61-79-list-digest Sunday, February 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 057



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - FW: Lack o' cats...
FTE 61-79 - Re Tailgate Project
RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb for 70 model 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania
FTE 61-79 - Coil Pack 240
RE: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U -Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania
FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
FTE 61-79 - Re: tailgate project
RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U -Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania
RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
FTE 61-79 - Re: 351W-351C
FTE 61-79 - Re: Eastern Washington List People?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives are now searchable
FTE 61-79 - Re: 9 inch rebuild procedure
Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal
FTE 61-79 - Puyallup Show - 65 F100 4x4 there
RE: FTE 61-79 - Puyallup Show - 65 F100 4x4 there
FTE 61-79 - '78 F250 4x4, Lariat
FTE 61-79 - 460
FTE 61-79 - Tragedy Strikes!

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:06:34 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FW: Lack o' cats...

>
>
> .......with all this talk of cats, I'm surprised no one has jumped in with
> a dog comment.............
> -------------------
> OK you asked for it... let's see um Chevies are dogs. ;0)
>
> Tom H.
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:28:04 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re Tailgate Project


During this project I managed to destroy the rubber bumpers at the top and
the rubber guides halfway up could stand to be replaced. Does anyone know
if Ford still makes these parts? What is a possible source for aftermarket
replacements?
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John
Try AutoKrafters 1-800-228-7346
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com

This is what they list.
Tail gate bumpers
73-79 on-pillarC4TZ-9940224
ea 2.95
73-79 lower side bumpers - on tail gate
D3TZ-99439A01APR 3.95
73-79 tailgate support retaining bumpers- requires 2C4TZ-9944482A ea
5.95

Or call your Ford dealer and ask them about those part numbers listed above.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:36:43 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Carb for 70 model 460

> ----------
> From: Fignewtun aol.com[SMTP:Fignewtun aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 5:42 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb for 70 model 460
>
> Dear Sirs,
> I have just installed a 70 model 460 into my 78 4x4. The edelbrock carb
> that was on my old 400, wont fit on the 460. The linkage hits on the stock
> manifold. Should i get a stock ford 4 barrel carb for it. Or is there
> another
> way to do this. Do they make a spacer plate to lift the edelbrock up some?
> It
> needs aabout 5/8 inch to clear the manifold. Thanks, fig
>
I had to use a 1" phenolic spacer under a Holley on my stock 4 bbl. manifold
for the same reason.

Give Summit a call at 1-800-230-3030 They should be able to set you up
with the parts.

Tracy
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:48:13 -0500
From: Joe
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania

I was just at Harry's U Pull it Last Sat(bad day to go it was snowing)
but this place is HUGE!!All vehicles are lifted off the ground like they
said...Its a place you need to spend the whole day at, it will take you
all day to walk it..There was a ton of 70's trucks there and a few
67-72's...Hope this helps...
Joe
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:49:43 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Coil Pack 240

> Some of us only get e-mail ( juno ). That is why we keep asking stupid
> questions like rear disk brakes, what booze goes with rebuilding what
> truck, and, what kind of freak would want a 460 ;). We can't check the
> FTE website, I myself have only seen it once. By the way, is there any
> problem with too MUCH spark. I am thinking of putting a coil-pack on my
> 240/6.

There's no such thing as a stupid lurker, it's those of us who feel it's
our province to comment freeely on things we know nothing about that can
somethimes fall in the category of "misguided."

I don't know about those poor souls who are addicted to Ford's other
big-block. Why they want so much power I just don't know. Everytime
someone fires one up you can almost feel the ground shudder as all of
the dead dinosaurs through the ages spin in their graves...

Do you have EEC and fuel injection? If you are planning to use a late
coil pack in an early application you might (I'm not sure, see there I
go again commenting freely on something I know nothing about) have
trouble with compatability in it's reference voltage. Most coil packs
use milivoltage from the EEC as reference, wheras early applications use
straight or resisted battery voltage. Too much spark isn't the problem,
it would be innacurately timed spark that would melt you down.
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:02:24 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U -Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania

I see a trend here gentlemen and ladies...... Whats the possibility of
everybody listing their favorite junkyards and putting it on the list,
including all info like what and where, and what kind of stuff they have,
i.e Old, new, etc.

Rick p.s. Anybody got a pair of centercaps for the late ford aluminum
16x7 rims, I need the rear ones. Thanks, Rick

Did some snipping....hopefully enough Ken!!! Thanks,,,

Harry's
U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania


> Greetings all. Anybody been to Harry's ?. I seem to recall some mention
> of this at some point, somewhere in the past.
>
> I see in the commercials that all cars are suppossed to be off the
> ground, and they have some ridiculous amount of acerage there(thought
> they might have said a 100 in the commercial). Anyway, are the cars
> seperated/organized by make or manufacturer to make things easy to find?
> Or should I take a sleeping bag, and expect to only be able to write
> home on weekends ? ;).
>
>"EJ" In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton

You're quite a ways away from Hazleton, PA, there !

If you are willing to travel that far, though, a couple other places to
check out
for parts ... in Schuylkill County, PA (I went to college there), there is
two
places I always went for parts.

One is just out back of the Penn State Campus in Schuylkill Haven
Dierwechter's Used Auto Parts
(570) 385 3775

The other is just off route 61 in Palo Alto (Pottsville)
"All indoor auto parts"
(I dont know their number, but the place is easy to find)

These places have a reasonably good selection of late '70's and
newer parts. So far, I have always found what I looked for there.

If yer in the Bradford county. PA area looking for OLD parts, I
recommend checking with Dick Morse in Allis Hollow, PA.
He has all kinds of older stuff, even a little bit of 1950's parts,
and a whole host of 60's and 70's trucks. (I think I even saw a
4V FE last time I was there ... though it might have been nabbed
by now...)

Another good yard is just outside Mill Hall, PA south on route
150 ... don't remember the name of it, but you can't miss it, as it
is clearly visible from the highway.





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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:25:02 -0500
From: "HARLEY A PUTNAM"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers

I have a 429 with casting numbers of D VE A3A. Are these good for anything
besides doorstops? Also, if you have any links to Ford sites that that have
casting number info, please post them, so that I can bookmark them and slow
down the flow of questions that I can find answers to. Thanks, clukcluk.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:47:14 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers

> ----------
> From: HARLEY A PUTNAM[SMTP:clukcluk mindspring.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:25 AM
> To: Ford truck List
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
>
> I have a 429 with casting numbers of D VE A3A. Are these good for
> anything
> besides doorstops? Also, if you have any links to Ford sites that that
> have
> casting number info, please post them, so that I can bookmark them and
> slow
> down the flow of questions that I can find answers to. Thanks, clukcluk.
>
Harley,

This is the casting number on the heads right?

Their should be a number between the "D" and the "V". If it's
anything other than a "1", they are low compression heads, 8.5:1 I think.

Are the rockers Pedestal mounted or Stud mounted?

Tracy

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:07:08 -0600
From: Jamey Moss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: tailgate project

John LaGrone wrote:

> I finished refinishing my tailgate last weekend. Well almost finished. I
> did get it back on the truck. I still need to re-letter the FORD in red.
> During this project I managed to destroy the rubber bumpers at the top and
> the rubber guides halfway up could stand to be replaced. Does anyone know
> if Ford still makes these parts? What is a possible source for aftermarket
> replacements?

I don't know if Ford still sells them, but I recently replaced these
rubber bumpers on my tailgate, and I bought them from Dennis Carpenter
Reproductions (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com). That was on a 67, but
the parts might be the same for 73-79. Also, LMC Trucks
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.lmctruck.com/) has the L-shaped rubber bumpers for 73-79
tailgates. Both places have phone numbers listed on their web sites if
you don't want to wait for the catalog to show up (several weeks).
Other possible sources (I didn't look through all the catalogs after I
found the first two) are Obsolete Ford Parts
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford-obsolete-parts.com/), and Auto Krafters
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com /).

BTW, here is a picture of my tailgate after I masked off the FORD
letters to paint mine
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/pics/letters.jpg . If you're
doing this yourself, a big time saver would probably be to buy some
masking tape designed for masking off curves. This tape has small
wrinkles in it so that it's much easier to stretch around curves. Of
course I found out about this the day after I finished my tailgate,
which took a few hours to mask off with regular masking tape. The paint
will have an edge on it after you remove the tape, and I used 800 grit
sandpaper, then 1200, then 2000 grit, then rubbing compound on my
letters and now they have that smooth factory finish, even on the edges.


Jamey Moss
jamey prismnet.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/


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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 09:14:05 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers

>> I have a 429 with casting numbers of D VE A3A. Are these good for
>> anything
>> besides doorstops? Also, if you have any links to Ford sites that that
>> have
>> casting number info, please post them, so that I can bookmark them and
>> slow
>> down the flow of questions that I can find answers to. Thanks, clukcluk.
>>
>Harley,
>
>This is the casting number on the heads right?
>
>Their should be a number between the "D" and the "V". If it's
>anything other than a "1", they are low compression heads, 8.5:1 I think.


Oh yeah, hehehehe, and if they have a Zero (0) between that D and V
as in DOVE, I will be more than happy to take them off your hands!!! I
will even pay shipping to get them out of your way!! I need a couple of
really good door stops that flow like Cobra Jet engines!! DOVE heads are
the good ones!! Hang on to them!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

>
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:27:50 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pennsylvania salvage; Was: FTE 80-96 - Harry's U -Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania

Miska, Richard L (Rick) wrote:
>
> I see a trend here gentlemen and ladies...... Whats the possibility of
> everybody listing their favorite junkyards and putting it on the list,
> including all info like what and where, and what kind of stuff they have,
> i.e Old, new, etc.
>

Great idea, then all the mexicans (no offense intended, they told me
they were from mexico) can rape every little hidden junkyard in the
whole country. The one I used to go to in eastern Pa. had teams that
just scoured the entire place. They said they were taking eveything to
mexico. There is really no reason for me to ever go back there. I know,
you say they have every right to buy whatever parts they want, and that
may be true, but I sure don't want to help them kill my parts sources by
giving them a handy list. I think Ross was right :-)

OX
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:03:27 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers

> ----------
> From: Stu Varner[SMTP:varners usit.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 10:14 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers
>
> >> I have a 429 with casting numbers of D VE A3A. Are these good for
> >> anything
> >> besides doorstops?
> >>
> >>
> >Harley,
> >
> >Their should be a number between the "D" and the "V". If it's
> >anything other than a "1", they are low compression heads, 8.5:1 I think.
>
>
> Oh yeah, hehehehe, and if they have a Zero (0) between that D and V
> as in DOVE, I will be more than happy to take them off your hands!!! I
> will even pay shipping to get them out of your way!! I need a couple of
> really good door stops that flow like Cobra Jet engines!! DOVE heads are
> the good ones!! Hang on to them!!
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
>
>
Hey Stu,

Just curious, how do the D0VE heads differ from C8,C9, or D1 heads? I
thought '68 thru '71 heads were all the same, high compression (10.5:1 +/-)
with stud mounted rockers, and '72 and later being low compression with
pedestal mounted rockers. I've directly compared a C9 head with a D0 head
and could see no differences in valve, chamber, or in./ex. runner sizes.

Tracy

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:21:40 -0800
From: Al Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351W-351C

JP: There used to be a place in Ft Smith Ark called BA Performance I
think who had manifolds for this application. Or I have seen some
aluminum plates made that made the Cleveland manifold work. put your
question on the digest also and somebody will help you out. These guys
have done anything to a ford that can be done an d some things that
can't. FWIW

Al
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:14:56 EST
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Eastern Washington List People?

I'm in Richland, Den. (rhymes with men & Ben)
Actually I'm not sure where I am. Feels like Kennewick but pays rent like
Richland.

Ben Williams
'78 F-250 4wd

>>I can't make it either. I have to work. Besides, I'd be embarrassed for
>>anyone to see my ugly truck.
>>
>>Ben Williams
>>'78 F-250 4wd
>Are you in Kennewick, Ben? (rhymes with men)
>Who else on here is in the Tri-Cities?
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:34:30 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Casting Numbers

In a message dated 2/20/99 6:31:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
clukcluk mindspring.com writes:


besides doorstops? Also, if you have any links to Ford sites that that have
casting number info, please post them, so that I can bookmark them and slow
down the flow of questions that I can find answers to. Thanks, clukcluk.
>>
I second the request for any link to sites that may have casting or part
number info. The casting number you have listed is not complete as there is
number missing between the D and the V. Suspect the missing number is 9 and
if that is the case it is a late 70's to 80's vintage which means an 8:1
compression ratio on a 460, and something in the 7's on a 429. However, there
a slim chance that your number is correct and my books do not cover it. Wire
brush the area carefully. Tell me what color do you paint your door stops, as
I have several.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:11:38 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal

I asked a few weeks back for advice on how
to remove the bushings on my '64 leaf springs.
The most consistent response was to burn them
out with flames and other incendary devices.

The problem with that is these bushings is after
the rubber is removed, the outer metal sleeve
would still need to be removed. I checked a
couple of local shops on their approach and
costs. At $60/hour open ended and they would
just press, burn, pound with chisels, cut, etc.
nothing special. I can do that.

I rummaged through the various plumbing leftovers
and remnants (I'm a packrat) and found several
fittings of the right diameter sufficently bad
that I'd never use them for plumbing ( I knew there
was a reason I kept them!)

I cut away the rubber from above the outer sleeve
to expose the metal (knife). I set a spring on two
jackstands and a chunk of rail road track on end.
Judicious placement and utilizing the techniques
established by the BruteForce Cybernetics Corp.
I used a handleless sledge on the plumbing and
drove those bushings out. I did three springs in
less than an hour. I have a couple of really
stubborn ones left to do.

Though I'd pass on this technique.
Now for cleanup and installation of new bushings.

Any comments on installation?

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab



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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:47:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives are now searchable

Searchable archives are now on the web site. All 60+
megabytes of archives are searchable. Due to the
nature of searching, the archive results are email
address "harvester" resistant. You can only browse
the archives with search terms and harvesters are not
smart enough to do that.

Enjoy!

KePayne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:53:55 -0500
From: "Bobr"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 9 inch rebuild procedure

Great article. Thanks a lot Ox. I am curious what views are on what is
the best all-around use rearend ratio for a F-150 (with 300)? Thanks for
your help.

Bob R.
80 F-150
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:21:59 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Bushing Removal

Jeff:

If you have access to a large C clamp or a large vise or a hydraulic
press you could press them back in. With a little welding as another
alternative, you could easily make a pressing devise which would use a
conventional hydraulic bottle jack. Check out the FTE website for an
article re: pressing out kingpins. The technique is the same.

Tim Bowman
71 F100
Burien, WA
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:23:48 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Puyallup Show - 65 F100 4x4 there

I was at the Puyallup swap meet today and saw a pretty nice red 65
F100 4x4 flatbed. I believe the asking price was $2500. If you're in
the Seattle/Tacoma area and interested it might be worth going over to
the swap meet.

Tim Bowman
71 F100
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:43:13 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Puyallup Show - 65 F100 4x4 there

Hi there list,
Does anyone have a 78 or 79 F150 parts truck he'd want to sell.
Or an entire driveline out of one that consists of a 351M or 400M?
Thanks.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo netcarrier.com
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 00:25:26 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 F250 4x4, Lariat

My '78 F250 has the lariat emblems on the side and the glove-box, but after
talking to some ppl, they think its not really a lariat, but i dunno. It
has the padded celing, sliding-rear window, dash crome, no a/c, tilt or
cruise. tweed(i guess thats what it is) seat, not the vinial stuff. What
all did the lariat have, it has no chrome on the body, its been removed and
im looking to sending it back to its better days, with a/c and cruise.. :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 22:08:02 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460

I had trouble trying to find them too, but heres where, they are right
under the lip of the valve covers, above the exhaust ports, almost or
right in the middle, might also be like c8 something or other, anyways,
thats where I found mine. Tell how you think that the valve covers
look, I have been thinking about putting chrome on mine..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

61>Ok folks, real quick question. I have the valve covers off and Im trying to
61>identify my heads. I dont see any D?VE #'s, or anything close. Only one I
61>know of for sure is a big 201 cast into it. Exactly where is the date code
61>stamped?

61>Darrell Duggan
61>74 F-350 "Tweety" (awaiting Aluminum valve covers)
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:01:51 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tragedy Strikes!

Hello Folks. Well Fist off, I got my valve covers put on, they look great.
And Im not leakin oil anymore. Now the bad news. While out putting Tweety
through his paces, he twitched, then it hit. The tranny took a dump, right
there, The only forward motion I get is in 1st, drive and 2nd both make the
truck act as if the brakes were on, and it shudders REAL bad in Reverse.
(Sound familiar Sleddog?) Well its a good thing the dunes are only 15 min....


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