Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb

61-79-list-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 047

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb
FTE 61-79 - Bathtub Parts Washer
FTE 61-79 - Headwork
FTE 61-79 - Compressor
FTE 61-79 - Balance Tube
FTE 61-79 - Dueling Alternators
FTE 61-79 - 390 questions / dual exhaust
FTE 61-79 - 4x2 to 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Dove Aluminum FE heads
FTE 61-79 - PS Brackets
RE: FTE 61-79 - overheating??
FTE 61-79 - Re: headers |6
FTE 61-79 - Q tip options
FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - List split
FTE 61-79 - burnt valves
FTE 61-79 - Accident?
FTE 61-79 - reverse light harness
FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625
FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging
FTE 61-79 - 76 f-250 front grill replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals
Re: FTE 61-79 - grease fittings on the front of a 79
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers |6
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging
RE: FTE 61-79 - 76 f-250 front grill replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
Re: FTE 61-79 - List split
RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625
Re: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
RE:another option: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
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Re: RE:another option: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:38:57 -0600
From: "CharlesT"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb

Hi Mike.
I am near Houston and I am also looking for a set of headers(460 in a '79
F150 4X4 3inch lift). I am considering L&L Products. I hear Hooker is the
best, but they are also very pricey. L&L=$425-450 Hooker=$550-575.
As for as getting together, that would not work for me until my project is
complete. Now, if you or I just happen to be passing thru Houston or Lufkin,
maybe we could stop in and compare notes.
My project can be found at:
www.hal-pc.org/~charlest/ford.html

Thanks,
Charles
79 F150 4x4
95 Windstar
98 CrownVic
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From: Michael Ray Jones
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Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:55 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb

>Can anyone recommend a good (and inexpensive) set of headers for a 77
>F150 with a 460?
>
>Also, I see messages from a few guys in Houston. I'm up in Lufkin. I
>wonder if there would be any interest in getting together once every
>month or two two compare progress on the trucks?
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:30:21 -0500
From: "Norm or Tracie Tischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb

Hi Mike.
I am near Houston and I am also looking for a set of headers(460 in a '79
F150 4X4 3inch lift). I am considering L&L Products. I hear Hooker is the
best, but they are also very pricey. L&L=$425-450 Hooker=$550-575.

Hey guys....I am not sure what you are looking for in a header.....If you
are considering a fenderwell design, Headman makes a nice fenderwell header
that they sell under their Husler moniker....I have a set of these on my
Bronco and can say that they fit and work much better than the L&L headers
that used to be on the trk....They offer much better clearence around the
steering shaft and around the shock towers......Hope this helps, and if ya
need more info just e-mail me...

Norm

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:32:27 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bathtub Parts Washer

That one makes SWMBO happy I bet!

"....come git this transmission out the bathtub so I can take a bath!!!"

> bathtub full of solvent,
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:01:00 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headwork

You did well on the price. I had a set of '65 T-bird heads done for my
truck(still sitting in the garage) and I spent approx $350, and only
knurled the guides. I had the exhaust seats replaced with hardened
ones, new exhaust valves and springs.

> Well I did some digging, and someone else had asked me for the info, so I
> thought I'd post it to the list. There were some spring shims put in, but
> when I got my cam he decided that the shims wouldn't allow the springs to
> work correctly, so new springs have been added to this (and the shims
> credited), but I don't have the motor back yet, so I can't tell you what
> those prices are gonna be ...
>
> 1 Labor 357.41
>
> 16 valve guides 1.95/per - 31.20
> 8 valve seats 5.53/per - 44.24
> 10 inserts 0.73/per - 7.30
> 6 inserts 0.73 per - 4.38
> probably the spring shims
> 1 helicoil 2.95
> threads were bad I guess
> 1 24" deluxe snow scraper 4.85
>
> Total 466.63+tax
>
> If I got hosed, well its too late, but hopefully this will give someone a
> ball park of what a really worn engine might cost on the head side ...
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:05:22 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Compressor

Larry Schmiedekamp writes: >> Has anyone tried using this comfiguration on a
smaller truck. ie mounting brackets for air brakes compressor and location.

That is precisely what I was looking for when I wsed the old A/C compressor for
my air compressor on the old farm truck, but they were not very easy to find,
and very expensive when I did manage to find a couple, so I passed and rigged up
the pld A/C unit as an air compressor. Been on at least 15 years and never a
problem.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:07:12 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Balance Tube

This is the way I learned to do it too.
>
> The best way I've been told is to hook up the exhaust system in its final
> configuration and paint a thin line on the collectors extending back onto
> the pipes. Run the engine up to operating temperature and check to see where
> the paint burns off of the pipes. That is where to place the balance tube.
> BTW that info came from the performance list I believe it was Chris Samuels
> that posted it. You may want to double check with him. I don't know if he's
> still on this list.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:21:00 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dueling Alternators

> 2) Two alternators, one regulator (connect fields in parallel). This
> one has a chance of working, but most likely will be imbalanced and
> one alternator will do most of the work. Probably won't hurt anything.
> The rectifier bridges in the alternators should provide isolation,
> and to a small degree even out the current distribution. Connect the
> alternator outputs directly together. You could probably balance the
> outputs by adding small resistors in series with each field, and
> adjusting this resistance while monitoring current from each alt.

I would guess that this would be the best way, but as Pat said, you
would only be using the second one under heavy demand. You'd definitely
want enough resistance in the system to keep the second one from
saturating the first one's diodes, the resistors are a great idea.

You might go to some RV dealerships and look at their charging setup.
You would find a dual setup there more likely than anywhere.
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:56:31 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions / dual exhaust

>>>also, i am told that uneven back pressure from the exhaust pipes (duals no
>headers) is a likely cause of the burnt valves,
>do i need an H pipe in the exhaust

Two common causes of burned valves are improper carb jetting and on a V8 a
heat riser butterfly stuck closed . A carb mixture that is too lean lets
the cylinder temp run too hot. A mixture too rich allows carbon build up on
the valves. That little spot of carbon acts like a heat sink or a carbon
torch attachment for an arc welder. It literally melts the valve and
sometimes the valve seat.

I've run true duals on lots of vehicles over the past 30 years. I've never
had a problem with burned valves. My dad had a 66 Buick Wildcat that needed
a valve job about every 30k miles. The reason is he changed the jets in the
carb quite a bit smaller trying to improve the gas mileage. He didn't help
the gas mileage either. IMHO, putting an H pipe between your duals defeats
the purpose of duals. You would do a better job of getting equal back
pressure and lower back pressure together by running a bigger single pipe.
That's what most deisels have. Again, MHO only, I have no hard fast proof,
just years of experience and quite a bit of education (albeit old) on fluid
dynamics.

- -John

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4x2 to 4x4

Hi Mark,

I'm sure you can do it. The only thing, and I'm not sure how important it is
unless you are really going to thrash the truck, is that I think the 4x4
frames are boxed for several feet past the front axle and the 4x2 frames
aren't....If you are in the "project mode", I would suggest looking for a 4x4
frame, piece together an undercarraige, then swap bodies.....

CJ
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:16:27 EST
From: BDIJXS

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dove Aluminum FE heads

Does anyone know anything about the aluminum FE heads from Dove that are
designed for pickups and lower-RPM torque motors? I think they just recently
became available....

CJ
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:16:34 EST
From: BDIJXS

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - PS Brackets

Figured this was a good time to ask again if anyone has any spare P/S brackets
for an FE....the two-piece style that adjusts with a bolt rather than with a
crowbar....

CJ
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:40:04 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - overheating??

>> sudden it jumped up to 165 ... not overheating (barely warm), but it was a
>> jump and that's what the other gauge had been doing. Maybe it was stuck
>
>I believe what you saw was the thermostat opening. Your gauge is probably
>plugged in downstream from the thermostat.
>
Its up stream from the thermostat (in the manifold is up stream right?)
anyway the thermostat snapping open wouldn't have caused this because the
same water that activates the thermostat is sitting on the heat sensor ...
also it hasn't done it since ... no big deal, just a warning if you install
one and get the same thing...

Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:54:26 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers |6

hey,

anyone know if the 300 |6 exhaust header will fit a 240 |6 ?
and...is the exhaust header for the 240 a hard thing to find new..
I have not started looking..so sorry if this is an obvious question..

Bruce
65 Mercury F-100 (M-100??) 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:05:39 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q tip options

>>>Careful--there are specific statutes which vary from state to state designed
to protect annoyed spouses when household facilities are to used for parts
washing....a "bathtub full of solvent" (aside from the obvious hazards) has
been known to cause divorce in some cases.

True. Actually, if you knew my true identity {if I told you, then I'd have
to kill you
have to be in the house nor even look like a bathtub. They are often
described as wash tubs. The main idea was a large vessel capable of holding
both solvent and the FE part needing to be soaked. If a little personal
hygiene works out, hey that's just a bonus.

- -John

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:47:05 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Accident?

Tommy wrote:

> since floor jack fell and dented it. Luckily I made it out before it
> happened, it was a close one, puh!

Tommy, think about what happened. What does it cost to get your
smashed skull fixed by the medical profession, even if it's partially
covered by your mom's insurance? (That's assuming you aren't killed,
DEAD).

A BUNCH O' BUCKS!

What do a pair of jackstands cost? If you can afford (even a cheap)
floor jack, you can't afford NOT to have a pair of safety stands.

Just go out today and get some. Just DO it. Today.

Use 'em.

'Nuff said.

Let's be safe out there.

- -Marv-
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:59:05 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - reverse light harness

There are no wires at all near the tranny, so I'll have to run some new
ones. But that is no problem if I can find the switch connector. I'll
have to check the local yards. Thanks

Marty

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:58:35 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA,

What does over-carburetored mean? And can I fix it.?

Tom
Reno.NV

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:04:25 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging

Dennis,
The engine is a 360 bored 60 over (equiv disp = 377 ci) with a mild rv grind
cam (194deg/204deg - .46 and ,48 lift)
I guess I was under the impression that a 625 cfm carb was on the small side
and would match my engine fairly well.
Tom
Reno,NV
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:12:16 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625

Thanks for your message at 08:58 AM 2/11/99 -0800, Wiltzius, Tom. Your
message was:
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA,
>
>What does over-carburetored mean? And can I fix it.?
>
>

Someone else said it better--under-cammed. You need a cam that will allow
your valves to use all that gas your dumping into your engine. There is a
real tendency (myself included) to put too much carb on an engine without
the internal capability to use all the gasoline efficiently. You need at
least a mild street cam IMHO. And I should tell you, I am not an expert.
All the above is strictly from experience. My comments only apply if you,
in fact, do not have a cam with enough duration. If you do, I withdraw my
comment with apologies.

Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:27:33 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging

>The engine is a 360 bored 60 over (equiv disp = 377 ci) with a mild rv grind
>cam (194deg/204deg - .46 and ,48 lift)
>I guess I was under the impression that a 625 cfm carb was on the small side
>and would match my engine fairly well.

I've got a 600 on my 360 which is stock bore as far as I know ... It never
seems to bog or cause over carbbing, but seems like the equation I saw said
like 609 would be the perfect size (assuming some volumetric efficiency
less than100%) So its possible you've got a bit too much carb, but I
wouldn't think it would cause too much of a bog ...

Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:35:17 -0800 (PST)
From: JOSEPH SUITS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 f-250 front grill replacement

I recently was in an accident (I rearended a 98 tacoma) with my 76
f250 trailer special and I would like some advice on replacing the
front grill and the front trim. I have seen replacement items from
companies like billet and others and I am looking for the easiest
switch out possible. has anyone out there done this. I am new at
working on trucks and I have made minor body repairs to cars before.
I am wondering how difficult this is from someone who has done this
themselves. and are the kits easier to work with than oem replacements

also dows anyone have a front grill assembly for a
76 f250 with round headlights

Joe
1976 F-250 Trailer Special 460
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:29:29 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals

Steve

Check you dif. vent. May be plugged and bulding up presure in the dif. It's
on top of the axel, else may have too much lube in the dif.

Larry

At 07:45 PM 2/10/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I have a '70 F250 . I seem to have a problem keeping the diff. lube out of
>my brake drums. I've gone thru two sets of shoes, both times I have replaced
>the shoes I also changed the seal on the back of the drum but they don't
>seem to be able to keep the oil out of the brakes. The seal surface (?) on
>the axle housing is in good shape. Anybody got any tips on how to make
>these things stay sealed up? Thanks, Steve
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:37:25 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - grease fittings on the front of a 79

Two more on the top where you found the bottom one's. And some on the drag
linkage and pitman arm.

At 11:45 PM 2/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I am going to try and locate all the grease fittings on the front of my 79,
>I found 2 so far, I havent really looked that much, just noticed the 2, one
>below each front wheel where the spindle (?) is. How many more should there
>be and where are they at? Just thought I'd lube it before I put it on the
>road. I have run it through the hay field several times to make sure nothing
>would break or anything and everything seems to be in tip-top shape (of
>course it would, its a Ford). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
>
> Virginia Jeff
>79 F-150 302 C-6
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:48:42 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers |6

Yes. The exhuaust and intake manifolds for the 240, and a 300 are the
same, should be a direct swap. They are hard to find, and expensive if you
buy new. (like $270 bucks just for exhaust) I have an old intake/exhaust
manifold that is still bolted together if you need it. The ex. manif. has
2 small hairline cracks in it but it doesn't leak. A whole used combo in a
junkyard should cost you between $75-125 bucks depending on condition.

At 07:54 AM 2/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>hey,
>
>anyone know if the 300 |6 exhaust header will fit a 240 |6 ?
>and...is the exhaust header for the 240 a hard thing to find new..
>I have not started looking..so sorry if this is an obvious question..
>
>
>Bruce
>65 Mercury F-100 (M-100??) 2WD P/U 240 |6
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:55:17 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Edelbrock 625 bogging

Don't know if this applies to your application as I missed the first
part of the thread, but maybe sharing my experience will give you
another angle on your problem.

I've had a Carter 625cfm for about 10 years now. I originally bought
it and an Edelbrock Performer intake to try and improve my bone
stock 351M. Used it on that engine with good results until that
engine gave out. Built a 400M and used it on that for many years
until it busted the crank on the way to work about a year and a half
ago. I now run a modified 460 with the Carter 625 on it. I noticed on
the 400 that it would stumble a little when you let off the gas and then
hit the gas again. Couldn't figure it out. Finally went to a speed shop
and picked up a book on Carters and read all about it. I discovered
that the Carter relies on vacuum to move the rod in and out of the
jet. Not an uncommon thing in the design on carbs, but what made
the difference for me was the spring that controlled how the rod
acted in relation to the vacuum pulling on it. Carters have 5 or 6
different springs of varying stiffness that control how early or late
the rod moves in and out of the jet in relation to the vacuum generated
by the engine.
Long story short- after reading the book I changed to a stiffer spring
on the rod and problems were over.
I now run it on my 460 and can lean it out so far the it'll barely run by
doing a 10 minute jet and rod change ( good for going through
emissions!) or run it as rich as I want.
Bottom line- I've found it to be a very "tuneable" carb once I figured out
the whole rod/jet/spring/pump thing.
BTW, for those of you who have the Edelbrock carb, they're virtually the
same as the Carter. In fact, I use the Edelbrock rods, jets, and springs
when I want to tune my Carter up.

Hope this helps,
Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:09:36 -0500
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 76 f-250 front grill replacement

Joe: You can get the facia piece off by removing the rubber fenderwells and
removing the body bolts located up in the front of the fenderwell. The
grill can be removed from the facia piece by just removing the screws. Easy
job!!

Thanks
John MacNamara

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> From:JOSEPH SUITS [SMTP:joesuits

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> Sent:Thursday, February 11, 1999 9:35 AM
> To:61-79-list

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> Subject:FTE 61-79 - 76 f-250 front grill replacement
>
> I recently was in an accident (I rearended a 98 tacoma) with my 76
> f250 trailer special and I would like some advice on replacing the
> front grill and the front trim. I have seen replacement items from
> companies like billet and others and I am looking for the easiest
> switch out possible. has anyone out there done this. I am new at
> working on trucks and I have made minor body repairs to cars before.
> I am wondering how difficult this is from someone who has done this
> themselves. and are the kits easier to work with than oem replacements
>
> also dows anyone have a front grill assembly for a
> 76 f250 with round headlights
>
> Joe
> 1976 F-250 Trailer Special 460
> BA-BU Bad A**- Butt Ugly
>
>
>
>
> ==
> Joe Suits
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:24:27 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

John LaGrone wrote:

> >>> I am thinking of adding a second alternator.
>
> I'm curious. What advantage do you hope to gain by having two alternators?
>
> -John
>

Added charging capacity and redundancy in case of failure. I might go all
the way and have two completely different systems, batteries and all. I
noticed during these winter months and darker days that when I need my lights
on and such ( electric fan, air compressor, other lights on) that at idle the
current alternator doesn't really keep up. I know an auxiliary throttle
cable would bump up the idle enough to keep the amps up but all the extra
fuel used during 30 minutes or more adds up. I know I should just go out and
buy a nice 170 amp unit but I'm cheap sometimes and want to use what I have
laying around :)

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon

pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:16:16 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking

bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

>>Yes. By all means. I get more mail than I can read. Maybe narrowing =
the range of the list would reduce the load and I could keep up with it.

This topic comes up way too much...The arguements for splitting are simply for
convenience sake alone and that in my mind is too little to justify the loss of
knowledge and wisdom that would occur.
How many people that want to split the lists ever sat in a class or listened to
something and thought, this doesn't apply to me, I'll never need it? And then
realized they did?

Learning about your truck means learning about things that you may not always
realize you need. The people who may have the exact answer for you, may not
be on the list you are one for a whole host of reasons. Why limit your sources of
good information? I have found lots of parts suppliers, tricks, and what I
consider friends from people who don't have the same body style, engine type
like mine.

If you are getting what you think is too much mail, use a good email client to filter
messages to appropriate folders, or delete them entirely. Use the subject
headers to get rid of what you aren't interested in (for example, I delete anything
with 460 or 4x4 and that helps alot).

If these still don't help enough, switch to digest mode.

Besides, who wants to make more work for Ken? I sure don't.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:58:00 -0800
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

I can't help but comment here . This list generates a
tremendous amount of crap mail that is totally unessary and a waste of a
bunch of time and bandwidth . There are way to many people here that seem to
think that the list is a replacement for personal emails. How many times a
day do you open a message that's is totally useless to everybody but one
person. Comments that are directed at one person, unless relevant to the
people on the list should be sent to the one guy. I don't own an FE but am
interested in technical solutions to problems with them. I am not interested
in what color Billy Bob painted the valve covers on the FE nor do I care to
see 9 emails dealing with what other people think of the color. There are
too many "Yea Bob I think so to...." sort of responses that have no content
other than an agreement to some point that isn't contained in the message
and totally incoherent unless you are "Bob"

The list does not need to split, it does hewever need its users to
stop being so liberal with the reply button.

No Bobs were injured in the writing of this email. Any references to
persons living or dead especially if you are that person is purely
intentional

Chris Brandt

78 F250 Lariat

As a note to the dual alternator thread. The obvious solution here
is to go look at a new Super Duty which has this as an option and see what
Ford did......

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:03:30 -0500 (EST)
From: jdklaers

mailhost.magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - List split

Yes. Too much mail is the most common complaint. And yes splitting the list
would be a shame. Again I have to bring my suggestion up even though I got
hammered for it the first time.

A quick way to reduce volume without splitting the list up would be to set
the mailing list software so that a reply to a post would only go to the
sender and not to the whole list unless the sender made the effort to do
so. That way people who are not involved in the discussion do not have to
wade through messages and replies.

Although I don't and never have run a mailing list, I know it can be done
because the two other lists I belong to are set up this way.

Yes, as it is now one can easily reply to just the sender if one wants but
obviously most don't. What I'm saying is make replying to the sender the
default and make the replyer have to do the extra work to send it to the
whole list.

That alone will go a long way to solving the problem.

John

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:32:10 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

Chris-

The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and paste answer
to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group of
individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds us into a
friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers important to
us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that matter
many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what color
people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have been
done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration. Something
one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person on
what to do with their own vechicle.
When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a single
answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a "I
agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person who
originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing that
there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should proceed to
solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important in my
opinion.
I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my Redneck friends and
just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me content, brings
me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others see what I
have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our problems and
solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones. If you
are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.

Tony
tony

pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com

I can't help but comment here . This list generates a
tremendous amount of crap mail that is totally unessary and a waste of a
bunch of time and bandwidth . There are way to many people here that seem to
think that the list is a replacement for personal emails. How many times a
day do you open a message that's is totally useless to everybody but one
person. Comments that are directed at one person, unless relevant to the
people on the list should be sent to the one guy. I don't own an FE but am
interested in technical solutions to problems with them. I am not interested
in what color Billy Bob painted the valve covers on the FE nor do I care to
see 9 emails dealing with what other people think of the color. There are
too many "Yea Bob I think so to...." sort of responses that have no content
other than an agreement to some point that isn't contained in the message
and totally incoherent unless you are "Bob"
The list does not need to split, it does hewever need its users to
stop being so liberal with the reply button.
No Bobs were injured in the writing of this email. Any references to
persons living or dead especially if you are that person is purely
intentional

Chris Brandt
78 F250 Lariat
As a note to the dual alternator thread. The obvious solution here
is to go look at a new Super Duty which has this as an option and see what
Ford did......

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:04:47 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: over-carburetored / edelbrock 625

The 625 should be ideal for that engine. It's not to big at all. A
friend of mine has a Holley putting out close to 800CFM on a mild
Mopar 340 and has no trouble supprisingly. I my self have a Carter
625 w/performer intake on a stock 302 and haven't had much trouble.
No gain in power from the 2bbl but my milage accualy jumped from 15
highway to 20mpg.

JT Kelly
Kelly Motorsports
Lakewood CO
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:38:01 -0800
From: Las Vegas Internet user
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

I have to say that i agree with tony, I get a lot of mail that at this time
may not be totally useful to me personally, but i save all mails because
someday myself or someone else may need that valuable info
as for bobs valve covers, good for bob, at least he is able to do and is
doing
at this point i am just trying to keep my truck on the road , but sooner or
later i will be putting the finishing touches on it,
and like many, my wife is not just real darn iterested in my ford truck
so i will probably tell all of you what is going on adn hopefully be abel to
help someone someday

have a good day , and god be with you all
steve moore
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Marino
To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

>Chris-
>
> The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and paste answer
>to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group of
>individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds us into a
>friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
>vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers important to
>us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that matter
>many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what color
>people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have been
>done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration. Something
>one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person on
>what to do with their own vechicle.
> When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a single
>answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a "I
>agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person who
>originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing that
>there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should proceed to
>solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important in my
>opinion.
> I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my Redneck friends and
>just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me content, brings
>me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others see what I
>have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our problems and
>solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones. If you
>are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.
>
>Tony
>tony

pscico.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com
>
>I can't help but comment here . This list generates a
>tremendous amount of crap mail that is totally unessary and a waste of a
>bunch of time and bandwidth . There are way to many people here that seem
to
>think that the list is a replacement for personal emails. How many times a
>day do you open a message that's is totally useless to everybody but one
>person. Comments that are directed at one person, unless relevant to the
>people on the list should be sent to the one guy. I don't own an FE but am
>interested in technical solutions to problems with them. I am not
interested
>in what color Billy Bob painted the valve covers on the FE nor do I care to
>see 9 emails dealing with what other people think of the color. There are
>too many "Yea Bob I think so to...." sort of responses that have no content
>other than an agreement to some point that isn't contained in the message
>and totally incoherent unless you are "Bob"
>The list does not need to split, it does hewever need its users to
>stop being so liberal with the reply button.
>No Bobs were injured in the writing of this email. Any references to
>persons living or dead especially if you are that person is purely
>intentional
>
>Chris Brandt
>78 F250 Lariat
>As a note to the dual alternator thread. The obvious solution here
>is to go look at a new Super Duty which has this as an option and see what
>Ford did......
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:21:28 -0800
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

> When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a
> single
> answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a
> "I
> agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person
> who
> originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing
> that
> there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should
> proceed to
> solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important
> in my
> opinion.
>
This is why I Subscribe to this list, the more people that agree
on a certain issue the more confident I am that the info is correct.

> I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my Redneck
> friends and
> just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me content,
> brings
> me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others see
> what I
> have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our
> problems and
> solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones. If
> you
> are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.
>
>
> Chris Brandt
> 78 F250 Lariat
> As a note to the dual alternator thread. The obvious solution here
> is to go look at a new Super Duty which has this as an option and see
> what
> Ford did......
>
this would be a great example of what this list can provide
Eric "BillyBOb" Sneed
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:43:38 -0600
From: "Rick Russell"
Subject: RE:another option: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

how 'bout another list for people to complain about the amount of mail there
is on this list, that would cut the traffic substantially.

Rick Russell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list

ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Marino
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:32 PM
> To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
>
>
> Chris-
>
> The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and
> paste answer
> to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group of
> individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds
> us into a
> friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
> vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers important to
> us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that matter
> many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what color
> people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have been
> done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration. Something
> one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person on
> what to do with their own vechicle.
> When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a single
> answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a "I
> agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person who
> originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing that
> there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should proceed to
> solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important in my
> opinion.
> I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my
> Redneck friends and
> just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me
> content, brings
> me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others
> see what I
> have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our
> problems and
> solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones. If you
> are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.
>
> Tony
> tony

pscico.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com
>
> I can't help but comment here . This list generates a
> tremendous amount of crap mail that is totally unessary and a waste of a
> bunch of time and bandwidth . There are way to many people here
> that seem to
> think that the list is a replacement for personal emails. How
> many times a
> day do you open a message that's is totally useless to everybody but one
> person. Comments that are directed at one person, unless relevant to the
> people on the list should be sent to the one guy. I don't own an
> FE but am
> interested in technical solutions to problems with them. I am not
> interested
> in what color Billy Bob painted the valve covers on the FE nor do
> I care to
> see 9 emails dealing with what other people think of the color. There are
> too many "Yea Bob I think so to...." sort of responses that have
> no content
> other than an agreement to some point that isn't contained in the message
> and totally incoherent unless you are "Bob"
> The list does not need to split, it does hewever need its users to
> stop being so liberal with the reply button.
> No Bobs were injured in the writing of this email. Any references to
> persons living or dead especially if you are that person is purely
> intentional
>
> Chris Brandt
> 78 F250 Lariat
> As a note to the dual alternator thread. The obvious solution here
> is to go look at a new Super Duty which has this as an option and
> see what
> Ford did......
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:44:59 -0600
From: "James Petty"
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

That was beautiful !

James Petty

>>> Tony Marino 02/11 2:32 PM >>>
Chris-

The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and
paste answer
to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group
of
individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds us
into a
friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers
important to
us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that
matter
many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what
color
people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have
been
done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration.
Something
one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person
on
what to do with their own vechicle.
When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a
single
answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a
"I
agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person
who
originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing
that
there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should
proceed to
solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important
in my
opinion.
I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my Redneck
friends and
just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me content,
brings
me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others see
what I
have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our
problems and
solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones.
If you
are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.

Tony
tony

pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:57:16 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts ofmail

He he he!! 8-)

I don't know what bug got up my butt, but it decided to buzz around there
for a little while!!!

Happy Trucking!

Tony

At 03:44 PM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
> That was beautiful !
>
>James Petty
>
>>>> Tony Marino 02/11 2:32 PM >>>
>Chris-
>
>The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and
>paste answer
>to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group
>of
>individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds us
>into a
>friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
>vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers
>important to
>us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that
>matter
>many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what
>color
>people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have
>been
>done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration.
>Something
>one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person
>on
>what to do with their own vechicle.
>When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a
>single
>answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a
>"I
>agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person
>who
>originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing
>that
>there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should
>proceed to
>solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important
>in my
>opinion.
>I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my Redneck
>friends and
>just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me content,
>brings
>me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others see
>what I
>have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our
>problems and
>solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones.
>If you
>are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.
>
>Tony
>tony

pscico.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:56:07 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: RE:another option: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail

Hate to take up space laughing but I liked it, Russ.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rick Russell
To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:29 PM
Subject: RE:another option: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large
amounts of mail

>how 'bout another list for people to complain about the amount of mail
there
>is on this list, that would cut the traffic substantially.
>
>Rick Russell
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.talkcity.com/GasolineAlley/l3013/
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=222
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
>> [mailto:owner-61-79-list

ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Marino
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:32 PM
>> To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - List split - dealing with large amounts of mail
>>
>>
>> Chris-
>>
>> The Ford Truck Newsgroup, to me, is more than a dry cut and
>> paste answer
>> to your problems type of newsgroup. It is a collaboration of a group of
>> individuals who share a common interest in Ford Trucks that binds
>> us into a
>> friendship for the most part. The passion most of us carry for our
>> vehicles makes the color that "Bob" painted his valve covers important to
>> us also- After all, the reason many attend car shows, and for that matter
>> many will be attending Pigeon Forge this year, is to see just what color
>> people have painted their valve covers, "trick" things that may have been
>> done, and to share an admiration for a well done restoration. Something
>> one person may not have thought of sparks and idea in another person on
>> what to do with their own vechicle.
>> When a subscriber to the list posts a problem and gets only a single
>> answer to it, it is hard to trust that answer without a "me too" or a "I
>> agree" follow-up posts. These small follow up posts make the person who
>> originally put up the problem he/she is having feel better in knowing
that
>> there is a substancial majority in agreement on how they should proceed
to
>> solve their problem. These small posts are necessary, and important in
my
>> opinion.
>> I like to kick back on weekends and sit around with my
>> Redneck friends and
>> just BS about trucks, parts, and possiblities. It makes me
>> content, brings
>> me happiness and gives me a feeling of gratification when others
>> see what I
>> have done and appreciate it. We are not only just sharing our
>> problems and
>> solutions here, but sharing our friendships and building new ones. If
you
>> are only interested in "technical solutions" go buy a book.
>>
>> Tony
>> tony

pscico.com
>> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com....

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