61-79-list-digest Saturday, February 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 040



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??
FTE 61-79 - wrong url
FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series
FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot Tankin'
FTE 61-79 - 61 Unibody Suspension
FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck
FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck
FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie
FTE 61-79 - New project (Fantasy Stage)
FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Spring nominations
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie
FTE 61-79 - Springs
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:=A0 Historical Research for 1967 F-Series?=
FTE 61-79 - RE: break-in on bearings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 07:59:57 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??

> ----------
> From: cannandale netpointe.com[SMTP:cannandale netpointe.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 7:05 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??
>
> I have over the past few weeks fixing my 460, I just put in new crank
> and rod bearings, didnt ring it or anything, just that and a valve job.
> Do the bearings have to be broke in, or does that just apply to ringed
> engines?
>
> cannandale
> '78 F250 4x4, 460
>
IMHO Nothing special. Just drive it in a normal fashion and keep
the tach needle off of redline. No heavy loads. Change the oil at 500
miles and you should then be ready to rock.

Tracy

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 08:28:48 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wrong url

oops ! the link to my ford page w/vacuum diagrams was wrong
on my last post. the url below is correct. sorry for any
inconvenience.

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John L. McKay
Mesa, Arizona
'67 F-100 Custom Cab 360
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm
Email: djspaints earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 09:43:23 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series

>Here is where I need your help. Does anyone have any sales literature
>which has MSRP for 1967 F-Series.

I don not know about MSRP, but can say that my father bought a truck for my
brother in 1967. A SWB F-100 flairside, 2WD, vinyl floor, AM radio with no
pushbuttons, 6 cyl. (size unknown), and three on the tree. that's it. no
goodies. The price was $1900. $100 less than a VW bug at the time.

Jim E.



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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:10:49 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series

Did you look at your title? My title has the original sales price right on
it, I think like 7K. It may be different fo r you though, bein in a different
state but its a good place to check.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 09:01:06 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Hot Tankin'

Azie wrote, in part:
> Lots of vatting and air through all oil passages asap after removing the
> block from the vat. If there is any doubt, do it again - and again, until you
> are absolutely sure that all shavings/filings are no longer in the block.

And when you get it home from the hot tank vat, use a collection of
good quality PLASTIC (nylon or the like, NOT brass or any other metal)
bore brushes, and a lot of water from the garden hose to wash it all
out again. Go through every passage with the appropriately sized bore
brush. Start your collection of brushes now, BEFORE you're gonna'
need 'em, 'cause it seems you can't find them when the need arises.
It's surprising (and sad) what you may find the machine shop left in a
block that went to them with a lot of sludge in it. If anything comes
out of anywhere when you're blowing it out with compressed air, repeat
the entire process.

An old saying that applies directly to engine building is:

CLEANLINESS IS NEXT TO GODLINESS!!

This applies throughout the assembly process, too, not just the block
prep.
Lots of oil, no dust or lint. Can you say "Clean Room"? Can you say
An*l Retentive"? That means don't even assemble your new motor on a
windy day!

- -Marv-
(Azie meant to say all this,
but, you know, he's getting
old and forgetful)! ;-)
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 11:18:32 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61 Unibody Suspension

>>I went through my front end and it rides quite well.... granted, not as
smooth as a newer car, ('cuz it's a truck) but well. ;-)

Well said, Eric. Before the late 60's trucks were pretty much made for
utility, not looks and comfort. That's not to say that early trucks are all
ugly by any notion, style was just not the primary concern. Even with my 79
that sports relatively modern designs in suspension, seat, and insulation,
I am often awakened. When my truck is alll I drive, I get to thinking it
rides pretty smooth, is pretty quiet, etc. Then I drive the Towncar and
it's HELLO!! The truck is a truck!!

One of the big reasons for going to the twin I-beam versus a single I-beam
was to get a smoother ride. When two wheels on opposite sides of a vehicle
are on the same solid axle, a movement in one will generate movement in the
other. That's physics and you can't escape it, only minimize it through
good suspension design.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:27:57 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck

I figured I would get with the program and put together a web
page featuring my truck. It has a good picture of the truck
and some old pics of the FE390 when it was freshly assembled.

Check it out. www.pacifier.com/~draco

Mark in Southwest Washington
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:22:05 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck

> some old pics of the FE390 when it was freshly assembled.

>Check it out. www.pacifier.com/~draco


OH man Oh man Oh man, I have dreams of my FE looking that good. I better get away before the
drool shorts out my keyboarrrrdd.

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:31:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Made a web page featuring my truck

>I figured I would get with the program and put together a web
>page featuring my truck. It has a good picture of the truck
>and some old pics of the FE390 when it was freshly assembled.
>
>Check it out. www.pacifier.com/~draco
>

Hey it looks GREAT !!! Hope mine looks that good someday ... lemme know how
those headers fit, can you see them hanging underneath the truck ?

wish

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:41:52 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie

Stu wrote>> One of the things we are going to do with the page when done
is try a timelapsed
video of the reconstruction of the truck from the frame up. I plan on
filming a few
seconds of video with each new addition. Film should only last about 25
seconds.

Sounds like a great time to use Quicktime. After viewing such a movie you
will be known as the fastest Ford truck restorer east of the Mississippi.




- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:48:47 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New project (Fantasy Stage)

Dennis wrote>> My question is "Would this project fall under the category
of the FTE
content code?" I mean, is what I will be building still going to be a Ford
truck?

If it walks like a Ford and talks like a Ford, it probably is a Ford.
What's the difference in putting a truck on a Mercury and dropping a
Lincoln 460 in a truck? Seems to be the same just on a grander scale. I say
go for it, it sounds like fun.

I also say Ken and Peggy have the deciding vote.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:35:51 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

wish wrote: >>where'd you all come up with yours at ? Suggestions ?

When I replaced the front springs on my 79 F150, I first tried to order
from JC Whitney. They had a good price and the write up looked good. I got
my order back with a letter saying that they did not have springs for my
truck. They have done ths on other merchandise, too, like my tailgate
guard, but I digress. I wound up buying the springs over the counter in
stock from my local HiLo, same as O'Reilly. They were in a plain box so I
don't know what brand they were. The stock was not as big around as the
originals, but they didn't compress as easily. My original left spring was
broken in the first coil from the top. These springs have been on since
2/10/96. They are TRW brand part number CS8228 (that may be a HiLo number,
not TRW. OTOH, the CS stands for 'coil spring'). List price was $114.38, my
price was $57.19 plus tax. ASFAIK front springs are only sold in sets and
should both be replaced at the same time.

I just spoke with the HiLo store. My TRW springs are lifetime warranteed
and if I were to have a warranty claim, they would handle it for me, but
they now carry Moog springs instead of TRW. Their Moog springs also carry a
lifetime warranty. Sorry, I didn't ask for a price since I had no intention
of buying them.

My brother has a 69 half ton G#C that my dad bought new with the weakest
springs available so that it would ride good. It worked but the rear bumper
dragged the ground if you had 300 pounds of feed in it. My brother bought
springs for a 3/4 ton 76 crew cab and put them on. They worked great and he
has never had a problem. The moral of the story is that the same trick
would probably work for an F100 that you wanted to turn into an F150 etc.
etc. Just a thought.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:59:03 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> Stu wrote>> One of the things we are going to do with the page when done
> is try a timelapsed
> video of the reconstruction of the truck from the frame up. I plan on
> filming a few
> seconds of video with each new addition. Film should only last about 25
> seconds.
>
> Sounds like a great time to use Quicktime. After viewing such a movie you
> will be known as the fastest Ford truck restorer east of the Mississippi.
>

What is quicktime?

OX
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:59:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Spring nominations

Fellow FTEs:

Once again, Car Lounge is taking nominations for their
top ten automotive sites awards. FTE has, thanks to
its members, consistantly won a top 10 award.

Last quarter something shameful happened: FTE won second
place... Chevy's corporate site won first place.

If you like FTE's site and services, please take a
couple of moments to nominate us.

The nomination form can be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://carlounge.com/nominate.htm

Thanks,
Ken Payne
FTE Admin


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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:01:34 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie

> What is quicktime?
>
Ahhhh...to be so innocent and not know of macs ... :)

Its a program which allows you to string together stills and create what
looks like a movie ... check out www.carpoint.msn.com and they may have
some, Ford's site used to have some qt's of the superduty out there ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:41:15 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie

BTW Quicktime runs much FASTER on a PC! It's like the difference between a
Ford truck and...well... any other brand.

- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's movie


>> What is quicktime?
>>
>Ahhhh...to be so innocent and not know of macs ... :)
>


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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:07:38 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

I disassembled my springs,took all the rust off with a
wire wheel, smeared grease between each leaf, added a
leaf and new bushings and put them back together.It made
a major improvement in the ride and cost about $50.00.
I have only done the fronts and can't wait to do the rears.
The leafs just can't slide when rusted.I used C-clamps to
compress the springs and you'll need a torch to bend the
spring clamps for dis&re assembly.
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:46:50 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:=A0 Historical Research for 1967 F-Series?=

In a message dated 2/5/99 11:26:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:

> Did you look at your title? My title has the original sales price right on
> it, I think like 7K. It may be different fo r you though, bein in a
> different
> state but its a good place to check.


We had only registration until 73 not certificate of title. No sale price
data in either case here (NY). I have the selling price of my truck
($3,932.70 for 67 F-250 4x4 with a bunch of options) I was hoping for
specific suggested retail prices for other models/options.


~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm
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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:22:56 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: break-in on bearings

Message text written by INTERNET:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??

I have over the past few weeks fixing my 460, I just put in new crank
and rod bearings, didnt ring it or anything, just that and a valve job.
Do the bearings have to be broke in, or does that just apply to ringed
engines?

Nope. At least I've never seen anything that
says you should.
I do alot of engine work on aircraft (piston)
and frequently replace valve train parts,
bearings, and other goodies. We never
specify any break-in routine to owners =

unless there was cylinder work ( pistons,
rings,etc.) done. Aircraft engines run
in a much more demanding operational
enviroment than car and truck engines do,
so your 460 should do just fine without any
sort of break-in. Just keep an eye on oil =

pressure. Good luck & stay warm.

Tim in Anchorage, where it's a cozy -15F.
67' F-100 (it's Y2K compliant!)....


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