FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 062

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?
FTE 61-79 - Blowby
FTE 61-79 - Measuring distances
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re. Emissions and major model modifications
FTE 61-79 - Emissions and major model modifications
FTE 61-79 - Tranny input shaft
FTE 61-79 - New list member
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube/ATF flush
FTE 61-79 - Fuel level sending unit
FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
FTE 61-79 - John's good mood
FTE 61-79 - gas tank sending unit
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - warm up
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?
FTE 61-79 - Oil Leaks
Re: FTE 61-79 - stroker 302 and 351
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Brother?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Help with swap Auto for stick
FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping
FTE 61-79 - Emissions and major model modifications
FTE 61-79 - John's good mood
FTE 61-79 - ignorance and the driveshaft
FTE 61-79 - Continuing tranny woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?
FTE 61-79 - Continuing tranny woes
FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown
Re: FTE 61-79 - John's good mood
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd
FTE 61-79 - Something for those in Washington to do...
FTE 61-79 - Steeromg Col Rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:10:12 -0500
From: "Harvey, Blaine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?

Anyone know what were the engine/tranny combos offered with the 65 half
ton?

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 06:15:33 EST
From: TBeeee

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

In a message dated 2/24/99 12:10:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SWeatherby

uswest.net writes:

> I have never seen SWMBO used anywhere but here.

Some thing that Ford Trucks are Single White Males Biggest Obstacle--

She's wrong though......IMHO, FWIW....you know the rest....

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:30:34 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

Upon considerable consideration I will postulate the following
concerning the human brain and car batteries, you figure out
which is for which.

I don't think much, therefore I might not be.
I don't get used much, therefore I am not fully charged.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
* * * * * * * * * * * * * *

> Isn't Metaphorisis kind of like Analogitis, an English teacher's disease?
> I once knew a philosopher w/ a bad case of syllogism, but he was a logical
> positivist anyway and besides, in some circles, philosophy itself is
> considered a mental illness.
>
> BTW, working on Ford trucks is a cure for all these conditions (FTE
> content?)
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)

Dammit Dave, you've done it now. Now she knows. My SWMBO majored in
philosophy and now is questioning her very existence. Babbles something
about the Cartesian paradox, and the Mind-Body problem. I turned her on
to Hiedegger's form of Existentialism, and geez...who ever thought the
concept of being and time would be so hard to understand. To me it's
simple; We're here because we're here, roll the damn bones...

She's just now getting over my theory that since a car battery has many
of the same elements as a human brain, it may possibly be as capable of
intelligent thought as many human beings are...

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:31:53 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?

I don't know what the exact combinations were ,but here's what
was available;
TYPE CODE
3-Speed Ford standard duty A
3-Speed Ford w/Warner T86 overdrive B
3-Speed Warner T89-C (MD) D
3-Speed Warner T87-E (HD) E
4-Speed Warner T98-A F
3-Speed HD Cruise-O-Matic G
4-Speed New Process 435 N

ENGINE CODE CYL. CID HP COMP
CARB
J 6 240 150
8.75:1 1BC
B 6 300 170
8.0:1 1BC
D 8 352 208
8.9:1 2BC

I hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250 352 FE 4V 4
speed

"Harvey, Blaine" wrote:

> Anyone know what were the engine/tranny combos offered with the 65 half
> ton?
>
> Thanks
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:41:19 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blowby

Justin,

Just an odd thought. Be sure you have the right oil filter. My
mother-in-law's car was forever having oil pressure problems and it only
had 40k miles. At the most unusual and random times the oil pressure light
would illuminate. I decided to change the oil and filter. Lo and behold the
quickie lube joint had put the wrong filter on her car. Presto, no more oil
pressure problems.

Just a thought.

- -John

jlagrone

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Measuring distances

Don Rositch writes: >>Pardon my intrusion, but I was led to believe that
distance in Texas is measured in six-packs of beer (...It's about three
six-packs from Dallas to Fort Worth).

If it is 3 six-packs from Dallas to Ft. Worth, then it would take an 18 wheeler
to carry enough to get from Texarkana to El Paso. Right???

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:29:40 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re. Emissions and major model modifications

David Wadson wrote:
>
>
> >Technically, it goes by the frame.
>
> By frame I take it that constitutes the two side rails and the few
> crossmembers holding them together? I went over mine with a a grinder and
> wire brush removing rust while rebuilding my truck (should have got a
> sandblaster...) and I didn't see any identification numbers on the frame
> itself.

Here is a post I got from a guy who dismantles/rebuilds 70's trucks
all the time. I was asking about a 78 Bronco, so I'm not sure if it
applies to all models. His address is FORDTRKNUT

aol.com and his name is
Wayne. I think he is on this list.

> The only VIN numbers are one the door tag (rivited metal tag), the door
> sticker (on the cab piller), stamped on the frame in front of the passenger
> side front body mount (one under the passenger's feet when seated), and you
> may or may not have the tag the is "Stappled" to the cowl towards the middle
> of the firewall......

OX
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:50:59 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emissions and major model modifications

wish wrote
>>then just factor in some laziness on the inspectors part

AND if one inspector doesn't pass it, ask around about one that is more
likely to. At least that's the way it works down here. Some inspectors are
full of it and will not pass anything. In Teaxs the inspectors are usually
repair shops. Many of the shops make their money by failing everyone and
then doing the needed repairs. They collect two inspection fees and a
repair bill. I have been to some inspectors who intentionally and
maliciously destroyed some item on the vehicle so that it would fail, ie.
windshield wipers. Brand new wiper refills don't tear 35 minutes after
being installed. He's out of business now, yuk, yuk. I wonder who turned
him in........

- -John

jlagrone

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny input shaft

Darrell Duggan writes: >>Then I yanked on the torque converter, and the
small input shaft came with it.
Do you think my Torque Converter is ok? I used the broken input shaft as a
handle and spun everything, no wobble, no grinding or anything.

I haven't been in a C6 in quite a while, but I seem to remember that the input
shaft just slides in/out - not held in by anything but the TC on that end and
the frontclutch/drum on the other end. Splined on both ends. Turns the front
drum/clutch from the TC.

Yes I think your TC is OK, but I would take it to a reputable Transmission shop
that has a TC "shaker" and have them flush it out. Any FORD garage should have
one as well as local shops that do a lot of trannys.

All JMHO.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:59:08 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New list member

All right Shane, another Texan on line. I'm in Killeen. There are a bunch
more of us FTE scattered about the Lone Star.

Custom denotes the trim level of the base model and to some extent the
available options. In general the Custom is not as fancy as the other
models like the XLT.

>>I often have to pull out other trucks. I tell them I have Ford-Wheel-Drive
Especially if they are sporting a bowtie! It is amazing what a competent
driver can do with a good truck.

- -John

jlagrone

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel level sending unit

Someone wrote (and yew I forgot who already): >>If anyone knows of a source for
OEM replacement sending units to fit a
74 F-350 Super Camper Special please e-mail me at dacoady

hotmail.com.
I need the unit for the rear tank and would like to find one that is
calibrated to the original guage, as opposed to an aftermarket generic
unit.

I haven't personally tried this, but lots of Ford trucks of this vintage came
with rear gas tanks, and I would think that any of them would work. Basically
they are the same capacity and physically the same dimensions, aren't they??? I
have 2 or three of them lying around my shop, and another one on an old '79
junker. Have you tried the parts dept at Ford??? Is there something that makes
the Camper Special rear tank special or different???

I also have 2 of the "in-cab" types for the F250's and F350's that came
equipped that way. Not that these have any relevancy to the current subject.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:15:34 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

>I have a 64 F100 that has had a 360 with a C6 installed before I purchased
it. >I have rebuilt the motor and have been driving it for a few weeks.
When I went >to connect the kick down linkage back I could not get it to
fit correctly. No >matter where I bend this linkage it never fits. Someone
else had modified it >long ago before myself. I was thinking of buying a
cable type kick down from >Summit Racing. I would like to know how to
adjust this linkage correctly when I >get it. Will this linkage cause any
changes in the way my trans shifts from 1st >to 2nd to 3rd in a very short
time and won't shift backward from 3rd to 2nd to >1st without stopping?
>
Do they make a kit specifically for Fords, or are you planning on adapting
something? The reason I ask is that the Ford setup is a "push" deal where
the rod pushes down towards the engine. You can't get a cable to push.

Is it possible that the rod is in upside-down? You can get it in there
like that but it will hit stuff.

The kickdown rod on a Ford is only for "forced" downshift on a C6. The
shift points and low-speed downshift is determined by the modulator.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:15:33 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - John's good mood

>Pardon my intrusion, but I was led to believe that distance in Texas is
>measured in six-packs of beer (...It's about three six-packs from Dallas
>to Fort Worth).
>
THREE SIX-PACKS? It's about 30 miles from FW to Dallas, at 60mph, you will
need to pound more than one beer every 2 minutes. Hell, maybe I'm getting
old, but count me OUT.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

inetport.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:10:42 EST
From: BDIJXS

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gas tank sending unit

Guys,

You might try Ford, I bought two of them a couple of years ago for my 69'
saddle tanks....

CJ
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:18:07 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

>something? The reason I ask is that the Ford setup is a "push" deal where
>the rod pushes down towards the engine. You can't get a cable to push.
>
Ah yes, one of the 3 things on an engineers crib sheet ... F=MA, E=IR, and
you can't push a rope...

Good things to remember ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:24:50 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking

bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube

>I tried doing mine the other day but couldn't get the fitting into the
>little space...

> You can get angled grease fittings or you can drop one end of the
>drive shaft,put a C clamp on the U-joint and pump it full of grease.

>Are we talkin driveshafts (slip joints) or U-joints ?

I was refering to the U joints on my drive shaft {that I couldn't get a grease fitting
on}. I don't know the proper name, but the fitting is located inside the "U" joint
between the groves on the "U's". They are the only fittings that I see on, or
close to the drive shaft. Am I making sense?

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:30:19 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking

bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - warm up

>I think letting it have a minute or 2 to get oil circulated,
> then putting it under light/moderate load is the best way to go to minimize
> startup wear.

> Steve

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize
... you should have listened to Steve...
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:33:08 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking

bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

>something? The reason I ask is that the Ford setup is a "push" deal where
>the rod pushes down towards the engine. You can't get a cable to push.
>
>Ah yes, one of the 3 things on an engineers crib sheet ... F=MA, E=IR, and
>you can't push a rope...

Ok, so then how does one close a manual choke?
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:35:55 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube

>>I tried doing mine the other day but couldn't get the fitting into the
>>little space...
>
>> You can get angled grease fittings or you can drop one end of the
>>drive shaft,put a C clamp on the U-joint and pump it full of grease.
>
>>Are we talkin driveshafts (slip joints) or U-joints ?
>
>
>I was refering to the U joints on my drive shaft {that I couldn't get a
>grease fitting
>on}. I don't know the proper name, but the fitting is located inside the
>"U" joint
>between the groves on the "U's". They are the only fittings that I see
on, or
>close to the drive shaft. Am I making sense?
>
Yeah I think so, in the original message when they said to be sure and
grease your drive shafts, I thought they meant the slip joints ... just a
little confusion, thanks for clearing it up.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 07:39:16 -0800 (PST)
From: rositch

SLAC.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube

Bryan,
Try rotating the driveshaft to get a better angle (wider) between the
joints (jacking up the back of the truck might help). If that doesn't
work, it's time to head to the local parts store for a slimmer grease
gun fitting.

Good Luck,
Don Rositch
'66 F250 NASCAR Shop Truck
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:47:16 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William S Hart
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

>>something? The reason I ask is that the Ford setup is a "push" deal where
>>the rod pushes down towards the engine. You can't get a cable to push.

What about my lawnmower throttle cable????
>
Smeck

>>
>Ah yes, one of the 3 things on an engineers crib sheet ... F=MA, E=IR, and
>you can't push a rope...
>
>Good things to remember ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:43:25 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

>>Ah yes, one of the 3 things on an engineers crib sheet ... F=MA, E=IR, and
>>you can't push a rope...
>
>Ok, so then how does one close a manual choke?

I believe on pushes on a single strand cable, that has a nice housing
around it to direct its motion ... just a hunch though ...

The whole point though is that the strength of most things is much higher
in tension than compression .... raise your hand if you've ever bent a
rusted choke cable after you managed to pull it and then tried to push on
it ??

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:45:36 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 engine/tranny options?

Let's see if this one is readable. Sorry about that last jumbled mess.

Ted Wnorowski wrote:

> I don't know what the exact combinations were ,but here's what
> was available;
> TYPE CODE
> 3-Speed Ford standard duty A
> 3-Speed Ford w/Warner T86 overdrive B
> 3-Speed Warner T89-C (MD) D
> 3-Speed Warner T87-E (HD) E
> 4-Speed Warner T98-A F
> 3-Speed HD Cruise-O-Matic G
> 4-Speed New Process 435 N
>
> ENGINE CODE CYL. CID HP COMP CARB
>
> J 6 240 150 8.75:1 1BC
>
> B 6 300 170 8.0:1 1BC
>
> D 8 352 208 8.9:1 2BC
>
>
> I hope this helps,
> Ted Wnorowski
> Bellevue,OH
> '64 F-250 352 FE 4V 4speed
>
>
> "Harvey, Blaine" wrote:
>
> > Anyone know what were the engine/tranny combos offered with the 65 half
> > ton?
> >
> > Thanks
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:50:42 -0500 (EST)
From: FORD-TRUCK-70

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil Leaks

Hello all
Has anyone on this list ever try engine stop leak for temporary repair ?
I have a couple of major oil leaks . I plan on puting in new gaskets and
seals in about a month when i put in new main bearings but i would like
to stop or at least slow down the leaks until then . will this gunk up
my motor ? thanks for any help
Randy
1977 F250 4x4 351m
1978 F150 2wd 351m
1970 F100 2wd 351w

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:53:30 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stroker 302 and 351

But the A4 351 can handle alot more more than 700 hp! Dreaming of a 363
how about a 427 small block!
If I build something I want to know its reliable I have seen 700 hp on a
stock 351W block and actually stock complete bottom end!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:41:18 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

In a message dated 2/24/99 6:31:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jstrauss

inetport.com writes:

>>

On the contrary, so long as the cable is secured proberly it can push. My
F-600 has a cable operated PTO. Pull to set, push to disengage. No return
springs or anything.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" (still waiting)
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:43:34 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tweety's Brother?

F-350 Super Camper Special please e-mail me at dacoady

hotmail.com. >>

Just out of curiosity, what size engine does your have?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:57:11 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube

Ya know, if someone has replaced the U-Joints, and didnt think about it when
he did it, they could be installed backwards, pointing the zerk in a direction
not even a needle will get to. We found this out the hard way on a friends
truck, ended up dropping the shaft again to fix it.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:50:10 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

Thanks for your message at 08:57 PM 2/23/99 -0800, sam weatherby. Your
message was:
>I have never seen SWMBO used anywhere but here.
>I feel like such an outsider...
>
If you drive a Ford Truck, you will never be an outsider, except in the
best sense of the word (outside GM)...

Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:59:20 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

Thanks for your message at 01:30 PM 2/24/99 -0000, Jeff Carver. Your
message was:
>Upon considerable consideration I will postulate the following
>concerning the human brain and car batteries, you figure out
>which is for which.
>
>I don't think much, therefore I might not be.
>I don't get used much, therefore I am not fully charged.

I might add:
If I am not fully charged, I might be dead.
If I might be dead, I might not be...

Makes perfect sense to me. That's why I'm worried...
Of course, this a battery in a 1966 Ford F250 thinking (FTE Content).

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:03:33 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

Thanks for your message at 08:15 AM 2/24/99 -0600, John Strauss. Your
message was:
>The kickdown rod on a Ford is only for "forced" downshift on a C6. The
>shift points and low-speed downshift is determined by the modulator.

Is that the same for a C4 ?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:18:17 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

>From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
>
>> BTW, working on Ford trucks is a cure for all these conditions (FTE
>> content?)
>
>Dammit Dave, you've done it now. Now she knows. My
>SWMBO majored in philosophy and now is questioning her
>very existence.

Yo Bill:

I have often said that Jean Paul would never have been such a sour-puss if
he had only experienced the joys of hopping up a 428 Cobra Jet, or even
just replacing the ring and pinion in a 9" rear end. As for Marty, I don't
think he ever contemplated (much less experienced) the true angst one feels
while limping home the last 10 miles w/ a busted rod banging around loose
inside a 351C after gazing piteously into the taillights of a C*maro. Talk
about yer existential downer....

>She's just now getting over my theory that since a
>car battery has many of the same elements as a
>human brain, it may possibly be as capable of
>intelligent thought as many human beings are...

Some of those new fancy-schmancy "gel" electrolyte batteries might be even
more so.

Dave R (M-block devotee)

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:28:07 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

I'm looking at a really good looking truck, 72 Custom Sport F103
390 Motor, manual tranny, manual steering.
The transfer case looks like a single speed (no low range), and is
marked Dana 21
both axles also look like they are marked D11
It has warn hubs.
(Non stock is 4" lift,diamond-plate rear bumber, roll bar)

It's missing the main tank (under the bed) but has one behind the
seat.

Questions are about how good is this truck what's it worth
is the rear end limited slip, how solid are the axles and transfer
case.
Would this do well in mud/ snow?

I have the vin, etc if someone knows how to decode it.
VIN: F10YRH15881
F103 TRANS AXLE
G A1

Any info, insights, thoughts, etc would be great.

Thanks!
- -josh
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:24:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

Sam pondered:
> I have never seen SWMBO used anywhere but here.
> I feel like such an outsider...

You must not get out too much Sam:-)
A DejaNews search on "SWMBO" turns up 719 matches in the recent
catalog, in such usenet groups as rec.woodworking, rec.crafts.
metalworking, alt.smokers.cigars. Then there is the phonetic
"SHMBO" . . But, lets get back to trucks before Peggy gets after
us:-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California where SWMBO is aka Kathy
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:39:46 -0800
From: Greg Walton
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes

I've got a 400 in my '65 F100 that presents the same crossmember
'oilcatcher' problem. Is it possible to switch out the pan for one that has
a rear mount plug?

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:47:34 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Let's see if I can get this to come out half-way decent:
F10= F-100 (4x2)
Y= 360 cid, 8 cyl
R= San Jose, CA
H= ?
15881= the consecutive unit # which would put it in Nov. of '71
Are you sure the H isn't an N?
F103=5000lb G.V.W.
Trans. G= according to one book it's a C-6 3-speed auto
another lists 2 choices; C-4 auto and a Clark 380 overdrive 5-speed?
A1= I see no listing for an A1 axle code in either listing.
The more I look I think your looking at a VIN tag from an early production 1970 F-100.
I'll have to look later for more info, but the axle and the trany code make more sense also.
Gotta get ready for work!!!!

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue
Josh Assing wrote:

> I'm looking at a really good looking truck, 72 Custom Sport F103
> 390 Motor, manual tranny, manual steering.
> The transfer case looks like a single speed (no low range), and is
> marked Dana 21
> both axles also look like they are marked D11
> It has warn hubs.
> (Non stock is 4" lift,diamond-plate rear bumber, roll bar)
>
> It's missing the main tank (under the bed) but has one behind the
> seat.
>
> Questions are about how good is this truck what's it worth
> is the rear end limited slip, how solid are the axles and transfer
> case.
> Would this do well in mud/ snow?
>
> I have the vin, etc if someone knows how to decode it.
> VIN: F10YRH15881
> F103 TRANS AXLE
> G A1
>
> Any info, insights, thoughts, etc would be great.
>
> Thanks!
> -josh
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:26:14 -0500
From: Joe
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help with swap Auto for stick

With spring near, I am geting ready to swap my 4spd for a C-6 in my
68 4x4(390)..What all is needed besides the c6/205 t-case???
I have the column and kickdown linkage too..Will my driveshafts work??
Or will I need the ones from a donor vehicle???My 68 has the
2piece rear driveshaft .What about the front one?
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:36:30 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping

>>Here in Canada emissions testing isnt required :-)

Don, this isn't a dig at our good Canadian neighbors, but rather at our
less than fully functional Congress. Why do we in the US even bother with
pollution control and the hole in the ozone when most of the rest of the
world doesn't give a corn cob? Canada does care, but there a whole big
bunch of third world nations that care about nothing more than making their
leaders rich and/or famous. For a "free republic" we are pretty socialistic
and getting more so all of the time. I hope I can keep lunch down..........

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:27:22 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emissions and major model modifications

>>...but you're in Texas. We're in the USA :-)
Dennis L. Pearson

A point well taken. Even the Texas Tourism Council advertises us as A Whole
Other Country.

- -John

jlagrone

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 11:43:05 -0800
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

> F10= F-100 (4x2)
So far, it seems right

> Y= 360 cid, 8 cyl
The owner swears it's a 390. Maybe an engine swap? Anyway to
tell easily? (The only other ford I've owned is a 5.0 mustang)

> H= ?
> 15881= the consecutive unit # which would put it in Nov. of '71
He says it's a 72 model; which would make sense for nov 71

> Are you sure the H isn't an N?
Could be, it was raining when I wrote it down...

> F103=5000lb G.V.W.
> Trans. G= according to one book it's a C-6 3-speed auto
> another lists 2 choices; C-4 auto and a Clark 380
> overdrive 5-speed?
It's a 4 speed manual. low + 3 speed. (and reverse)

> The more I look I think your looking at a VIN tag from an early
> production 1970 F-100.
Could be. the guy that owns it admits he doesn't know too much
about it. he got it becuase someone owned him money; and
couldn't pay.

> I'll have to look later for more info, but the axle and the trany code
Thanks!

Cheers
- -josh
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:44:13 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

>>She's just now getting over my theory that since a car battery has many
of the same elements as a human brain, it may possibly be as capable of
intelligent thought as many human beings are...

Dang it! I can't resist any longer. Forgive me, I'm weak! The battery has
got to be more capable than some of these middle school students I've met.
Anyway, they both release toxic gases.

- -John

jlagrone

sprint.ca

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:46:53 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Continuing tranny woes

Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:48:08 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Continuing tranny woes

Do you think my Torque Converter is ok? I used the broken input shaft as a
handle and spun everything, no wobble, no grinding or anything.

- -------------------
NO. Any crap from the tranny is in the converter and has probably lunched
it. I have heard of several people who grenaded a transmission and then
torched the new one because they reused the old converter. Don't reuse the
old one. Use this as an opportunity/excuse to go to a performance
converter.

Tom H
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 12:46:52 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

From: "Shane Bevel"

Hey guys,

The only problems I have with the truck right now are in the front end.
There is
some major steering slop in the truck. A friend says on his 76 F250 that
was always caused by the steering box. But another friend of mine had
the truck on a lift a while back and said that the bushings in the
steering assy (drag ling etc) were fried. Any suggestions on where to
start? This and the bad front shocks make for a scarry combo on the
highways!

My other question is concerning lift. How hard (read expensive) is it to
lift the front end of these trucks? I would like mine to sit level like
a 250 or a 4x4. This is mainly so that I can put a 33" tire under it.
The truck does very well off road for having an open diff and I often
have to pull out other trucks. I tell them I have Ford-Wheel-Drive.
Really pisses 'em off. Thanks in advance.

- ---------------------------------
Shane,
Greetings and salutations. Welcome to the group. Sounds like a great
truck.

Re your problem, steering looseness.
1. By all means fix what your friend suggested if you trust his mechanical
ability.
2. Check the rag joint. Located between the steering column and the
steering box.
Check it by having someone rock the steering wheel while you watch the
linkage
under the hood. The rag joint is easy to replace and not too expensive
for the
safety it gives. (I was pulled over on a suspected DWI with a bad rag
joint)
3. Replace the shocks.
4. I've done all that and the truck is much better but is still interesting
at the speeds
you mention. It could be an aerodynamic lift effect on the truck. Get
up to speed
and a high pressure area develops under the hood wanting to lift the
truck which is
then easier to blow around the road. An air dam would help this as
would restricting
the air intake at the grill (ala NASCAR). Unfortunately an airdam
doesn't lend itself
to offroading.

Lifting the truck
Not easy. The twin I beam suspension doesn't lend itself well to altering
ride height.
You would probably need to use different I beams that incorporate a lift in
them. The
problem is as the truck is lifted or lowered the tires tend to tilt and ride
on the inside or
outside edge. There is no adjustment to correct the tilt (camber?) of the
tire. This may
be why Ford discontinued the TIB suspension on new models. Tow truck
drivers
don't like this design for that reason as well. Load the truck, back
squats, front lifts and
tires wear out the edges. The good news is that when set up right it keeps
alignment
really well and the only adjustment needed should be toe in.

Good luck
Tom H.

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:17:52 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

>tire. This may
>be why Ford discontinued the TIB suspension on new models. Tow truck

Except that its back in the Super-Duty trucks ... just the 1/2 ton and
light duty 3/4s lost the twin I beam ... at least that's my understanding
... also back in the super dutys is a nice solid front axle!

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:39:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 kickdown

> in tension than compression .... raise your hand if you've ever bent a
> rusted choke cable after you managed to pull it and then tried to push on
> it ??

I used to have to jump out, pop the hood, and manually close the choke
the last few bits on a Holley 600 with manual choke--the cable I was
using didn't have a rigid enough housing for that last push. Next
time I rig up a manual choke, I think I'll use a push-pull setup
similar to a motorcycle throttle...

- --sean
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:46:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - John's good mood

> I think Texas now
> has an open container law which precludes either.

Yah. I was living there when they passed the "no drinking and driving"
law, effectively eliminating the popular East Texas sport of driving
around the back roads in your pickup truck while drinking beer and
tossing the empties into the bed around the window pillar :).

Probably oughta add a few more smileys, since the above is a fond
tweak rather than a slam. :0 :0

- --sean

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 13:59:03 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

>Except that its back in the Super-Duty trucks ... just the 1/2 ton and
>light duty 3/4s lost the twin I beam ... at least that's my understanding
>... also back in the super dutys is a nice solid front axle!
>

You contradicted yourself there...
In the past TTB existed on 4x 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. 1 ton's had solid
axle.
Now F250SD and F350SD and F450SD have solid axles.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:04:50 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

At 03:59 PM 2/24/99 , you wrote:
>>Except that its back in the Super-Duty trucks ... just the 1/2 ton and
>>light duty 3/4s lost the twin I beam ... at least that's my understanding
>>... also back in the super dutys is a nice solid front axle!
>You contradicted yourself there...

>In the past TTB existed on 4x 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. 1 ton's had solid
>axle.
>Now F250SD and F350SD and F450SD have solid axles.

The 4x4's have the solid axle is what I meant to say ... sorry about that,
my brain got ahead of my fingers again ...

TTB is a 4x4 system too, twin traction beam, TIB is the 4x2 system ... twin
I beam ... at least that's the way I understand things ...
Sorry about the mixup ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:07:31 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

You are right.
I misunderstood your post.
I am so used to 4x being the norm and 2x's being uncommon and unwanted. Now
have 2 2x's...
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby

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'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100

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From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

>At 03:59 PM 2/24/99 , you wrote:
>>>Except that its back in the Super-Duty trucks ... just the 1/2 ton and
>>>light duty 3/4s lost the twin I beam ... at least that's my
understanding
>>>... also back in the super dutys is a nice solid front axle!
>>You contradicted yourself there...
>
>
>>In the past TTB existed on 4x 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. 1 ton's had solid
>>axle.
>>Now F250SD and F350SD and F450SD have solid axles.
>
>The 4x4's have the solid axle is what I meant to say ... sorry about that,
>my brain got ahead of my fingers again ...
>
>TTB is a 4x4 system too, twin traction beam, TIB is the 4x2 system ... twin
>I beam ... at least that's the way I understand things ...
>Sorry about the mixup ...
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
>Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 15:01:17 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for info on 72 "Custom Sport" 4wd

Let me know if you don't buy it, I possible would be interested in this
truck.

Mike in Seattle

Josh Assing wrote:

> I'm looking at a really good looking truck, 72 Custom Sport F103
> 390 Motor, manual tranny, manual steering.
> The transfer case looks like a single speed (no low range), and is
> marked Dana 21
> both axles also look like they are marked D11
> It has warn hubs.
> (Non stock is 4" lift,diamond-plate rear bumber, roll bar)
>
> It's missing the main tank (under the bed) but has one behind the
> seat.
>
> Questions are about how good is this truck what's it worth
> is the rear end limited slip, how solid are the axles and transfer
> case.
> Would this do well in mud/ snow?
>
> I have the vin, etc if someone knows how to decode it.
> VIN: F10YRH15881
> F103 TRANS AXLE
> G A1
>
> Any info, insights, thoughts, etc would be great.
>
> Thanks!
> -josh
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:56:23 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Something for those in Washington to do...

Tomorrow night Pete Brock, the father of the Cobra Daytona Coupe will be
speaking in Auburn, Wa.
This is Sponsored by the Washington Shelby American automobile Club
(WaSaac).
Check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ponycar.net/wasaac/Brock.asp for more info.

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:34:00 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steeromg Col Rebuild

On bearings,
Most medium to large cities have bearing houses. Look in the yellow pages.
You just take your bearings in with you and they match them up. You can
get brand name/quality bearings at below the prices the dealers and antique
places charge. On House I've seen is Bearings Incorporated. Don't know if
they are a national chain; but I've seen them in more than one city.

Tim
66 F100 w/352
3 speed std and O/D
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:10:51 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

Dave, you've done it now. Now she knows. My
>>SWMBO majored in philosophy and now is questioning her
>>very existence.
>
>Yo Bill:
>
>I have often said that Jean Paul would never have been such a sour-puss if
>he had only experienced the joys of hopping up a 428 Cobra Jet, or even
>Some of those new fancy-schmancy "gel" electrolyte batteries might be even
>more so.
>
>Dave R (M-block devotee)
>

WHAT?????? Daver, The M block devotee!!! Talk of 428 CJ's not
M-blocks???? Huh???? Jeffie is getting to you I see!!!
Geez, I love an FE convert!!!! Keep up the good work there Brother Jeff,
encourage our little M- Block friend to
be one with the FE! Get all the good karma you can form the motor of the
60's!!! Yeehaa!!

heheheheh

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:21:42 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re New list member/Front end looseness

At 01:59 PM 2/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Except that its back in the Super-Duty trucks ... just the 1/2 ton and
>>light duty 3/4s lost the twin I beam ... at least that's my understanding
>>... also back in the super dutys is a nice solid front axle!
>>
>
>
>You contradicted yourself there...
>In the past TTB existed on 4x 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks. 1 ton's had solid
>axle.
>Now F250SD and F350SD and F450SD have solid axles.

Meaning F-250/350/450/550/ Super Duty 4x4's have solid Dana 60's!!! The
BIG ONE under the front end is how I interpreted that one. But, then it
took me 9 months and an offline question to find out what SWMBO
meant......I really do not get out much
at all. 8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:38:29 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping

- ---John LaGrone wrote:
>
> >>Here in Canada emissions testing isnt required :-)
>
> Don, this isn't a dig at our good Canadian neighbors, but rather at
our
> less than fully functional Congress. Why do we in the US even bother
with
> pollution control and the hole in the ozone when most of the rest of
the
> world doesn't give a corn cob? Canada does care, but there a whole big
> bunch of third world nations that care about nothing more than
making their
> leaders rich and/or famous. For a "free republic" we are pretty
socialistic
> and getting more so all of the time. I hope I can keep lunch
down..........
>
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I agree totaly, on emissions and many other things too. I want to get
my calvin pissing on the EPA logo sticker made here soon. Many
studies have show the green house effect is not accualy because of
emissions, but a natural change the earth has undergone many times.
Also I can't figure out the oxiginated fuels, they may reduce
emissions but also greatly reduce mileage countering one another.....

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