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61-79-list-digest Sunday, March 7 1999 Volume 03 : Number 079 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - re: FE Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE Shorty Headers in 4x4's Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance / engine paint color [none] Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question Re: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P Re: FTE 61-79 - url FTE 61-79 - carrier bearing/trans. end shaft FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE was 79 upgrades - now 302/FE valve covers FTE 61-79 - (no subject) FTE 61-79 - Buried Treasure Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap FTE 61-79 - Engine swap (351 cleveland) Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap FTE 61-79 - 410 crank FTE 61-79 - 410 crank Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank FTE 61-79 - Autolite 4100 FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!! FTE 61-79 - camper lights [none] Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!! FTE 61-79 - Parts for sale Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!! FTE 61-79 - flexplate? ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:26:09 +0100 From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: FE FE stands for Ford / Edsel, the car line it started it's life in. Tommy == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:53:55 -0500 From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance Well from what he's told me it's $200 to balance the crank and $50 to add heavy metal to make it an internally balanced crank. So far I've been happy with his work. He does almost exclusivly racing engines and does some street stuff on the side if he gets referenced. At the moment I feel as if I have lucked out on this find. Later, - -Ted - -----Original Message----- From: William L. Ballinger To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance >> knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did not >> know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360 >> balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying about >> any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra $50. >> Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it wouldn't >> be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as far as >> I know. > > >He's going to balance your externally balanced crank for $50? Where is >this guy? You need to be his friend for sure! >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 08:06:19 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right > Now that is with a 351W, if I where to get a crank and make it into 427, > would that help with torque/horsepower alot? 466lbs or torque at 7500 rpm > sounds pretty damn nice, and if it where a 427 it seems to me that it would > do over 500 lbs or torque, and somewheres around 700 HP, ALL IN A SMALL > BLOCK!!! But am I missing something here? I know I would end up spending > thousands upon thousands of dollers for this. Would 13:8 to 1 comp run on > prem pump gas? Or does it take alcohol or something? What you're talking about here is not a streetable combination. Look at the rpm level. There's no gas in the world that would support that kind od compression under the varied load conditions of street driving. You are spending alot of money to do something that an FE or a 429-460 can do better in a much more realistic and cheaper combination. Not 700 hp(having that much horsepower on the street is akin to stuffing a tube sock down the front of your pants before going out, it's for vanity's sake only), but the 500 lbs ft is a STOCK value and it's not at an rpm level you never use more than once a week after a couple cold refreshments. We are talking about a truck here right? Space and weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is. IMHO a well built FE or a 429-460 is a much better choice. Spend your money on a set of ladder bars to hook it up, and a set of big disc brakes to stop it. Then you've got a combination that will work, and be much more flexible. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 08:53:55 -0500 From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance Well from what he's told me it's $200 to balance the crank and $50 to add heavy metal to make it an internally balanced crank. So far I've been happy with his work. He does almost exclusivly racing engines and does some street stuff on the side if he gets referenced. At the moment I feel as if I have lucked out on this find. Later, - -Ted - -----Original Message----- From: William L. Ballinger To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance >> knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did not >> know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360 >> balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying about >> any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra $50. >> Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it wouldn't >> be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as far as >> I know. > > >He's going to balance your externally balanced crank for $50? Where is >this guy? You need to be his friend for sure! >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 09:04:59 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE Shorty Headers in 4x4's >>If no one else wants to I would be happy to. >> >No problem I'll try and give him a call this weekend and see if the galaxie >headers fit. A group purchase might be a great idea ... I know several >people have asked me about those headers ... > >Stu, whaddya think ? You in ? Well William, I am using the stock exhaust manifolds - no comments here Jim E. ;) The next hot rod truck, I will be game though, It may be a few years........ Sorry buddyrow. :^( Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:20:33 -0700 From: "James Draughn" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right > Space and weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is. > We are talking about a truck here right? YES and NO! It is for my Van right now, maybe if you had bothered to read it carefully you would have read what I put. My plans are to eventually put it into maybe a old Ford Mustang. You would have been alot more help to explain some of my questions instead of try to kill my idea. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:34:59 EST From: My427Stang aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance Sounds a little high, around here going price is 125 for a balance, plus extras we talked about. BUT I am a firm believer in paying for trust, so I'd spend the 250 if I were you. Go for it, it sounds good! - Ross == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:44:47 EST From: My427Stang aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right The 427 stroker is a nice piece, I think the unassembled complete short block is in the 3000 range from PAW. Its a great piece for the street, but to comvert a junkyard one it can get expensive. The crank is a modified 400 I believe, or an offset ground 351, not sure, but it takes a lot of work both on the crank and the block to make the room for the throw. Plus of course there are different rods and pistons so they dont hit the head. In a van with limited room, its the way to go, but in a car with room, a real big block will have benefits of larger valve sizes as well as making the displacement using big bore / med stroke. The stroker small block is a LONG stroke, not too big of a bore. This can shroud valves losing upper end on a race motor, but the added stroke would be super for a van, maybe even better than a real 427. My opinion would be go for it, if you want to spend the money, if not, find a 460 3/4 ton van and buy what you need to do a swap. Either way you get the torque, and the 351 later will definitely be easier to put in a stang, the 460's fit, but not without some cutting. Good luck, but it aint going to be cheap no matter which way you go. By the way, I runa real 427, but you'd surely blow a LOT more money with that route, and with FE motors not coming in vans, exhaust and brackets would be a pain. Good luck! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:10:45 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bargain balance / engine paint color At 10:34 AM 3/6/99 EST, you wrote: >Sounds a little high, around here going price is 125 for a balance, plus >extras we talked about. BUT I am a firm believer in paying for trust, so I'd >spend the 250 if I were you. Go for it, it sounds good! - Ross I have $175 in my internal balance job from my builder on my bone stock 360. As of yesterday, I decided to spring for the forged (instead of cast as origianlly planned) .030 over Silv O lite pistons. I pick my engine up Monday the 15th of March!! It will be ready as planned. BTW- For all who want to know, I talked to a guy last night fom Michigan who works as a parts man somewhere at Ford in the Big House, he told me all FE engines from 66 thru 72 had the dark Corporate blue engine paint. So, Dark Ford Blue it is. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:24:50 -0600 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: [none] How about a quick and fool-proof way to tell the difference between a 240 and a 300? 2 years ago I paid to have my old worn-out 240 replaced with a rebuilt 300. Paid extra core charge and all. Yesterday a mechanic told me that he was pretty sure that what I have is a 240. Thanks, John Our Savior Lutheran Church 1101 Old Cleburne Road Granbury, TX 76048 (817) 573-5011 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:32:29 -0600 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question Phil, Thanks. I'm pretty confused now about what the original actually looked like. Some folks on the list think mine may have been modified so I will check it out. I'll keep your message and let you know if I need some of your parts. Thanks, John - -----Original Message----- From: Phil To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 4:17 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Knob - Question >>> >>>Does anyone happen to know what the know on the driver's side vent control >>>for a '67 F100 looks like? I can't seem to find it listed in any of the >>>various catalogs. >>>Thanks, >>>John> > > >John, if you cant seem to find one anywhere, I have the vent on my 69 parts >truck that is in good shape. Not sure what it is worth but would be willing >to sell it. Let me know. > >Phil Beattie >66 F100 390 C6 >66 F100 (no drivetrain) >79 F250 4x4 400 > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 10:10:45 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P Don't know what an S-P-2P is but the only manifolds I've seen listed from Edelbrock for the 400 in the past 6 years are the non EGR and EGR Performers. - -----Original Message----- From: William L. Ballinger To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Date: Friday, March 05, 1999 9:11 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-Block S-P-2P > >I'm pretty sure Ebelbroke made an S-P-2P for the M block too. It's been >a while though. They weren't much for performance, the design was made >as a high velocity economy emmissions-legal application. They usually >had shot off their rockets by 4500rpms, but did allow the use of a 4 >bbl. The Performer is much better. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 10:15:24 -0800 From: Tim Bowman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - url URL stands for Uniform Resource Locator and refers to the address of the location on the internet. It is expressed as a number such as 208.81.133.01 (ficticious one). We humans use the the English equivalent such as www.Fordtrucks.com. Tim Bowman 71 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:47:21 -0500 From: "PmctBaker" Subject: FTE 61-79 - carrier bearing/trans. end shaft now that I have to swap end shafts on my c-6, I got to thinking about putting in a carrier bearing, and driveshaft. my F-250 4x4 custom has a one piece driveshaft. how much hassle is this going to be? it dosent seem to hard to do, just keeping everything lined up, and hang the bearing. I have the tools and welders to do the job. can anyone explain the process. mc baker pmbaker your-net.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 11:02:42 PST From: "barry mitchell" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap I have a 74 ford 4x4 360 4spd, also have a 460 in a mercury. Question is will the 460 set down on the 360 frame mounts or do I need to do some parts scrounging Barry Mitchell Kansas ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:35:33 EST From: PARK39 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes I have a '64 F-250 and would like to change the front brakes to disc brakes. Am planning to add power brake booster and proportioning valve. I want to keep the truck as a 3/4 ton. Does anyone know if I can fit a later model F-250 (or equivelent) disc brakes on my truck. The '64 is the year before the Twin I-beam came out. Thanks, Park == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:00:59 -0500 From: Garr&Pam Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right William L. Ballinger wrote: > > > Now that is with a 351W, if I where to get a crank and make it into 427, > > would that help with torque/horsepower alot? 466lbs or torque at 7500 rpm > > sounds pretty damn nice, and if it where a 427 it seems to me that it would > > do over 500 lbs or torque, and somewheres around 700 HP, ALL IN A SMALL > > BLOCK!!! But am I missing something here? I know I would end up spending > > thousands upon thousands of dollers for this. Would 13:8 to 1 comp run on > > prem pump gas? Or does it take alcohol or something? > > What you're talking about here is not a streetable combination. Look at > the rpm level. There's no gas in the world that would support that kind > od compression under the varied load conditions of street driving. You > are spending alot of money to do something that an FE or a 429-460 can > do better in a much more realistic and cheaper combination. Not 700 > hp(having that much horsepower on the street is akin to stuffing a tube > sock down the front of your pants before going out, it's for vanity's > sake only), but the 500 lbs ft is a STOCK value and it's not at an rpm > level you never use more than once a week after a couple cold > refreshments. We are talking about a truck here right? Space and > weight isn't really an issue in a truck, but brawny torque is. IMHO a > well built FE or a 429-460 is a much better choice. Spend your money on > a set of ladder bars to hook it up, and a set of big disc brakes to stop > it. Then you've got a combination that will work, and be much more > flexible. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html If you want ta truck that hadles though you have to stick with a small block...unless you chasing your tail like a happy little puppy. I am running 14 with my basically stock Lightning(have exhaust, coil, wires stuff like that but no major mods) and i can out handle any car I have some across, sure the big block up front would be awesome but then when you get to the turn they will pass you back! Chris 94 Lightning #381 NLOC #238 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:46:02 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE was 79 upgrades - now 302/FE valve covers L7514 aol.com wrote: > > Just a couple of questions. Maybe Im stupid, or maybe they need to have a > list of abbreviated terms around here somewhere. But what does URL and FE > mean? I keep seeing these & a few others, but never heard them anywhere else. > Thanks for the expl., Lance > 74F100 custom 2x2 I-300 > 76F100 custom 2x2 302 > 79F100 ranger 2x2 302 > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html URL in its literal meaning is short for Uniform Resource Locator. FE I assume stands for Ford Engine, anybody? Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:58:31 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject) OK,I read the rest of my mail, Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:16:39 -0800 From: "Brzezinski, Jeff" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Buried Treasure I stripped an old peace-sign sticker off my horn-ring button, and cleaned off a ton of dirt and there was the original Gear & Thunderbolt emblem staring me in the face! Yippee! It needs a new nylon spacer, but again, I couldn't be happier. I'm not going to do a body-off restoration. This is my finish-moving/yard-work/go-to-home-depot truck. but I AM going to make it as perfect as I can, and still work it. This morning my better-mechanic-than-me buddy and I adjusted all 4 brakes, replaced the leaky fuel-pump on the 292, and replaced that drag-link. What a difference! Did I say I was thinking about a power-train upgrade? I deny it! My truck now runs like a finely-tuned tank and I love it! I have new little photos of the uncovered wheel and dash now, If anyone wants to see. I can be reached on weekends at freethinker earthlink.net I subscribe to the group at work. Jeff 1963 F-250 Utility Riverside, CA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 14:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: JP Morgon Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap Barry, A company called Ultra Flow makes a conversion kit to go to the 460 from the FE. The kit is either bolt in or weld in. I think it replaces the whole engine mount towers. They run about a hundred bucks. A company here in Denver called Blue Oval Performance engineering deals in all Ford stuff they can get these. Their phone # is 303-762-8298. JT _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:29:36 EST From: Rollie H Hunt Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine swap (351 cleveland) I have a 76 F-100 Explorer , it came out with a 360 but now has a 391 FT with 428 cubic inches . Did I say too much engine for me ? I want to install a 351 cleveland with a C-4 , ( Both of 1972 vintage ) . Anyone have information on the type of engine mounts , exhaust manifolds, oil pan , oil sump and or other aspects of this swap ? Any help will be appriciated ! R.H.Hunt ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:33:25 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 460 swap In a message dated 3/6/99 11:10:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, fishin4bass hotmail.com writes: will the 460 set down on the 360 frame mounts or do I need to do some parts scrounging Barry Mitchell Kansas >> There is not a simple answer for this one. If you do not mind the transmission mount being off about an inch on the cross member, and you can readily move the cross member the answer is no. However, L&L Products makes new towers and rubber mounts that will keep the transmission cross member in line, around $215. But, if you just get the rubber mounts ($115) and use them on your existing towers and deal the tranny cross member, you probably can save a few dollars. And in a pinch and what I have done in years gone by is to use the FE mounts, 2 holes line up on the 460 block, drill a hole in the original mount for a 3rd and use 3 bolts instead of 4 to connect to the engine. (Not a preferred method, but worked for me) Hooker sells new towers but you have to find all of the Ford stock mounts and stuff for a say a 78 truck, this would have cost about $250 or more by the time I got all the Ford parts new. My current truck conversion uses the L&L tower and mount combo. I like the idea of complete engineering. Chances are the Mercury has a large alternator. This will not fit in its current location on the 460 in your 74 4x4(it has to be raised to clear the frame). You will have to modify and or build a new alternator bracket, or buy one for this conversion from L&L ($128 a bit spendy, I use it). But, perhaps the best bet might be a mount kit in the fall 1998 PAW catalog page 1095 that claims to make a correct conversion without changing towers and contains all of the parts you will need for only $109. Maybe some one on the list can comment on this kit. It can become a real brain bender without some tips. Good Luck Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:47:39 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50 I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 19:47:39 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50 I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:08:54 -0500 From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank Ummm...my cost to get it balanced was $200 and an extra $50 to have it converted to be internally balanced. Sorry for the confusion if I didn't mention that. Still not a bad price for the extra POP in the throttle IMHO. - -Ted - -----Original Message----- From: William L. Ballinger To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Date: Saturday, March 06, 1999 9:00 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 crank >Does anyone have a 410 or 428 crank that is in good shape they want to >sell. I've never had a crank balanced, but if it can be done for $50 >I'd go for it if I can find one. I picked up this months Popular Hot >Rodding and saw an article on building a poor man's 428 CJ and got to >thinking about building my 390 into a 410. TRW makes a good piston for >it, and my '65 T-bird heads would love that extra stroke. Anybody? >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:17:22 -0500 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: FTE 61-79 - Autolite 4100 I think somebody was looking for these a couple of days ago. This ad was in Hemmings Motor News: Autolite 4100 4v carburetors, most big block applications, $75; 1963 427 Holley carburetor , $140. Crossroads, 573-584-9718 MO Snowbound Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:37:47 -0500 From: cannandale netpointe.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!! Allright, I did finally figure it out, I have a bad or broken ring on #7, So I figure im going to do a true rebuild this time (not just new bearings and re-done heads). Anyways, heres what I have decided on, and what I have questions about. 1. Cam - What kind should I use, when i took out my old one to look at it, it was pretty worn, but i stuck it back in there anyways. I want the cam to be good a daily driver, towing & offroad. What grind should I go with? I was thinking about a around a 260 durration RV cam, but just read a post talking against an RV cam, so what? 2. Pistons - Im going to get it bored .030 over, what kinda piston should i go with? I was looking at some keith black and they wernt too bad of a price considering.. $32.99 ea. (Jegs) 11.8 with 76cc head, and 10.2 with 91cc head. What size head do I have, its D VE-A2A (thats what it looks like in the dark, i just know that they are dove heads, :) So Whats the specs on these heads, and what can i expect with these pistons. Any other pistions that are GOOD, and at a descent price. 3. Intake - Im going with a another intake, period. How about a Edlebrock performer, to go with my edlebrock carb allready on there? (Jegs again) $162.99. A friend was trying to convince me to go with a tunnelport dual carb intake, but that just sound ridiculous, kinda neat though, showing off that engine to ppl.. hehe. 4. Rings - i just know what they do, what kind should I use? 5. Timing chain - i just bought a timing chain when i re-did the bearing and such, that friend (again) tells me i should get a double-roller chain, just sounds like more cash to me. Anything else I should know about before I start to tackle this project? Just flat out, I want this to be the last time I have to take the dang oil pan off that engine, I want this done right, so... Since its going to cost me a quite a bit, but i'll have one heck of a 460 for what I do. Thanx for all the help you've allready given! Cannandale (Dayton Boyd) Ramsey, IN '78 F250 4x4, 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 20:49:06 PST From: "Don Jones" Subject: FTE 61-79 - camper lights I have an 8' slide in camper that has a 12 volt lighting system. Since the camper is longer than the truck bed, it also has tail lights mounted on the camper. For power i ran a #14 wire directly from the positive terminal on the battery to the rear of the truck, by ty-wrapping it to the harness that goes to the tail lights. I put an in-line fuse holder a few inches from the battery connection with a 20 amp fuse. I like the "slide in" type of fuses because they seem to be a little less prone to corrosion than the glass ones. At the back of the truck i use a tractor- trailer type connector. its a bit expensive at first, but the one i am using is 12 years old and is on its 3rd truck now, so i think it is a good value. It can be mounted in place of one of the licence plate lights on a step type bumper. The wiring splices for the tail lights were made with solder and heat shrink tubing. I have'nt had great luck with crimp on connectors after a few salty winters here. For light fixtures, check out places that sell stuff for transport trucks and trailers. I found the stuff at RV dealers is usually poorer quality and much more expensive. While we are on the subject of campers, does anyone else here have an overhead camper? My 4x4 is quite a bit higher than my other truck is. My camper has 3 jacks to lift it so i can back under it. The only way I can get it high enough to fit the 4x4 is to put blocks under the legs and let the air out of the truck tires. Does anyone know of a safer way to do this? I need about 8-10 inches of extra lift on my jacks. Thanks! 70 F-250 4X4 85 F-150 SC ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 20:53:14 -0800 (PST) From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net Subject: [none] suspend 61-79-list TheFORDMAN webtv.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:19:15 EST From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 as a 427. yeah right some people want a big punch out of a small package. you have to admit, 427 cubic inches out of a small block is cool. wish i could afford to do it. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:45:49 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 BiG ProBlem - ReBuild TimE!!! In a message dated 3/6/99 7:40:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, cannandale netpointe.com writes: So I figure im going to do a true rebuild this time (not just new bearings and re-done heads). Anyways, heres what I have decided on, and what I have questions about. >> Just some thoughts on this subject. First if there is an A2A on the head it is likely a D3VE-A2A, which has 91 cc combustion chambers. Those KB pistons are excellent, however the 10.2 compression is right on the edge of being too high for cast iron heads on pump gas. Especially if you are going to make the truck work (pull sustained loads). Aluminum heads will work at that ratio on pump gas, they resist knocking better due to their enhanced cooling characteristics of the combustion chamber. The cam probably should be factored on some mean RPM of the engine, which is a result of your final gear ratio. If you have a ratio of 4.11:1 or lower (meaning bigger numbers) I think something like a 268 or a 270 cam would work nice. You seem to be leaning toward the Edelbrock Performer manifold, you know they make a matched cam to go with that manifold, I know one person who is successfully using that combo. He keeps smoking his tires. I think his cam is closer to stock than a 268. When you get into cams some brands are rated .050 open on the valve, this does not allow a very good paper comparison of a cam rated on the seat. The piston you are talking about is the KB137 Flat Top. I recommend going to the KB206 with a 15cc dish, it will give you a 9.2:1 compression with the 91cc heads. That will give you a safe reliable all around engine with a lot of go (still probably have to use 92 octane). An enhancement you might try, is using the Comp Cams variable duration lifters, similar to Rhoads lifters, but without the noise. This will enhance low RPM torque providing you are using a 268 or higher cam. If you want that high compression you will have to spend big bucks to get the components ie aluminum heads, special cam, in the cab timing control, or a lot of octane boost to keep it from burning a hole in your KB pistons. Getting a good quality timing chain is worth it, these things stretch rapidly, when you tear the engine down you will not want to believe how much it has loosened up in just a few miles. If you are just starting down this road, then I am sure you will have many more questions. There are many other combinations I have not touched on, hopefully some of list members will give you some more thoughts. Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 22:35:44 -0800 From: Tim Bowman Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts for sale I came across these on another list: >70's Ford Pickup Dash with wood grain (2) and a Heater/Fan/Air >conditioner/Fuel switch. These don't need to be sold together. >Miscellaneous Heater/Air conditioner parts for a 70's Ford Pickup. >These don't need to be sold together. Contact "Kent Radford" for more info. He's locate in the Souix City Iowa area. Tim Bowman 71 F100 PS: I experienced the 2nd happiest day in a boat owner's life today. Now I can focus on my FOMOCO's. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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