61-79-list-digest Sunday, March 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 079



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - re: FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance
FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE Shorty Headers in 4x4's
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance / engine paint color
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P
Re: FTE 61-79 - url
FTE 61-79 - carrier bearing/trans. end shaft
FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE was 79 upgrades - now 302/FE valve covers
FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
FTE 61-79 - Buried Treasure
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - Engine swap (351 cleveland)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - 410 crank
FTE 61-79 - 410 crank
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank
FTE 61-79 - Autolite 4100
FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!!
FTE 61-79 - camper lights
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!!
FTE 61-79 - Parts for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!!
FTE 61-79 - flexplate?

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:26:09 +0100
From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: FE

FE stands for Ford / Edsel, the car line it started it's life in.

Tommy


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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:53:55 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance

Well from what he's told me it's $200 to balance the crank and $50 to add
heavy metal to make it an internally balanced crank. So far I've been happy
with his work. He does almost exclusivly racing engines and does some
street stuff on the side if he gets referenced. At the moment I feel as if
I have lucked out on this find.

Later,

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:41 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance


>> knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did
not
>> know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360
>> balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying
about
>> any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra
$50.
>> Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it
wouldn't
>> be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as far
as
>> I know.
>
>
>He's going to balance your externally balanced crank for $50? Where is
>this guy? You need to be his friend for sure!
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 08:06:19 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right

> Now that is with a 351W, if I where to get a crank and make it into 427,
> would that help with torque/horsepower alot? 466lbs or torque at 7500 rpm
> sounds pretty damn nice, and if it where a 427 it seems to me that it would
> do over 500 lbs or torque, and somewheres around 700 HP, ALL IN A SMALL
> BLOCK!!! But am I missing something here? I know I would end up spending
> thousands upon thousands of dollers for this. Would 13:8 to 1 comp run on
> prem pump gas? Or does it take alcohol or something?


What you're talking about here is not a streetable combination. Look at
the rpm level. There's no gas in the world that would support that kind
od compression under the varied load conditions of street driving. You
are spending alot of money to do something that an FE or a 429-460 can
do better in a much more realistic and cheaper combination. Not 700
hp(having that much horsepower on the street is akin to stuffing a tube
sock down the front of your pants before going out, it's for vanity's
sake only), but the 500 lbs ft is a STOCK value and it's not at an rpm
level you never use more than once a week after a couple cold
refreshments. We are talking about a truck here right? Space and
weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is. IMHO a
well built FE or a 429-460 is a much better choice. Spend your money on
a set of ladder bars to hook it up, and a set of big disc brakes to stop
it. Then you've got a combination that will work, and be much more
flexible.
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:53:55 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance

Well from what he's told me it's $200 to balance the crank and $50 to add
heavy metal to make it an internally balanced crank. So far I've been happy
with his work. He does almost exclusivly racing engines and does some
street stuff on the side if he gets referenced. At the moment I feel as if
I have lucked out on this find.

Later,

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:41 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance


>> knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did
not
>> know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360
>> balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying
about
>> any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra
$50.
>> Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it
wouldn't
>> be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as far
as
>> I know.
>
>
>He's going to balance your externally balanced crank for $50? Where is
>this guy? You need to be his friend for sure!
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:04:59 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE Shorty Headers in 4x4's

>>If no one else wants to I would be happy to.
>>
>No problem I'll try and give him a call this weekend and see if the galaxie
>headers fit. A group purchase might be a great idea ... I know several
>people have asked me about those headers ...
>
>Stu, whaddya think ? You in ?

Well William, I am using the stock exhaust manifolds - no comments here
Jim E. ;)
The next hot rod truck, I will be game though, It may be a few years........


Sorry buddyrow. :^(

Stu
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Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:20:33 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right

> Space and weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is.
> We are talking about a truck here right?
YES and NO!
It is for my Van right now, maybe if you had bothered to read it carefully
you would have read what I put.
My plans are to eventually put it into maybe a old Ford Mustang.

You would have been alot more help to explain some of my questions instead
of try to kill my idea.

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:34:59 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance

Sounds a little high, around here going price is 125 for a balance, plus
extras we talked about. BUT I am a firm believer in paying for trust, so I'd
spend the 250 if I were you. Go for it, it sounds good! - Ross
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:44:47 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right

The 427 stroker is a nice piece, I think the unassembled complete short block
is in the 3000 range from PAW. Its a great piece for the street, but to
comvert a junkyard one it can get expensive. The crank is a modified 400 I
believe, or an offset ground 351, not sure, but it takes a lot of work both on
the crank and the block to make the room for the throw. Plus of course there
are different rods and pistons so they dont hit the head. In a van with
limited room, its the way to go, but in a car with room, a real big block will
have benefits of larger valve sizes as well as making the displacement using
big bore / med stroke. The stroker small block is a LONG stroke, not too big
of a bore. This can shroud valves losing upper end on a race motor, but the
added stroke would be super for a van, maybe even better than a real 427.

My opinion would be go for it, if you want to spend the money, if not, find a
460 3/4 ton van and buy what you need to do a swap. Either way you get the
torque, and the 351 later will definitely be easier to put in a stang, the
460's fit, but not without some cutting.

Good luck, but it aint going to be cheap no matter which way you go. By the
way, I runa real 427, but you'd surely blow a LOT more money with that route,
and with FE motors not coming in vans, exhaust and brackets would be a pain.
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:10:45 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance / engine paint color

At 10:34 AM 3/6/99 EST, you wrote:
>Sounds a little high, around here going price is 125 for a balance, plus
>extras we talked about. BUT I am a firm believer in paying for trust, so I'd
>spend the 250 if I were you. Go for it, it sounds good! - Ross

I have $175 in my internal balance job from my builder on my bone stock 360.
As of yesterday, I decided to spring for the forged (instead of cast as
origianlly planned)
.030 over Silv O lite pistons. I pick my engine up Monday the 15th of March!!
It will be ready as planned.

BTW- For all who want to know, I talked to a guy last night fom Michigan
who works as a parts
man somewhere at Ford in the Big House, he told me all FE engines from 66
thru 72 had the dark Corporate blue engine paint. So, Dark Ford Blue it is.

Stu
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:24:50 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: [none]

How about a quick and fool-proof way to tell the difference between a 240
and a 300? 2 years ago I paid to have my old worn-out 240 replaced with a
rebuilt 300. Paid extra core charge and all. Yesterday a mechanic told me
that he was pretty sure that what I have is a 240.
Thanks,
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:32:29 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question

Phil,
Thanks. I'm pretty confused now about what the original actually looked
like. Some folks on the list think mine may have been modified so I will
check it out. I'll keep your message and let you know if I need some of your
parts.
Thanks,
John
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From: Phil
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question


>>>
>>>Does anyone happen to know what the know on the driver's side vent
control
>>>for a '67 F100 looks like? I can't seem to find it listed in any of the
>>>various catalogs.
>>>Thanks,
>>>John>
>
>
>John, if you cant seem to find one anywhere, I have the vent on my 69 parts
>truck that is in good shape. Not sure what it is worth but would be willing
>to sell it. Let me know.
>
>Phil Beattie
>66 F100 390 C6
>66 F100 (no drivetrain)
>79 F250 4x4 400
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:10:45 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P

Don't know what an S-P-2P is but the only manifolds I've seen listed from
Edelbrock for the 400 in the past 6 years are the non EGR and EGR
Performers.

- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:11 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P


>
>I'm pretty sure Ebelbroke made an S-P-2P for the M block too. It's been
>a while though. They weren't much for performance, the design was made
>as a high velocity economy emmissions-legal application. They usually
>had shot off their rockets by 4500rpms, but did allow the use of a 4
>bbl. The Performer is much better.



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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:15:24 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - url

URL stands for Uniform Resource Locator and refers to the address of
the location on the internet. It is expressed as a number such as
208.81.133.01 (ficticious one). We humans use the the English
equivalent such as www.Fordtrucks.com.

Tim Bowman
71 F100
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:47:21 -0500
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carrier bearing/trans. end shaft

now that I have to swap end shafts on my c-6, I got to thinking about
putting in a carrier bearing, and driveshaft. my F-250 4x4 custom has a
one piece driveshaft. how much hassle is this going to be? it dosent seem
to hard to do, just keeping everything lined up, and hang the bearing. I
have the tools and welders to do the job.

can anyone explain the process.

mc baker
pmbaker your-net.com




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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:02:42 PST
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap

I have a 74 ford 4x4 360 4spd, also have a 460 in a mercury. Question is
will the 460 set down on the 360 frame mounts or do I need to do some
parts scrounging

Barry Mitchell
Kansas

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:35:33 EST
From: PARK39 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes

I have a '64 F-250 and would like to change the front brakes to disc brakes.
Am planning to add power brake booster and proportioning valve. I want to
keep the truck as a 3/4 ton. Does anyone know if I can fit a later model
F-250 (or equivelent) disc brakes on my truck. The '64 is the year before
the Twin I-beam came out.

Thanks, Park
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:00:59 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right

William L. Ballinger wrote:
>
> > Now that is with a 351W, if I where to get a crank and make it into 427,
> > would that help with torque/horsepower alot? 466lbs or torque at 7500 rpm
> > sounds pretty damn nice, and if it where a 427 it seems to me that it would
> > do over 500 lbs or torque, and somewheres around 700 HP, ALL IN A SMALL
> > BLOCK!!! But am I missing something here? I know I would end up spending
> > thousands upon thousands of dollers for this. Would 13:8 to 1 comp run on
> > prem pump gas? Or does it take alcohol or something?
>
> What you're talking about here is not a streetable combination. Look at
> the rpm level. There's no gas in the world that would support that kind
> od compression under the varied load conditions of street driving. You
> are spending alot of money to do something that an FE or a 429-460 can
> do better in a much more realistic and cheaper combination. Not 700
> hp(having that much horsepower on the street is akin to stuffing a tube
> sock down the front of your pants before going out, it's for vanity's
> sake only), but the 500 lbs ft is a STOCK value and it's not at an rpm
> level you never use more than once a week after a couple cold
> refreshments. We are talking about a truck here right? Space and
> weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is. IMHO a
> well built FE or a 429-460 is a much better choice. Spend your money on
> a set of ladder bars to hook it up, and a set of big disc brakes to stop
> it. Then you've got a combination that will work, and be much more
> flexible.
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If you want ta truck that hadles though you have to stick with a small
block...unless you chasing your tail like a happy little puppy. I am
running 14 with my basically stock Lightning(have exhaust, coil, wires
stuff like that but no major mods) and i can out handle any car I have
some across, sure the big block up front would be awesome but then when
you get to the turn they will pass you back!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:46:02 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE was 79 upgrades - now 302/FE valve covers

L7514 aol.com wrote:
>
> Just a couple of questions. Maybe Im stupid, or maybe they need to have a
> list of abbreviated terms around here somewhere. But what does URL and FE
> mean? I keep seeing these & a few others, but never heard them anywhere else.
> Thanks for the expl., Lance
> 74F100 custom 2x2 I-300
> 76F100 custom 2x2 302
> 79F100 ranger 2x2 302
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URL in its literal meaning is short for Uniform Resource Locator. FE I assume stands for Ford Engine, anybody?

Ted

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:58:31 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

OK,I read the rest of my mail,

Ted

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:16:39 -0800
From: "Brzezinski, Jeff"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Buried Treasure

I stripped an old peace-sign sticker off my horn-ring button, and cleaned
off a ton of dirt and there was the original Gear & Thunderbolt emblem
staring me in the face! Yippee! It needs a new nylon spacer, but again, I
couldn't be happier.

I'm not going to do a body-off restoration. This is my
finish-moving/yard-work/go-to-home-depot truck. but I AM going to make it as
perfect as I can, and still work it.

This morning my better-mechanic-than-me buddy and I adjusted all 4 brakes,
replaced the leaky fuel-pump on the 292, and replaced that drag-link. What a
difference! Did I say I was thinking about a power-train upgrade? I deny it!
My truck now runs like a finely-tuned tank and I love it!

I have new little photos of the uncovered wheel and dash now, If anyone
wants to see. I can be reached on weekends at freethinker earthlink.net I
subscribe to the group at work.

Jeff
1963 F-250 Utility
Riverside, CA
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:21:11 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap

Barry,

A company called Ultra Flow makes a conversion kit to go to the 460
from the FE. The kit is either bolt in or weld in. I think it
replaces the whole engine mount towers. They run about a hundred
bucks. A company here in Denver called Blue Oval Performance
engineering deals in all Ford stuff they can get these. Their phone #
is 303-762-8298.

JT


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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:29:36 EST
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap (351 cleveland)

I have a 76 F-100 Explorer , it came out with a 360 but now has a 391 FT
with 428 cubic inches . Did I say too much engine for me ? I want to
install a 351 cleveland with a C-4 , ( Both of 1972 vintage ) . Anyone
have information on the type of engine mounts , exhaust manifolds, oil
pan , oil sump and or other aspects of this swap ? Any help will be
appriciated !

R.H.Hunt


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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:33:25 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap

In a message dated 3/6/99 11:10:36 AM Pacific Standard Time,
fishin4bass hotmail.com writes:


will the 460 set down on the 360 frame mounts or do I need to do some
parts scrounging

Barry Mitchell
Kansas >>

There is not a simple answer for this one. If you do not mind the
transmission mount being off about an inch on the cross member, and you can
readily move the cross member the answer is no. However, L&L Products makes
new towers and rubber mounts that will keep the transmission cross member in
line, around $215. But, if you just get the rubber mounts ($115) and use them
on your existing towers and deal the tranny cross member, you probably can
save a few dollars. And in a pinch and what I have done in years gone by is
to use the FE mounts, 2 holes line up on the 460 block, drill a hole in the
original mount for a 3rd and use 3 bolts instead of 4 to connect to the
engine. (Not a preferred method, but worked for me) Hooker sells new towers
but you have to find all of the Ford stock mounts and stuff for a say a 78
truck, this would have cost about $250 or more by the time I got all the Ford
parts new. My current truck conversion uses the L&L tower and mount combo. I
like the idea of complete engineering. Chances are the Mercury has a large
alternator. This will not fit in its current location on the 460 in your 74
4x4(it has to be raised to clear the frame). You will have to modify and or
build a new alternator bracket, or buy one for this conversion from L&L ($128
a bit spendy, I use it). But, perhaps the best bet might be a mount kit in
the fall 1998 PAW catalog page 1095 that claims to make a correct conversion
without changing towers and contains all of the parts you will need for only
$109. Maybe some one on the list can comment on this kit. It can become a
real brain bender without some tips. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:47:39 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank

Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to
sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50
I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot
Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to
thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for
it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody?
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:47:39 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank

Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to
sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50
I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot
Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to
thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for
it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody?
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:08:54 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank

Ummm...my cost to get it balanced was $200 and an extra $50 to have it
converted to be internally balanced. Sorry for the confusion if I didn't
mention that. Still not a bad price for the extra POP in the throttle IMHO.

- -Ted
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From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank


>Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to
>sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50
>I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot
>Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to
>thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for
>it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody?
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:17:22 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Autolite 4100

I think somebody was looking for these a couple of days ago. This ad was in Hemmings Motor News:
Autolite 4100 4v carburetors, most big block applications, $75; 1963 427 Holley carburetor , $140. Crossroads, 573-584-9718 MO

Snowbound Ted

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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:37:47 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!!

Allright, I did finally figure it out, I have a bad or broken ring on #7,
So I figure im going to do a true rebuild this time (not just new bearings
and re-done heads). Anyways, heres what I have decided on, and what I have
questions about.

1. Cam - What kind should I use, when i took out my old one to look at it,
it was pretty worn, but i stuck it back in there anyways. I want the cam
to be good a daily driver, towing & offroad. What grind should I go with?
I was thinking about a around a 260 durration RV cam, but just read a post
talking against an RV cam, so what?

2. Pistons - Im going to get it bored .030 over, what kinda piston should
i go with? I was looking at some keith black and they wernt too bad of a
price considering.. $32.99 ea. (Jegs) 11.8 with 76cc head, and 10.2 with
91cc head. What size head do I have, its D VE-A2A (thats what it looks
like in the dark, i just know that they are dove heads, :)
So Whats the specs on these heads, and what can i expect with these
pistons. Any other pistions that are GOOD, and at a descent price.

3. Intake - Im going with a another intake, period. How about a Edlebrock
performer, to go with my edlebrock carb allready on there? (Jegs again)
$162.99. A friend was trying to convince me to go with a tunnelport dual
carb intake, but that just sound ridiculous, kinda neat though, showing off
that engine to ppl.. hehe.

4. Rings - i just know what they do, what kind should I use?

5. Timing chain - i just bought a timing chain when i re-did the bearing
and such, that friend (again) tells me i should get a double-roller chain,
just sounds like more cash to me.

Anything else I should know about before I start to tackle this project?
Just flat out, I want this to be the last time I have to take the dang oil
pan off that engine, I want this done right, so... Since its going to cost
me a quite a bit, but i'll have one heck of a 460 for what I do.

Thanx for all the help you've allready given!

Cannandale (Dayton Boyd) Ramsey, IN
'78 F250 4x4, 460



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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:49:06 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - camper lights

I have an 8' slide in camper that has a 12 volt lighting system.
Since the camper is longer than the truck bed, it also has tail lights
mounted on the camper. For power i ran a #14 wire directly from the
positive terminal on the battery to the rear of the truck, by
ty-wrapping it to the harness that goes to the tail lights. I put an
in-line fuse holder a few inches from the battery connection with a
20 amp fuse. I like the "slide in" type of fuses because they seem to
be a little less prone to corrosion than the glass ones.
At the back of the truck i use a tractor- trailer type connector. its a
bit expensive at first, but the one i am using is 12 years old and is on
its 3rd truck now, so i think it is a good value. It can be mounted in
place of one of the licence plate lights on a step type bumper. The
wiring splices for the tail lights were made with solder and heat
shrink tubing. I have'nt had great luck with crimp on connectors after a
few salty winters here.
For light fixtures, check out places that sell stuff for transport
trucks and trailers. I found the stuff at RV dealers is usually poorer
quality and much more expensive.


While we are on the subject of campers, does anyone else here have an
overhead camper? My 4x4 is quite a bit higher than my other truck is. My
camper has 3 jacks to lift it so i can back under it. The only way I
can get it high enough to fit the 4x4 is to put blocks under the legs
and let the air out of the truck tires. Does anyone know of a safer way
to do this? I need about 8-10 inches of extra lift on my jacks.

Thanks!
70 F-250 4X4
85 F-150 SC

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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:53:14 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: [none]

suspend 61-79-list TheFORDMAN webtv.net

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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:19:15 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right

some people want a big punch out of a small package. you have to admit, 427
cubic inches out of a small block is cool. wish i could afford to do it.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:45:49 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!!

In a message dated 3/6/99 7:40:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cannandale netpointe.com writes:


So I figure im going to do a true rebuild this time (not just new bearings
and re-done heads). Anyways, heres what I have decided on, and what I have
questions about.
>>
Just some thoughts on this subject. First if there is an A2A on the head it
is likely a D3VE-A2A, which has 91 cc combustion chambers. Those KB pistons
are excellent, however the 10.2 compression is right on the edge of being too
high for cast iron heads on pump gas. Especially if you are going to make the
truck work (pull sustained loads). Aluminum heads will work at that ratio on
pump gas, they resist knocking better due to their enhanced cooling
characteristics of the combustion chamber. The cam probably should be
factored on some mean RPM of the engine, which is a result of your final gear
ratio. If you have a ratio of 4.11:1 or lower (meaning bigger numbers) I
think something like a 268 or a 270 cam would work nice. You seem to be
leaning toward the Edelbrock Performer manifold, you know they make a matched
cam to go with that manifold, I know one person who is successfully using that
combo. He keeps smoking his tires. I think his cam is closer to stock than a
268. When you get into cams some brands are rated .050 open on the valve,
this does not allow a very good paper comparison of a cam rated on the seat.
The piston you are talking about is the KB137 Flat Top. I recommend going to
the KB206 with a 15cc dish, it will give you a 9.2:1 compression with the 91cc
heads. That will give you a safe reliable all around engine with a lot of go
(still probably have to use 92 octane). An enhancement you might try, is
using the Comp Cams variable duration lifters, similar to Rhoads lifters, but
without the noise. This will enhance low RPM torque providing you are using a
268 or higher cam. If you want that high compression you will have to spend
big bucks to get the components ie aluminum heads, special cam, in the cab
timing control, or a lot of octane boost to keep it from burning a hole in
your KB pistons. Getting a good quality timing chain is worth it, these
things stretch rapidly, when you tear the engine down you will not want to
believe how much it has loosened up in just a few miles. If you are just
starting down this road, then I am sure you will have many more questions.
There are many other combinations I have not touched on, hopefully some of
list members will give you some more thoughts.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:35:44 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts for sale

I came across these on another list:

>70's Ford Pickup Dash with wood grain (2) and a Heater/Fan/Air
>conditioner/Fuel switch. These don't need to be sold together.

>Miscellaneous Heater/Air conditioner parts for a 70's Ford Pickup. >These don't need to be sold together.

Contact "Kent Radford" for more info. He's locate
in the Souix City Iowa area.

Tim Bowman
71 F100

PS: I experienced the 2nd happiest day in a boat owner's life today.
Now I can focus on my FOMOCO's.
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