61-79-list-digest Sunday, February 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 050



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Was 3/4 ton rear brake seals/ Thanks!
FTE 61-79 - Model Ford Trucks, Matchbox & Other
FTE 61-79 - Dishwasher/Parts Washer
FTE 61-79 - Head Work
RE: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Alternative Parts Washers
RE: FTE 61-79 - Any '66 - '77 Bronco owners on the list ?
FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!, FTDV3 #49
FTE 61-79 - FAQ idea, FTDV3 #49
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine
FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List traffic solution
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine
FTE 61-79 - Fel-Pro 1442 Header Gaskets
FTE 61-79 - wiring for 69' camper special
Re: FTE 61-79 - wiring for 69' camper special
FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons
FTE 61-79 - 65 brake light

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:11:52 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Was 3/4 ton rear brake seals/ Thanks!

Here's an example of how we all need to be a little more careful
with the subject line. I ignored this thread since I don't have a
3/4 ton truck so I missed the problem report and only got the solution
since I glanced at in digest mode (faster for me that individual posts
since 80% of posts are of no interest).

>From the solution, it appears that this could very well be a generic
problem/solution applicable to all years/models.

Would someone make a post (with a generic subject line) that
describes the problem and solution, so we get this into the archives?

I had a problem with axle seals last year and assumed that the problem
was the seal itself, as I found problems when I took axle out, but this
post makes me think I need to go looking further.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:22:54 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Model Ford Trucks, Matchbox & Other

While checking my local Rite Aid (drug type stuff store) I found a
second Ford truck in the 1998 Series 7 Matchbook collection.

The two in the series are described as follows and really are:

Number 53 Ford F150 4X4 and looks like a late 70's-80's
longbed Styleside truck with light bar, huge wheels, white
with blue 7 orange flames on the sides.

Number 55 Flareside Pickup and looks like a early 70's shortbed
flareside truck 4x4 dark blue with larger than stock tires and front
bull bar.

If you go looking for these, look for the number in the upper right
corner, 53 or 55, easiest way to spot them. There may be others
in the series, can't tell.

I also found a RoadChamps model of a '56 F100 flareside., red
stock appearance. About twice the size of a Matchbox truck.
In this Ford truck series, there is also a Explorer, and a Flareside
F150 real new style, didn't look at it long, it may have been a '99.
Officially licensed by FoMoCo.

All these finds, and I still haven't found a '65 Matchbox reported
a couple of weeks ago. Nor have I seen a '67-72 model either.

I'd be willing to trade any of this stuff for a '65, or I can check again
to see if there are any more of these I found if someone can't find
them locally.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 07:56:28 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dishwasher/Parts Washer

I'll keep this in mind if you ever ask me over for dinner. :-)

"...you know, this lasagna tastes a little ...uh..sulphuric....." Nice
clean ring and pinion sit idly in the corner of the kitchen....
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 08:42:29 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Head Work

> I use Bronze Valve guide inserts unless the head has removable guides or
> the customer asks for cast. They seem to last longer (better wear
> properties). I charge $5.00 each including guide and only replace what
> is required.
> Valve seats i charge $10.00 each for instalation and the seats are worth
> usuall $8.00 / $12.00 each. (more for propane or deisel.)


What do you think of knurling? The machinist who did my heads knurled
mine, because he said they were pretty tight as they were.
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 10:00:31 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!

> ----------
> From: Stu Varner[SMTP:varners usit.net]
> Sent: Friday, February 12, 1999 4:49 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
>
> >> I've been wondering why Ford came up with the 360.
>
>
>
snip
> There might even be a
> perception of less cubes meaning better fuel economy in the 360 over the
> 390.
snip
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
>
Hi Stu,
IMHO You hit the nail on the head with that statement. Same can be said
for a 351M.

Tracy
If I had it my way Pintos would've had 460's (grin).

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 11:35:57 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!

In a message dated 99-02-13 10:07:36 EST, you write:

>
I know a guy who had one a few years ago, he was turnin low 10's

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 09:37:21 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Alternative Parts Washers

Jim Elliott wrote, in part:

> Ahem. I speak from experience that using the dishwasher as a parts washer is
> not usually looked upon with high favor.

I once took all the castings from a Shopsmith I was rebuilding and put
them into SWMBO's dishwasher. The dishwashing detergent achieved the
desired results of getting rid of all the old grease and sawdust.
Notice I said ONCE. Never again.

I still occasionaly transport that 'smith in the back of our Ford
Truck (content). ;-)

- -Marv-
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:11:02 -0500
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Any '66 - '77 Bronco owners on the list ?

Jeff: Bill Stroppe of offroad fame built about 600 of them between 71 and
75 I think. Here's my friends web page. It explains it all:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/parklane/.



Thanks
John MacNamara

805 577 2536 wk
805 577 2768 fx
805 526 3464 hm
ESN 495-2536
jmacnam nortelnetworks.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:JJJJJGRANT aol.com [SMTP:JJJJJGRANT aol.com]
> Sent:Friday, February 12, 1999 8:48 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - Any '66 - '77 Bronco owners on the list ?
>
> ok i'm going to ask a stupid question, what is a stroppe?
>
> jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:50:47 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!, FTDV3 #49

Deacon-

Here's my SWAG on why Ford went to the 360: Unshrouding the valves.

If you add .050 to the bore of a 352, it becomes a 360 (obviously).
It also leaves a bit more room on the sides of the valves close to the
cylinder wall. This usually helps with low lift flow, which helps
torque as well. The 390 adds to this with a longer stroke yet,
furthering the benefits of the unshrouded valves. If you want to get
even more torque, go for the 428 crank and make a 410. This can hurt
top end flow if there isn't enough cam. Go farther yet, use a 410/428
(4.13) bore, and unshroud the valves farther for a little more power,
or be able to bump valve sizes without worrying about cylinder wall
clearance.

=46rom what I understand, I think that the skirt change didn't really
affect the engine output or longevity, only clearance for the stroke
of the larger crankshaft. It did have the nice side effect of
lightening the piston somewhat. In really heavy duty applications,
one *might* notice a problem with piston slap or rocking in the bore
with a slipper skirt (390/410) piston.

Chad

>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:50:14 -0800
>From: "Deacon"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
>
> I've been wondering why Ford came up with the 360. It was only =
offered
>in trucks so I was thinking there could be a reason they did it. Would
>having a shorter stroke than the 390 give it more torque at lower rpm's?
>Would the pistons having longer skirts enable them to dissipate heat
>better? Not that it's been a major focal point in my quest for =
knowledge,
>but I have pondered on the reasoning Ford did it.

..snip..

>more than one, isn't trimming their reply. Not to be a list cop, just
>pointing out an area needing improvement. "]

Agreed!

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:06:30 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FAQ idea, FTDV3 #49

Sam--

I agree with you completely on the FAQ item. I'd like to suggest to
Ken that a link to our technical links page be included in the
signature line of our email posts like the uns*bscribe info. This
might encourage new lurkers (or forgetful old-timers) to check it out
first, similar to a FAQ, and post follow up questions for detail. =20

Something like this:

=46TE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
=46TE: Tech articles http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/index.html

There have been quite a few situations where people rehash stuff that
has been covered in detail before, and that is well documented
elsewhere. One that comes to mind is the disc brake conversion. I
believe that this would also fall under the banner of reducing list
traffic, so we can continue to be one big, happy, FTE family.

Chad

>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:48:26 -0800
>From: "sam weatherby"
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!
>
>There are very little mechanical differences between the 65-79 trucks.
>I would want to be on a list like that.
>perhaps compiling a faq of sorts for the different lists will help cut =
down
>traffic by covering often asked questions.
> -srw

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 14:58:41 -0600
From: ken f allen
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360? What was Ford thinking!

I've got a 72' half ton with a striaght six 300, I threw a rod so now I'm
going to put a 302 in it.

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:28:25 -0600
From: lwblumjr juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine

John,

You mentioned replacing points but not condenser. Have you
replaced the condenser? I have seen many condensers go
bad and the only thing I have found about a bad condenser is
that the symptoms are totally different from the last bad condenser's
symptoms. One engine would crank and run fine until it warmed
up then die. A few minutes later, it would crank and run ok.
Another, I had the engine running, just fine, turned the car off,
tried to crank it back up and nothing, turned over great, no fire.
Another would run fine, then sputter and backfire, then run fine
then sputter and backfire. All of the above were bad condensers.
If you have not replaced the condenser, try it. If you have, try it
again. (The first one above was with a new condenser.) No
guarantee with electrical auto parts. Just trying to help. Could
be something else altogether.

>Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:19:59 -0700
>From: "bertolin"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Some don't like it hot
>
>John, my 1965 F100 with 240 6 cyl. engine was doing similar things
>several
>months ago. A mechanic said the fuel pump was "fine".."good flow". The
>truck
>usually ran great but would occasionally lose power when fully warmed
>up
>acting like it had vapor lock. I would end up stalled in traffic...it
>would
>ultimately start and usually run great the rest of the trip. Sometimes
>it
>would lose power but recover before stopping completely. This was
>after
>changing spark plugs, spark plug wires, adjusting timing & carburetor
>kit.
>One day it wouldn't start at all after resting in the garage for a
>couple
>days. I took a stab at it and changed the fuel pump. Since changing
>the fuel
>pump, the truck runs great, no more stalling or loss of power. My
>novice
>guess is the fuel pump was beginning to die and therefore was
>inconsistent
>in it's behavior. It was at least kind to me in that it ultimately
>died at
>home in the garage. Good luck, hope this helps, Roberta
>
>>New question: 1967 F100 with 300 engine, Single Bbl Carb. Starts
>wonderfully, runs like a >champ. Drive it for two or 3 miles. Shut it
>off
>for 10-15 minutes. Does not want to start. >Crank and crank and crank
>- it
>sputters then chugs for a while then it will settle down and >run. It
>will
>then completely stop two or three times as you drive away and will
>restart
>>itself. I've had the carb rebuilt, new points, plugs, distributor,
>coil,
>timing,
>>dwell. What next? Thanks, John

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:43:45 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List

I had my fling with the older Broncos and the only "goody" I have left is a
full set of the exterior trim for the top. I don't need them, if anyone is
interested.
Jacques
Bend, Ore: Where Ford crew cabs are exempt from inspection!



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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:57:30 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List

My dad has an entire 68 Bronco with a 289 sitting in his back yard. I
learned how to drive on it. Its been parked for 15 years, still trying to
get him to give it to me.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 03:03:47 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List

Jacques,
I'm interested. Will they fit a 73, and how nuch do you want?

Jeff

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> From: Jacques and Barbara DeKalb
> To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 66-77 Bronco owners on the List
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2015 2:43 PM
>
> I had my fling with the older Broncos and the only "goody" I have left is
a
> full set of the exterior trim for the top. I don't need them, if anyone
is
> interested.
> Jacques
> Bend, Ore: Where Ford crew cabs are exempt from inspection!
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:06:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List traffic solution

As many of you know, it doesn't look like the list split
vote is going to pass. (I'm kinda glad since personally
I'm against it)

However, on the 61-79 list, there have been many strong
opinions expressed for splitting the lists and many of
the reasons are valid. I've figured out a solution that
should take care of the primary reason a split is needed:
lots of list traffic on the 61-79 list.

Until now, our archives have been maintained on the web
site in ZIP compressed format. I'm going to place the
archives on the web site in a searchable text archive.
This creates a sort of "dynamic FAQ." I'm going to
implement an anti-spambot script that fills search text
with bogus email addresses whenever the server recognizes
that an email address harvester is trying to swipe
addresses from these archives. This will allow our
archives to be searchable by humans but useless to
automated harvester programs.

Hopefully, this will be completed in the next couple of
days. When its ready, I'll announce it to the lists.

Later,
Ken Payne
FTE Admin


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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:13:40 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine

My 302 would miss under load and foul plug very often, at first I
thought it was running rich but still it would miss. It wouldn't do
it all the time though just every once in a while. After a few months
of it doing this I decided to put new points condenser and cap, it
hasn't done it since that. Now I have a Mallory electronic
w/mechanical adv. very nice don't have any vacume lines anymore.



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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:17:33 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re'67 F-100 with 300 engine

Hmmm. Should have read all the message. That starting after running
seems to happen a lot. My 302 did that too, so did a friends 390.
Still does ,not as bad, even with my new and fuel pump AFB on it.
Never figured it out. My truck sometimes above 3000RPM would just
fall flat, the tac would show it still firing but there was nothing,
I just assumed it was vapor locking thats all that made sense to me.
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:54:36 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fel-Pro 1442 Header Gaskets

I have posted a few times about my preference for Fel-Pro
#1442 header gaskets on my 390. One thing I did not mention
was the fact that the bolt holes on these gaskets are off
by about 1/8" (too low) to match the ports on the head.

To get these to work well you need to take some time to
match up the ports on the heads and the header flange and
cut the bolt holes in the appropriate places. The port
holes in the gasket are bigger than the port itself so you
have to center the gasket on the ports.

Why do I bring this up now? Because when I swapped the old
motor from the F-100 to the F-250, I was in a big hurry,
forgot to do this, and just now figured out what that darn
ticking sound was. I can't believe I did that. I put new
gaskets in this morning and now it is purring like a kitten.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:02:56 +0000
From: Dale Bose
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wiring for 69' camper special

I'm looking for the wiring diagram for a 69 camper special, I need it
from the firewall to the park and tail lights. have been looking for a
long time and not much sucess. Local dealers don't have anything on it.
Does someone have one or know where I could look for one?? If you have
and could get me a copy that would be great! E-mail me at
drbose swnebr.net Thanks Dale
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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:57:36 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - wiring for 69' camper special

A company called Macs antique auto has wiring diagrams for 68 and 70
pickups their # is 1-800-777-0948, they do send free catalogs but it
takes a couple months to get one. Hope this helps some.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:15:31 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rockers and Pistons

I'm thinking about replacing my rocker shafts with an aftermarket
adjustable set when I go through the 390. Does anyone have any
experience with them, if so what brand?

Also, I know that Federal-Mogul makes a hypereutectic piston for the
390, but does anyone know of any other brands that make them?
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