61-79-list-digest Monday, February 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 058



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal
FTE 61-79 - Re: 1978 Lariat
FTE 61-79 - P/S
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: tailgate project
FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck or parts
FTE 61-79 - repost:84 to 70 460 pulley swap
FTE 61-79 - dash--good deal?
FTE 61-79 - Determining 352/360 vs 390
FTE 61-79 - Re: rear leaf spring bushing replacement
FTE 61-79 - Fuel injection
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C vs 35l Windsor
FTE 61-79 - Am I in good hands or what?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 1978 Lariat
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Eastern Washington List People?

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 04:57:22 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?

I have a 74 F-250 4x4, the 300-I6 blew on me and since the bell housings
are the same i rebuilt a 1973 351w for it. I knew about the 400 Cube
options but i didnt bother, after a good set of Keith Black 11.5 to 1
pistons some porting and polishing of the 60cc heads, a 4bbl intake from
a mid 80's model with a Holly carb, a great cam, a set of tuned shorty
headers for a late model mustang (Ooops clutch linkage changes) and
electronic ignition, I'm just spooking the kids with the mustangs (even
with 4.10 gears) and still pissing of my Chevy loving offroading
buddies. I an going propane soon but before i do i will get it dyno'd to
see if the higher compression will make up for the 10% power loss they
say their is.

James Draughn wrote:
>
> I bought a 79 1/2 ton Van with a 351 Winsdor in it. The engine was siezed so
> I went about to rebuild it. The first machine shop I called said that I can
> make the engine into a 400 buy putting a different crank in it. Then I went
> to a different machine shop to actually have the work done and he said that
> you can do that with the modifieds but not the Winsdors. I went ahead and
> got 8.9-1 pistons and a cam that he said was up a notch, that it would add
> some bottom end torque. He said it would be any use to really go any higher
> with the cam because the winsdor can't breathe good exaust wise and you
> can't fix it because the manifolds where already ground out pretty much as
> much as you can go.
> im in the process of putting it all back togeather, I had to send the crank
> back because they ground it wrong and there was to much clearance with the
> bearings. Im 20 years old btw. I bought the van for 350.00 and have
> invested approx 1200.00 into the engine so far in machine work and engine
> rebuild kit. My dad has a 460 in his van but it seems pretty damn weak to
> me. his van is a 80 ford van. When he bought the van he rebuilt the engine
> and its a good engine, no probs at all but it seems to be weak!. What I
> would like to know if I wanted to in my spare time build a all out
> performance engine that would pull my van like it was nothing and pratically
> smoke the tires (Don't need to smoke em, just want to accelerate fast and
> have good towing capability) What engine should I go with? What engine will
> fit? I thought about getting a 460 and boring it out as much as possible,
> do the thing with all the heads and such, but I am new to performance
> engines. What would you guys think would be the best engine for an all out
> kick ass, fast van? btw, I have a 79 parts van out back with a 351 modified
> in it, but its all pulled apart from when I was going to rebuild it for a
> different van that I was once going to get (it was sold before I could grab
> it). I would mostly like to know what I can do with my winsdor, it has a
> 2barrel carb, but I still need to get a carb. Whats the biggest I can get
> it in cubic Inches? Whats the horsepower I can expect from my engine after
> I get it togeather? And do you think it will make any difference in speed
> with the upgrades I got? Thanks for all your time, sorry for the longest
> post in history but this has been on my mind for months and I have no where
> else to go or no one else to ask for advise.
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 05:04:01 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal

I'm doing all my bushings in my 4x4 righ now I have a torch and a press.
This is the best way I've found.

Get the rubber out any way you feel like, Then use a hacksaw to put a
split in the outer steel sleeve, once that is done you can use a chisel
or a screwdriver and a hammer to fold the sleeve in and it falls right
out.

(I'm replacing them all with Polyurathane bushings from Energy
Suspention that are two piece with no outer sleeve.)

Jeff Carver wrote:
>
> I asked a few weeks back for advice on how
> to remove the bushings on my '64 leaf springs.
> The most consistent response was to burn them
> out with flames and other incendary devices.
>
> The problem with that is these bushings is after
> the rubber is removed, the outer metal sleeve
> would still need to be removed. I checked a
> couple of local shops on their approach and
> costs. At $60/hour open ended and they would
> just press, burn, pound with chisels, cut, etc.
> nothing special. I can do that.
>
> I rummaged through the various plumbing leftovers
> and remnants (I'm a packrat) and found several
> fittings of the right diameter sufficently bad
> that I'd never use them for plumbing ( I knew there
> was a reason I kept them!)
>
> I cut away the rubber from above the outer sleeve
> to expose the metal (knife). I set a spring on two
> jackstands and a chunk of rail road track on end.
> Judicious placement and utilizing the techniques
> established by the BruteForce Cybernetics Corp.
> I used a handleless sledge on the plumbing and
> drove those bushings out. I did three springs in
> less than an hour. I have a couple of really
> stubborn ones left to do.
>
> Though I'd pass on this technique.
> Now for cleanup and installation of new bushings.
>
> Any comments on installation?
>
> Jeff
> '64 F100 CrewCab
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:38:33 EST
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 1978 Lariat

I have the original 1978 dealer showroom literature in front of me. The FORD
Ranger Lariet has deluxe tu-tone paint (optional solid color if
desired)......sporty racetrack molding.......Special Ranger Lariet
emblems........black tailgate applique......Map pockets on lower portion of
doors......extra insulation (button-quilted head liner)......added carpeting
(on kick panels on side of cab)......crome headlight buckets (plastic part
that goes around the headlights).....chrome grill......."Smart Picton" cloth
seat upholstery is trimmed with super-soft vinyl (also with the button-quilted
vinyl type buttons "same as headliner") If anyone has any questions that I
can help with....just ask!!!! If anyone needs factory literature for FORD
trucks......I will be going to a swapmeet as a vender on April 17th, 18th, &
19th in Englishtown, New Jersey. Take Care!!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:32:00 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - P/S

I'm Back! Thanks to all who helped me reach a decision on how to add P/S to
my 66 F100 FE 4x4 . Somehow, I got removed from this list (I hate when that
happens) so I may have missed some discussion. I know others were looking to
add p/s to their trucks. Here is what I plan to do... Please stop me if this
is incorrect. I will use a 78-79 Bronco box. The box will be relocated back
along the outside of the frame rail so that the pitman arm can face forward
instead of to the rear as it was originally. The steering wheel shaft will
have to be shortened and I will have to work out the details for joining the
two together (Borgensen?). Any pump and bracket from any FE engine will work.
Maybe the bump bracket is the same from a 351M. Does all this sound right to
you guys? If not, PLEASE let me know. I am ready to buy the parts. Anybody got
what I need?
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:47:57 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: tailgate project

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jamey Moss
To: Ford Truck List
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:07 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: tailgate project

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lmctruck.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford-obsolete-parts.com/
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com /

Jamey, Thanks for the links!
Smeck


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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:18:56 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck or parts

Reposting with correct subject!

- -----Original Message-----
Hi there list,
Does anyone have a 78 or 79 F150 parts truck he'd want to sell.
Or an entire driveline out of one that consists of a 351M or 400M?
Thanks.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo netcarrier.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:36:20 EST
From: Fignewtun aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - repost:84 to 70 460 pulley swap

Dear Ford Truck Fans,
I must have deleted any Re: about this subject. I have just installed a 70
model 460 in my 78 4x4. I need to get new brackets and pulleys for it. I found
an 84 4x4 with a 460. Will these pulleys and brackets work in my install? This
is a great list and i have learned alot from reading it. Thanks for any help
on this.
Fig
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 11:29:17 -0600
From: Jeremy Stiffler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - dash--good deal?

Hello. I'm new to this list. I live down here in Texas, San Antonio to be
exact. I just bought a dash while I was up in Austin over the weekend and I
was wondering if it was a good deal. I got a black '75 half-dash for $10.
I cleaned it up and it looks as good and shiny as my mom's 99 ford F-150
dash. Good deal, or no? I've seen some other good quality dashs in Austin
in case anyone is interested also. I'm not sure what the junkyards were
asking though.

Thanks for you opinions.

Jeremy Stiffler
1973 F-100 Ranger XLT "The Green Bandit"
360CI, 2WD

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:44:25 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Determining 352/360 vs 390

Hi everyone,
The new searchable archives are great! Thanks Ken.
While I was working on my truck this weekend,
I was wondering just how someone might find
out if any particular FE was a 352/360 or 390
or410/428 without having to remove the heads.
Since I have both a 352 and 390 to
play with, I thought I'd give it a try. With the #1
spark plug removed, you can take a 3/16" dowel
and insert it in through the hole untill it hits the
top of the piston. Then I rotated the crank to
find TDC. I then marked the dowel with a pen,
using the lip of the valve cover as a reference.
Next, I rotated the crank to BDC and made a
second mark on the dowel. Since, on an FE,
it's possible to keep the dowel parallel with the
bore, there aren't any angular errors to worry
about. It was then a simple matter to pull the
dowel out and measure the distance between
the two marks. I did this on both the 352 and
390, and the stroke measurements came out
well enough to clearly identify them. This
should also work to distinguish the 410/428
from the shorter stroke FEs. If this has been =

discussed previously, I missed it. I just thought
it might be of use to someone someday.
Now, how are we going to figure those bores?

Tim in Anchorage
67' F-100 (it's Y2K compliant!)
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:54:42 EST
From: EBHecker aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rear leaf spring bushing replacement

Jeff; sounds like you're going through the same thing that I went through a
week ago. Fortunately for me though, I have access to a press at work. After
oiling the outside of the new bushings, and making a jig, ( consisting of a
bolt to go through the new bushing with 3 washers on the head,...2 that
cleared the inside sleeve, and the top one that rested on the bottom two
washers and on top of the inner sleeve, and a small washer and nut on the
opposite end to hold it together) I just used the new one to press the old one
out. However! The shackles were a totally different story. But with the help
of Kroil, patience, and an air chisel I conquered them. Funny that out of the
six, the two shackles were by far the worst. It was even a little trickier
putting the new bushings in the shackles because of the uneven design of them.
Ed
66 F100
86 F250 4x4
96 Aerostar AWD
82 Escort
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:26:42 -0800
From: grahams thefuture.net (Smith, Graham)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel injection

Hello Everyone,

I have been hanging around this list for a while to find a truck. Well
I found what I was looking for and have been so busy I haven't been back
here for a while. I finally found a 1978 F150 Super cab 4X4 that isn't
rusted out!! However it does have some other features ;-) The first I
need to do is replace/rebuild the motor it has a very tired 400M in it
and I am look for option and suggestion on whether to rebuild the 400 or
maybe change to a different motor. One of the things I would like to
look at is the possibility of fuel injection. So my question to you'll
would is it worth it and if so what is recommended.

Graham

PS I am glad to hear that there are some Ford folk in Eastern Washington
I am in Spokane. So give a shout if you headed through.


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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:11:52 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?

you can put a 400 crank in a windsor, but extensive work must be done to the
crankshaft.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:20:21 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C vs 35l Windsor

anyone know of anybody that has a set of 351 australian heads for sale, i'm
building a cleveland and would like to have a set.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:20:46 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Am I in good hands or what?

Well Tweety should be back rippin and tearin by next weekend. My brother
called around and found me a tranny for $100 that had been rebuilt about 20k
miles ago. He even loaned me the dinero! (aint family great?) This guy has
also promised to reimburse me if I have any problems with it. He is a true
Ford nut, having somewhere between 8 and 10 of the 67-79 tucks in his back
yard, plus a Lincoln Continental on an F-250 4x4 chassis, and a Monte on a
chebby chassis. Hes even got a Supercab in the middle of a build up that very
shortly is gonna be a dually running 44 Denman GroundHawgs. Anyways, I just
wanted ta let ya know that Tweety will be back, and this time, Im gonna go
easy on him.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
P.S. Who am I kiddin, as soon as its moving forward under its own power,
he'll be flyin high again. Also, What area are you in Birkin? Who knows, I
may get the urge to travel!
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:44:08 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whats the best I can do with a Winsdor?

Hey you can have anything you want if you have the $ :)
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 01:37:28 EST
From: Clemstang1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 1978 Lariat

Quick question
I've got a 79 Lariat, finally got it from my granddad last year(one-
owner) always wondered if the suspension package was any different from the
other trucks? It always seemed that his truck rode smoother than mine.


Jeff
73 F-150 (pro-street) 460
79 F-150 Lariat 460
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:43:34 -0800
From: "Jeff Hannon"
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Eastern Washington List People?

Damn! I go skiing for the first time in 6 years and miss a free breakfast!
I live in Moscow, ID, only 8 miles away and work in Pullman.

>> Just checking to see if anyone here lives near Pullman,
Washington....I'm
>> headed there this weekend for a few days....I'll buy breakfast, but your
truck
>> has to be running! How far is this from the Kennewick men?


> About two hours from Kennewick to Pullman , as I recall.
Yep. Except in September when there are more John Deeres on the highway
than
cars. Then it can take three hours passing all the combines.

> (Kennewick-Richland-Pasco)is always too far from everywhere and hardly....


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