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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option
FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option
FTE 61-79 - Carb Questions?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets
FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Tiny Rivets
FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch
FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun w/ Ford Blue #205
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
FTE 61-79 - Stress on ring/pinion at high rpms?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stress on ring/pinion at high rpms?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun w/ Ford Blue #205
re:FTE 61-79 - '77 Carb / Vacuum help....
FTE 61-79 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny
FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - FW: 4x4 driveline noise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - C-6 woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping
FTE 61-79 - Re: 65 F250 4X4
Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb Questions?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - Tranny & Oil Pressure
FTE 61-79 - slack in timing chain?
FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm
Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
FTE 61-79 - RE: Pitman arm
Re: FTE 61-79 - 9" rear woes
FTE 61-79 - RE 302 carb problems

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:31:26 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option

In a message dated 1/11/99 5:48:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-61-79-list-
digest ford-trucks.com writes:

> There was a heavy-duty duty option axle
> for the front, with bigger knuckles, but I think the hubs were the
> same.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:40:58 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option

In a message dated 1/11/99 5:48:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-61-79-list-
digest ford-trucks.com writes:

> There was a heavy-duty duty option axle
> for the front, with bigger knuckles, but I think the hubs were the
> same.

The hub was also bigger on the DANA 60 option for the front axle. The 44
hubs have a taper down to the lock-out.

--Thom B--
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 05:55:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb Questions?

We are having a discussion as to what carberator would be the best for
my '77 F-100 which we have put a 400 in. We have the Edlebrock intake
manifold on it, so a 4v carb would fit just fine. At the present time,
we have a stock Ford 2v with an adapter. This has worked well for 6
months or so, but now the adapter is leaking, and the carb is badly in
need of rebuilding (okay, we didn't rebuild it before we put the
engine back together because the guys want a 4v). So, the question is,
which 4 barrel carb do you suggest? We have been looking at the
Edlebrock 600, but, I don't know much about it. I really don't want
one that you would have to "fiddle" with a lot, as in adjusting it all
the time. Can you help?

Arlene
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:55:24 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets

On Sun, 10 Jan 1999, Tim Bowman wrote:

> This should be a common item. If you can't find them locally, I
> probably have some in my personal supply of rivets. What length do
> you need?


Need short 1/8 or so. I'll let you know within a day if I will need to
ask you for them.

thanks
c


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> Tim Bowman
> 71 F100
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:35:22 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?

The built date on the door jam says 7/77. The vin number says and f250
4x4 and it should have a 400ci engine. However, an FE lives under the
hood with a 4spd manual. The truck runs pretty well. Everything
important seems to work. It is my understanding that ford used FE
engines in trucks up to 1976. Wondering if this was a common swap at one
time? Also wondering how many folks out there have 1977 and up f series
trucks with FEs in them? Looking under the hood and underneath the truck
I'm hard pressed to tell the truck was converted?

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 08:53:36 -0600
From: "Jamey Moss"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Tiny Rivets

CLARE WATERMAN wrote:

> I think i remember a thread from a while back (summer?) about small
> diameter rivets. I am repairing the power window mechanism in my 79
> Lincoln Town Car (400 2V/c6/9") and find myself in need of a rivet that is
> the same diameter as a 5/32 drill bit. If anyone remembers this thread or
> knows if this is a common item let me know. I can go pick them up in my 71
> f250 (360/c6/dana60) (FTE content).

If you can't find any pop rivets that size, you could buy a rivet tool
for $8 from Mid Fifty F-100 (1-800-252-1956), which comes with several
small rivets of various sizes. I don't know for sure if it has 5/32
rivets, but they can probably check for you. I bought the tool to
install the vent window gaskets on my 67 F100, and it worked great. The
tool is basically a punch with a concave face to spread the rivet out,
as opposed to a pop rivet where the breakaway rod is pulled through the
rivet to spread it out.


Good luck,

Jamey Moss
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:38:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch

Andrew writes: >>The next question is should the fuel gauge read for both
tanks?

Yes. Whichever you select.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:45:00 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

Sixbang300 writes: >>Was 1978 the first year to come out with front disc
brakes in the 4x4 models?

No!!! I had a '76 F150 4X4 with front disc. My '74 had drums, but it
could have been an option even then, I'm not sure. I now have a '77 F250
4X4 with front disc.


Azie


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:51:04 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch

At 09:38 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>Andrew writes: >>The next question is should the fuel gauge read for both
>tanks?
>
>Yes. Whichever you select.
>
Wasn't there a thread a while ago where someone mentioned there was a valve
AND a switch you had to change, that way it would work for both tanks ?


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:56:37 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: DANA 60 Option

TBeeee aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/11/99 5:48:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-61-79-list-
> digest ford-trucks.com writes:
>
> > There was a heavy-duty duty option axle
> > for the front, with bigger knuckles, but I think the hubs were the
> > same.
>
> The hub was also bigger on the DANA 60 option for the front axle. The 44
> hubs have a taper down to the lock-out.
>
> --Thom B--

Not sure what the reference is, I lost track along the way, but there is two Dana
44's used. The Pumpkin and shafts were the same but the HD version has external
locking hubs simular to the Dana 60. I'm not sure if the two would interchange or
not. The regular duty has the smaller 6" knuckles and the HD has 8" knuckles. The
move to open knuckle style axles also changed the hubs and spindles. The used a
larger hub but use the locking parts from the 1/2 ton and light duty 3/4 ton axles

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:32:03 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18

Michael Connor wrote:
>
> Gang,
>
> Having run both of these trannies in a jeep I can tell you that Don is on
> the money
> about the 435 having an aluminum top cover. If the trans is in the vehicle
> however,
> you can tell by where reverse is. On the T18, reverse is to the right and UP
> (forward).
> NP435's reverse is to the right and DOWN (back).

My T-18 has reverse to the right and back (down). I had a 435 before
the T-18, so I know the difference. One other difference is the way
shifter mounts to top of case. 435 pushes in and turns, while T--18 has
small cover that screws onto top of case.

OX

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:03:42 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

At 09:45 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>Sixbang300 writes: >>Was 1978 the first year to come out with front disc
>brakes in the 4x4 models?
>
>No!!! I had a '76 F150 4X4 with front disc. My '74 had drums, but it
>could have been an option even then, I'm not sure.

I haven't seen any references to this being an option ... doesn't mean it
wasn't, just haven't seen it happen yet. Can we (with
spindle's to go to the disc brakes ?


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:23:09 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18

> My T-18 has reverse to the right and back (down). I had a 435 before
>the T-18, so I know the difference. One other difference is the way
>shifter mounts to top of case. 435 pushes in and turns, while T--18 has
>small cover that screws onto top of case.
>
> OX

OX ,

Thanks for the T18 info; I just learned something.:-) What year is yours?
All my experience with the T18 has been with the older ones, from 66 on.
I wonder if they changed it in later years.?


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:33:46 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

Part of the new changes made to ford trucks in '73 was front disk brakes on
all F-100 & F-150 4x4 models. 8-) F-250's I *think* got them late '77.

Tony
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At 10:45 AM 1/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Sixbang300 writes: >>Was 1978 the first year to come out with front disc
>brakes in the 4x4 models?
>
>No!!! I had a '76 F150 4X4 with front disc. My '74 had drums, but it
>could have been an option even then, I'm not sure. I now have a '77 F250
>4X4 with front disc.
>
>
>Azie
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:50:28 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

>Part of the new changes made to ford trucks in '73 was front disk brakes on
>all F-100 & F-150 4x4 models. 8-) F-250's I *think* got them late '77.
>
Actually I think it was just power steering introduced, the disc brakes
were only on 4x2's til the mid to late 70's (75 or 6 was the change over,
along with a new power steering design if I remember right)

Oh yeah, I have a 73 w/74 running gear, and its power drum brakes. Also
still using a 4x2 drum brake master cylinder ... no wonder they never feel
right ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:41:01 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18

Michael Connor wrote:
>
> > My T-18 has reverse to the right and back (down). I had a 435 before
> >the T-18, so I know the difference. One other difference is the way
> >shifter mounts to top of case. 435 pushes in and turns, while T--18 has
> >small cover that screws onto top of case.
> >
> > OX
>
> OX ,
>
> Thanks for the T18 info; I just learned something.:-) What year is yours?

From 79 bronco. My 435 was original in my 78 Bronco. They are/were
interchangable externally.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:11:58 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

He he he.. That's interesting considering the fact my Uncle had a '73 4x4
he bought brand new that was an F-100 with disk! 8-) You would think
there would be a book out there that would answer these little annoying
type of trivia questions. Are FTE members the only people worried about
this? 8-)

Tony
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At 10:50 AM 1/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Part of the new changes made to ford trucks in '73 was front disk brakes on
>>all F-100 & F-150 4x4 models. 8-) F-250's I *think* got them late '77.
>>
>Actually I think it was just power steering introduced, the disc brakes
>were only on 4x2's til the mid to late 70's (75 or 6 was the change over,
>along with a new power steering design if I remember right)
>
>Oh yeah, I have a 73 w/74 running gear, and its power drum brakes. Also
>still using a 4x2 drum brake master cylinder ... no wonder they never feel
>right ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:18:44 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?

>time? Also wondering how many folks out there have 1977 and up f series
>trucks with FEs in them? Looking under the hood and underneath the truck
>I'm hard pressed to tell the truck was converted?

I did notice something a while back at the UHAUL station down the street
here in Akron Ohio. They were selling off a bunch of old trucks and I was
curious about the price. Three of the trucks were "standard cabs" with no
beds and dual rear tires. (I don't know what used to be on them) They
were all '78's (early model with round headlights) and under all three
hoods were FE's. Do you think Ford might have offered the FE as an option
for a "commercial" truck application later than '76? I know they banished
them due to emissions laws, possibly this didn't apply to commercial trucks?

Just a guess.

Tony
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:22:34 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun w/ Ford Blue #205

Yo Gang:

I have seen two different shades of blue used on Ford engines. Seems like
I've seen some '60s Mustang engines that used a darker blue. Does anyone
know what years used what shades (lighter and darker)? Were different
shades of blue used on different vehicle applications at the same time?

Thanks

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:33:15 -0600
From: "Michael Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?

I don't know if this means anything, but my set of Ford shop manuals for =
78 has a section on FE engines just like it has a section on big blocks, =
small blocks, and M-blocks.

>>> Tony Marino 11-01-99 11:18:44 AM >>>
>time? Also wondering how many folks out there have 1977 and up f series
>trucks with FEs in them? Looking under the hood and underneath the truck
>I'm hard pressed to tell the truck was converted?

I did notice something a while back at the UHAUL station down the street
here in Akron Ohio. They were selling off a bunch of old trucks and I was
curious about the price. Three of the trucks were "standard cabs" with no
beds and dual rear tires. (I don't know what used to be on them) They
were all '78's (early model with round headlights) and under all three
hoods were FE's. Do you think Ford might have offered the FE as an option
for a "commercial" truck application later than '76? I know they banished
them due to emissions laws, possibly this didn't apply to commercial =
trucks?

Just a guess.

Tony
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 11:33:15 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

At 11:11 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>He he he.. That's interesting considering the fact my Uncle had a '73 4x4
>he bought brand new that was an F-100 with disk! 8-) You would think
>there would be a book out there that would answer these little annoying
>type of trivia questions.

I think you just found your next project :) I always thought if it had
disc's on the front it must be a 76+ , or possibly even 75 ... can we still
get parts (aftermarket even?) and just swap the spindles and such to get
the discs ? That would be great for me ...



Are FTE members the only people worried about
>this? 8-)
>
I bet there're other people out there who are wondering it, but don't even
know about this list so they have no way, other than try and see what
happens to find out ...

Weird stuff ... but the 'stangs have the same things too ... my Mom's was
delivered without the right hand 351 emblem on it, so it looks like a 6 or
302 from that side of the car ....


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:51:26 -0500
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stress on ring/pinion at high rpms?

Looking for anyones input on this idea I've been tossing around in my head ...

Looking at running 5.13 gears (in Dana 60 front & rear) with 33" tires. At
highway speeds, coupled with a .68 overdrive (Tremec TKO), the engine (300
six) will be turning 2000-2100 rpms. Thus, the ring and pinion gears are
going to be spinning pretty darn fast at that point. With the use of
synthetic gear lube, is there any danger of abnormal wear and tear on the
differential guts during prolonged highway travel with this setup? after
x-thousands of miles?

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:06:38 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

I think discs were option before '76.
My '75 f100 4x had drums.
-srw

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'65 F100

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From: William S Hart
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Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes


>At 11:11 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>>He he he.. That's interesting considering the fact my Uncle had a '73 4x4
>>he bought brand new that was an F-100 with disk! 8-) You would think
>>there would be a book out there that would answer these little annoying
>>type of trivia questions.
>
>I think you just found your next project :) I always thought if it had
>disc's on the front it must be a 76+ , or possibly even 75 ... can we still
>get parts (aftermarket even?) and just swap the spindles and such to get
>the discs ? That would be great for me ...
>
>
>
> Are FTE members the only people worried about
>>this? 8-)
>>
>I bet there're other people out there who are wondering it, but don't even
>know about this list so they have no way, other than try and see what
>happens to find out ...
>
>Weird stuff ... but the 'stangs have the same things too ... my Mom's was
>delivered without the right hand 351 emblem on it, so it looks like a 6 or
>302 from that side of the car ....
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:43:38 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stress on ring/pinion at high rpms?

>Looking at running 5.13 gears (in Dana 60 front & rear) with 33" tires. At
>highway speeds, coupled with a .68 overdrive (Tremec TKO), the engine (300
>six) will be turning 2000-2100 rpms.

Hmmm, don't have the equation memorized or handy, so I'll take your word
for it ...

Thus, the ring and pinion gears are
>going to be spinning pretty darn fast at that point. With the use of
>synthetic gear lube, is there any danger of abnormal wear and tear on the
>differential guts during prolonged highway travel with this setup? after
>x-thousands of miles?
>
Actually the only thing speeding up will be the driveshaft and pinion right
? Doesn't the ring gear have to turn at the same speed as at least one of
wheels which would actually be turning slower because of the bigger tires
... so I wouldn't think this would really be an issue except if the pinion
is cheap ... only one way to find out ... well there's probably more, but I
can only think of one right now, give it a try .... what were your other
options ?


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:44:39 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fun w/ Ford Blue #205

>I have seen two different shades of blue used on Ford engines. Seems like
>I've seen some '60s Mustang engines that used a darker blue.

I've noticed this too .. sometimes I think its just the Mustang folks going
overboard, but there were two different colors listed at the parts store
where I was getting some for an air cleaner...

Does anyone
>know what years used what shades (lighter and darker)? Were different
>shades of blue used on different vehicle applications at the same time?
>
Dunno this one, but I know 82 was the switch to grey ... in the cars...

Lemme know what you find out if someone emails you privately instead please.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:40:40 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: re:FTE 61-79 - '77 Carb / Vacuum help....

Ryan,

just put a new 2100 on my '67 360 and am having the same problem
finding info about tuning. while at my local library I found
a Mitchell's book of vacuum diagrams. You might want to check
your library's auto reference section if they have one.

If not, email me and i'll get a diagram for you.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 15:44:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electronic control for E4OD tranny

Any of you guys had any experience with: Bauman Engineering & Design
702 S. Mechanic St.
Pendleton, SC. 29670
Ph# (864) 646-8920
Fax# (864) 646-8925
E-mail Greg Baumannengineering.com

They have a write up that sounds awfully good to me. Sounds just like what
I've been looking for..I just want to check them out 1st.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:45:44 -0800
From: "Stephen Lau Jr"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

I have a 64 F-100 stepside and I need some help/advice with it. The
brakes have gone out on it and I'm not sure what to do with it anymore.
The body is in great condition, a local vocational school removed all
the rust, and repainted it. The bed is brand new restored with new
slats of wood. The interior needs help which I've been doing slowly.

Unfortunately, the brakes have gone out on it and I don't have the
resources (mainly space and tools) nor the knowledge to fix it myself.
I've been parking it in my parent's driveway because I live in San
Francisco and don't want to drive it there and leave it on the
streets with iffy brakes.

Anyway, the city where my parents live have decided to declare the
truck a "nuisance" even though it's on private property and has a
fresh paint job! I have to prove that it's driveable otherwise they
will impound it and sell it off. Moving it to another location won't
help
matters because they told me that they would just track it down and
impound it. The law is that a car can't be left "in a state of repair"
in public view or be left in one location for more then 72 hours even
if it's on private property. The truck has always been registered as
an operating vehicle.

Any suggestions or advice? I can't believe they can go onto private
property to tow cars, but I guess they can. It's a very pretty blue
truck with fresh paint, no rust and it doesn't even leak oil. The engine
is still in good shape. It's missing an air cleaner and the acclerator
rod is a little sticky, but other then that, it's a good truck.

Any advice would be helpful. Anyone living near SF that's interested
in working on it or helping me with it? At this point I'm willing to
pay for someone to fix it. The impound date is set for Jan 20th with
no extensions. :(

Steve

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 12:47:57 -0800
From: "Chris Henderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FW: 4x4 driveline noise

I came accross this bit of information and thought I would pass it on.
- -Chris Henderson

Some 1992-'96 F-Series 4x4s may experience a 'clunking' and/or 'grunting'
noise emanating from the driveline during stopping or acceleration. You are
probably thinking the vehicle has bad U-joints, but that was only part of
the problem identified. The noise is enhanced by the slip yoke not sliding
smoothly on the transmission output shaft. This condition is further
amplified by rear suspension wrap-up which overcomes the slip yoke-to-output
shaft friction and results in sudden driveshaft movement. This driveshaft
movement causes the clunk or grunt noise. Replacing only the U-joints will
not solve the problem.

This problem can be corrected quite easily by replacing the slip yoke with
revised part No. E4TZ-4841-BB or F5TZ-4841-EB. The correct revised part
number is determined by measuring the old slip yoke size. The revised part
uses a high phosphate nickel (HPN) coating on the revised slip yoke splines.
The HPN coating improves the sliding characteristics of the slip yoke.
Likewise, a new U-joint PN F2AZ-4635-C or F5TZ-4635-A (depending on slip
yoke size) should also be installed. Just for the record, Ford began
installing the revised slip yoke and U-joint assembly on vehicles built
after August 1, 1996.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:13:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

Stephen wrote:
> I have a 64 F-100 stepside and I need some help/advice with it. The
> brakes have gone out on it and I'm not sure what to do with it anymore.

[snip]

> Anyway, the city where my parents live have decided to declare the
> truck a "nuisance" even though it's on private property and has a
> fresh paint job! I have to prove that it's driveable otherwise they
> will impound it and sell it off. Moving it to another location won't
> help
> matters because they told me that they would just track it down and
> impound it. The law is that a car can't be left "in a state of repair"
> in public view or be left in one location for more then 72 hours even
> if it's on private property. The truck has always been registered as
> an operating vehicle.
>

Wow. Up here in Sonoma County, Rohnert Park has a similar law. But the
vehicle almost has to be up on stands to qualify. As I understand it,
if the vehicle is moved around every 72 hours or so they can't touch it.
Are your brakes good enough to move the truck around every so often? Say,
from driveway to street and back?

If the truck is registered, how do they know if it's driveable? California
has no vehicle inspection program, although if your car is 'totalled' (a
cheesy way of giving insurance companies a way out of fixing your car),
you do need a lamp and brake inspection to TRANSFER ownership. I drove
a totalled car around for a couple of years, only when I sold it did a
flag come up at the dmv stating an inspection was necesary.

All that said, what's with your brakes? We can fix them. We're FTE:-)
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:34:25 -0500
From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 woes

Hi All,The C-6 in my '69 C/S w/a 360 is on it's way out not haveing the
$650.00 to rebuild it,I posted a wanted ad on the FTE classified page.It was
answerd by a person who lives about an hour south of me and said I could
have it for a $100 deliverd.My question is: The tranny is out of a 460 and
he told me I'd have to have the gut's switched in to my C-6.Not haveing the
equip. or a place to do it,I'd have to pay a shop to do it.Will it go or
should I keep looking.As always,Thanks. Mike Elmer

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 13:36:46 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

Yo

Can you give us a little more of a discription of the brakes and what
"went out" on them? Is there fluid leaking from any of the wheels? Do you
have any pedal pressure? The brakes on a 64 are rather simple, single
master cylinder and 4 slave cylinders. I'm sure all it would take is some
new slaves, shoes and maybe the master cylinder. If you also need drums
the cost will go up but all the parts should be handy at the local supply
house.

If there is enough people in the area we might be able to have a little get
together. As Pat said "We are FTE"

Good one Pat I like that ;)

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:54:10 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping

I had a NP435 in my truck also, then switched to the T-18 (the NP got
stolen and replaced with a burnt out tranny from an '81 pickup...) and
noticed that the throws from all the gears is a bit shorter. Also,
concerning this topic, i have a question. With my newly installed T-18
that looked perfect on the inside and has a new top cover, if you give my
truck a little bit of gas, it will pop out of 4th gear, but 4th gear only.
I had the wrong throwout bearing in there, and once i replaced it the
tranny would stay in gear a little bit better, but still pops out at slight
to moderate acceleration...any ideas? Any T-18 guru's out there that i
could confer with? Thanks.

- --Bud (son of Stoney)
1979 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
1976 F-100 302, 3-speed (For Sale)

At 10:32 AM 1/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Michael Connor wrote:
>>
>> Gang,
>>
>> Having run both of these trannies in a jeep I can tell you that Don is on
>> the money
>> about the 435 having an aluminum top cover. If the trans is in the vehicle
>> however,
>> you can tell by where reverse is. On the T18, reverse is to the right
and UP
>> (forward).
>> NP435's reverse is to the right and DOWN (back).
>
> My T-18 has reverse to the right and back (down). I had a 435 before
>the T-18, so I know the difference. One other difference is the way
>shifter mounts to top of case. 435 pushes in and turns, while T--18 has
>small cover that screws onto top of case.
>
> OX
>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:02:31 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping

>tranny would stay in gear a little bit better, but still pops out at slight
>to moderate acceleration...any ideas? Any T-18 guru's out there that i
>could confer with? Thanks.
>

Hmmm, some of the newer 'stangs have a similar problem where it pops out of
gear, supposedly its a bent shift fork ... you might also check the
adjustments, is it possible you're just not getting all the way in gear yet ?


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:12:39 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

Stephen Lau Jr wrote:
>

> Anyway, the city where my parents live have decided to declare the
> truck a "nuisance" even though it's on private property and has a
> fresh paint job! I have to prove that it's driveable otherwise they
> will impound it and sell it off. Moving it to another location won't
> help
> matters because they told me that they would just track it down and
> impound it. The law is that a car can't be left "in a state of repair"
> in public view or be left in one location for more then 72 hours even
> if it's on private property. The truck has always been registered as
> an operating vehicle.

1. How can they track it down if your not driving it around.

2. How do you prove that it is driveable.


> Any suggestions or advice? I can't believe they can go onto private
> property to tow cars, but I guess they can.

I talked to the founder of COVA/CVAG today. He gave me the name of a
guy who is an ex-city planner/zoner. This guy has an organization known
as CARS (Citizens Against Repressive Zoning). They have supposedly
beaten regulations in many towsn/cities around the country. This guy
works with local lawyers all over the country. The guys name is Jack
Down and can be reached at 517-351-6751. I would give him a call to see
if there is anything you can do, even if you are not prepared to fight
this battle. If any of this info is incorrect, please contact Butch of
COVA/CVAG at either butch covacvag.com or 1-800-cars-166.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:20:49 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping

I thought about that, but if you hold the shifter down (really, all you
have to do is put your hand on the shifter under normal acceleration, but
hold it down when I am "getting on it") it doesn't pop out of gear...hmmm.

- --Bud (son of Stoney)
1979 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
1976 F-100 302, 3-speed (For Sale)

At 04:02 PM 1/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>tranny would stay in gear a little bit better, but still pops out at slight
>>to moderate acceleration...any ideas? Any T-18 guru's out there that i
>>could confer with? Thanks.
>>
>
>Hmmm, some of the newer 'stangs have a similar problem where it pops out of
>gear, supposedly its a bent shift fork ... you might also check the
>adjustments, is it possible you're just not getting all the way in gear yet ?
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 14:29:55 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 65 F250 4X4

On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:28:54 -0600, ballingr ldd.net (William L.
Ballinger) wrote:
>
> All '61-'66 F250 4X4's were built on a 120 inch wheelbase, and used
> either a stepside or the '57-'60 styleside bed. Mine has the '57-'60
> styleside bed and an FE and NP435 . You can see it at
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
>
> As far as rare, there weren't many built (less than 2000 in '65
> according to some sources and most had sixes). Most were used in fleets
> and in farm work, so they had a pretty hard way to go. They are really a
> tough truck, and made for work, no creature comforts at all(a heater was
> extra) I'll try to answer anything I can, just let me know.

Gosh, I wonder how rare that makes my '61. It even has the Custom Cab
"De Luxe" heater that has the extra knobs under the dash and you pull
the fan switch knob out for defrost. On my '66 2wd, the defroster
control is way back under the dash and you have to open the hood to turn
off the hot water.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:42:52 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - NP435 vs. T-18 and gear popping

At 04:20 PM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>I thought about that, but if you hold the shifter down (really, all you
>have to do is put your hand on the shifter under normal acceleration, but
>hold it down when I am "getting on it") it doesn't pop out of gear...hmmm.
>
This is what they are having problems with, along with my xfercase (which
was just rebuilt), I'm pretty sure in my case its the adjustment, its just
not getting quite far enough to engage the teeth properly and hold itself
in ...

but I could be all wrong ....


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:44:46 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?

At 11:33 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>I don't know if this means anything, but my set of Ford shop manuals for 78
>has a section on FE engines just like it has a section on big blocks, small
>blocks, and M-blocks.
>
does this just cover 78 trucks ? And does it cover the big trucks too ?
Seems to fit the theory that maybe it was still available in emissions
exempt vehicles for a couple more years ?


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:02:00 -0600
From: "Michael Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE engines up to 1976?

Yep, just 78 Trucks, and yep, it covers the big trucks. I know I've seen =
some F600 references in there, along with the 16 speed trannys :)

>>> William S Hart 11-01-99 4:44:46 PM >>>
At 11:33 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
>I don't know if this means anything, but my set of Ford shop manuals for =
78=20
>has a section on FE engines just like it has a section on big blocks, =
small=20
>blocks, and M-blocks.
>
does this just cover 78 trucks ? And does it cover the big trucks too ?
Seems to fit the theory that maybe it was still available in emissions
exempt vehicles for a couple more years ?


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:36:51 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

Stephen Lau Jr wrote:

> Anyway, the city where my parents live have decided to declare the
> truck a "nuisance" even though it's on private property and has a
> fresh paint job! I have to prove that it's driveable otherwise they
> will impound it and sell it off. Moving it to another location won't

The whole issue seems to center on the concept that if it's visible and
it doesn't move, it's a nuisance. Removing the truck from view SHOULD
solve the problem. So far as I know, it's still legal to park a car in
a garage, whether it is drivable or not. Have you considered public
storage? You know, one of those "lock and leave" places. I don't know
about CA, but here in Cincinnati it's about $50-70 a month for a
car-sized
storage bay. Not a permanent solution, but it should resolve the issue,
at least temporarily.

As for the mechanical problems, brake work isn't all that difficult, and
on that truck would only need common hand tools and maybe a brake
bleeder.
If you're not sure how to do it, run down to the local library or parts
store and find a Chiltons or Haynes manual. It'll tell you all you need
to know. I guarantee that you ARE capable of doing it yourself. I'd
advise myself but I don't know what sort of brake problems you are
having.
As a last resort, Midas and CarX can do brake work for you; even though
it's old, parts should still be available. Sometimes you can get one of
the mechanics at those places to do work on the side. Check around.

Mark.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:02:39 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb Questions?

Arlene Mason wrote:

> engine back together because the guys want a 4v). So, the question is,
> which 4 barrel carb do you suggest? We have been looking at the
> Edlebrock 600, but, I don't know much about it. I really don't want
> one that you would have to "fiddle" with a lot, as in adjusting it all
> the time. Can you help?

The Edelbrocks are great carburetors. You set 'em once and forget 'em.
They're basically revamps of the old Carters from years ago, and they
are solid and reliable. They don't make as much "all out" power as a
Holley, but you don't have to adjust them every twenty minutes, either.
I had an Edelbrock 500 cfm on my old 1964 Comet (289 V8) and I only
adjusted it twice in the three years I owned it (aside from initial
setup). It always started right up, idled well, and turned in some
pretty good performance. Not race-level performance, but it'd still
haul when I got on it, and I embarrassed more than a few IROC-Z owners.
The engine was mostly stock, aside from headers, electronic ignition,
a mild Crane cam, an open-element air cleaner, and a Performer intake.

One thing I've noted on them, they seem to be a little sensitive to
dirt in the fuel. Make sure you have a good fuel filter (I ran two)
and change it regularly.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:24:22 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

>I have a 64 F-100 stepside and I need some help/advice with it. The
>brakes have gone out on it and I'm not sure what to do with it anymore.
>The body is in great condition, a local vocational school removed all
>the rust, and repainted it. The bed is brand new restored with new
>slats of wood. The interior needs help which I've been doing slowly.
>
>Anyway, the city where my parents live have decided to declare the
>truck a "nuisance" even though it's on private property and has a
>fresh paint job! I have to prove that it's driveable otherwise they
>will impound it and sell it off. Moving it to another location won't
>help
>matters because they told me that they would just track it down and
>impound it. The law is that a car can't be left "in a state of repair"
>in public view or be left in one location for more then 72 hours even
>if it's on private property. The truck has always been registered as
>an operating vehicle.

The truck sounds to be in better condition that half the trucks I see on
the road up here! I guess in California you don't exactly take a vehicle
off the road while you drive your "winter beater" :-) If the vehicle is
registered as an operating vehicle I don't see why they can be calling it
"in a state of repair." Up here in Ontario, if you are registering a
vehicle you need a safety certificate from the garage but once the vehicle
is registered you can pretty much let it go to...well you know. Unless the
cops pull you over for some sort of blatant safety violation, no one is
going to check whether your parking brake are working properly or if there
are any gaping holes in the floor of the cab. Unless the city officials
have nothing better to do than monitor how long a vehicle is sitting in the
driveway, I'd figure your parents have some crabby neighbours...

>Any suggestions or advice? I can't believe they can go onto private
>property to tow cars, but I guess they can. It's a very pretty blue
>truck with fresh paint, no rust and it doesn't even leak oil. The engine
>is still in good shape. It's missing an air cleaner and the acclerator
>rod is a little sticky, but other then that, it's a good truck.

The missing cleaner should be easily replaced with an simple aftermarket
one if you can't get an original. The accelerator can be loosened up with a
bit of lubricant and those brakes can't be too hard to fix. Your other
options are to push it into a neighbours driveway for 3 days, than back
into the parents for another 3...build tent around it...take all 4 tires
off and drop it onto the ground...course if they got serious about towing
it then they would probably trash the truck while picking it up...

You'd figure a city administration who are probably from that older
generation would feel a little nostalgic about an old Ford truck in such
nice condition. The law was obviously written for rusted out clunkers that
belong in the crusher than sitting in a driveway...

Oh well, let's fix that truck up...it should be out cruising the streets
anyways!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1989 19:35:15 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny & Oil Pressure

Couple of Questions:

1st, my oil pressure. Installed a new oil pump around 8,000 or so miles
ago. And just recently it has started doing this. Cruising down the road
no matter what rmp it reads around 25psi or so. If you push on the gas
though, the pressure goes down, but when you let off on the gas, it jumped
to like 40 or 50, till you press on the gas again. I dont know if that has
anything to do with the weather that we are having considering that it is
been below freezing for 2 weeks and im running 10w40. I dont think it
would matter, but...

2nd. Im running a C6 and was looking at maybe going to an overdrive
tranny? I at first looked at maybe a manual which is what I really want.
But I dont have the funds to lengthen/shorten driveshafs, new cluth, etc.
So I decided that I want to go to an overdirve automatic? Is there any
certan ones I can use? Without doing huge modifications? its a 4x4,
Np205, 460. If that helps any. Also is there any other years of colums
that I could use that would have overdrive on the shifter? It dosent have
to be a direct bolt in, just something that will work, I can do the
modifications..


Thanx,
cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:13:11 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - slack in timing chain?

Dear Friends,
I just bought a used 460 from a 70 model lincoln. I have been checking it
over . With the plugs out and with me turning the crank, i can feel slack in
the timing chain. Is this ok? Please let me know, before i install this
engine.
Thanks,
Boon
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:45:09 -0500
From: Marc A Stine
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm

Anybody know of an easy way to pull a pitman arm? I've tried two
different sized three jawed pullers and this darn thing won't come off.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 22:50:53 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Impounding my F-100

>If there is enough people in the area we might be able to have a little get
>together. As Pat said "We are FTE"
>
>Good one Pat I like that ;)
>

Nothing like a "virtual hand-holding" to get you through
a job! I'm glad I had you guys around when I changed
out the rear axle on my 67 almost 2 years ago.

Ken Payne


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:46:04 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pitman arm

>Anybody know of an easy way to pull a pitman arm? I've tried two
>different sized three jawed pullers and this darn thing won't come off.
>
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There is a specific tool called a pitman arm puller available at most
places
that rent automotive tools. Works good.

Hope this helps,

Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:01:22 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes

My 68 F-250 Camper Special has dual piston calipers.

Jeff

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> From: sam weatherby
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:06 AM
>
> I think discs were option before '76.
> My '75 f100 4x had drums.
> -srw
>
> Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
> SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
> '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
> '93 F-150 XLT Lightning
> '98 HD FXD Super Glide
> '65 F100
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S Hart
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc brakes
>
>
> >At 11:11 AM 1/11/99 , you wrote:
> >>He he he.. That's interesting considering the fact my Uncle had a '73
4x4
> >>he bought brand new that was an F-100 with disk! 8-) You would think
> >>there would be a book out there that would answer these little annoying
> >>type of trivia questions.
> >
> >I think you just found your next project :) I always thought if it had
> >disc's on the front it must be a 76+ , or possibly even 75 ... can we
still
> >get parts (aftermarket even?) and just swap the spindles and such to get
> >the discs ? That would be great for me ...
> >
> >
> >
> > Are FTE members the only people worried about
> >>this? 8-)
> >>
> >I bet there're other people out there who are wondering it, but don't
even
> >know about this list so they have no way, other than try and see what
> >happens to find out ...
> >
> >Weird stuff ... but the 'stangs have the same things too ... my Mom's
was
> >delivered without the right hand 351 emblem on it, so it looks like a 6
or
> >302 from that side of the car ....
> >
> >
> >Just my 2cents
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/cars.html
> >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Trucks/truck.html
> >'96 Mustang GT
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Cars/mustang.html
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