61-79-list-digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 084



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID
FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID
FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID
FTE 61-79 - Cam specs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cam specs
FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
FTE 61-79 - carb linkage
Re: FTE 61-79 - carb linkage
FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem
FTE 61-79 - Road Trip
FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons
Re: FTE 61-79 - Road Trip
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C Internally or externally balanced?
FTE 61-79 - Re: oboy oboy oboy!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C Internally or externally balanced?
FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site
FTE 61-79 - RE: 360 teardown surprise! slipper skirt pistons in 360?
FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts
FTE 61-79 - 75-77 f250 4x4 crew cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical and Carb Problem
FTE 61-79 - re: 2v carb

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:46:48 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID

John Dolson writes: >>Are there any marks on the pistons that would help me
determine if they are for a 360, or 390? How about the connecting rods or
crank?

Look at the piston from the side where the wrist lock pin is. On the piston
will be "360" or "390" if it is stock, and on most there is either a "2" or a
"4" to indicate the carberator 2=2bbl and 4=4bbl.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:01:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID

Bill Hart writes: >>The pistons I took out of my 390 (76) had 410 cast into
them above the wrist pin ... weird, but its a 390.

You sure it is(was) a 390???? This has always been a tell-tell way of
determining what the FE really was in CU IN. I've even read this in some books
somewhere down the line. The factory where the FE's were assembled used pistons
from several manufacturers and built several variants of CU IN of the FE along
the same assy line and this was supposed to be one of the ways for the assy line
to ID the pistons.If you didn't check the crank and the stroke, I'd think you
had a 410.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:06:26 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem

>>>in the truck dim and brighten in perfect sych with the rpm of the
>>>engine. As
>you can imagine, it's real noticeable after dark. Once the rpm's are goosed
>up a little, then it's not noticeable anymore, I suspect because the engine
>is turning fast enough to keep things from dropping down. I've installed a
>new battery and rebuilt the alternator, to no avail. Does anyone have any
>idea what the problem might be and how to fix it?

It could be the voltage regulator not quite regulating very well ... that's
about all that's left. Also may check your idle, if its set too low this
problem will occur no matter what. Actually this problem will always occur
to some extent, but should be fairly controlled, as long as it stays runnin
you shouldn't have a problem, since if its idling you're probably not over
driving your head lights :)

Also be sure that the belt driving the alternator is not slipping. If it is
old and hard, replace it. If you put a volt meter on your battery while
your engine is running, you will be able to tell how much voltage is
dropping at idle. Voltage should be around 13.8 at any engine speed and
with any or all accessories operating.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:19:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Piston ID

At 08:01 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote:
>Bill Hart writes: >>The pistons I took out of my 390 (76) had 410 cast into
>them above the wrist pin ... weird, but its a 390.
>
>You sure it is(was) a 390????

Yup, took it to the shop as a 390, and the guy who ground the crank didn't
whine about it, measured the crank by hand too, it looked a lot closer to
3.75 than 4 inches ... We'll find out for sure when I get the crank and
pistons all together ...

>to ID the pistons.If you didn't check the crank and the stroke, I'd think you
>had a 410.
>
I wish I had a 410, and will be more than pleasantly surprised ... though
the guy doing the balancing had a tough time getting it all to balance
internally, actually couldn't and ended up using the harmonic and the
flywheel a little too ... hmmm.... darnet Azie you're supposed to say that
happened all the time so I don't have to worry about these things! :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:26:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cam specs

Okay guys, managed to actually write down my cam specs before I walked out
the door this morning. Its a 390 that I'm building for my truck, it
doesn't haul much, doesn't tow hardly ever, mostly its just a fun 4x4 for
the winter (odd for a full size long bed I suppose :)

Anyway here's what the cam has to say ... its a Melling ...

Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
Valve Lift .512 .538
SAE Duration 292/302
0.050 Duration 214/224
Lobe Centers 104/120


Anyone have any ideas how this will work ? It seemed a bit heavy to me,
but the engine builder swears by it, so I figure I'll give it a shot ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:03:21 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cam specs

Looks like a good cam, the adv duration numbers sound wild, but actually it
shouldnt be too radical. The .050 duration numbers are more accurate, and
thats really no a mild cam at all. Vacuum wont be too high with all the adv
duration, but it should run well anyway - Ross
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:14:00 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire easy
way to tell a 240 from a 300.
Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
John



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:23:56 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

I have the the front springs for my 65 2WD on order. Could someone step
me through the process of changing the front springs on a twin I-beam. I
am sure it is simple enough, but anything I should watch for? I put new
leafs in it 2 weeks ago...and does it ever lean forward now...figured I
better do the front as well...haha kinda'like the raked look...

Much appreciated!


Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 08:55:00 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

Well, you obviouslly don't know it or you would have answered it so whats
that make you if you can't answer a dumb question?
- -----Original Message-----
From: John R. Austin
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire
easy
>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John
>
>
>
>Our Savior Lutheran Church
>1101 Old Cleburne Road
>Granbury, TX 76048
>(817) 573-5011
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:35:09 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John

I'll go out on a limb with ya' and say it's about as easy to tell the
difference externally between a 360 and a 390! (grin)

I personally don't know of a sure-fire way, but welcome the chance to get a
big ole "DUH" slapped on my forehead!!! 8-)

Tony "Asthmatic 300 I-6 Lover" Marino
tony pscico.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:41:24 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs

Should be pretty easy, put a jack stand under the frame, and then take the
weight off of the axle with a floor jack. Unhook the shock and the top mount
of the spring, and drop the axle down until the spring is loose.

Back together is opposite, jack it up until you can bolt it in and put the
shock on, then ready to rumble....
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:47:08 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

At 09:35 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote:
>>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
>>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>>John
>
>I'll go out on a limb with ya' and say it's about as easy to tell the
>difference externally between a 360 and a 390! (grin)
>
The 360-390 difference is easy, its the old pull the sparkplug and mark a
dowel trick ... different strokes on em.

As for 240/300 ... no idea, the only 6's I've really worked on ... well I
haven't I guess .. a little on my sister's 3.8 V, but that's it, so I'm no
help.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 09:04:44 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

Damn, im sorry, I thought you where someone making fun of the guy who had
posted it originally, which was you. Sorry, I was trying to stick up for
you but it totally backfired, im the one with egg on my face now :)
- -----Original Message-----
From: John R. Austin
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:30 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire
easy
>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it mean
>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>John
>
>
>
>Our Savior Lutheran Church
>1101 Old Cleburne Road
>Granbury, TX 76048
>(817) 573-5011
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 09:54:28 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

I's so dumb I can't even answer that question.
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Draughn
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>Well, you obviouslly don't know it or you would have answered it so whats
>that make you if you can't answer a dumb question?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R. Austin
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:30 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
>
>
>>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire
>easy
>>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it
mean
>>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>Our Savior Lutheran Church
>>1101 Old Cleburne Road
>>Granbury, TX 76048
>>(817) 573-5011
>>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:00:40 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

You are forgiven, my son. Now, can you tell me how to tell the difference
between a 240 and a 300?
John
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Draughn
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?


>Damn, im sorry, I thought you where someone making fun of the guy who had
>posted it originally, which was you. Sorry, I was trying to stick up for
>you but it totally backfired, im the one with egg on my face now :)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John R. Austin
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 8:30 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?
>
>
>>I had posted a message a few days ago asking if there was any sure-fire
>easy
>>way to tell a 240 from a 300.
>>Does the lack of response mean there is no easy way to tell or does it
mean
>>that the question is so dumb that it doesn't deserve an answer?
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>Our Savior Lutheran Church
>>1101 Old Cleburne Road
>>Granbury, TX 76048
>>(817) 573-5011
>>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:36:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 or 300?

At 08:55 AM 3/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, you obviouslly don't know it or you would have answered it so whats
>that make you if you can't answer a dumb question?

No brutal flaming please.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:18:45 -0500
From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb linkage

Hey All,I'm fineally get around to a carb swap on my 360FE.My question
is:the 460 that the Holly 600 came off didn't have any linkage will the
linkage from my 2v w/manual choke work w/the 4v(I'm sure it will need a
little fine tuneing)As always thanks to all Mike Elmer

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:29:41 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - carb linkage

At 11:18 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote:
>Hey All,I'm fineally get around to a carb swap on my 360FE.My question
>is:the 460 that the Holly 600 came off didn't have any linkage will the
>linkage from my 2v w/manual choke work w/the 4v(I'm sure it will need a
>little fine tuneing)As always thanks to all Mike Elmer
>

When I put mine on (out of the box holley), all I had to do was put the
knob on the carb for the linkage to pop on to ... if yours came off of a
Ford, I'd expect things are pretty close to correct. My g.f.'s dad made me
a bushing to put in the large hole of the linkage so that I could get
reasonable pedal travel (it would have been extremely short, or extremely
long, depending which of the smaller holes I used)

That's what I found anyway.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:53:59 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem

>when the truck is running at idle the lights, as well as everything else
>electrical in the truck dim and brighten in perfect sych with the rpm of
the >engine. As you can imagine, it's real noticeable after dark.Once the
rpm's are >goosed up a little, then it's not noticeable anymore, I suspect
because the >engine is turning fast enough to keep things from dropping
down.I've installed >a new battery and rebuilt the alternator, to no avail.
Does anyone have any
>idea what the problem might be and how to fix it?

Check the voltage at the battery terminals when the truck is idling, it is
probably below 12 volts. If so it is 99% likely the voltage regulator is
dying. I had a similiar problem couple of months ago. A new solid state
regulator to replace the old electrical/mechanical one only cost $22.95 Cdn
that probably works out to about $2 US. :)

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2V

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 12:15:00 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical and Carb Problem

Sparky says"
>regulator to replace the old electrical/mechanical one only cost $22.95 Cdn
>that probably works out to about $2 US. :)


That is quite funny. last time I was in Canada that was our joke.
It seems everything converts to $2 US!!
-srw

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:08:50 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Road Trip

> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Road trip
>
> Colorado Jeff writes: >>78 West Birmingham to Memphis
> 63 North Memphis to Springfield, MO.
> I-44 West to 71 North to K.C.
> I-29 North K.C. to Omaha
> I-80 West to I-76 to Denver.
>
> I hoping there's one or two people on the list along the way....
>
> The old offer stands, I'll buy the breakfast, lunch, or dinner!
>
> Azie, where the heck is Ardmore?
>
> Unfortunately Ardmore is but a speck on the map. It is on the Tennessee
> Stateline 120 miles due north of B'ham just 2 miles East of I-65. If you change
> your mind and come north let me know.
>
> I hope you know that from Jonesboro, Ak. To Harrison, Ak. you are in for a very
> hilly/curvy road. It ain't good for traveling. Some of the most beautiful
> scenery in the world, but not a good road to make good time on. I've travelled
> it many times, as I go to Branson, Mo. at least once a year.
>
> I'll buy if you change your mind.


You'd be better off to go up I-55 from Memphis and get on US-60 west at
Sikeston, MO. It's plenty scenic, but nice roads, especially past
Poplar Bluff, MO. 60 will take you to Springfield, MO.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 16:33:18 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons

> I ran into something unexpected today when I was tearing down my 360. It
> has slipper skirt pistons, although I 've been told that 360s only used
> full skirt pistons. This makes me wonder, is it a 360 or a 390? I don't
> believe this engine has ever been apart before. the I.D. tag was correct
> for the truck it came out of, it had stamped steel head gaskets, all
> original style bolts and fasteners, and what looked like 30 years of road
> grime. The engine is a 1972 model.
>
> Are there any marks on the pistons that would help me determine if they
> are for a 360, or 390? How about the connecting rods or crank?
>
> Any help or ideas will be appreciated,


I've seen them in 360's too. Ford used a flat-top 390 piston in some
360's, but they don't come up as high in the bore to the tune of .080
below the normal deck clearance of a 390 about .020 or .022. The 360
rod is longer by .060 in. or it would be .140 + the normal clearance.
You lose close to 2 points in compression, and it doesn't burn as
efficiently as the 390.

The TRW flat-top L2291-A (360) is just like the L2291-F (390) except
that the L2291-A uses a heavier and impossible to find pin. Otherwise
they're identical. If you have these in yours you'll see the L2291-A
stamped on them. I've heard that Ford used the TRW forged L2291-A in
some heavy-duty application 360's stock.

If you look in the Mac's catalog, you'll see the same piston listed for
both.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:48:16 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Road Trip

I dont care how you get here baby, just get here!!!! As much as I like the
looks of this 428, I sure would like to have it in your garage


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:28:24 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C Internally or externally balanced?

Rollie,

Thanks for the info. I've found a nice flywheel for a Clevland and he
specifically said externally balanced and my pea brain got to wondering
about that. I have a 351C in a '70 Torino which is my next big project
after I finish my 410.

Thanks again,

- -Ted

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rollie H Hunt
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C Internally or externally balanced?


>Ted, I am currently rebuilding a 351 C and it is externally balanced .
>There are counter wieghts on the flywheel and there is a heavy side cast
>into the harmonic balancer.
>My engine has a 1971 cast date and reads 1L1 ( December 1 , 1971 ) , so I
>dont know about the later years of this engine ( 71 - 74 ) .
>I hope this helps .
>R . H . Hunt
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 17:49:33 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: oboy oboy oboy!

From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboyohboy

(snip)

Next came the fun part. I dont care what anyone says about these trucks
bein
big. The 460/C6 combo is still a squeeze fit. It too me and a good buddy 3
hours to get that dirty SOB to line up. But after that it went ok.

(snip)

That's the fun part for sure. When I put the 429/C-6 into my '75 4X4, there
were three of us in the engine hole hugging the engine, two underneath
swinging the end of the transmission around, one guy working the crane and
one more guy standing there telling us it will never go in. My theory is
that Ford didn't reinvent anything for their trucks in the sixties and
seventies and as long as you stick to Ford parts, it will probably fit
together.

Jacques, Bend, Ore



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 20:56:35 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C Internally or externally balanced?

Ted, I see you have a flywheel. But if you are in doubt about which
balancer to use , the numbers on mine are : 6316B2A (hard to read) may be
631682A) and D2AE . I have two clevelands , one in my 72 Torino and
the other I am building to replace it ( it is tired and ready for some
rest and rebuilding also) .
I would help you out with your balancer , but, I need both of mine
because I plan to put one in my 76 F-100 truck . If I find a balancer
I'll let you know .

R.H.Hunt , King , N.C.


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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:01:46 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?

Dear Friends,
I have an extra 460 block that i would like to rebuild for gas mileage. Is
this possible? If i could get 14 mpg, it would be great. I am putting it in a
78 F-150 4x4. It has a c-6 trans, with a 3.50 axle. I use this truck as a
daily driver and deer hunting. No rocks around here, just mud. Any rebuild
recipe would be appreciated. I have some money to put into this project. Would
fuel injection help. Let me know. Thanks, Boon
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:20:02 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:16:09 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 360 teardown surprise! slipper skirt pistons in 360?

John:

It's a 390 if it has the slipper skirts. My pistons had "390" cast into
them too. Look for a "2U" on the crank somewhere too. This indicates 390.

Happy to be you today!!!

Later,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


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>has slipper skirt pistons, although I 've been told that 360s only used
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:30:22 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts

Stu!!!

>All right boys and girls, time to play "Let's spend more of Stu's money"
>on the FTE list!

Pay my student loans bro!!

>A Melling high volume oil pump has been purchased and will be installed and

When I did mine, the stock Melling came recommended over the high-volume. I guess the HV is too much for a street motor.

>Anyone have ideas on clutch brands,
>timing gear brands/types and other miscellaneous parts I will need? What
>am I forgetting??? Suggestions with your
>reason why please.

Cloyes Tru-Roller double roller chain and gears. The Street True is cheaper, but they don't make one for the FE.

Why? Because it's in mine, and it came Sleddog recommended!!

Are you getting new rockers and shafts?? My machinist wouldn't install remans--only new. $100 per side, complete!!

Have fun man!!

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:31:14 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75-77 f250 4x4 crew cab

i looked at a 75-77 f250 crew cab today, i'm still not sure what year, had a
fe in it,
with a fourspeed, it was cheap but rough, the old lady said; naw we aint tryin
to sell it, my son won't sell nuttin, but if you wont it i'll sell it to you,
i been after him to git it out of here. she said it runs. but, there was a
valve cover and rocker arms laying in the front seat, i'm not sure if it was
off that truck or not, the hood latch was broke. she said 1200.00 for it, but
i'm afraid if she did sell it to someone the son might go bezerk and shoot
anybody trying to leave with it. if anyone is interested in it, i'll tell you
where its at, but i don't have a phone # for it, also if anyone is interested
in a 65-66 f250 4x4, i'll tell you where its at also, i may have that number.
both trucks are in northern georgia.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:32:42 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: timing gear and other misc. parts

>>All right boys and girls, time to play "Let's spend more of Stu's money"
>>on the FTE list!
>
>Pay my student loans bro!!

Drew,

I finally got mine paid off 2 years ago!!! Yikes!!! I have 3 babies all
within 33 months of age, I am saving for their college now. Sorry, can't
afford to do yours too. Do you dance for money?? heheheheheh
[inside joke!! Sorry, I could not resist, Drew] hahahaha I am trying to
figure out how I can get my short block on the kitchen counter without
scratching it up and making SWMBO madder than a wet March hen. The heads
and other parts I think I can manage to get in the kitchen OK. hehehehehe :^)

>>>A Melling high volume oil pump has been purchased and will be installed and
>
>When I did mine, the stock Melling came recommended over the high-volume.
I guess the HV is too much for a street motor.

I stand corrected, I just got off the phone with the engine builder at 9:00
pm tonight and apparently I misunderstood him. He bought a stock Melling
pump!!! NOT A HIGH VOLUME PUMP!!!! He told me some horror stories about
High vol. pumps in stock engines and even racing engines too! After all
you fellers been saying about them I am glad he did me right.

>>Anyone have ideas other miscellaneous parts I will need? What
>>am I forgetting??? Suggestions with your
>>reason why please.
>
>Cloyes Tru-Roller double roller chain and gears. The Street True is
cheaper, but they don't make one for the FE.
>
>Why? Because it's in mine, and it came Sleddog recommended!!

Which book?? Was it Second Sleddog Chapter 71 verses 360-428 hehehehe
I will take it under advisement!! Thanks for the tip.

>Are you getting new rockers and shafts?? My machinist wouldn't install
remans--only new. $100 per side, complete!!
>
Not to my knowledge if he can reuse the old ones. He said the heads came
out nice and everything appears to be in tip top shape. he checked them
over before working on them.

>Have fun man!!

I will have a ball doing this. I will be a little sad when this project is
99% completed ( I am sure it will never be done). I am going to have to
find a hobby or something to fill the void. Anyway, My builder will be
ready Monday the 15th as promised so I am preparing the shop for my newborn
baby FE. Assembly time next week! Will keep everyone posted on my first
long block assembly!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu (managed by Tony Marino, give him a round of
applause!!
>
>Drew Beatty
>dcbeatty rmi.net
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 00:24:55 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - repost:460 rebuild for mileage?

In a message dated 3/10/99 6:18:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, Boon40 aol.com
writes:


I have an extra 460 block that i would like to rebuild for gas mileage.
Is
this possible? If i could get 14 mpg, it would be great. I am putting it in a
78 F-150 4x4. It has a c-6 trans, with a 3.50 axle. I use this truck as a
daily driver and deer hunting. No rocks around here, just mud. Any rebuild
recipe would be appreciated. I have some money to put into this project.
Would
fuel injection help. Let me know. Thanks, Boon >>

I can not resist a couple of words. Yes, fuel injection will help. However,
you have just moved into the "big buck" arena and I am not talking deer. Most
of the things you do to get more power usually gives you better mileage, with
maybe the exception of high flow carburetors. I am talking about higher
compression, headers, mild cam, good ignition, synthetic oil. But all of this
aside, as a daily driver you probably do a lot of stop and go driving, this is
where the gas gets sucked up. It takes a lot of gas to get 2 and half tons
moving no matter how you slice it. Installing fuel-injection with an exhaust
feed back to a computer may give you 14 MPG, maybe a little more, on road
trips where you removed your tail gate. Chances are though your overall
average will still be 12-13MPG (this can be an improvement if you are getting
10 now). If you have read some of the recent (this last year's) Hot Rod and
Hot Rodding Mags you have seen 3 stories on the Fueling Heads using fast burn
technology that gives tremendous torque at relatively low RPM. 2 stories have
dealt with Chevy 454s and one article about 460s, all of them impressive.
Note, when describing Chevys they are stories but with Fords they are
articles. I have been looking into these heads, would still like to get them
but the over $4000 price tag has me handi capped (I would be handi capped at
half the price). Fueling has a web site (just search fueling), where they
show the Chevy heads and discuss their price, they show a 460 painted blue
with these heads, and they have the Ford heads, but right now you have to e-
mail them and inquire (also good technical info here). Of course I would love
to see someone lead the way and spend their money working out all of the
details to get these installed and working properly. So, unless you are
feeling really energetic and froggy with no handi caps, I would not recommend
going with this approach. But, it is fun to dream. I do think they would get
the best mileage for a daily driver or a tow vehicle. I am lead to believe
15-18 MPG is possible.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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