61-79-list-digest Thursday, February 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 046



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C to an F-250?
RE: FTE 61-79 - L&L Headers Suck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Some don't like it hot
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turn signal switch
FTE 61-79 - overheating??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C to an F-250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C
FTE 61-79 - Mark's Web page - Q-tips
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
FTE 61-79 - Engine Mount
Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C
FTE 61-79 - Accident
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
FTE 61-79 - Wandering Guages
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
Re: FTE 61-79 - Accident
FTE 61-79 - some like it hot
FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - List-Split
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
FTE 61-79 - AC + Air Compressor
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mark's Web page - Q-tips
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...
Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - Reverse light harness
Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator
FTE 61-79 - HP ratings?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Reverse light harness
FTE 61-79 - 66 Power Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg
Re: FTE 61-79 - HP ratings?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Some don't like it hot
FTE 61-79 - 61-67 list
FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb
FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals
FTE 61-79 - Re: was,cars...er,trucks!,LIST SPLIT
FTE 61-79 - 97 - 98 Bronco axle
RE: FTE 61-79 - overheating??
FTE 61-79 - 4x2 to 4x4
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals
FTE 61-79 - grease fittings on the front of a 79
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x2 to 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals
FTE 61-79 - Re: PS Brackets

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:48:29 -0600
From: "CharlesT"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C to an F-250?

Mike,
Although I have never cut out A/C vent holes, I've recently taken a dash out
of a donor. Taking the dash out was not very hard(maybe 20 minutes for
first timers). In fact, you will most likely end up taking the dash out of
the donor vehicle in order to get 'all' the vent tubes. Thus, you will
already have a dash.

hope this helps,
Charles
79 F150 4X4(460)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael R. Masse
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C to an F-250?


>Jeff,
> I'm planning on doing this myself in the very near future, and I was
>curious how you handled the vents? Did you cut out holes in your
>existing dash, or replace the whole dash with the one from your donor?
>
> Mike
> '78 Bronco Custom
>
>Clemstang1 aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I just finished putting A/C on my 73 F-150 last year. I've pro-streeted
the
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:15:44 -0600
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - L&L Headers Suck

I bought a set of their headers 5 or 6 years ago and the front drive shaft
hits the flange at the end of the driver's side collector. I don't off road
the truck so have been able to live with it. It could be fixed if I cut the
collector and rotated and rewelded it but's it's to much trouble. As to all
the other items I've used from them in my two conversions, they worked
flawlessly. In fact on my first conversion, the transfer case touched the
body of the cab and caused a hellatious vibration. When I talked to Alan
(the owner) he sent me a new lower rear transmission mount and it solved my
problem.

Just how bad is your problem?

Thanks
John MacNamara

805 577 2536 wk
805 577 2768 fx
ESN 495-2536
jmacnam nortelnetworks.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Ken Payne [SMTP:kpayne ford-trucks.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, February 09, 1999 4:01 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - L&L Headers Suck
>
> At 06:40 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear Friends,
> > I have a problem with L& L Products. I don't want to see anyone else
> lose
> >$450. Email me if you want details.
> > Thanks,
> > Boon
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:16:20 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some don't like it hot

Yeah, he did. Says compression is strong in all cylinders.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Some don't like it hot


>Thanks for your message at 03:50 PM 2/9/99 -0600, John R. Austin. Your
>message was:
>>Hey, thanks for the input. It's a manual choke so that isn't the problem.
>>I've had a mechanic looking at it. He says the carb body stays dry which
>>should rule out flooding. He checked the fuel pump which seemed another
>>possibility but he says that's strong. He did say that #1 cylinder was not
>>firing as smooth as the rest which is another mystery.
>>Anyway, thanks for the help.
>>
>Did your mechanic check the compression? I've had engines that behaved
>like yours when the valves were getting burnt. Enough compression when
>cold, but warmed up they acted just like yours...
>
>
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA
>
>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
> I shortened this to only FT's
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:16:11 -0600
From: "John MacNamara"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Turn signal switch

I thought of this but couldn't find any string so toughed it out.



Thanks
John MacNamara

805 577 2536 wk
805 577 2768 fx
ESN 495-2536
jmacnam nortelnetworks.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:sparky mail.island.net [SMTP:sparky mail.island.net]
> Sent:Tuesday, February 09, 1999 4:32 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - RE: Turn signal switch
>
> Just a quick hint for anyone who is removing/installing wires. Before you
> remove the old ones tie a piece of string to one end, tape it securely
> with
> a small piece of electrical tape, and pull the wires through from the
> other
> end. This way you can tie your new wires to the string add a piece of
> electrical tape, to give them a tapered end, and haul them back through
> using the string. Saves hours of trying to feed stubborn wires through
> tight areas. It also helps to tie the loose end of the string to something
> real tight, this way the string wont follow the wires through by accident,
> also ensure you use a string that is quite a bit longer than you need.
>
> Sparky
> '73 F250 4x4
> 390FE
>
>
> >ITom: I just replace the turn signal switch in my 74 Bronco and it's
> kind
> >of a pain, took me most of the morning. Biggest hassle is feeding the
> wire
> >through the column.
> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:17:22 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - overheating??

Well I thought I would update everyone on what I did last night before we
get runaway ideas. My heat gauge was indicating that my motor was
overheating after highway then city driving ...

At any rate I followed the advice of several people on the list (thanks by
the way), and got a mechanical heat gauge. Took me under an hour to
install in the truck and then headed into town. Kinda scared me at first
because as the truck was warming up the gauge wasn't moving, then all the
sudden it jumped up to 165 ... not overheating (barely warm), but it was a
jump and that's what the other gauge had been doing. Maybe it was stuck
from being shipped, but at any rate it ran a steady 170 all night. It
moved up to 178 or so when I had to sit at a light for an extended period,
but dropped right back to 170 as soon as I moved. I wasn't takin it easy
'cause I wanted to see if it would do what the electric gauge had shown.
The warmest it got was 200 or 210 after I shut it off for 5 minutes then
started it again, it dropped right back to 170.

So thanks to everyone, now I just gotta make sure my grounding and
everything is good if I go back to the elec. gauge, its kind a nice to know
the exact numbers though ...


Thanks again
wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:34:36 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C to an F-250?

CharlesT wrote:
>
> Mike,
> Although I have never cut out A/C vent holes, I've recently taken a dash out
> of a donor. Taking the dash out was not very hard(maybe 20 minutes for
> first timers). In fact, you will most likely end up taking the dash out of
> the donor vehicle in order to get 'all' the vent tubes. Thus, you will
> already have a dash.
>

I think the hardest part would be cutting that monster hole for the AC
evap and housing. You may even want to cut that part of firewall out of
your donor as a template

OX
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:25:22 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

j arnold wrote:
>
> I completely agree with Stu. I believe that by splitting the lists, you
> split alot of the knowledge base as well. I personally don't own a 61-66
> truck at the moment (hehehe) but i have learned SO MUCH from people that
> do, that i don't know what i would do without them. I am following Stu to
> the voting booths, and VOTE 4!!!!!!!!
>

I agree completely, 110%!!!!, but you might as well do it Ken, as it
is seems obvious you want it with a vote coming up so frequently. I
would think once a year would be sufficient for this list split stuff.
I've heard passionate reasons for not splitting, but only "normal
political type answers" for splitting it up.

OX

OX
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:35:54 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

>and what is the average price to pay for have heads redone
>i have two dead cylinders on my 390, and the compression check is okso its
>been told to me that i probably have two burnt exhaust valve,so i am looking
>at what my options are,

I had a pair just done, they needed lots of new stuff and ended up costing
me $400 or so, but that included adding the hardened valve seats, a must if
you plan on pushing your vehicle with unleaded gas in it ... I can get the
exact rundown of pricing that I found if you want/need it, but my guess is
you'll need at least as much work as mine if you are having problems like
that. The first set I pulled off my 360 had the valves actually recessing
themselves into the head, almost 1/8" farther than they should have been!

>also, i am told that uneven back pressure from the exhaust pipes (duals no
>headers) is a likely cause of the burnt valves,
>do i need an H pipe in the exhaust
>

I have been running true duals on my truck since I got it, that was 5 years
ago, less than a year after I got it I had the heads done ... no problems
with them yet ... and I haven't been real nice to the thing either ...
some people say that equalizing the pressure will really help you, others
just seem to say that you should, but they haven't really noticed a
difference...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:52:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C

Sean Kerns writes: >>I have a '79 F-250 4x4 with a transplanted '68 429 in it
and C6 auto/NP205.
>
Anyway, this truck has the standard heater, no dash vents,
and no A/C.
I have always wanted to add A/C to this thing, but didn't
know where to start. Has anyone added A/C to this vintage
truck? If so, were there specific donor vehicles whose parts
worked best?
I have looked at some of the aftermarket places, and found
an underdash kit for ~$900US, but I'd much rather transplant
something in from, say, an LTD, and have it look stock.

I did this to the '79 F350 4X4 NP435 with 460 that my son drives. It was a
PAIN, but we got it in and it looks perfectly stock. We used everything from
the '73-'79 series trucks - everything. Toughest part was cutting the cowl out
to accept the A/C box out under the hood. That is a very large hole. We did it
while we had the engine out and the dash out. I really don't think it can be
done with the engine in, but where there is a will there is a way, I suppose.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:08:06 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mark's Web page - Q-tips

>>How else can I get into all those nooks
and crannies?

Sand blaster, wire wheel in drill, tooth brush, paint brush dipped in
solvent, rag dipped in solvent, bathtub full of solvent, any combination of
the above.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:12:26 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, William S Hart wrote:

>
> I had a pair just done, they needed lots of new stuff and ended up costing
> me $400 or so, but that included adding the hardened valve seats, a must if
> you plan on pushing your vehicle with unleaded gas in it ... I can get the
> exact rundown of pricing that I found if you want/need it

I am interested in getting my heads reworked- I'd like to hear the
rundown of what you had done/what price you paid.

thanks


Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:22:29 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

At 08:25 AM 2/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>j arnold wrote:
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>
> I agree completely, 110%!!!!, but you might as well do it Ken, as it
>is seems obvious you want it with a vote coming up so frequently. I
>would think once a year would be sufficient for this list split stuff.
>I've heard passionate reasons for not splitting, but only "normal
>political type answers" for splitting it up.
>

Actually, whenever I get the same suggestion or complaint from at least
4 people in one week, I either implement it or put up a vote. From
an administrative viewpoint, I really don't want a split. It means
updating the web site, dealing with dozens of people who can't figure
out how to switch to the proper list and sending updates to several
list subscription site.

- -Ken
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:28:51 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Mount

I need to replace the front engine mount on my '65 F250 4X4, and noboby
seems to be able to find it in their books, even at my local Ford
dealer.

Does anyone have a Ford Shop manual that shows a diagram of how the
engine mounts go together and what the mount looks like, sometimes they
even show part numbers. I suspect that the mount I have on it is wrong
and won't be reliable for comparison.

This one is getting pretty bad, so any help would be appreciated.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:23:47 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Adding A/C

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> That is a very large hole. We did it
> while we had the engine out and the dash out. I really don't think it can be
> done with the engine in, but where there is a will there is a way, I suppose.
>

I cut out the firewall section from an AC truck from the inside
(with dash completley removed). I think it could be done this way
without removing engine. Might want to schedule replacing body mounts
along with this job, that way you can raise body up with the mounts out
and have no interference with engine. I have a 2" body lift now, so it
would be easy.

OX
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:42:41 +0100
From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Accident

Can any one with a 351W engine tell me if there's supposed to be some sort of a
baffle (windage tray) inside the oilpan. I don't have one, discovered that after
removing
it since floor jack fell and dented it. Luckily I made it out before it
happened, it was a close
one, puh!

Also there's a 1,5" distance between oil pick up and bottom of pan now. Must be
way off,
not sure but I've heard it ought to be around 1/4", can you verify this?
Is there anything else I ought to check after this mishap.

I was working underneath my '72 Mustang when this happened, I know, this is not
the right forum
but a few truck models had this engine, right?

I'm a wannabe Ford truck owner, that is why I'm here, I also want to take this
opportunity to thank you all,
have learned plenty of useful stuff from the months I've been lurking. This is a
great bunch and I hate to see
the list split up.

Thanks, Tommy


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:47:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

At 09:12 AM 2/10/99 , you wrote:
>I am interested in getting my heads reworked- I'd like to hear the
>rundown of what you had done/what price you paid.
>thanks
>Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.

Well I did some digging, and someone else had asked me for the info, so I
thought I'd post it to the list. There were some spring shims put in, but
when I got my cam he decided that the shims wouldn't allow the springs to
work correctly, so new springs have been added to this (and the shims
credited), but I don't have the motor back yet, so I can't tell you what
those prices are gonna be ...

1 Labor 357.41

16 valve guides1.95/per - 31.20
8 valve seats 5.53/per - 44.24
10 inserts 0.73/per - 7.30
6 inserts 0.73 per - 4.38
probably the spring shims
1 helicoil 2.95
threads were bad I guess
1 24" deluxe snow scraper 4.85

Total 466.63+tax

If I got hosed, well its too late, but hopefully this will give someone a
ball park of what a really worn engine might cost on the head side ...

wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:54:49 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wandering Guages

Are your other guages wandering? If so you may need to check out the
constant voltage unit that's usually acctached to the backside of the
guage cluster(at least it is on '60's stuff) all of the guages will have
a wire fron it (there may be more than one also) so you cant miss it.

Just a thought.

> My '78 has the same problem with the gauge having a mind of its own,
> actual engine temperature is rock steady(thermometer test on radiator),
> even as gauge wanders up and down.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:06:32 -0500 (EST)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, William S Hart wrote:

ings have been added to this (and the shims
> credited), but I don't have the motor back yet, so I can't tell you what
> those prices are gonna be ...
>
> 1 Labor 357.41


did you pull the heads yourself??




>
> 16 valve guides1.95/per - 31.20
> 8 valve seats 5.53/per - 44.24
> 10 inserts 0.73/per - 7.30
> 6 inserts 0.73 per - 4.38
> probably the spring shims
> 1 helicoil 2.95
> threads were bad I guess
> 1 24" deluxe snow scraper 4.85
>
> Total 466.63+tax
>
> If I got hosed, well its too late, but hopefully this will give someone a
> ball park of what a really worn engine might cost on the head side ...
>
> wish
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Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:14:46 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

>> 1 Labor 357.41
>
>
>did you pull the heads yourself??
>
Yeah, the labor for all the stuff was listed at the top, the rest of the
prices are parts only prices.. the shop I used doesn't actually do the work
on the car, just the parts that you take in as far as I know...

wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:25:38 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

>and what is the average price to pay for have heads redone
>i have two dead cylinders on my 390, and the compression check is okso its
>been told to me that i probably have two burnt exhaust valve,

Come again?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:26:56 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Accident

It shouldn't, my friends 72 351W in a 66 Fairlane he wrecked doesn't
neither has my 69 302 or my old 289. JT
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:29:27 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - some like it hot

We had a good discussion on the 300 6 carb problems not too long ago. Check
the archives for anything we are missing in the discussion this time
around. I can't think of any suggestions that were missed, but I don't have
a 6 and was only listening with one ear. I take that back. It seems like
there was a suggestion to insulate the fuel line that feeds the carb.
Something about it running too close to the exhaust manifold? Help, I've
fallen and I can't get up!


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:42:59 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

I am thinking of adding a second alternator. Call me crazy but I just
wanted to see if it could be done electrically. Two alternators
charging the same system. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks


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duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:41:53 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - List-Split

I too like the way the "'61-'79-list" brings everything together. The
trucks in question have so much in common, and add to that, many older
trucks have had later truck technology transplanted, that it would be a
shame to seperate them. I myself really like the large body of input
found with this many participants, and the fun inherent with the mixture
of personalities when we horse around a little.

I've read discussion groups of many types and subjects, (Psycology,
Philosophy, Literature, etc.) and I have to say that not only do I find
the subject matter more interesting, (duh) but also the people I've met
here are just as literate, mentally disciplined, and as interesting to
read as anyone in these other groups. It's like we're all the same kind
of intelligent people as you will find in those "intellectual" groups,
only we're talking about what really interests us. Ford trucks. Another
thing is that along with our combined brain power, we all develop "horse
sense" from working on and owning these trucks. This is a great thing
for the younger readers to be exposed to, and I encourage my son to read
the digests at every opportunity.

I'm concerned that if the discussion is divided, the quality of
discussion will suffer. You have fewer minds giving perspective to a
problem, it would seem that it would have to suffer.

I've voted no.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:54:59 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

At 11:40 PM 2/9/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I completely agree with Stu. I believe that by splitting the lists, you
>split alot of the knowledge base as well.
>
>-Bud

I agree about the knowledge. I myself have own a 51 & 63 f100 in the past.
With a split I would not see a post which I might contribute some info.

>
>At 10:14 PM 2/9/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>Ken "The Big Dawg" wrote:
>>>Due to traffic increases on the 61-79 list, the following
>>>vote has been added to the web site:
>>>
>>>1. Split the 61-79 list into 61-66 and 67-79
>>>2. Split the 61-79 list into 61-64 and 65-79
>>>3. Reorganize the lists into 48-56, 57-64 and 65-79.
>>>4. No, don't change 'em!
>>>5. Don't care
>>>
>>>Item 3 will cause me to have an enormous work load during
>>>the transition. Keep that in mind if you're planning to
>>>vote for item 3.
>>>
>>>If anyone is thinking of cheating again, keep in mind that
>>>I am now having our server track who votes and will boot
>>>you off the lists permanently if I catch you.
>>>
>>>Later,
>>>Ken Payne
>>>Admin
>>
>>Ken and fellow FTE'ers,
>>
>>I know the "list split idea" has come up a bazillion times. I remember the
>>first vote!!
>>This is an open ended post looking for a reply....actually asking for a
>>vote, BUT........
>>I feel I must do as much lobbying as I can on this issue to help sway as
>many
>>61-79 people as I can. I am not much on politicking but I feel I must voice
>>my opinion publically.
>>
>>I have been on the list since March of 97, and since then a "split" - "not
>>to split"
>>vote has crept up several times. I fully understand the intent and need of
>>some FTE members to narrow the
>>scope. Fortunately, through the years, the personality of the "original
>>FTE group" I first became involved with
>>has not changed much at all! I firmly believe we need to remain *As Is*
>>(61-79) in order
>>to help maintain the wealth of information and the comradare I get from
>>the list.
>>
>>I dunno, maybe I am just too unwilling to change. I have been on numerous
>>mailing lists
>>and *none* ( absolutley none ) equals the quality and the happy times we
>>share here on the 61-79 list!
>>Fordanatics has 2, 3, sometimes more digests per day so traffic can be
>>enormous with mailing lists. I understand this!!
>>But, please, for the sake of the personality of the list - let it remain as
>>is!
>>
>>I sure would hate to ruin such a great thing. Any other old timers out
>>there feel as I???
>>I have said all I will say, it is off to the ballot box I trudge!!!
>>
>>VOTE FOR NUMBER 4!!!
>>
>>Stu
>>Nuke GM! (and the list split idea ;^)
>>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
>>
>>
>>BTW- Ken, Since I am on digest at work email and live on home email, do I
>>get two votes?????
>>kidding!!!!hehehehehehehehe
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 99 12:08:28 EST
From: "Bishop"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg


I would vote to keep my 66 in the 61-66 listing,
mostly for body style.

Mike
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:27:40 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC + Air Compressor

Just thinking. Ouch!

I would like to put underdash air in my 74 f350 390 truck.
I also like the idea of having a compressor on it like the setup of the
one discribed in the tech. area.

A friend of my drives a f600 (guessing) battery truck. It has a AC compressor
and a compressor for the air brakes.

Has anyone tried using this comfiguration on a smaller truck. ie mounting
brackets for air brakes compressor and location.

I have compressor for AC.

TIA
Larry



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:30:36 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

Stu Ranting omitted....
>But, please, for the sake of the personality of the list - let it remain as
>is!
>
>I sure would hate to ruin such a great thing. Any other old timers out
>there feel as I???
>I have said all I will say, it is off to the ballot box I trudge!!!
>
>VOTE FOR NUMBER 4!!!
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM! (and the list split idea ;^)
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu


AMEN BROTHER!!! Speak the word!! Praise the Almighty Ford!!! 8-) hehehe...

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:50:03 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

In a message dated 2/10/99 9:44:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, wish iastate.edu
writes:

> with them yet ... and I haven't been real nice to the thing either ...
> some people say that equalizing the pressure will really help you, others
> just seem to say that you should, but they haven't really noticed a
> difference...
>
Regarding Equalizing the pressure on the dual exhaust systems: Doesn't the
design of the stock FE intake have this effect given the heat passage which
runs through the intake manifold to warm the intake?

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:24:40 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mark's Web page - Q-tips

In a message dated 2/10/99 10:12:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlagrone ford-
trucks.com writes:

>
> Sand blaster, wire wheel in drill, tooth brush, paint brush dipped in
> solvent, rag dipped in solvent, bathtub full of solvent, any combination of
> the above.

Careful--there are specific statutes which vary from state to state designed
to protect annoyed spouses when household facilities are to used for parts
washing....a "bathtub full of solvent" (aside from the obvious hazards) has
been known to cause divorce in some cases.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:43:29 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

You're talking apples & oranges. The heat passage which runs through the
intake is designed to do jut what you said, heat the plenum to help prevent
icing. The tube between the exhaust pipes in a true dual system IF placed
CORRECTLY actually aids in the scavenging effect by balancing the exhaust
pulses inherent in any IC engine.

- -----Original Message-----
From: TBeeee aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...


>Regarding Equalizing the pressure on the dual exhaust systems: Doesn't the
>design of the stock FE intake have this effect given the heat passage which
>runs through the intake manifold to warm the intake?
>



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:19:10 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

>icing. The tube between the exhaust pipes in a true dual system IF placed
>CORRECTLY actually aids in the scavenging effect by balancing the exhaust
>pulses inherent in any IC engine.
>
How would you determine the best place to put this ?


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:58:31 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...

The best way I've been told is to hook up the exhaust system in its final
configuration and paint a thin line on the collectors extending back onto
the pipes. Run the engine up to operating temperature and check to see where
the paint burns off of the pipes. That is where to place the balance tube.
BTW that info came from the performance list I believe it was Chris Samuels
that posted it. You may want to double check with him. I don't know if he's
still on this list.

- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390 questions...


>>icing. The tube between the exhaust pipes in a true dual system IF placed
>>CORRECTLY actually aids in the scavenging effect by balancing the exhaust
>>pulses inherent in any IC engine.
>>
>How would you determine the best place to put this ?
>
>
>Thanks,
>wish
>73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
>96 Mustang GT
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:56:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

Haven't heard this one yet, Crazy Don Asks:
>
> I am thinking of adding a second alternator. Call me crazy but I just
> wanted to see if it could be done electrically. Two alternators
> charging the same system. Anyone have any ideas?
>
Lets see.

1) Two alternators, two regulators. Two control loops with
similar bandwidths attempting to control the same voltage, I think
this will oscillate and hurt something. Think of this as two guys,
in separate rooms with separate valves, trying to control the flow
out of hose. They never see each other, but have to run out to
check the flow and then run back in to adjust it :-)

2) Two alternators, one regulator (connect fields in parallel). This
one has a chance of working, but most likely will be imbalanced and
one alternator will do most of the work. Probably won't hurt anything.
The rectifier bridges in the alternators should provide isolation,
and to a small degree even out the current distribution. Connect the
alternator outputs directly together. You could probably balance the
outputs by adding small resistors in series with each field, and
adjusting this resistance while monitoring current from each alt.

Good Luck
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Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:17:27 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

Thanks for your message at 11:56 AM 2/10/99 -0800, Pat Brown. Your message
was:
>>
>> I am thinking of adding a second alternator. Call me crazy but I just
>> wanted to see if it could be done electrically. Two alternators
>> charging the same system. Anyone have any ideas?

I have an idea--that this would never appear on the Performance List.

But, seriously, why...?


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:22:49 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

Dennis Pearson wrote:

> First Don wrote:
> >> I am thinking of adding a second alternator. Call me crazy but I just
> >> wanted to see if it could be done electrically. Two alternators
> >> charging the same system. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> I have an idea--that this would never appear on the Performance List.
>
> But, seriously, why...?
>
> Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

Like I said call me crazy ;) It was just a thought that I had. I have a
bunch of 65amp alternators around here and a couple of regulators. It's the
old use what you got thing. 1 good 160 amp alternator would be nice but....
It's just a kind of kicks and giggles thing, no real reason why,

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duckdon pacific.net


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:11:05 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Reverse light harness

My 73 F100 4spd has no reverse lights. Come to find out it has no wires
or connector to plug into the reverse light switch either. I've checked
local dealerships with no luck, don't have it and can't get it, but they
did agree that a connector off any 4spd would work. Does anyone have
one or know where I can get one. The switch is the red female 2-pin
end. Thank you.

Marty Colman

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:36:29 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator

How 'bout 1 alternator + 1 old 3.5 hp lawnmower motor = 1 portable
generator? Y2K's comin' y'know ;-)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Grossman
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - adding second alternator


>
>
>Dennis Pearson wrote:
>

>
>Like I said call me crazy ;) It was just a thought that I had. I have a
>bunch of 65amp alternators around here and a couple of regulators. It's
the
>old use what you got thing. 1 good 160 amp alternator would be nice
but....
>It's just a kind of kicks and giggles thing, no real reason why,
>



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:55:31 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott William Richmond
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HP ratings?

Hi everyone,

Can you provide me with a web page that has this info or just tell me,
what are the approximate stock horsepower ratings for a 300 and a 302-2V
from the late '70s?

Thanks,

Scott


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 15:51:33 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Reverse light harness

Marty

If your reverse light switch is on top of the trans like mine you
might find it in the wrecking yard. Are the wires still in the harness
to the back, and someone cut them off?









At 01:11 PM 2/10/99 PST, you wrote:
>My 73 F100 4spd has no reverse lights. Come to find out it has no wires
>or connector to plug into the reverse light switch either. I've checked
>local dealerships with no luck, don't have it and can't get it, but they
>did agree that a connector off any 4spd would work. Does anyone have
>one or know where I can get one. The switch is the red female 2-pin
>end. Thank you.
>
>Marty Colman
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:43:06 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Power Steering

I am putting power steering in my 66 at this time. I had the opportunity
to take a 70's style steering unit and place it in a 66 next to it at my
local bone yard. 70 and up are obout 1.5" longer and won't fit without
alteration. One of our FTE members put a 70 something gear unit in his 66
and he had to "shorten" the steering column. Another approach would be to
change out the column. 66 thru 69 P/S systems will fit according to the
Ford parts books and an Auto Zone clerk. I have the original Ford part
numbers if anyone is interested. They also supplied a P/S kit to change
over. It is listed as C7TZ-3A635-A which includes all you need to convert
over. It is not available now; but give a list of the components needed.
If anyone is interested in more info, get back to me.

Tim
66 352
3 speed & O/D
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:15:17 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split/reorg

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 08:25 AM 2/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >j arnold wrote:
> -snip-
> >
> > I agree completely, 110%!!!!, but you might as well do it Ken, as it
> >is seems obvious you want it with a vote coming up so frequently. I
> >would think once a year would be sufficient for this list split stuff.
> >I've heard passionate reasons for not splitting, but only "normal
> >political type answers" for splitting it up.
> >
>
> Actually, whenever I get the same suggestion or complaint from at least
> 4 people in one week, I either implement it or put up a vote.


Unless you split it up by VIN number, your always going to get
complaints. Tremendous amounts of mail are generated over deciding
wether there is too much mail (ironic). We all appreciate being able to
have so much input into your list (and yes it is your list). After 2 or
3 votes in which no split is decided, (which is also how the latest vote
is going, as of this morning), I would tell the concerned parties that a
vote will be up one year from X date, last vote. As usual, just my
NSHO.

OX
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:57:16 -0600
From: Jim Henjum
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HP ratings?

Scott William Richmond wrote:

> Can you provide me with a web page that has this info or just tell me,
> what are the approximate stock horsepower ratings for a 300 and a 302-2V
> from the late '70s?
>

According to our Chilton's manual, our '79 300 has 120 h.p. and about 225
lb/ft of torque. I'd say a same year 302 has about 140 h.p. and probably a
little more torque than the 300. The 300 has a lot more low end than the
302 though.

Ross Henjum

'75 F250 4x4 460 NP435 "married" NP205

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 18:19:59 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Some don't like it hot

John, my 1965 F100 with 240 6 cyl. engine was doing similar things several
months ago. A mechanic said the fuel pump was "fine".."good flow". The truck
usually ran great but would occasionally lose power when fully warmed up
acting like it had vapor lock. I would end up stalled in traffic...it would
ultimately start and usually run great the rest of the trip. Sometimes it
would lose power but recover before stopping completely. This was after
changing spark plugs, spark plug wires, adjusting timing & carburetor kit.
One day it wouldn't start at all after resting in the garage for a couple
days. I took a stab at it and changed the fuel pump. Since changing the fuel
pump, the truck runs great, no more stalling or loss of power. My novice
guess is the fuel pump was beginning to die and therefore was inconsistent
in it's behavior. It was at least kind to me in that it ultimately died at
home in the garage. Good luck, hope this helps, Roberta

>New question: 1967 F100 with 300 engine, Single Bbl Carb. Starts
wonderfully, runs like a >champ. Drive it for two or 3 miles. Shut it off
for 10-15 minutes. Does not want to start. >Crank and crank and crank - it
sputters then chugs for a while then it will settle down and >run. It will
then completely stop two or three times as you drive away and will restart
>itself. I've had the carb rebuilt, new points, plugs, distributor, coil,
timing,
>dwell. What next? Thanks, John



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:39:39 -0800
From: Michael Siron
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-67 list

Yes. By all means. I get more mail than I can read. Maybe narrowing =
the range of the list would reduce the load and I could keep up with it.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:36:32 -0600
From: Michael Ray Jones
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 headers and carb

Can anyone recommend a good (and inexpensive) set of headers for a 77
F150 with a 460?

Also, I see messages from a few guys in Houston. I'm up in Lufkin. I
wonder if there would be any interest in getting together once every
month or two two compare progress on the trucks?
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:45:56 -0800
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals

I have a '70 F250 . I seem to have a problem keeping the diff. lube out of
my brake drums. I've gone thru two sets of shoes, both times I have replaced
the shoes I also changed the seal on the back of the drum but they don't
seem to be able to keep the oil out of the brakes. The seal surface (?) on
the axle housing is in good shape. Anybody got any tips on how to make
these things stay sealed up? Thanks, Steve



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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 19:47:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Koster
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: was,cars...er,trucks!,LIST SPLIT

- ---Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 02:54 PM 2/9/99 -0800, Daniel Koster wrote:
> >
> >
> >Guys...Ken...wait!



Ken,

Thanks for understanding. I appreciate you clearing my intentions.
In fact, I don't want any of the responsibility. =)


> Oh, I misunderstood. You're proposing a truck "registry." That
> is something that can definately be a positive.
> Perhaps I can setup a form on the web site that will email entries
to you?
> Would this make it easy to compile?

What I would like to see is a list somewhere, anywhere on the site,
that showed early 60s truck-owners that would be willing to be emailed.

I sure wouldn't mind helping out if you need it, but I would rather
it stayed on your website. (btw-I live in Savannah)


About a potential split...

I don't see any reason for one. Personally, (and frankly) I was a
subscriber to the 50s truck list for a while and I found it rather
boring, and too specific. Even though I have interests in those
year trucks, I'd rather spend my time on this list with y'all!

Thanks for letting me bend your ear.

Dan


p.s. Don't split the list
p.p.s. Don't split the list
p.p.s.s. Don't split the list
p.p.p.s.s Don't split the list
p.p.p.s.s.s. Don't split the list

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:31:15 -0600
From: Michael Ray Jones
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 97 - 98 Bronco axle

Craig J, whomever has the axle from a "Bronco" probably has one from an
Expedition, although I would think that they'd be new enough that
they're hard to find. An Expedition would have 13" rotors on the rear.
They're the same as the ones on a new F250LD. The axle will be
different depending on what engine the Exp had. The 4.6 has an 8.8, and
the 5.4 has a 9.75 rear axle.
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:51:38 -0600
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - overheating??

[snip]
> At any rate I followed the advice of several people on the list (thanks by
> the way), and got a mechanical heat gauge. Took me under an hour to
> install in the truck and then headed into town. Kinda scared me at first
> because as the truck was warming up the gauge wasn't moving, then all the
> sudden it jumped up to 165 ... not overheating (barely warm), but it was a
> jump and that's what the other gauge had been doing. Maybe it was stuck

I believe what you saw was the thermostat opening. Your gauge is probably
plugged in downstream from the thermostat.

> from being shipped, but at any rate it ran a steady 170 all night. It
> moved up to 178 or so when I had to sit at a light for an extended period,
> but dropped right back to 170 as soon as I moved. I wasn't takin it easy
> 'cause I wanted to see if it would do what the electric gauge had shown.
> The warmest it got was 200 or 210 after I shut it off for 5 minutes then
> started it again, it dropped right back to 170.
[snip]

Take care,

Jeff - Houston
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:57:17 EST
From: Doulos79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4x2 to 4x4

i own a 78 f-150 with a 300 and a 3 speed tranny. i would love to convert it
to 4 wheel drive and would like to get any advice or ideas. any and all
thoughts would help a whole lot.

Mark Talbert
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:15:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: A.R.E Tonneau covers and truck caps

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:33:08 -0800
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 3/4 ton brake drum seals

Steven Salas wrote:
>
> I have a '70 F250 . I seem to have a problem keeping the diff. lube out of
> my brake drums. I've gone thru two sets of shoes, both times I have replaced
> the shoes I also changed the seal on the back of the drum but they don't
> seem to be able to keep the oil out of the brakes. The seal surface (?) on
> the axle housing is in good shape. Anybody got any tips on how to make
> these things stay sealed up? Thanks, Steve

Steve,
Find, and open up, the vent on your rear axle. Could be a fitting
sticking
up, or sometimes the bolt holding the brakeline tee unto the axle is
hollow. Mud or hornets nests can plug them, causing seal problems.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:45:14 -0500
From: "Leslie O Mehaffey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - grease fittings on the front of a 79

I am going to try and locate all the grease fittings on the front of my 79,
I found 2 so far, I havent really looked that much, just noticed the 2, one
below each front wheel where the spindle (?) is. How many more should there
be and where are they at? Just thought I'd lube it before I put it on the....


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