61-79-list-digest Monday, February 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 051



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re Horn
FTE 61-79 - 65 Ford rear axle
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 Ford rear axle
FTE 61-79 - Re: ADMIN: List traffic solution
FTE 61-79 - Archive Search Tool
FTE 61-79 - Mustang II front ends
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List traffic solution
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Alternative Parts Washers
FTE 61-79 - 1979 Pickup Models
FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci
FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 Amber Rear Turn Signals
FTE 61-79 - Front Air Dam 78 F-150 2WD
FTE 61-79 - Cooling +Wheel Bearings all Ford
Re: FTE 61-79 - Head Work
FTE 61-79 - First tilt wheel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Why 360?
FTE 61-79 - Brake lights/ ignition on
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Spare carrier
FTE 61-79 - RE: 65 brake lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!, FTDV3 #49

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 06:54:11 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re Horn

When I got my '67 F100, there was an extra button mounted that was used for
the horn. I'm trying to get the regular button on the steering wheel to
work. I pulled the steering wheel and found when I grounded the horn brush
(little copper pellet looking thing that had a spring attached and fit down
into a shaft) that the horn would blow. Apparently the problem is right in
the steering wheel area. I haven't yet been able to figure out how pushing
the horn button on the steering wheel is supposed to ground that horn brush.
This is kind of complicated to write about but I hope someone can understand
what I'm saying and have an idea.
Thanks,
John


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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 06:21:13 PST
From: "James Varela"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 Ford rear axle

i want to replace the rear axle on my 65 F-100. Can anyone tell me if
the rear axle from a 1973 will fit on the 65 -100

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:57:08 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 Ford rear axle

At 06:21 AM 2/14/99 -0800, you wrote:
>i want to replace the rear axle on my 65 F-100. Can anyone tell me if
>the rear axle from a 1973 will fit on the 65 -100
>

The perches aren't the same width. The width increased in 73.

Ken Payne

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:03:32 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: ADMIN: List traffic solution

Ken Payne wrote:
> I'm going to place the archives on the web site in a
> searchable text archive.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Ken, you have made my day. I went through
the entire archive when I joined the list. It took a few
weeks. Since then, things have come up that I ignored
before and it is just too difficult to look for them in the
archives.

Another big improvement to what is already the best site
on the web. You da man!

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:11:57 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Archive Search Tool

GUUUUUUUMP!!!! You're a g*ddamn genius!!!!

Seriously, this is a great idea. I would assume that the subject line
will be the subject of the query. What we should all begin to do is
keep our subject line specific to the topic and distingush if it is a
question or answer, like for an example:

66 Intermittant Taillights-Q
66 Intermittant Taillights-A

This would allow searching by year ('66) type of problem (intermittant
and taillights) part (tailights)and question or answer(Q or A).

It would also seem to be very helpful to trim our posts. The archives
are a great reference tool and we can all make the most effective use
and building of it by tailoring our posts to what they may be useful for
both now and later.

Ken, please get some sleep. This doesn't have to be done right away, I
know I speak for everyone here, we sure appreciate your efforts.

Three cheers for Ken and Peggy... Hip Hip Hooray...

> Until now, our archives have been maintained on the web
> site in ZIP compressed format. I'm going to place the
> archives on the web site in a searchable text archive.
> This creates a sort of "dynamic FAQ." I'm going to
> implement an anti-spambot script that fills search text
> with bogus email addresses whenever the server recognizes
> that an email address harvester is trying to swipe
> addresses from these archives. This will allow our
> archives to be searchable by humans but useless to
> automated harvester programs.
>
> Hopefully, this will be completed in the next couple of
> days. When its ready, I'll announce it to the lists.
>
> Later,
> Ken Payne
> FTE Admin
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:16:05 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mustang II front ends

Has anyone evr put a Mustang II fronend on their F100? I'm thinking
of doing this to mine in order to get it lower than most I-Beam kits
will. I've thought of also notching the back end too. I'm trying to
get it as low as I can without having it bottom out all the time.


JT

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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:16:36 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List traffic solution

Ken Payne wrote:
> Until now, our archives have been maintained on the web
> site in ZIP compressed format. I'm going to place the
> archives on the web site in a searchable text archive.

This will be the best thing since the FTE was created!
Thanks Ken! And Peggy!
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Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California No Split! No Split! No Split!

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 13:15:56 -0600
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Alternative Parts Washers



>I once took all the castings from a Shopsmith I was rebuilding and put
>them into SWMBO's dishwasher.




Marv, Please excuse my ignorance. What's a SWMBO???
Smeck ;^)

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:42:24 EST
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1979 Pickup Models

I have found 2 models for the 1979 Pickups & 1 1979 Bronco model. The model
numbers are as follows: 1. Wild Hoss (1979 Bronco) AMT #2708 2. Super
Stones (1979 F-150 4x4 Pickup, longbed) AMT #2707 3. The Destoyer
(monster truck 1979 longbed pickup) AMT #6608 If you want one (Not mine
though) I bought all of them from from "The Model King". His address is 1032
Englemere Blvd.-----------Toms River, NJ 08757------phone number is:
1-732-240-3987. I have bought all the models from him at Englishtowns Raceway
Park in New Jersey at one of the 2 swapmeets held each year. I am also a
vendor selling 1973-1979 Pickup & 1978-1979 Bronco parts. Last year (and as
well as this year) I have a few items left, as the internet has sold most of
what I have left. I'll post a week or so before I go, so you guys (and gals
too!!!) can tell me what to keep an eye out for for you. I also have bought
all my 1978 & 1979 factory literature for my trucks. If you need
anything...just tell me. Take care!!!

1979 F-350 Ranger Lariet 4x4
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
Wayne Grabley
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:32:13 EST
From: MUDDYFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci

I have a 1976 F-250 w/ 360 V-8 and a T-18 tranny. The ole 360's got a rod
knockin' and is in need of total rebuild. I want to take my time on rebuilding
it so I can do it right. And was wondering what it would take to swap the 360
w/ straight 6-300ci
I can pick one up fairly cheap, and I've heard they're pretty strong/reliable
motors.

Thanks in Advance,
Phil

1976 F-250 360/T-18
1972 F-100 302/C-6
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:40:19 EST
From: TECHNIC HELIOS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F-150 Amber Rear Turn Signals

Just something I'm thinking of. Put the back up lights underneath rear
bumper, using cheap auxiliary lights. Put amber bulb in the back up light
assembly, with obvious wiring changes. BUT, this would mean brake & turn
signals would flash amber. HOWEVER, J.C.Whitney sell a "module" for
approx. $3.95 to use with 3d brake lights. It "filters" the turn signal
so your 3d brake light does not FLASH with turn signals on cars WITHOUT
separate rear turn signals. What I need is the opposite....filter the
BRAKE light out. Anyone know if this or similar modules works if
reversed? Option B, of course, is to lay a separate cable from front.
Wonder where I would have to tap in and cut wires? Idea is a more
modern, but "factory" look. . Comments? One module or two? Or ??

John in Indianapolis
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:40:19 EST
From: TECHNIC HELIOS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Air Dam 78 F-150 2WD

Many trucks newer than my 1978 F-150 2WD have a small FACTORY air dam
(rubber or plastic ) under the nose panel. Does a newer Ford (or Chevy,
etc.) unit fit the 78? I don't want an expensive, large, aftermarket
unit. I know you can make one out of industrial conveyor belt, but there
are junk yard trucks with $25? air dams. Thanks.
John in Indy
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:40:19 EST
From: TECHNIC HELIOS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cooling +Wheel Bearings all Ford

This is probably well known, but those with cooling problems might try
the "coolant overflow kits" sold at parts stores for under $10. This
consists of a plastic bottle, bracket, very cheap 18" (or so) small
diameter (3/8"?) water overflow hose, and rubber gasket for your radiator
cap. The idea: you get maximum cooling when your radiator is FULL, but a
FULL radiator will "blow-out" some coolant when it heats up. If you leave
the top inch empty, you sacrifice cooling. The kits, in small and large
sizes, permit you to fill the radiator FULL when cold. The rubber gasket
fits under radiator cap (or new cap in a few kits) and permits the heated
coolant to overflow into the plastic jug. When the engine cools down
(after shut down) it sucks the coolant from the overflow back into the
radiator. So you always run with a full load of coolant. This is
"factory" on many newer vehicles, of course, and maybe one can find Ford
parts for a "factory" look. This is helpful for LIGHT overheating-it
doesn't cure severe problems. BTW- this was invented by RENAULT, that
paragon of reliability. ALSO, when you buy wheel bearings, you
might call a bearing or industrial supply house, often found in the
BUSINESS TO BUSINESS yellow pages. Ask for counter sales. You probably
need the bearing number (i.e. Timken A-23) as they don't always have car
part numbers. They can be quite a bit cheaper than car parts places.
Usually geared up to industrial buyers, they have been friendly to me,
even on quantity one sales.

John in Indy.
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:03:29 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Head Work

Knurling isnt a bad idea and it is the cheapest for those who need to
save money. Their is less contact area after knurling so it doesnt last
as long as repacements but in the bright side the little valleys do hold
oil.

The process to put in bronze sleeves is so easy with the right tools
that it doesnt take that much longer than knurling and resizing the
guide.

"William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>
> > I use Bronze Valve guide inserts unless the head has removable guides or
> > the customer asks for cast. They seem to last longer (better wear
> > properties). I charge $5.00 each including guide and only replace what
> > is required.
> > Valve seats i charge $10.00 each for instalation and the seats are worth
> > usuall $8.00 / $12.00 each. (more for propane or deisel.)
>
> What do you think of knurling? The machinist who did my heads knurled
> mine, because he said they were pretty tight as they were.
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:06:10 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - First tilt wheel

>
>Can anyone tell me when tilt wheel was first offered on F-series?
>
>
I believe that would be 1973. '73 was somewhat of a watershed year for
Ford with the introduction of many "car" options to the pickup line such as
the tilt wheel, cruise control, in-dash air conditioning, and stereo
speakers in the doors.
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:11:53 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons

I would only recommend that you dont buy a chep roller tip rocker if do
replace them.
As for pistons you should be able to get from the Keith Black company,
but they are expensive. I bought some for my 351w and they were around
$650 Canadian.

"William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about replacing my rocker shafts with an aftermarket
> adjustable set when I go through the 390. Does anyone have any
> experience with them, if so what brand?
>
> Also, I know that Federal-Mogul makes a hypereutectic piston for the
> 390, but does anyone know of any other brands that make them?
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:23:00 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Why 360?

All of the theories put forth so far make good sense. The determining
factor was probably marketing. Which engine do we dislike the most? (hint:
chebbie SB 350) The FE 360 is bigger, but not too much bigger. This is
probably the same reason the 351M exists instead of only the 400 of the
same vintage. Remember, Ford's main business is to sell trucks (and cars).
Marketing drives all final production decisions. If they don't think it
will sell, they won't do it.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:26:41 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake lights/ ignition on

There were a lot of vehicles made prior to 1967 where the brake lights are
wired to only work when the ignition is on. I believe that brake lights
working with the ignition off was required beginning in 1967 as part of the
federally mandated safety requirements.

If you want to change them to work with the ignition off, trace the feed
line to your fuse panel and switch it to an always hot source. If your
fuses are still labelled, this shouldn't be too hard.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:39:41 -0600
From: ken f allen
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci

I had a straight six 300 it was pretty strong till it threw a rod it was
a good engine though

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:52:36 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-to-Straight 6 300ci

How in the world did you do that? the 300 bottom end is super strong. You
musta been spinnin some serious RPMs.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:51:34 -0600
From: "CharlesT"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons

I bought a set of Keith Black hypereutectic pistons($265) and Crower solid
steel roller rocker arms($288) for my 460. I have just installed them. If
they run as good as they look, it will be awesome. I also recommend spending
the extra $$ for the good rocker arms.

Good Luck.......
charles
79 F150 4x4(460 swap)

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From: John Lord
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons


>I would only recommend that you dont buy a chep roller tip rocker if do
>replace them.
>As for pistons you should be able to get from the Keith Black company,
>but they are expensive. I bought some for my 351w and they were around
>$650 Canadian.
>
>"William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking about replacing my rocker shafts with an aftermarket
>> adjustable set when I go through the 390. Does anyone have any
>> experience with them, if so what brand?
>>
>> Also, I know that Federal-Mogul makes a hypereutectic piston for the
>> 390, but does anyone know of any other brands that make them?
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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:59:18 -0800
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spare carrier

I took a front mount spare tire carrier off my '74 F-250 Camper Special,
anybody want it? Homemade, but fairly well done. I'm near Seattle, you
better arrange to pick it up, must weigh 20 lbs. Needs 2 holes drilled in
bumper, 2 holes in frame under engine. Free for the taking or pay the
shipping bill.

Jim
somewhere near Seattle



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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:56:52 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 65 brake lights

My '67 brake lights will light up with the key off. I'm pretty sure that's the way they are supposed to be.


Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:17:46 -0800
>From: "sam weatherby"

>Every vehicle I have driven ('95 % old Fords) have brake lights that only....


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