61-79-list-digest Tuesday, March 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 070



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission, FTD61-79 V3 #68
Re: FTE 61-79 - WD-40
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help! 460 BIG PROBLEM
FTE 61-79 - 400 M series engines
FTE 61-79 - Re: 5-speed transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M series engines
FTE 61-79 - Old Ford carburetors
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M /Jack Roush comment
FTE 61-79 - Looking for a Holley Mile Dial
FTE 61-79 - Whoops
FTE 61-79 - 390 connecting rods
RE: FTE 61-79 - Singing C-6 Trans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M /Jack Roush comment
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old Ford carburetors
Re: FTE 61-79 - DurasparkII into 69F100
FTE 61-79 - Carburetor or What ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission
Re: FTE 61-79 - Coil springs and other stuff
FTE 61-79 - "Bronco Graveyard"
FTE 61-79 - Re: Steering column disassembly, thanks!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Coil springs and other stuff
FTE 61-79 - steering and gear box

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:16:54 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission, FTD61-79 V3 #68

I had a co-worker up in Reno install a Clark in his 73 F-150. Dont know where
he found it, but he loves it, goosed his MPG up pretty good. I also recall 4
wheel and Off Road doing an article on the Clark, mentioning they can be found
for as little as $200 if you know what your doin.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:22:46 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WD-40

In a message dated 3/1/99 5:45:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, dpearson ctc.edu
writes:


answer >>


OK group, we've been challenged. Anyone know the sound of one hand clapping?
I think it sounds like a cracked piston myself.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:44:09 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help! 460 BIG PROBLEM

Well, i ran a vacum guage on it and compression tested, pretty low on the
number 2, in fact, really low. I dont believe its a head gasket, no water
in the oil, no antifreeze out the tail-pipe. But at the rate that I lost
oil, wouldnt it at-least be smoking? Could it be a head gasket and NOT be
between a cylinder and the water jacket, say between the cylinder and where
the oil drains back into the block? I checked vacum and it was holding
good , I did this because I htought at first i might have a cracked piston.
I lowered the idle down to about 500 to make sure i could see if it
droped, and it never did. If it was rings wouldnt it cause a severe vacum
leak on that cylinder? It heald about 18 steady.

All i know is if its rings, im pulling the motor (again) maybe get a
short-block, put in a mild cam and another intake and throw it in.

I guess a little good news anyways, I do happen to have a '78 302 with
tranny out of a a F150 I sold to a friend (which he wrecked and gave the
engine and tanny to me), is there any way I can drop this into my truck
while I work on the 460? Its out of a 2wd so how would I hook it to the
t-case? I dont guess the tail-shaft housing will match the 302's tranny?
I think its a c4, and i knw mine is a c6. In general, how much trouble
would it be drop this in, its not premanet, just for now...

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


At 05:35 PM 3/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>You have the right diagnostic idea, Compression tester. Sounds like a head
>gasket or.... and I know you do not want to hear this but.. Broken ring, or
>at least one cylinder that has rings not sealing..The compression test will
>show whats what.
>
>Erik Marquez
>78 Bronco
>bronco78 mosquitonet.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78
>bronco78 on the BB chat
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: cannandale netpointe.com
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Monday, March 01, 1999 8:08 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help! 460 BIG PROBLEM
>
>
>>Driving home from school today, i noticed my oil pressure kept dropping,
>>and then i looked at my temp guage, and it wasnt even regersting (im using
>>aftermarket guages). So i fugured i blew a radiator hose er something
>>since the temp sender just sits in the water. Poped the hood, and there
>>was oil all over the place around the oil fill cap, it had blowen it out,
>>not a whole lot though. I checked it, and it was 3 qtz. low! i just
>>checked it yesterday! started it and smelled the exhaust, and no sign of
>>burning oil, or antifreeze, reved it, and no black or blue smoke.
>>
>>I just re-uilt this engine about a month ago and have since put about 1000
>>or so miles on it, could it be a blown head-gasket causing blow-by?
>>because i pulled out the dip-stick and it was covered in oil almost
>>half-way up the stick, so i know there is blow-by, just not enough to pop
>>the stick out. But where did 3 quarts go? It sure didnt blow that much
>>out. the drain pul leaks a little bit, but no 3 quarts. Could the pcv be
>>letting oil trough. I have it hooked to the bottom of my edlebrock carb,
>>so its getting direct vacum, and i know its pulling a little bit though it
>>because there is some oil in the hose. But is that caused by the blow-by?
>>
>>Im shooting for a blown head gasket between the oil drains from the head to
>>the block and a cylinder, but i cant see that either. The engine is
>>running excellent except for that, no missing, shaking, studdering,
>>starting, anything.
>>
>>it makes no sense! i guess i'll through a compression tester on it later,
>>any ideas would help!
>>
>>cannandale
>>'78 F250 4x4, 460 (ack)
>>
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:38:18 -0800
From: Al Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 M series engines

All You guys argueing about 400 Fords: I had a 71 LTD with a 400 Bought
new from Friendly Ford in Springfield Mo. Also I amnow looking at an
Edelbrock Performer manifold for a 400 M that I took off my 79 4x4 prior
to selling it. I had a 390 Holley Carb and a Lunati HI271 cam and the
thing would absolutely pull down a building. Years ago in a written
interview Jack Roush said the 400 ford was the most performance
potential engine that Ford had produced. FWIW

Al
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:42:28 -0800
From: Al Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5-speed transmission

Gerry: Thanks for the info I will check it out.

Al
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:55:06 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M series engines

I havent been watching the 400 arguement, but I will tell you about one I did.
We took a stock 400, added a 280 dur street cam, and an Edelbrock Performer
with a 600 Holley, and a set of headers. It was in a 79 Shortbed 4x4 and it
ran like a bear! It didnt have the high end pull of my 390, but it far less
compression and a bit less cam, not to mention the Performer doesnt flow
nearly as well as the alum 428 PI intake on my truck, but for everday driving
and a spirited smoke show now and then, that truck ran super. I wouldnt mess
with a 400 if I wanted big power, unless maybe you added 351C 4V heads, but
for a street truck, it makes a fun motor. Just my 2 cents, but they run good.

Ross Bullock
71 F-100 4x4 Shortbed
70 Mustang 427 / 4 speed
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:58:15 EST
From: My427Stang aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old Ford carburetors

If anyone has any out on the list, I am looking for an old Ford core or two.
What I am looking for is Holleys with Cxxx Ford type number on the air horn,
hoping to build a good carb or two out of them for my truck and my fathers. We
are trying to put them together with all "stock" Ford parts, sort of a hot rod
truck resto, even though they didnt come with PI manifolds, Holley 4 barrels,
etc. If you have something, including Autolite 4 barrels, drop me an email.
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:04:37 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M /Jack Roush comment

At 09:38 PM 3/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
>All You guys argueing about 400 Fords: I had a 71 LTD with a 400 Bought
>new from Friendly Ford in Springfield Mo. Also I amnow looking at an
>Edelbrock Performer manifold for a 400 M that I took off my 79 4x4 prior
>to selling it. I had a 390 Holley Carb and a Lunati HI271 cam and the
>thing would absolutely pull down a building. Years ago in a written
>interview Jack Roush said the 400 ford was the most performance
>potential engine that Ford had produced. FWIW

It is common knowledge to the old timers on the list that I have never been
a fan of M blocks, BUT....
if MY HERO and IDOL, JACK ROUSH said it, then by darned it IS true!! All
praise to the M block!!!

Daver, you forgive me?????

;^)

Stu (sorry FE guys, Jack Roush is "Da Man!!")
Nuke GM!
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:02:13 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for a Holley Mile Dial

I'm passively looking for a "Holley Mile Dial Kit" and or control unit.
Passively looking means that the price has to be right!
Anybody got one sitting around?
Contact me off line if you do.

Thankz all.
Muel

There is no connection between a Mile Dial and a Dial a Meal, just for the
record!


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 22:04:52 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Whoops

> >
> > The link would be free, as long as the other site has a recipricol
> > link. For the banner, there really isn't a way to give a full time
> > banner because we'd have to:
>
> Just a couple of questions:

I posted this by mistake to the list, it was intended for Ken.

I got a job with a company that wants to start up an internet sales
division to sell their products, and I'm looking at advertising
options. I apologize to Ken (and anyone else who may be offended) for
the mistake.
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:13:52 -0600
From: JOHN E DOLSON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 connecting rods

Does anyone on the list have a set of good, usable 390 connecting rods
they would sell for a decent price.
I almost got sick at the machine shop this morning when I heard what
they wanted for a new set for my 360 to 390 conversion.

also, just curious, What would happen if I used the 360 rods with the 390
crank and pistons?

If anyone has a set of theses rods please email me at jedolson juno.com
, I might also be interested in a 390 crankshaft or any other 390 parts.



John Dolson
Jefferson City, MO
1976 F150 Ranger XLT

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:37:59 -0700
From: johnmicki oldwest.net (John Rollf)
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Singing C-6 Trans

I checked my transmission cooler and cooler lines. They are very clean. I
could not find any sort of blockage. Any one have any other suggestions?

Thanks,
John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of John Rollf
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 1999 5:44 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Singing C-6 Trans
>
>
> Recently the C-6 Transmission in my truck (1972 F-250, FE 360) has started
> get hi pitched "howling" or "whaling" sounds. The sounds are not constant.
> They last for about 30 seconds to a minute and then go away.
> Increasing or
> decreasing speed, unless I come to a stop, doesn't effect the noise much.
> Shifting gears doesn't affect it either. I changed the fluid
> and filter.
> The fluid I drained was in perfect condition, it was bright and clear with
> no smell of being burnt, and there was no material in the tranny pan. The
> sounds seem to happen more frequently and are louder when it is cold out
> side (i.e. around freezing), although it still occurs when the
> Truck and air
> temp are warm. The transmission has about 40,000 miles on it.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> John Rollf
> 1972 F-250, 2wd, FE-360
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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:36:57 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission

Daniel Koster wrote:

> Chad,
>
> Do you have the gear ratios in that nice, handy-dandy manual of yours?
>
> Dan

I'm not Chad but here is the info I posted about a year ago...


Model First Second Third Fourth Fifth Reverse
280v 7.48 4.38 2.40 1.48 1.00 6.30
280vo 5.98 3.50 1.86 1.00 .80 5.04
282v 6.99 4.09 2.27 1.17 1.00 5.89
285v 6.99 4.09 2.24 1.47 1.00 5.89
288v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.37 1.00 5.04
289v 5.98 3.50 1.91 1.18 1.00 5.04
282vhd 7.26 4.10 2.18 1.17 1.00 6.00
285vhd 7.26 4.10 2.24 1.47 1.00 6.00
cl450 8.05 4.35 2.45 1.48 1.00 8.05
cl455 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.28 1.00 6.99
cl457 6.99 3.78 2.13 1.17 1.00 6.99
cl551 7.52 4.35 2.54 1.52 1.00 6.27
cl557 6.82 3.68 1.99 1.17 1.00 5.30
cl558 6.36 3.68 2.15 1.28 1.00 5.30

The 280 series is rated at 330 lb-ft of torque, 405 series is 405 lb-ft
and the 550 series is rated for 490 lb-ft or torque.

The input shafts on the Clarks are 1 1/2" in diameter and the stock size
clutch disk was 13" so finding a disk that will fit an 11 or 12" clutch
will be the tricky part.

Look for Ford or GM truck (1 1/2 ton to 5 ton) made between the mid to
late 60's to the early 80's. If you find a mid 80's truck take some
measurements of the Eaton transmissions. Eaton bought out Clark and
makes parts for the newer trannys but not the old Clarks.

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:38:44 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 M /Jack Roush comment

i heared dat, roush is a rite smart feller. i saw a 400 with a few additives (
cleveland
4v quench chamber heads, moderate bumpstick,intake,carb and headers) run with
460's and 454's in mud trucks and on the drag strip. i know the first question
i'm going to be asked is what kind of intake with the 4v heads? i don't know!
but i think there used to be a spacer kit to use a 351 cleveland intake on a
351m or 400. if anyone wants to try it i have 4v heads and an intake for sale.

thanks, jeff grant
78 f150 4x4, 429pi,4spd, 4.10's with locker
69 mach1,awaiting transplant of 351c
96 f250 powerstroke
92 gmc suburban c2500 4x4 454 (oops wife's vehicle)
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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 23:42:24 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old Ford carburetors

i have a couple of old autolites laying around, but the holleys go pretty
quick and are EXPENSIVE as you must know. a couple of my buddies deal in carbs
for 428 cj,boss 302's etc.

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 20:53:40 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - DurasparkII into 69F100

Don Yerhot wrote:

> I'm trying to get a DurasparkII ignition system to work in a 69 F100.
> It's using the "Blue" control box. I've got all the parts from a donor
> 82. Both trucks have the 300-6. The problem I'm having right now is that
> I can't get it to start. I've got the red wire hooked up to the original
> 12 volt source for the coil and the white hooked to the starter
> solenoid. I not getting any spark while cranking it over, but when I let
> up on the key, just for a split second, it does fire. Just wondering if
> anybody out there has ever done this conversion. Thanks in advance for
> any help/suggestions.
>
> Fomodon

How do you have power running to the box? Someone else mentioned grounding
the control module. The system should work with out the box being
grounded. The only ground in the system is at the distributor. For a
simple test of the system you can use the coil wire for the coil and the
C/M and don't worry about the retard wire for now. The C/M likes to have
12V normally but will run with only 6-8 such as the coil wire. Recheck the
distributor also. If you are off a tooth when you reinstalled it the
timing might be too far off.

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:12:52 PST
From: "Dane Berthelsen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carburetor or What ?

Last week I ran out of gas (the gauge doesn't work) in my 77 f150 with
400M and now the car is acting up. I'm driving down the freeway and
every thing is fine. Then the engine cuts out and all power literally
gone. It might then backfine, choke a few times, and then it will be
running fine again for a while before it cuts out again. I have replaced
the fuel filter - I think it has been sitting there for a long time and
needed replacement. The fuel pump was replaced less than a month ago by
my mechanic when he put a rebuild engine in. I don't know if I have the
guts to take the carb apart and clean out the dirt I'm sure got there
from the bottom of my old gas tank or should I take it back to the
garage and pay them $200 to do the job for me ? I would like to fix it
myself if possible - any advice from the list ?

I think someone else asked the same question a few days ago, and I wish
I had saved the message and replies.

Thanks,
Dane



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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 21:19:36 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 5 Speed transmission

A couple of quick links to some different 5 speeds.


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pacific.telebyte.com/allanw/binder/5speed/

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ozemail.aust.com/~marks4wd/nv4500.html


Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:22:55 EST
From: Clemstang1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Coil springs and other stuff

I just got a new JC Whitney catalog in the mail the other day just on ford
trucks. Had a lot of good restoration parts in it (body
panels,weatherstripping,lights,dash pads,door panels) might give them a try
but sometimes you can't beat OEM!

Jeff
73 F-150 (pro-street) 460
79 F-150 Lariat 460
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 00:59:15 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Bronco Graveyard"

"I saw an add in a catalogue for "JEFF'S
BRONCO GRAVEYARD", was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
them??? "

A good friend of mine ordered some parts from Jeff's and was
happy with the parts and the service.
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 04:07:02 -0500
From: Joe Hartwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steering column disassembly, thanks!

Thanks to everyone who helped me with advice on the steering column of my=
1968 F-100. I am busy this week with work and college (Virginia Tech,=
Electrical Engineering), but next week is spring break, so I think I know a=
certain truck that's gonna get some attention next week...if it doesn't=
snow and rain everyday.

As for my instructor, the class is primarily on engines and powertrains, and=
I think he was cautious to encourage me because he hadn't done it in a=
while, and didn't have much information for me about it. But man!, does he=
know engines! =20

As a matter of fact, we rebuilt my Autolite 2-barrel carburetor last Friday,=
and it's to go back on the F-100 next week during spring break. I had=
never rebuit a carburetor before, and his step by step instructions, and=
"nah, you want it like this..." helped out a lot. Little adjustments, you=
know, tricks of the trade.

Thanks again, and I'm sure I'll have more questions as I do little things to=
this truck, and get the advice of people who have been there before!

Joe Hartwell


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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 01:28:09 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Coil springs and other stuff

mark
just saw that you needed some frt coil springs it just so happens that i
have a set less than year old . i paid 90$ make me a good offer and i
we' ll figure how to get them to you just let me know and we will talk
Eric
aka the ford man
ps they are manufactured by moog

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 05:03:40 -0500
From: "terry love"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering and gear box....


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