61-79-list-digest Wednesday, February 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 061



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - RE-fuel injection
FTE 61-79 - L&L Headers
FTE 61-79 - RE: Tranny woes
FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - warm up
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - stroker 302 and 351
Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck or parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C vs 351W
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 crank in 351W
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes
FTE 61-79 - C6 Kick down
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split vote
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re. Emissions and major model modifications
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes
FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube/ATF flush

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 19:10:46 -0700
From: "Mike Striegl"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE-fuel injection

Yes you can install a fuel inj. motor in your truck. I recently put a 89
Mustang 5.0 HO and AOD trans. in my 74 F-100. I got the engine to computer
wiring harness from Ford Motorsport. It came with instruction manual to
tell how to hook up all the wiring on the engine. It runs very well in all
weather and temperatures. If I keep my foot out of the gas pedal I've got
up to 19 mpg. I put this in replacing the old and tired 360 and C-6.
Anyone interested in it for there truck! If you have any questions E-mail
me.

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:51:58 -0600
From: "CharlesT"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - L&L Headers

I need a set of L&L Headers.....part number 79750A(fenderwell) or
79750G(chasis). These fit a 460 swapped into a '79 F150 4x4.
I can not find any in stock and L&L is backordered thru April.

Does anyone have a set of used ones they would like sell??

Charles
79 F159 4x4


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:07:42 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Tranny woes

Darrell Duggan wrote:

>Well I had run out of daylight, but my next question is, How do I flush
the
>cooling side of the garbage? I used an air compressor and blew out all
the
>old fluid, is there anything else I should do?

There are products on the market to do this. It comes in a spray can with a
hose that screws into the tranny lines. Look or ask around at tranny shops
or your local parts store. I think it's called cooler flush or something.

Good luck,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net




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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:36:17 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

> Isn't Metaphorisis kind of like Analogitis, an English teacher's disease?
> I once knew a philosopher w/ a bad case of syllogism, but he was a logical
> positivist anyway and besides, in some circles, philosophy itself is
> considered a mental illness.
>
> BTW, working on Ford trucks is a cure for all these conditions (FTE
> content?)
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)

Dammit Dave, you've done it now. Now she knows. My SWMBO majored in
philosophy and now is questioning her very existence. Babbles something
about the Cartesian paradox, and the Mind-Body problem. I turned her on
to Hiedegger's form of Existentialism, and geez...who ever thought the
concept of being and time would be so hard to understand. To me it's
simple; We're here because we're here, roll the damn bones...

She's just now getting over my theory that since a car battery has many
of the same elements as a human brain, it may possibly be as capable of
intelligent thought as many human beings are...
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:05:42 EST
From: Pyrate951 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - warm up

If it is running it must be time to drive it.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 20:57:35 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

I have never seen SWMBO used anywhere but here.
I feel like such an outsider...

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:07:16 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - stroker 302 and 351

At 04:27 PM 23:2:99 -0500, you wrote:
>Check out this link maybe save someone some money or heartaches
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.alternativeauto.com/351w_svo_block.html
>The 302 block flexes when you start stroking them as you will see at the
>website. The blocks are weak...more so for late model blocks!
>This alone we persuade me away from a 302 if I was debating which way to

Granted, the *stock302's* are weak in the main journal area, but the A4 or
the C302 blocks from FMS are much stouter in the bottom end. the M6010-A4
can handle upwards of 700HP, and the M6010-C302, which has siamesed
bores for a max bore of 4.125, is rated at more HP than the A4. The only
problem is "How fast do you want to spend??"

Steve & the Rockette
Now dreaming of a 363cid really small block..........

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 21:14:06 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Philosophy and the Thinking Battery

At 08:57 PM 23:2:99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have never seen SWMBO used anywhere but here.
>I feel like such an outsider...

Try watching PBS once and a while, Rumpole of the Bailey.......

Steve & the "SWMBO" Rockette


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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:22:20 -0600
From: Oran Taylor
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck or parts

I just bought a 78 with a 351M and a C6. The driver side bank smokes pretty
bad, the passanger side does not. I figure it is just the drain hole on the
head that is stopped up (truck has setup for about a year). I would be
willing to sale the motor and trans. I don't know where you live, I live
in Arkansas.... You can contact me at orant cei.net.

I don't even now what a fair price for it would be, but make me an offer and
it is yours.


Oran Taylor
870-353-2891
after 7:00 PM Central time

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:26:55 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C vs 351W

i won't sell the block seperate.
thanks, jeff
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 23:39:13 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 crank in 351W

you have to machine away the counter weights and grind on the block to make
them clear, and after machining the counter weights, you have to have it
balanced, normaly requiring mallory to be added to balance it correctly, also
the rear seal area has to be machined and also the front snout on the crank.
if you have this done you could tie up 1000.00 or more in the crank alone.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 00:33:51 EST
From: Clemstang1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes

Installed one of the oil drain valve on both of my trucks, they been on there
for about 2 or 3 years and I haven't had any problem out of them yet. Keep the
crossmember a whole lot cleaner! Ordered them out of Summit (FUM-F101N)

Jeff
73 F-150 (pro-street) 460
79 F-150 Lariat 460
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 22:17:09 -0800
From: Art Verling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 Kick down

I have a 64 F100 that has had a 360 with a C6 installed before I purchased it. I have rebuilt the motor and have been driving it for a few weeks. When I went to connect the kick down linkage back I could not get it to fit correctly. No matter where I bend this linkage it never fits. Someone else had modified it long ago before myself. I was thinking of buying a cable type kick down from Summit Racing. I would like to know how to adjust this linkage correctly when I get it. Will this linkage cause any changes in the way my trans shifts from 1st to 2nd to 3rd in a very short time and won't shift backward from 3rd to 2nd to 1st without stopping?
Thanks in advance for any help,
Art Verling
AV ix.netcom.com
64 F100

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:10:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split vote

No majority vote to split the list (even by combining all
the different "split the list" variations). The split
vote has failed. Don't expect to see this come up again
for a long time - its the third time its failed so if
you can't deal with the traffic try s*bscribing to digest
mode. The 97+ group has nearly as much traffic (and
many times it has more) but zero complaints about it.

I can hear Deacon cheering in the background.....

Ken Payne
FTE Admin

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:18:18 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re. Emissions and major model modifications

> If you wanted an older vehicle that had no emission stuff, how hard
>> would really it be to change the VIN number of your truck. Don't even
>> tamper with the VIN tag itself...swap the whole cab from an older >truck.
>
>Technically, it goes by the frame.

By frame I take it that constitutes the two side rails and the few
crossmembers holding them together? I went over mine with a a grinder and
wire brush removing rust while rebuilding my truck (should have got a
sandblaster...) and I didn't see any identification numbers on the frame
itself.

>> The only piece that didn't come off my '78 F100 was the cab - I could
>> easily buy a beater '71 with a good cab, drop the cab and VIN number onto
>> my 78 and register it as the 71. Heck, it wouldn't have to be an
>> F100...didn't the F150's have looser emission regulations when they first
>> came out?
>
>Quiet!!! :-), Don't want to give away all our secrets.

I'd be shooting myself in the foot - the only way we can get half decent
body parts is to head down south into the US for those trucks that are
scrapped because they don't meet emissions. If everyone down there avoided
the emissions headaches by swapping their trucks onto older frames, we'd be
cutting off our supply!



David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:28:14 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN Swapping

>Here in Canada emissions testing isnt required :-)

Yeah, but talk filters up here to the northwestern end of Ontario of what
southern Ontario might be instituting for tougher emissions guidelines. I
also wonder if perhaps I might benefit a bit in mileage and efficiency by
having an EGR valve in place or what. I'm not overly concerned unless I
were to decide to move down to the Toronto area and they did put in tougher
regulations. On the other hand, after spending a week down there for a
holiday, I think I'd have to get rid of the truck if I moved there - the
speedometer only goes up to 130km/h and I don't think the truck itself
would make it up that high. :-) I'd look like a major hillbilly driving
this old beast but it would keep people from cutting you off with their
Lexus or Cadillac...

>A few years ago there was a quite a trade in selling canadian VIN's from
>junked or wrecked vehicles, although i don't think they do it to get
>around emissions regulations.......

Yeah...but I don't think they would really be interested in 73-79 Ford
truck VINs. :-) I mostly got into this discussion out of curiosity about
how far you can modify a truck before it's no longer a mere F100 2WD.



David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 02:32:34 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oil change woes

>Confession time - until last weekend, I'd never changed the oil on my '69
>F250
>w/ 360 myself. I found that both the oil pan drain plug and the oil filter,
>while easily accessible, were located over a frame cross member. It was
>nearly
>impossible to keep the oil from flowing onto the frame.

Confession...I changed the oil in my 300 i6 once in about 3 years. Well,
actually the filter was only changed once - new oil was added on a regular
basis. :-) My new truck has the same problem with the 302, probably
because the engine was from a Grananda and the plug is probably in a
different spot that an oil pan from a truck. All that work cleaning up the
truck than I slop oil all over it...

>Has anyone installed a oil pan drain valve w/ a hose connection on it? I was
>thinking that a hose running from the valve would easily clear the cross
>member, resulting in clearer oil changes. What about oil filter relocation
>kits? Leakage nightmares?

My simple solution was I was under there changing the oil for the first
time was to take a small plastic pop bottle and cut a chunk out of the
bottom. I aimed the neck (cap removed) past the crossmember and over the
drain pan and stuck the hole in the bottom under the drain hole. If the
neck of the bottle isn't too big, it will also catch and hold the drain
plug if you let it drop into the bottle.


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 01:13:53 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft lube/ATF flush

">So, everybody go out,
>>grease your driveshafts while you are thinking about it.

I tried doing mine the other day but couldn't get the fitting into the
little space...
Any suggestions, anyone?"

You can get angled grease fittings or you can drop one end of the
drive shaft,put a C clamp on the U-joint and pump it full of grease.
You could also try a needle extension for the grease gun,but I haven't
had much luck with them.

"Well I had run out of daylight, but my next question is, How do I flush
the
cooling side of the garbage? I used an air compressor and blew out all
the
old fluid, is there anything else I should do?"

I would flush it with gas or solvent and then ATF and then flush it
again.
We had a new Allison auto.installed in our water truck at work for....

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