61-79-list-digest Friday, February 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 048



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Jim Dove Al FE heads/ FE club!
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging
FTE 61-79 - list split - trimming responses
Re: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
FTE 61-79 - Split List
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: No list cops
FTE 61-79 - 66 Power Steering Conversion
[none]
FTE 61-79 - List solidarity
FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot Running 390
FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals
FTE 61-79 - List-Split
FTE 61-79 - 75 f250 or 350 crew cab 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - reverse light harness
re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - Alt/List Split

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:31:24 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jim Dove Al FE heads/ FE club!

At 10:16 AM 2/11/99 EST, you wrote:
>Does anyone know anything about the aluminum FE heads from Dove that are
>designed for pickups and lower-RPM torque motors? I think they just recently
>became available....
>
CJ -
Jim Dove in Columbia Station Ohio?? Expensive and I have heard awesome
quality from a few and junk from a few!
You'll have to decide for yourself! I personally feel there is enough
quality FE stuff still out there if you look hard enough that is cheaper
but that is one man's opinion ...waiting for the flame thrower! I have a
connection here close to me for for high quality hi-po stuff lemme know and
I will get his number for you. (I have to drive by his shop to get it, sorry)
He goes to all the big FoMoCo parts swap meets across the country and deals
mainly in Galaxies, Fairlane (my fav!) and Mustangs of 60's vintage.

BTW- There is an FE club based in Reliance, Tennessee dedicated to the
history and preservation of FE's. $24 per year with 6 newsletters. As
soon as I get my first issue I will post that info too! I mailed it last
month. Many people here on the list would enjoy being a member, me thinks!

Anyway back to the heads, he priced me a set of them (alum. low lift
heads) a year or so ago.......I just couldn't bring myself to dropping that
kind of scratch on a set. I have the catalog at school and I will send all
this neessary info to you tomorrow.

You can order get a catalog from him for free but the parts he makes are
incredible to look at and druel over! huge prices too!!!

I think a new SOHC stroked 427 FE in the 700 plus hp range was nearing
40,000 dollars!

New 427 FE blocks made of aluminum........4,000 bucks
I shant say anymore, it has been a tearful enough day as it is!
;^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:49:16 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging

Thanks for your message at 09:04 AM 2/11/99 -0800, Wiltzius, Tom. Your
message was:
>Dennis,
>The engine is a 360 bored 60 over (equiv disp = 377 ci) with a mild rv grind
>cam (194deg/204deg - .46 and ,48 lift)
>I guess I was under the impression that a 625 cfm carb was on the small side
>and would match my engine fairly well.


My mistake. I guess I got my threads crossed. For some reason, I thought
it was a stock 302. As, I said, I'm no expert. I know there are many on
here who could give you technical and precise reasons that your carb and
cam would go well together. Any other feedback help you out? The vacuum
secondary explanation made sense to me.

I know what it's like to get something together and not get the ooomph you
expect...






Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:56:37 -0700
From: Brian Koss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - list split - trimming responses

Would we need to split if people trimmed there responses? I don't
particularly care about Bob's valve cover color but it takes miliseconds to
skim past it. It takes several seconds to wade though the uncut trailers.


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:01:27 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

Thanks for your message at 01:16 PM 2/11/99 -0600, bkirking bcm.tmc.edu.
Your message was:
>>>Yes. By all means. I get more mail than I can read. Maybe narrowing =
>the range of the list would reduce the load and I could keep up with it.

An analogy--We have too many books in our library because I can't read them
all...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:05:03 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

Thanks for your message at 11:58 AM 2/11/99 -0800, Brandt, Chris. Your
message was:
> I can't help but comment here . This list generates a
>tremendous amount of crap mail that is totally unessary and a waste of a
>bunch of time and bandwidth .
>
>The list does not need to split, it does hewever need its users to
>stop being so liberal with the reply button.
>

Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one.
- -- A.J. Liebling

Hit that damn "Reply" button again.



Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:34:22 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Split List

Ken and FTE,
Why don't we split the list and those who want to keep informed can joint
more than one list. I would rather see the 61 thru 66 all the time and the
rest when I have time. You know we're going to split sooner or later- lets
get it out of the way!
Tim
66 F100 w/352
3 Speed w/OD
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:56:50 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: No list cops

No one is here to be a list cop. Those who complain about
signal-to-noise ratio are creating it themselves. I disagree
and I agree comments about the same old arguments simply
clutters the list. Please voice your opinion with your
vote on the web site.

Ken

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:58:00 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power Steering Conversion

OK FTE- here is my preliminary list to convert your 66F100 with a
352/360/390 to power steering:

Description Ford P/N Years Qty Auto Zone P/N
Bracket- adjusting C5SZ-3A732-B 66-70 1 none
Pump C7TZ-3A674-A 66-69 1
Steering Unit C7TZ-3504-E 66-69 1 7532
Support C7TZ-3C511-D 66-70 1 none
Pulley- Pump C5AZ-3A733-G 66-67 1 none
Belt ------------ ----- 1 17460
Hose- Hi Pressure ------------ ----- 1 70956
Pulley- Crank C1AZ-6A312-C ----- 1 none
Spacer- Pump C5SZ-3D600-B ----- 2 none

This is all I have at this time and I haven't installed it yet so I'm not
real certain of all the numbers. When I'm done, I hope to write a tech
paper for the FTE page. Anyone who can add or correct the above info,
plaese get back to me.

Tim
66 F100 w/352
3 Speed w/OD
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:43:29 -0500
From: antimony mindspring.com
Subject: [none]

I recently bought a 1974 F100 Ranger- with a 390-2V. The engine had about
115,000 miles on it when the oil pump went. When I went to fix the oil pump
I decided to rebuild the engine due to the high mileage and it was burning a
lot of oil. When I bought the truck, it ran pretty hot, up near the H on
the guage. I just finished rebuilding it, put 2 new thermostats( low temp-
160 degrees) in and a new radiator, and a new temperature guage so I would
know exactly what temperature the engine was operating at. I also put a
slightly bigger cam in. The engine is still running hotter than I would
expect it to. It gets up to about 205-210 at an idle and down around
180-190 when driving on the open road. Does anyone know if these engines
tend to run on the hot side? I am concerned that there may be some other
problem since it is running so hot with a low temp. thermostat. I would
really appreciate it
if anyone could respond and let me know at about what temp the engine runs
at optimally or suggest problems that may be causing high temps.
Thanks for your time. G Harrison--



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:02:37 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - List solidarity

Sung to the tune of AMERICA :

Oh beautiful those Ford trucks are
they never go away...
and like our trucks this list, I hope
together long will stay...
Oh FTE, Oh FTE, let's tarry not on doom
we'll snip our posts, to help our host
not use up so much room.

Ok, ok, I'll stop. But seriously, I like this list
"as is" ( could you tell?) I hope to keep on
making friends and learning things here =

for a long time. I like "Bob's" valve covers
just fine. Now, is there a music teacher here?

Tim in Anchorage
67' F-100 (it's Y2K compliant!)
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:25:45 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot Running 390

In a message dated 2/11/99 11:06:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
antimony mindspring.com writes:

> The engine is still running hotter than I would
> expect it to. It gets up to about 205-210 at an idle and down around
> 180-190 when driving on the open road. Does anyone know if these engines
> tend to run on the hot side? I am concerned that there may be some other
> problem since it is running so hot with a low temp. thermostat.

The fact that you have a 160 deg. thermostat does not dictate your operating
temp. It will simply open sooner to allow flow because it has a lower
temperature threshold. I think that bw 180-200 degrees is "generally normal"
operating temperature. However, a fresh re-build will run hotter due to the
increased friction in the bores (more or less friction depending on where your
build is on tolerances, type of rings and cylinder finish or lack thereof).
The way you have it timed and tuned may also affect operating temperature as
would the type of fan you have, whether you have a shroud among some other
things. I would make sure your coolant is flowing and that it is a proper
mix of coolant. I have seen situation where coolant passages were blocked off
by incorrectly installed head-gasket or "crud" in water passages. Did you
verify the temp yours is running with a "good" thermometer? After-market
gauges are not known to report a very accurate temp. At the temp yours is
running you are awfully close to boiling. You do not want it to overheat.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:48:34 -0700
From: Gene Gardner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals

>I seem to have a problem keeping the diff. lube out of my brake drums.

Steven:

Had the same symptoms with my 70 F100 -- turns out the vent hole for the
rear axle was plugged up, causing the seal to keep popping off and send oil
to the brakes.. Amazing how much pressure can build up (I heard suction
when I removed the drain plug on the diff) ... Cleaned the vent, so far so
good, but it's only been 2 weeks.

Gene -- Texican Teacher, Hermosillo, Mexico
70 F100 (300 six)

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:36:02 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - List-Split

Big John, you have this truly elegant way of taking that ten pound
sledge and knocking the bell clean off the pole.

Sleep and human companionship will be entirely unecessary after I
upgrade my machine to a 400 mhz 56K screamer 21 inch monitor with built
in espresso maker. Life will be good, and I guarantee you won't catch
me p*ssin' and moanin' about too much mail!

Never have anyway, come to think of it, I await the nuggets of wisdom of
my fellow listmen like a rat in a cage waiting for my next feeding.
Keep em comin they're Gooouuud!!!!

Time to call Safety Kleen to change the solvent in my bathtub.

> >>Yes. By all means. I get more mail than I can read. Maybe narrowing =
> the range of the list would reduce the load and I could keep up with it.
>
> I don't mean anything personal to the party that wrote this quote. I picked
> it because it seemed to do a good job of expressing a common complaint.
> Here's my suggested options for solution to everyone with this problem:
>
> 1. Take a speed reading course.
> 2. Quit sleeping. You get plenty of time to read all of your e-mail this
> way.
> 3. If SWMBO complains about #1, lose her. Your computer can provide all of
> your needs for companionship.
> 4. Unsubscribe from all of those other lists that don't even begin to
> compare with FTE.
> 6. Sell your computer and go back to watching TV.
>
> Leave FTE 61-79 List alone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:45:06 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 f250 or 350 crew cab 4x4

i'm in sales and travel around, i'm constantly looking for mustangs, old
broncos and old 4x4 ford trucks, two months ago i found the 65 f250 4x4,
didn't buy it though, today i came across a 75 or 76 f250 or maybe 350 4x4
crew cab short wheel base. the fender badges were gone and there was no one at
home, so i'm not sure about it yet. i got the tag number, so i'll call the tag
in tomorrow and see if i can get a name.
what sould the truck be f250 or 350?

thanks,
jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:54:02 -0800
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - reverse light harness

I got my switch from a performance shop..worked perfect with my toploader..

MARTY COLMAN wrote:

> There are no wires at all near the tranny, so I'll have to run some new
> ones. But that is no problem if I can find the switch connector. I'll
> have to check the local yards. Thanks
>
> Marty
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:31:12 -0800
From: "Jim Cron"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

>Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:42:59 -0800
>From: Don Grossman
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
>
>I am thinking of adding a second alternator. Call me crazy but I just
>wanted to see if it could be done electrically. Two alternators
>charging the same system. Anyone have any ideas?
>

Yes, you're crazy. Controlling two alt's will be, imho, a mess. Unless you
take care to make sure one always comes on at lower voltage, you could have
them cutting in and out in a most uncontrolled fashion. One can put out all
the amps you want to put in a battery at one time. Two alt's into two
separate batteries could be good, but keep the systems separate.

Jim
somewhere near Seattle



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:31:11 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alt/List Split

"How 'bout 1 alternator + 1 old 3.5 hp lawnmower motor = 1 portable....


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