61-79-list-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 074



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Hood Ornament
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?
RE: FTE 61-79 - For Sale: '69 4v 351W heads
FTE 61-79 - Thunderstorm over my Hood Emblem...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?
FTE 61-79 - RE: Singing C-6 Trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Valve spring pressure
FTE 61-79 - Re: proportioning valves
FTE 61-79 - RE: Looking for a Holley Mile Dial .. A What?
FTE 61-79 - other engines
FTE 61-79 - getting electrical shocks too/ fords dont like water
FTE 61-79 - Steering/Brakes

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 19:30:13 -0800
From: Al Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hood Ornament

Dennis: You are correct. Lightning thru gear was for 6 cylinders only

FWIW Al
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:08:24 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?

At 09:39 AM 4:3:97 -0700, you wrote:

>I hear that 351c heads work really well for helping the Winsdor. Do they
>just bolt on, or do there need to be modifications?

I would check the archives for the little disertation I gave about installing
351C heads on a Windsor block. I wouldn't use the high zoot 4bbl heads
on a 351W, just the cost of them is prohibitive......

If you can't find the info in the archive, e-mail me directly, and I'll rewrite
it. Maybe a tech article in the making??

Steve & the Rockette

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:08:22 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - For Sale: '69 4v 351W heads

At 09:52 AM 3:3:99 -0500, you wrote:
>No definitely not, the 351w head belongs to the 289/302 family of v8's and
>the 351m,400m and 351c are a family separate to themselves.
>

You can use Windsor heads on a Cleveland block, if you have enough
money to have a custom intake manifold made. I remember one of the
"Outlaw" racers was running W heads on a C block, but he was running
alcohol injection...........

Steve & the Rockette

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 20:04:00 -0800
From: "Brzezinski, Jeff"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thunderstorm over my Hood Emblem...

Whoa! All I did was say how much I liked the Thunderbolt emblem on my '63
F-250 with the 292... I didn't expect it to raise a controversy.

I gotta say, mine looks like it's been there the whole 36 years... and quite
a few folks have been saying that their pre-65, 292 trucks have the
thunderbolt emblem. I believe the guy who wrote that the emblem changed for
V-8's after '65 is right.

Jeff
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:21:06 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?

69 351w in stock trim made 290hp, some say it was under rated due to insurance
standards, i've heard that after 74, the blocks deck height was raised to
lower compression. for performance i would find a set of 69-71 windsor heads.
have the exhaust ports ported (a must to get the full benefit from intakes,
carbs and headers)
install an aluminum dual plane intake, and a 650 dp carb works good on a mild
small block,install a camshaft to give you low to mid range rpm power, the rv
cams work well, and install headers. have you checked your rear end gears, if
its 325 or 300, stepping up to a 3.50 or 3.70 can make a world of difference
without affecting drivability.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:30:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:25:15 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W, What heads?

all the 351w parts i have would make someone a very nice, mild performance
engine,

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:00:26 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Singing C-6 Trans

John:

Does is sound kind of like a power steering pump that is low on fluid? If
so, you may have a stuck shift valve. Mine was doing this not too long ago
('67 F100 2wd with FMX) and I freed it up with LubeGaurd additive. A buddy
of mine builds tranny's and swears by this stuff. You may want to check the
fluid level too.

Be warned, though. It's about $25 a bottle. You don't need to use the whole
bottle though if that's any consolation.

Hope this helps,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:37:59 -0700
>From: johnmicki oldwest.net (John Rollf)

>I checked my transmission cooler and cooler lines. They are very clean.
I
>could not find any sort of blockage. Any one have any other suggestions?

>Thanks,
>John


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 00:00:11 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Valve spring pressure

In a message dated 3/3/99 6:46:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, Brent_Cole FMO.com
writes:


(recommended by the manufacturer of the engine kit) dual valve springs with
dampers. My machine shop installed them but said the pressure was a little
on the high side for stock valves. He said they were running around 150
lbf/in. I am running standard hydraulic lifters (included in the same kit)
and an RV cam (again in the same kit), 3 angle valve job and 9:1 pistons.
So who should I believe the catalog from which I ordered (Federal Mogul
Performance Catalog, Engine Kit MHP-178) or my machine shop? Anyone have
any info on the valve spring pressure with stock valves or any experience
with double coil spings your suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
Brent Cole >>

The value you have given is in the form of a spring rate almost. A spring
rate is Pounds Force per inch. Your valve will never open an inch so
practically this number allows one to compare springs by looking at their spec
sheets. 150 is far too low for a spring rate as they are usually 300+.
However if this is the value at the installed height (valve shut) of 1.810
inches, your mechanic is right it is high, twice normal, as the stock
specification is 76-84, and low if it is the open value, which spec is
240-266. Ask your mechanic what this value represents. If as you said your
springs are double coil with a damper then I think it is reasonable to think
150 might be the installed shut value. The higher value valve springs like
these allow your engine to enter the 6000 RPM+ area. But, if your rebuild kit
specified these springs I can only guess these will work with your cam. One
thing to keep in mind the increased pressure puts more stress and wear and the
valve train in general (timing chain, cam lobes, lifters, push rods, and
rocker arms). If you are not going for high RPMs you might want to rethink
the double coils. Just a thought. I installed a Comp Cam 268 with Comp Cams
recommended matched springs (single coil with damper) and they were stronger
than stock at around 110, valve shut. Engine will go to 6000, but I limit it
to 5500. I want it to last at least 100,000 miles. Good Luck Maybe others
will have comments on this too.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 23:54:46 EST
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: proportioning valves

John -

I must defer to your wisdom. I've only done a few brake jobs on a few makes
over the last 10 years. I was not trying to present myself as an expert.
100% of what I knew was contained in the first post and included a disclaimer.
I was merely trying to help somebody solve a problem.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4wd

John wrote:

>I've done a lot of brake jobs over the last 30+ years on lots of brands.
>The return springs on drum brakes do indeed pull the shoes back against the
>metal stops. If anyone has ever pulled a drum on a functioning brake and
>found the shoes not sitting on the metal stops, I want to hear about it.
>The only way this could happen is improper installation of components or
>broken components.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:31:02 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Looking for a Holley Mile Dial .. A What?

Rick

The Mile Dial was an electronic control unit that allowed the adjustment of
the Air/Fuel ratio. There were two versions one for the street and one for
the strip. Holley built them during the 80's and they worked quite well.
Unfortunately they were priced a tad on the high side and EFI (someday it
will even work,LOL) became all the rage; the market just went away...
The mechanical parts are still available from Holley but the actual Control
unit is no longer available, nor will Holley release the schematics of the
control circuit.
I would like to find the control unit working or not (prefer working) so
that I can use or clone it and use this system on a project that is in the
wind...

Later
Muel
79 Bronco 400M


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:03:58 +0000
From: "MARK DAVIES"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - other engines

how come you never hear anything about these other blocks
361,391,389,401,475,477,534, are the like rare or not common myself
id love to have that 534 in my truck where do i get one and what is a
401 to the 400 ?
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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:00:02 +0000
From: "MARK DAVIES"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - getting electrical shocks too/ fords dont like water

someone a little bit ago mentioned geting shocked when his rad hose
blew it seems whenever im leaning over the front of my truck and rest
my bear arms across the steel frame i guess bulhead or whatever its
called truck body i get a tingle kinda shock or sometimes often i
touch the trucck and get like a static shock kinda like dragging your
socks on a carpet then nailing someone anyone have any ideas ???

also whenever it is rainy wet or really damp the truck runs like
s##t wont idle runs real rich and you can almost smell fuel I have a
holley 4160 on a eldebrock dominator is the carb icing up cause after
you run it for a long while and drive it hard cause your pissed it
runs great again as it does in any other weather except wet or is the
problem related to the top being electrical.. any help much app..
mark davies 78 351M400 f150 camper special
69 mach1 fastback
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 01:23:47 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering/Brakes

While we're on the subjects of steering and brakes I'll jump in with a
couple of questions.
I have a 76 f-250 4x4 w/the control valve,steering ram, monkey motion,
leaky ,P/S system.I have located a rebuilt ram and a control valve for
it but I think $275 a piece is a little steep.Does anybody know where
I can get rebuild kits for these items?I'm not too thrilled about
cutting
and welding my frame to adapt another box and getting rid of the
original system,but if I don't find rebuild kits I'll be $550 poorer
and I'll still have a box that could use a rebuild too!....


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