61-79-list-digest Monday, January 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 006



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: 4x4 Highboy
FTE 61-79 - Dwell
FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example
FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch
FTE 61-79 - tailgates
FTE 61-79 - fuel tanks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example
Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch
Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest Re: 4x4 Highboy
RE: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch
FTE 61-79 - 302 Carb Problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Carb Problems
FTE 61-79 - 9" rear woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch
FTE 61-79 - Xfer case
FTE 61-79 - '77 engine choices
FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch
Re: FTE 61-79 - '77 engine choices
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com
Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example
FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets
FTE 61-79 - '77 Carb / Vacuum help....
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets
FTE 61-79 - 65 F250 4X4

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:23:32 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 4x4 Highboy

So as I read the posts this morning re: "high-boys" it seems that we have
narrowed this down to 1977 trucks and whether they were based on the earlier
model designs or the new and improved versions. RIght? The other obvious
thing that has never been mentioned is the vehicles GVW. For instance in 1967
Ford offered several to choose from on a 2WD and only 2 choices on a 4WD
(6800# and 4900#). They offered other GVW's in later years. They acheived
the higher GVW with a combination of springs and bearings. For instance, on
my Dad's 1972 F-250 4WD he has a ten leaf set on the rear and the truck has a
GVW of 7100. The truck does sit up a little higher in the rear than my 67
rated at only 4900.

Just food for thought for what it is worth.


--Thom B--
1967 F-250 4WD 390
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:32:39 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dwell

The distributor is likely worn out, and needs new bushings. Another
possibility is a very loose timing chain.

> I've got a Dwell issue. I replaced my points, capacitor, etc. on my
> '72 390 ci. in my '71 F100 4x4. The book says to set the gap on the
> points to .017 and that should give me between 26 and 30 deg. I get
> about 20 degrees with the timing set at 6 degrees btdc. If I close
> the gap to .012, I can get 26 degrees of dwell. Closing it to .008
> gets me 30 degrees and the truck runs great up to 3000 rpm and it
> won't rev past that. I do reset the timing ever time that I change
> thedwell.
> What gives? I had the same problem with the other set of points. Is
> the distributor bad? Could this be the reason that I need to have the
> choke partially closed to avoid hesitation? I'm at a loss.
> Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:06:54 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example

The Highboy was always considered to be '59-'64 F100 and F250, and
'65-'77 1/2 F250. The F100's from '65 had coils in front and rode alot
lower and had a married case. The 250's had leafs and a divorced case.

If you would like to see the ride height of an original Highboy go to my
webpage http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr. The springs are original,
and may be a little bit lower than original, due to sag. It's all
spring arch up front, and has factory blocks in the rear. The tires are
32 inches tall, and 35's will easily fit. In front, it has a Dana
standard 44 with locking hubs. There was a heavy-duty duty option axle
for the front, with bigger knuckles, but I think the hubs were the
same. It has a Dana 60 rear with 4.56's. It has a Dana 24 transfer
case divorced mounted.

I'd lke to gear it up to 3.73. To do this I have to change carriers.
Does anyone have a 44 and a 60 3.73 (I'm sure standard rotation, is
there any difference in the ring and pinion?) ring pinion and carrier
they want to sell. I can't afford alot, since I just got the news that
our company has been "re-engineered" and after March I'll be back on the
bricks after 18 years. What a waste. Anyway, wipe the tears and go on
here. I'd bet it's a 16 spline, and make doesn't matter, so I'd think
they would be common. Please e-mail me privately.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:09:57 -0700
From: Andrew Antipas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch

Thanks! I was wondering what that extra switch was up on the heater
controls! The next question is should the fuel gauge read for both
tanks? On my 76 f150 only the main tank registered, but maybe that was
broken as well?

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:11:33 -0600
From: jedolson juno.com (JOHN E DOLSON)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tailgates

>wonder if it was an option on Fords, possibly part of an XLT or Ranger
>package or maybe the Camper Specials for those big cabover slide ins.

My dads 76 truck is a plane jane 2 wheel drive w/300 six and 3 on the
tree. No options at all and it has the quick release tailgate. My old
79 was a ranger and it had it too. As a mater of fact I can't remember
seeing a 73-79 Ford without a quick release tailgate (I'll be looking at
everyones now)

My 1976 F150 Ranger xlt does not have a quick release tailgate, it must
have been some kind of an option.

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 08:15:24 -0800
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel tanks

h

Has any one installed a fuel tank behind the axle, on a 67-72? Will a tank
from a 73-76 work? I have dual tanks now, but I would like to remove the
tank from inside the cab. Any help would be appreciacted. Thanks,
Steve P.S. If anybody needs 390 parts I am in CA and there are plenty
around my area. Also 67-72 parts are
relatively easy to come by around here.




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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:33:28 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example

i thought the dana 44 carriers for 3:73 thru 4:56 were the same, am i wrong?
if you have to replace it you can buy a new trak lock for about 185.00. i'm
sure you could find someone interested in your 4:56 set up, i'd like to have
it myself.
sorry about the job, i'm under a similar situation.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:15:35 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch

On my 79 the the fuel gauge reads for whichever tank is selected on the
switch.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Antipas
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 8:09 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch


>Thanks! I was wondering what that extra switch was up on the heater
>controls! The next question is should the fuel gauge read for both
>tanks? On my 76 f150 only the main tank registered, but maybe that was
>broken as well?


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:36:20 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch

yes it should read both tanks.

Phil
66 F-100 390, C 6
79 F-250 4x4 400m

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From: Andrew Antipas
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:15 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch


>Thanks! I was wondering what that extra switch was up on the heater
>controls! The next question is should the fuel gauge read for both
>tanks? On my 76 f150 only the main tank registered, but maybe that was
>broken as well?
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:40:56 EST
From: SixBang300 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest Re: 4x4 Highboy

To add another change during the 77 through 78 period. Was 1978 the first
year to come out with front disc brakes in the 4x4 models? Also on the topic
of "highboys"
I looked over a truck that the guy said was a highboy and it had this massive
hydraulic pump system for steering setup.

From:sixbang300
1976 F-250 Supercab Trailer Special
1978 F-150 4x4 Stepside Short Wheebase "Superchop"

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 12:31:08 -0600
From: Rick_Thompson dell.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch

I have a 77 F250 and the fuel tank switch is next to the heater controls. I
just pulled my 460, and it was a three hour job with A/C and PS. The swap
should not be too bad, as long as you have the correct motor mounts.

Rick Thompson
77 F250 Super Cab

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From: Andrew Antipas [mailto:aantipas sopris.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 1999 10:54 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch


Just bought a 77 f250. The truck has duel fuel tanks. Where in the cab
is the selector switch for the fuel tanks? My 76 f150 has a mechanical
switch on the floor next to the drivers door. The 77 looks to have an
electrical switch? Where there any 77 model year f series trucks that
came with FE engines? The vin number says the truck should have a 400ci
but the truck has a 360 or 390? How difficult a swap is that and should
I have any concerns? the truck drives fine......

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 11:19:57 PST
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 Carb Problems

I have a 77 F100 Flairside, that has a 302 and a 2brl carb. the truck
has been sitting quite awhile, the only way she'll fire up is to pour
some gas in the carb and after that she'll run okay. If you shut it
off, and restart it about an hour later it is fine, but if you let it
sit overnight you will have to pour more gas in the carb. I know pouring
the gas in it isn't good. What is the problem? And would a carb from a
79 302 fit it? TIA


74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"



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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:52:42 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Carb Problems

In a message dated 1/10/99 11:23:09 AM Pacific Standard Time,
f10074 hotmail.com writes:


the gas in it isn't good. What is the problem? And would a carb from a
79 302 fit it? TIA
>>

Something is allowing the gas to drain from float chamber. The most obvious
possibility is the diaphragm on the power valve or it's gasket. Another would
be a crack in the body of the carb. The power valve is easy to replace, but
you do have to remove the carb from the engine. The 79 carb will bolt in and
just as important it will be jetted correctly also. However, first you need
to verify the vacuum connections, vents, Choke heater, and PVC connection are
the same. For instance I know from personal experience that your 79 2-barrell
would not work on my 72 360 2-barrell (before I changed engines) even though
it would bolt on. Some of the other connections were all wrong.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 460
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 16:01:40 -0500
From: "Forest V. New"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 9" rear woes

Thought I would share with everyone the new experience I had with my 9"
>rear end. IMy truck came with a 3:50 traction lok and I had a 2:75
>tractionloc I wanted to put in for better gas milage. WHen I took out my
>axles I found I had pretty worn wheel bearings so I decided to replace them
>after checking the availability and cost. figured for about $20 per axle I
>could get new bearings and seals. OLd bearings were on so tight I had to
>heat them cherry red before pressing them off with a 50 ton press. Imagine
>my surprise when I went to install my new axle bearings and found they were
>not 3300lb HD axles but the special order 3750 lb HD roller bearing
>axles!!! GO to your local supplier and see if they even list them. I
>called about twenty stores before I found them and it cost 65 dollars a
>bearing and 10 ea. for seals.....whew. I didn't even know ford made a
>third axle size for their 9" trucks! Thought everyone would like to know.
>Anyone have the formula handy for gear ratio vs tire size = mph ?
>Thanks
>Forest New
>72 Ford Ranger XLT
>89 Ford Ranger 2.9 V6
>69 Mustang MACH 1
>

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:42:24 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fuel tank switch

In reponse to fuel tank switch locations. My 73 F250 has an electric switch
next to the heater controls. The 73 F350 parts truck, I recently sold, also
had a switch next to the heater controls as well as a mechanical selector
just inside the drivers door. Funny thing is that the F350 only had two
frame mounted tanks and the F250 only has one tank in the cab. All three
would be in the F250 now but the frame mounted ones were too rusty to
bother removing :)

Vaughn
73 F250 4WD 390

>
heater
> controls. not sure if same as 77 >>
>
>My 1975 F-100 has the switch in the same place.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:26:51 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Xfer case

Sam W. writes: >>I also learned that in 4x it would pretty much spin
around within it's
wheelbase in the snow. It had that Strange pseudo full time 4x setup.
Anyone
know what T-case was responsible for that?

NP203 offered from '74 thru '79 for sure and maybe longer.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:38:17 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '77 engine choices

Phil writes: >>i understand what you are saying about the two trucks. the
one thing that
puzzles me is in 77 they first used the fe engine then switched them to the
modifieds,

Not disputing your word, but I've never seen a '77 with an FE. All the
books I have indicate that the FE was last offered in '76. I have a
complete set of manuals for '77 F series.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:44:29 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel tank switch

Andrew writes: >>Just bought a 77 f250. The truck has duel fuel tanks.
Where in the cab
is the selector switch for the fuel tanks?

Mine is on the heater control panel - opposite end from the heater fan
switch.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:49:48 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '77 engine choices

The guy I just got my camper from had a 77 F-150 with a 390, it was originally
a 360, but still an FE.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 17:15:43 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Highboys With Example

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> i thought the dana 44 carriers for 3:73 thru 4:56 were the same, am i wrong?
> if you have to replace it you can buy a new trak lock for about 185.00.

The gear change is at 3.89 which was what my original axle gearing was at. I
tried to install a set of 4.10's and it was way off. There is also a set of
gears 3.92 that use the low ratio carrier so if you have those you might not
need to change carriers to go to 4.10 or 4.56. The only problem that I see with
the old gears is the course spline pinion and 30+ years of stress cycles

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duckdon pacific.net
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ICQ# 19575234

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:02:27 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets

I think i remember a thread from a while back (summer?) about small
diameter rivets. I am repairing the power window mechanism in my 79
Lincoln Town Car (400 2V/c6/9") and find myself in need of a rivet that is
the same diameter as a 5/32 drill bit. If anyone remembers this thread or
knows if this is a common item let me know. I can go pick them up in my 71
f250 (360/c6/dana60) (FTE content).

working inside doors is hell!! i hope knuckle skin makes good lube...

thanks

Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

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F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 23:08:44 EST
From: RYANSTOY aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '77 Carb / Vacuum help....

Hi -
I have a '77 F150 Supercab w/ a 400 and C-6 in it. Just rebuilt the 2150 2bbl
carb and am in the process of getting it tuned back up. I was wondering if
anyone knew of any good carb tuning books/web sites to give me some more info
as to what I'm doing. Also, I am trying to locate a decent vacuum diagram for
the same engine, Chilton's doesn't seem to be very detailed/intuitive. Any
help or advice would be much appreciated..
Thanks, Ryan
'77 F150 Ranger XLT Supercab LB, 400 / C-6
'96 F150 XL SB, 302 / Auto
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:49:55 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tiny Rivets

This should be a common item. If you can't find them locally, I
probably have some in my personal supply of rivets. What length do
you need?

Tim Bowman
71 F100
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 02:28:54 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F250 4X4

All '61-'66 F250 4X4's were built on a 120 inch wheelbase, and used
either a stepside or the '57-'60 styleside bed. Mine has the '57-'60
styleside bed and an FE and NP435 . You can see it at....


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