61-79-list-digest Friday, February 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 039



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series
Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!
FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Shackle Bolts and such
FTE 61-79 - Flamefest!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley carb help and accelerator pumps
FTE 61-79 - Automotive Industry
FTE 61-79 - Accel pump
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61 Unibody Suspension
FTE 61-79 - FE oiling
FTE 61-79 - Torque converters
FTE 61-79 - Carb rebuild
FTE 61-79 - Skidsteer
RE: FTE 61-79 - Holley carb help and accelerator pumps
FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs
FTE 61-79 - carb. tag No. required--was Accel.pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!
FTE 61-79 - Re: Turn Signal cam
FTE 61-79 - 460 swap/ Pulleys & brackets
Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!
FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??
FTE 61-79 - question
FTE 61-79 - New project (Fantasy Stage)
Re: FTE 61-79 - New project (Fantasy Stage)

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:27:26 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Historical Research for 1967 F-Series

Recently, I have been on a mission to find out everything I can on my truck's
history. I made contact with the original owner hoping for some insight but
he couldn't/wouldn't help. However, the dealer where he bought the truck is
still in business. They were kind enough to send me a ledger entry detailing
the entire deal. It also itemized the options with prices for each of the
add-ons.

Here is where I need your help. Does anyone have any sales literature
which has MSRP for 1967 F-Series. I would like to post the data on my page as
it is available to help others. Thanks for your help in advance.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:31:07 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!

>Got the inside of the cab painted today. It is going to look
>awesome. He hit it with 5 coats
>Rudy, my painter, feels like in 2 weeks I ought to have a freshly painted
>truck in my shop ready for assembly!!

Don't slack-off on the webpage bro! I want to see this every step of the
way. :) We also need an update on marko's Merc resto.
By the way... Why are there so many tree stumps in the background of
your truck pic's? It looks like you've been splitting atoms. ;] Get some
pic's up soon so we can see the new paint.

Later!

Deacon Blues
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:43:18 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Leaf Spring Shackle Bolts and such

If you ever need to replace the suspension stuff
on your truck, do yourself a favor and head directly
over to you local Automotive Spring shop.

They had loads of the 'special' bolts the regular
parts places didn't have and couldn't get. They
do this stuff all the time, know what you are talking
about, and have better prices anyway.
Too late for me, save yourself.

HERE'S AN INPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION.

On some suspensions, if you tighten the shackle bolts
too tight, they can actually bind on the bushing and cause
the spring to 'rest' in a not normal position. This shop
(Sacramento Spring, Sacramento CA) frequently fields
calls from customers that complain that the vehicle sits
crooked after installing new bushings/springs. His advice
is to loosen the shackle bolts before doing anything else
to see if it frees up the bound bushing.

Look carefully at your setup, see if it's designed to
have the shackle bolt tight or loose. Those bolts
have self locking nuts on them so the bolt can be
loose and not have the nut come off.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 07:56:03 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flamefest!!!

Stoney, Stoney, Stoney, putting the boys name om such a perversion. Why
didn't you just steal his girlfreind while you were at it.

(Levelling flamethrower) I think we've all from time to time been
concerned about those who live in outer darkness. But they are there
because of the darkness of their hearts. They are blind and ignorant to
the truth, and even take joy from making others blind and ignorant. Now
they've put their taint on you and you must go through a purification.
The FTE flamefest. Take it well, you'll be a better man for it.

Just chant to yourself, Iron Men Don't Wear Bow-Ties, and before you
know it you'll be clean again. As for the boy, you'd better hope you're
still bigger than he is. :-) Gitim' Bud!
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 06:49:58 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Holley carb help and accelerator pumps

The average setup for a holly 4 bbl and an earlier ford uses the ported
vacume port (vacume just above idle) usually the one on the metering
block by the float bowl. If your tune up specs require you to disconnect
the vacume line to the distributor like all GM,s (arg) then you use a
port with full time vacume.



MARK DAVIES wrote:
>
> 2 questions 3 vacume fittings back big one is pcv front of carb
> primary fuel bowl has vacume fitting threaded into it is this one for
> my vac advance or is bottom fiting near base for vac advance whidh is
> which one is for a constant vac source am i right? one more quick
> question i am in the process of rebuilding a 4160 600cfm vac
> secondaries and i threaded the idle jets out of each side without
> counting the number of turns what is a good starting point when i
> put it back together 1.5 turns or what? and how do i set these after
> its running again...ALSO someone posted something about accelerator
> pumps and hard starting a bad pump will also be really noticable
> when you accelerate hard youll have a bad bog then the car will take
> off and go..
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:25:01 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Industry

Three cheers for John: hip-hip hooray; hip-hip hooray; hip-hip hooray.

John writes: >>There are several areas of automotive history that
really steam me. 1.) Emissions 2.) Freon 12 3.) the price of new cars 4.)
plastic 5.) aluminum 6.) the false notion that American cars are junk and
Europe and Japan are masters of automotive engineering.

(The smoke on the horizon will disperse soon.)

Vey well said.

Azie
Ardmolre, Al.


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:32:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Accel pump

Kirk Baillie writes: >>If the accel. pump is bad would this only affect priming
at start up or
would this also affect driving opperation also. The reason why I ask is
that it drives fine (not starving for gas), only starving at start up.
Usually doesn't effect normal driving EXCEPT for sudden acceleration. If the
Accelerator pump is not supplying sufficient gas when you depress the pedal, you
will often times get a hesitation. Sometimes a significant hesitation, depending
on just how little or how much gas is flowing when the accelerator pedal is
depressed, and how suddenly it is depressed.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:37:15 -0500
From: eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61 Unibody Suspension

Hey Brook,

I can't help you with suggestions for adapting power steering to your
'61 Unibody. I'm still trying to figure out how to adapt a dual brake
reseviour & front disks to my '61 Unibody too. (If you haven't noticed
yet, our trucks fall in a window that is pretty poorly supported by the
aftermarket).

Anyhow, in reference to your question about smoothing your ride, I'd
like to offer to you to upgrade your tires to radials today (if you
haven't already). This makes a major improvement in handling. As for
MY thoughts on IFS - DON'T do it just 'cuz everybody else is and that's
what the magazines say is the 'cool thing' to do. Again, IMHO.

Make sure your front end is in good shape (king pins, greased, shocks,
etc). You could probably get some new front leafsprings made locally if
your's are old or too stiff. There was some list talk a while ago about
how some truck's grease hardens in the king pins and the new grease
can't do it's job well.... I didn't have this problem, but maybe your's
does. I believe the fix for it was to take a propane torch and heat the
area until you can pump in new grease to push out the old (just be
careful not to burn the rubber grease seals that are on the top and
bottom of each king pin - your's are there, right?).

I went through my front end and it rides quite well.... granted, not as
smooth as a newer car, ('cuz it's a truck) but well. ;-) Where ya'
located?

Good luck,
Eric 'Stitch' in Southern Ind.
"Happy Days"
1961 F100 Unibody w/292ci Y-block

> bbearden poseidon.net wrote:
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Suspension
>
> I have a 61 Ford truck with the unibody. I was wondering if you have
> ever heard of how to get that straight axle how to ride any smoother and how
> to adapt power steering to it.
> I thought about putting IFS on the front but all of those kits lower the truck
> and I do not want that. ANyways just wanted to see if any one else had
> thought about this.
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:38:00 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE oiling

Marv Miller writes: >>Be sure to
do these mods just
before the block goes out to the hot tank. You sure don't need those
nasty metal chips
floating around through the system.

I meant to put this in my post. (It's tough getting old and forgetful, you
know). Lots of vatting and air through all oil passages asap after removing the
block from the vat. If there is any doubt, do it again - and again, until you
are absolutely sure that all shavings/filings are no longer in the block.

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:40:56 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Torque converters

Joe Shoman writes: >>Can anybody tell me if there us a difference in a C-6
tranny
torque conv. in a 2wd truck compared to a 4x4 truck??or are they
the same units?????

Vehicle is not the determining factor. The engine and the tranny is the
determining factors. Any C-6 torque converter is OK as long as it is the right
one for the engine also.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:49:39 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb rebuild

Mark Davies writes: >>what is a good starting point when i
put it back together 1.5 turns or what?

I'd start with 2&1/2 turns and go from there.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:47:33 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Skidsteer

Mark Davies writes: >>My dad has a old 76 ford skidsteer(bobcat) it has a 30 hp
air cooled
wisconsin engine it recently developed a clunking soun after its ran
for awhile and hot, does anyone know where i can find parts for this
machine engine is tired so rebuild stuff and needs bucket pins and
seals etc. any info,litature,sources,or links would be gratly
appreciated..

Try your local Ford INDUSTRIAL tractor dealer (backhoes, Loaders etc.)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:17:15 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Holley carb help and accelerator pumps

> ----------
> From: MARK DAVIES[SMTP:mdavie flash.lakeheadu.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:39 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley carb help and accelerator pumps
>
> one more quick
> question i am in the process of rebuilding a 4160 600cfm vac
> secondaries and i threaded the idle jets out of each side without
> counting the number of turns what is a good starting point when i
> put it back together 1.5 turns or what? and how do i set these after
> its running again...
>
>
Holley uses two different idle air systems so you may want to check here
first.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/HomePage/TofC.html

I use a 9834 600cfm Holley on my 429. It has the idle air screws on the
sides of the metering block. If memory serves, I got a good idle at ~ 1/2
turn out from bottom. This is a VERY sensitive adjustment with about 1/3 of
a turn being the difference between running and not running. After you get
it running, put a vacuum gauge on the carb and adjust the idle mix to obtain
maximum vacuum, or simply set the idle mix with your nostrils wrapped around
the tail pipe. ;}

Tracy
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:31:58 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

A while ago I asked about my front springs, and several of you said they
were probably sagging ... now of course I want to replace them. Is there
any brand I should stay away from ? In the interest of getting my truck
into the garage I think I'll stick with a stock height ...

where'd you all come up with yours at ? Suggestions ? I've found a
website that has them for $70, and I can get them locally for $79 ... but
if I can order them for less I would do that, I'm not too worried about
replacing them myself (yes I know how to use spring compressors and jacks)


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:51:06 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs

I've had great luck with Superlift springs on lift kits, but for just stock
springs, we put a set in a friends truck that we bought from Stuver here in
Akron, OH. They cost $65 bucks if I remember correctly, and were just
factory replacements. They brought the sag out of his truck and worked
great. I don't think you really have to worry much about getting them
locally if all your going is back to stock. I don't remember if you said
you were doing it to a 4x4 or 2x4, but in either case, you can drop the
axles low enough once you disconnect steering and shocks that you can put
the springs in, and out without using the lethal spring compressors. The
only pain to the whole job is getting the little clip at the top tower that
keeps them from popping out back in! 8-)
Have fun-

Tony
tony pscico.com
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>where'd you all come up with yours at ? Suggestions ? I've found a
>website that has them for $70, and I can get them locally for $79 ... but
>if I can order them for less I would do that, I'm not too worried about
>replacing them myself (yes I know how to use spring compressors and jacks)
>
>
>Thanks,
>wish
>73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
>96 Mustang GT
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:10:02 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs

At 11:31 AM 2/4/99 -0600, you wrote:
>A while ago I asked about my front springs, and several of you said they
>were probably sagging ... now of course I want to replace them. Is there
>any brand I should stay away from ? In the interest of getting my truck
>into the garage I think I'll stick with a stock height ...
>
>where'd you all come up with yours at ? Suggestions ? I've found a
>website that has them for $70, and I can get them locally for $79 ... but
>if I can order them for less I would do that, I'm not too worried about
>replacing them myself (yes I know how to use spring compressors and jacks)


I used Superlift front springs when I replaced mine in my 71 4x4
and feel they are of awesome quality, they even came powdercoated.
They also had 2 extra inches of lift to help level things out.
I cannot even remeber how much they cost when I bought them this summer.
It is worth spending a little extra when replacing springs, I have learned
in life "You usually get what you pay for!"

Other suspension gurus out there??

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 01:38:02 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb. tag No. required--was Accel.pump

I have a bit of a problem. I am trying to get a accel. pump kit but I
need the carb tag number, and the tag is no longer on it. The only
numbers on the carb. are 1.08 and below that 6AK3

The carb is a 2150 2V off of a 76 f100 (currently has a 351W in it)
vin-- F10GCC34499

If any body has this similar set up or knowledge to help let me know
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:13:56 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!

At 03:31 AM 2/4/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Got the inside of the cab painted today. It is going to look
>>awesome. He hit it with 5 coats
>>Rudy, my painter, feels like in 2 weeks I ought to have a freshly painted
>>truck in my shop ready for assembly!!
>
> Don't slack-off on the webpage bro!


I have pictures at the shop being developed as we speak. I am really
gonna ride that "KID"
who manages my site for me. He tends to slack a little you know!!

I want to see this every step of the
>way. :)

10-4 Deacon, One of the things we are going to do with the page when done
is try a timelapsed
video of the reconstruction of the truck from the frame up. I plan on
filming a few
seconds of video with each new addition. Film should only last about 25
seconds.

We also need an update on marko's Merc resto.

Markooooooo! where are yoooooouu???????
lemme hear from you on or off list.
I need soem info about that Merc!!!

> By the way... Why are there so many tree stumps in the background of
>your truck pic's?

We tend to get ravaged with tornadoes here so I cut everyting that might
hit my house.

It looks like you've been splitting atoms. ;]
hehehehe yes it does,

Cut a total of 38 trees in the front yard and 112 in the total 1.3 acres I
own.
I still have mucho trees around here so for all you tree huggers go easy on
me.
Get some
>pic's up soon so we can see the new paint.

will do!!
BTW- Deacon, don't be so absent around here, we need a little humor every
now and again!!!
Bye bye!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:24:45 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs

> ----------
> From: Stu Varner[SMTP:varners usit.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 2:10 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Springs
>
>
> I used Superlift front springs when I replaced mine in my 71 4x4
> and feel they are of awesome quality, they even came powdercoated.
> They also had 2 extra inches of lift to help level things out.
> I cannot even remeber how much they cost when I bought them this summer.
> It is worth spending a little extra when replacing springs, I have learned
> in life "You usually get what you pay for!"
>
> Other suspension gurus out there??
>
> Stu
> Nuke GM!
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
>
Stu and all,
I used 4" Superlift leaf springs ($175 ea.) on my '79 F250 4x4.
Killer articulation!!! But... they delivered the front lift kit with wrong
parts, which meant the truck spent an extra 3 days on the jack stands. I
later ordered a 4" drop drag link which was delivered with a rough casting
in place of a machined tie rod end. They offered to reimburse me the
shipping cost ($8) so they could inspect the part, after which they would
ship the replacement. 1 1/2 weeks later I got the right parts. I tried
like hell to get that $8 back but was told "It's not our policy to reimburse
shipping costs". I won't repeat what I said to that bitch. BTW the springs
were made in Canada even tho they told me they are made in the USA. (they
must have forgotten to remove the 'Made In Canada' stickers.)

Summary: Superlift is a bunch of worthless idiots with absolutely no
quality control whatsoever. NEVER again!!!!

OTOH I installed a 4" Trailmaster kit on my '78 F150 4x4 shortbed.
The parts were right the first time, the people were friendly and the
suspension worked beautifully with great articulation.

I'll never again use anything but Trailmaster.

Tracy

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:41:10 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!

>> Don't slack-off on the webpage bro!
>
> I have pictures at the shop being developed as we speak. I am really
>gonna ride that "KID"
>who manages my site for me. He tends to slack a little you know!!

Some of us actually have to do "work" at work Stu!!!!! 8-)

Tony "The KID" Marino
tony pscico.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 17:30:50 -0500
From: Marc Stine
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Turn Signal cam

I thought I broke my turnsignal cam over a year and a half ago, from the
diagnosis I gave to everyone they agreed. Turns out after I pulled the
wheel it wasn't the cam itself, but the plastic piece that deactivates
the cam. It has a little spring loaded piece of metal that fits in a
track on the base of the steerin wheel. The plastic nub (sorry I don't
know the real name for this thing) that houses this little guy cracked
and the metal began to wear off center until it no longer contacted with
the base of the steering wheel, thus it didn't disconnect the cam.
Luckily there are two of these nubs so I pulled out the metal piece and
spring and installed them in the other hole. Worked well till this
week, I think the metal pin has just taken too much abuse and it's time
to replace it. If I can find a small nail or maybe cut a piece of a
paperclip it'll be alright.



Marc
79 F150 4X4 351M "Clifford"
79 F150 4X4 300 "Patch"
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:42:45 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap/ Pulleys & brackets

Hello Friends,
Thanks for all the good help during my 400/460 swap. Motor is in, headers
are ready to bolt up. It does'nt look like the brackets and pulleys will work
in my 78 4x4. The 460 is from a 70 Lincoln. What do i need to get to run my
alt, PS, water pump, and A/C? Thanks again. Boon
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:09:00 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - inside of cab painted today!

Thanks for your message at 03:41 PM 2/4/99 -0500, Tony Marino. Your message
was:
>>> Don't slack-off on the webpage bro!
>>
>> I have pictures at the shop being developed as we speak. I am really
>>gonna ride that "KID"
>>who manages my site for me. He tends to slack a little you know!!
>
>Some of us actually have to do "work" at work Stu!!!!! 8-)
...and some of us thought about that when we chose our careers, so we'd
have more time to work on our 61-79 Ford trucks (FTE content).
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:05:40 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Break-in on bearings??

I have over the past few weeks fixing my 460, I just put in new crank
and rod bearings, didnt ring it or anything, just that and a valve job.
Do the bearings have to be broke in, or does that just apply to ringed
engines?

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:17:27 -0600
From: "Curtis Crawford"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - question

Does anybody know a place on the web that has info on converting a 2 wheel
drive to a 4x4?
Thanks
jdcrwfrd pld.com

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:21:33 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New project (Fantasy Stage)



I have a 1962 stepside (sorry, I just can't seem to stop calling it that)
with a decent cab and very decent bed (no engine) sitting in my backyard.
I have a 1970 Mercury Marquis with what seems like a strong 429 and C6,
ugly looking beast, sitting in my driveway, waiting for me to try out my
new cutting and grinding tools.
My original plan was to use the 429 and C6 in my 73 Mustang, which now has
a decent 302 2V. When I drive the Mustang, I ask myself "What could I
possible do with 100 more horsepower?" (I know, silly question.)

What I've come around to (with the help of my crazy neighbor, Levi) is the
possibility of stripping the Marquis down to the frame and mounting the 62
pickup on the marquis frame. I've done some measuring and, with an
adjustment of the rear fender location, I think I can make it work.

My question is "Would this project fall under the category of the FTE
content code?" I mean, is what I will be building still going to be a Ford
truck? This worries me, since I don't think I can do this without you guys....


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