Re: FTE 61-79 - Man Fixes '69 Ammeter Without Altering Shunt!

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, February 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 037

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Man Fixes '69 Ammeter Without Altering Shunt!
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's low oil pressure
FTE 61-79 - Good Sources for Carpet/ Interior stuff?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oversize Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Good Sources for Carpet/ Interior stuff?
FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
FTE 61-79 - The Ongoing Synthorphisis
FTE 61-79 - driveline demise
FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????
Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????
FTE 61-79 - 410 pistons
Re: FTE 61-79 - The Ongoing Synthorphisis
FTE 61-79 - Re: Snip , Snip
FTE 61-79 - RE:Wiring of Regulator and alternator etc
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Wiring of Regulator and alternator etc
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise
Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
FTE 61-79 - Stator terminal connection
Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
FTE 61-79 - Torque??
FTE 61-79 - vibration
FTE 61-79 - Vibration
FTE 61-79 - FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's low oil pressure
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors
Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors
Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration
FTE 61-79 - 1,000,000 Served and Counting
FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold/Header gaskets
Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????
FTE 61-79 - Tapping rockers, FTDV3 #35
FTE 61-79 - Oh man, I am back (noisy engine), FTDV3 #35

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 06:33:06 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Man Fixes '69 Ammeter Without Altering Shunt!

Pat, and group, in the interest of lowering length:

snip snip snip snip snip SNIP SNIP SNIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Pat, it is a typo. alternator not ammeter.
Re conjecture on connections at solenoid: I was actually debating the
possibility of them using a shouldered, dielectric washer to isolate the
connection on the post, to get the shunt in circuit -

| | - solenoid terminal
_|| ||_ ____washer
| |
Easy part to disappear (if ever there). Researching this one is low low low
on my priority list, but the idea did pop to mind. Shrug.

Jim E.

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 07:54:42 EST
From: My427Stang

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's low oil pressure

I have never had a problem with low oil pressure on a good running FE, but
some racer's tricks are to restrict the oil to the rockers, this keeps more at
the mains, and run a high volume pump during rebuild. Those two things, along
with proper bearing clearances, should keep any lower end together
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:33:04 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good Sources for Carpet/ Interior stuff?

>I have a '79 F-250 4x4. I've had it for about 10 years, and
>am now in the process of trying to undo some of the damage
>I've done. One of the things I'm most in need of is a new
>carpet for this thing. Can anyone recommend a good source
>for these?
>I have one catalog for this truck, but the only carpet it
>list is black (I need maroon), and "Not for C-6 or 4-speed"
>(I have a C-6).
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
Custom Interiors, 800-423-6053.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

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\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 08:43:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oversize Pistons

At 06:21 PM 2/1/99 , you wrote:
>Someone told me that when you rebuild an engine have to bore the cylinders
>oversize that for every 10 over you gain one cubic inch per cylinder on the
>displacement of the engine. So if I had a 460 that was 30 over it would
>really be an 484? Does anyone know if that is true and if so how would that
>effect the performance and/or economy of the engine?
>FredZ

The best way to find out what your new size will be is to take the original
bore (usually easy to find) add .030 to it, then use the following formula

bore*bore/4*pi*stroke*cylinders = displacement .... so for a 460 ...

4.36+.030 = 4.39

4.39*4.39/4*pi*3.85*8 = 466.1971679cu. in. approximately :)

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 08:38:24 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good Sources for Carpet/ Interior stuff?

Sean,

I got my carpet through JC Whitney. They have a pretty good selection of
colors and several grades. For a lot of the carpet you can get matching
kick panels, lower door panels and crpet by the yard. They are a retailer
so you might be able to get a better deal from a factory direct outlet. I
think I did my standard cab wall to wall for about $100. I have a 4x2 with
a C6. The carpet has been about 2 years and so far has worn well.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with JC Whitney in any way. As with any
business, some stuff is good, some not so good.

- -John

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:05:18 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????

Lately my 76 F100 with a 351W is needing to be primed more then usual
or she won't start. Before all she needed was 2 pumps but now she
requires four. What could be causing this. I changed the fuel filter
but no luck. I also added some STP gas treatment.

Thanks
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:20:09 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

>>>The 460 was nice, but what about that new V10 ? Nothin like 6L of revving
>>>... and revving and revving ... :)
>
>460 cubic inches = 7.5 litres. Heck, my 351M is 5.8 litres. Either one has
>pistons like a washtub (slight exageration). The V10 pistons probably look
>like tomato paste cans. Like the sig line says, give me Dearborn IRON, not
>aluminum and plastic.
>
Not to continue beating a dead horse, but they are still IRON blocks on the
V10. I also didn't remember the exact displacement ... its a 3.55in bore x
4.16in stroke ... not too bad in the stroke department ... lets see that's
3.55*3.55/4*pi*4.16*10=411.756 ci

>Just this morning someone said they were thinking of buying a pickup. I of
>course said that if they wanted a real truck, they needed a Ford, 79 or
>older. Someone else said you better have deep pockets to keep it running.
>My come back was that I can really fix a trick pickup that anyone would be
>proud to own and buy fuel for three years with the 20 grand you would drop
>on a new truck. The conversation suddenly ended.
>
It is hard to argue either way, but you have to look at the end user (wow
I've been in computers too long) and see what their technical abilities
are. You and I can keep a 79 running on a minimum budget for quite some
time ... my officemate can change his plugs and oil, but if anything else
happened he'd be lost...as a result he drives a 98 D*dge and I drive a
73(ish) "real" truck ....

I know I should have just let this post go, but I felt the same as you did
until June of last year. That's when I testdrove my first modular motored
vehicle. In the same day I test drove a 5.0 and a 4.6 'stang. The 4.6
(SOHC) was incredible, so smooth compared with the 5.0, though not quite as
torquey, but incredibly smooth power (not as peaky either)...

Anyway I'll step off my soap box now ... but you should really give them a
shot, just take one for a test drive sometime ...

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:21:19 EST
From: My427Stang

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????

Probably choke adjustment, as it gets colder, if the choke was close, it may
be too loose for the cold weather. Also it could be an accelerator pump going
bad, the 4 shots may only be giving the same amount 2 did before
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:22:48 EST
From: My427Stang

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 pistons

If anyone is looking I have 12 410 pistons for sale. With a 410 or 428 crank
it would you would get 410 cubes out of a 390. They are used, but you can
easily get 1 set out of the 12 with spares.
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 12:06:27 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The Ongoing Synthorphisis

At 08:20 AM 2/2/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Bill,
>
>The 5.0 in my Towncar sounds like a deisel at idle also. Of course you
>can't hear it from inside. It worried me at first. 45k miles later and I
>kind of like it now. No one can figure out what's under there because it
>doesn't stink or smoke.

My 89 Grand Marquis used to scare the crap out of me becasue the air pump
for the rear air shocks sounded like
a valve train that chattered without end at idle, could it be something
similar to this in your
Towncar?? They share alot of the same stuff. 140,000 miles later, I
have had little to reapir whatsoever mechanically, and she uses no oil and
runs like a champ!!

Maybe I am way off here? I dunno, Could be the drugs from
The old "wisdom teeth" surgery last night!!!

hehehehe
Stu
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>
>
>-John
>
>jlagrone

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>http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
>Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:13:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Snip , Snip

> Pat, and group, in the interest of lowering length:
> snip snip snip snip snip SNIP SNIP SNIP!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I know. I tried, but there was just too much stuff there.
Besides, you wrote most of it :-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California He did it! Uhh-uhhh! You did it first!
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:20:44 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Wiring of Regulator and alternator etc

Pat,

You really threw me when you said:

>Sorry, I didn't quite complete that. What I should have typed was "The
>'S' Term ON THE REGULATOR connects to the ignition switch, the 'STA'
>term on the alternator ISN'T USED, as you discovered.

The FE engine I put in my truck came from a 68 F250 and I am just
realizing that the charging circuit is not working. I had the same charging
drawing as Steve's
from a vintage Chiltons and wired everything up exactly like the drawing.
But you say that the
stator on the alt is not used and the S on the reg goes to the ignition
switch ? ! ? ! ?
Now I'm really confused!
How should all of this be wired?

Tom
With gray matter dripping out of his ears in Reno,NV

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 10:35:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE:Wiring of Regulator and alternator etc

Tom asked:
> Pat,
> You really threw me when you said:
>
> >Sorry, I didn't quite complete that. What I should have typed was "The
> >'S' Term ON THE REGULATOR connects to the ignition switch, the 'STA'
> >term on the alternator ISN'T USED, as you discovered.
>
> The FE engine I put in my truck came from a 68 F250 and I am just
> realizing that the charging circuit is not working. I had the same
> charging drawing as Steve's from a vintage Chiltons and wired
> everything up exactly like the drawing. But you say that the stator
> on the alt is not used and the S on the reg goes to the ignition
> switch ? ! ? ! ?

The 'STA' alternator terminal isn't used when when the truck has a
(factory) ammeter. If you have an alternator warning light, then it
should be connected as per Steve's drawing.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California Home of alt.ford.alternators
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 11:37:05 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise

Now you guys have me worried...I have some play in my driveshaft, about
an inch and if you crank the shaft over hard with your hand it makes a
clunk in differential. Only makes noise once in a while and only when
starting from a standstill. There is no noise when accelerating or
stopping. The u-joints and hanger bearings are all 4-5 months old. Is
this normal operating noise or should i pull apart the diff? And if yes
what am I looking to replace?

Yeesh this list is bad for the never ending TODO list...

Bruce
65 Mercury F-100 (M-100??) 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 14:38:38 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

>>The 460 was nice, but what about that new V10 ? Nothin like 6L of revving
>>>>... and revving and revving ... :)

I am seriously considering buying a 99 SD 250 with the V10 in it. I just
wish it was a 460.
The V10 is 415 cid as I understand it. They share the same piston size as
the 4.6, 5.4 and the duratec 6 cylinders. Don't know displacement on the V6
dohc motors. Part of the new "modular Romeo engine" plan.
They are quite torquey for being what they are!!! I like em better than
the 5.4 but fear what would happen
with such a long crankshaft over time.

>>460 cubic inches = 7.5 litres. Heck, my 351M is 5.8 litres. Either one has
>>pistons like a washtub (slight exageration). The V10 pistons probably look
>>like tomato paste cans. Like the sig line says, give me Dearborn IRON, not
>>aluminum and plastic.

I have a 4.6 Crown Vic/Special Service that is one running sum buck!!!
70,000 trouble free miles! It is a silky smooth motor family. Nothing
like an FE but this
is an engine I apprecate even though I cannot do the mechanical work on it.
:(

>not too bad in the stroke department ... lets see that's
>3.55*3.55/4*pi*4.16*10=411.756 ci
as a result he drives a 98 D*dge and I drive a
>73(ish) "real" truck ....
>

I would argue a new Super Duty *is* a real truck. Dana 60 axle in 4x4 up
front
Corporate 10 inch rear axle......don't get much realer than that!!! not in
this day and time

I will stop now as the debate is pineaples and kiwi.
I know what you mean about older trucks being inexpensive to keep running,
I agree too,
but the new SD's are tuff beasts!!!! I need something to travel 600 miles
in and haul the whole family!
Soemthing I won't have to worry about for a while.

>I know I should have just let this post go, but I felt the same as you did
>until June of last year. That's when I testdrove my first modular motored
>vehicle. In the same day I test drove a 5.0 and a 4.6 'stang. The 4.6
>(SOHC) was incredible, so smooth compared with the 5.0, though not quite as
>torquey, but incredibly smooth power (not as peaky either)...

I like em as I mentioned earlier, BTW- Today's truck are the Hobby trucks
of tomorrow!!
Keep that in mind. Can't have old iron available like we have today in 30
years.
They will be too expensive and probably illegal if the gov't has anything
to say about them.
>
>Anyway I'll step off my soap box now ... but you should really give them a
>shot, just take one for a test drive sometime ...
>
Stu
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:59:49 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stator terminal connection

Hey Pat,
I've been following the thread between you
and Jim about his charging system trouble.
On many applications the stator terminal of
alternator connects to the choke heater cap.
So it may be that he's got an extra wire for this
purpose. Shouldn't have anything to do with
the trouble, but it might be useful for someone.
By the way, if Tim O'Conner doesn't want the
pwr. steering brackets you have, I may be
interested. I'd just need a little more info.

Tim in Anchorage where it's -18 F. Brrr!
67' F-100 (it's Y2K compliant!)
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:08:05 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

In a message dated 2/2/99 12:49:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, varners

usit.net
writes:

with such a long crankshaft over time.
>>
it cant be any longer than the crankshaft for a 300 6, and for that matter, I
used to build Cat 3516 diesels. Now there is a long crankshaft. 9 main
bearings, 16 cyls, Average was about 1475 HP.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
52 REO 6x6 "Sylvester"
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 16:00:01 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

At 04:08 PM 2/2/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/2/99 12:49:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, varners

usit.net
>writes:
>
>
> with such a long crankshaft over time.

The V-10 has just not had a long history of pounding like the good old 300
has had!
I do not like things which have not had years to prove themselves like
FE's, Windsors,
5.0's and 385 series motors have. They are all good motors although I
must admit I am
pleased with the 4.6 mod motor in my Police Car wanna be Crown Vic and do
feel it has proven itself
even tough a few hi rpm oiling problems have arisen with some people who
own Cobra DOHC 4.6's.
I just think of Jaguars and their v12's etc. and some of the crank
problems they have had in
the past.

The V10 is one long motor!!!
Some of the inline eight cylinder deisels that were on gasoline/diesel
barges when I worked for
Ashland Oil Inc. were long too!!! they lasted though!

We'll see what the future brings, I hope no one sees this as me abandoning
my love for old trucks!
A person ought to be able to have the best of both worlds right??

I'll get it (topic) back on track to 61-79 models, sorry for birdwalking Ken!

Stu (IA)
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:17:31 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Torque??

>bearings, 16 cyls, Average was about 1475 HP.

What kind of torque did those make?
Deisel = Torque it seems...

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:17:43 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vibration

John LaG writes: >>If the vibration is still there, take off the brake drum and
do it again.

Be sure not to apply the brakes while the drum is off......... You know what
will happen if you do - right... Stop the rotation while the drum is off by
turning the ignition off and let it coast to a stop.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 14:38:20 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

Bud writes: >> Also, it has started dieseling as of late.

Not good for an engine. You've got too much idle speed or a serious vacuum
leak, or something of that nature. There was a big discussion on the 80-96
list just a few days ago, but I don't have any of their posts. There might be
something in the archives, but I can't access them.

Could it be that the engine actually is hesitating when you tromp on it so
suddenly that when it does catch that it is just a hammer sound taking up the
slack created in the driveline so suddenly??? With the truck properly
positioned and blocked so as not to roll off, how much slack is in your
driveline??? How far can you rotate the driveshaft with the tranny in neutral
and the rear end stationary??

Just thoughts.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:27:03 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's

Pat Brown .. Do you keep everything we put on the List???

I just read some very interesting threads you had preserved from sometime back
we had on the Longevity of the FE. You're not a lawyer, and going to hold this
against us at some later date when you build the ultimate FE and do all the
things we discussed on those threads, and for some unknown reason the engine
doesn't last past 7000 rpms or something like that. Are you???

To add to that thread, All of the oil holes that enter the mains can be drilled
larger all the way through the cam holes into the main oil galley that goes down
the middle of the block EXCEPT #4. It has an offset in the passage between the
Main oil galley and the cam or between the cam and the main (I forgot again).
But for this to accomplish any good, you really have to drill out the main oil
galley(it is capped at both ends with what most folks refer to as "freeze
plugs") as well and the feed from the filter adaptor to the main oil galley that
goes down the middle of the block. All of this makes the FE nearly
indestructable up to 7000. Seems like we started at the filter adaptor with
1/2" holes and dropped to 7/16 " at the mani oil galley. I've lost all my old
documentation(actually, I think my wife threw it away, but she denies it), so
I'm sure some of this stuff is inaccurate to some degree. I used to talk to
Holman/Moody quite regularly during the winters. I bought several pieces from
them such as intakes, pistons, rods, rod bolts, etc. They were great to work
with and would share information freely. Ford was furnishing them experimental
parts and if they got something better, the old piece got to someone like me,
and occasionally it was me.

Gotta go. Rambled enough.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:54:13 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's

> Pat Brown .. Do you keep everything we put on the List???

Hee Hee. Only the stuff I can use against you :-). Actually, I lost
just about everything a few months back. Some files, like the FE
reprint , I had converted to plain text and stored away in a different
directory. Oh yeah, Ken saves everything. And Marko is the Lawyer:-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:27:38 -0500
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's low oil pressure

Pat,

Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

I'm in the middle of my 360 to 410 conversion and had this exact thread
stored and some one at work zapped it. My block just came out of the
machine shop and my 428 crank, 428 rods and 410 pistons just went to the
machine shop to be balanced. With this info, I'm gonna get the block back
to them to get it "Right".

Whew! (Big Sigh of Relief!)

Later and Thanks again,

- -Ted

>I snipped this thread a while back, it's long, but
>just imagine Steve, Azie, and Bill sitting around the
>shop, talking about FE's :-).

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:30:40 -0500
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors

Ken/Peggy,

Congrats again! I knew this place would catch on when I stumbled accross it
over a year ago. Way to go guys!

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----

Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 1:45 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors

>Hi gang!
>
>Its official! Just compiled the January logs and we
>had our one millionth visitor to the Ford Truck
>Enthusiasts web site late in the month. In our first
>year, we had slightly over 100,000 visitors and over
>900,000 in the second year.
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:34:22 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????

My427Stang

aol.com wrote
Also it could be an accelerator pump going
> bad, the 4 shots may only be giving the same amount 2 did before

How can I tell if its the accel. pump I took the cover off and looked
at the diaphram today but nothing obviously wrong. (But this is the
first carb. I have owned)
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:50:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 1 Million visitors

At 08:30 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken/Peggy,
>
>Congrats again! I knew this place would catch on when I stumbled accross it
>over a year ago. Way to go guys!
>
>-Ted

Word of mouth has really helped. Thanks to everyone here.
Now the trick is to keep our community feeling as we
grow.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:41:41 EST
From: My427Stang

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????

For the price of an accelerator pump, throw one in. But first, have someone
check that choke for you when the motor is cold, I'd bet thats the problem
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:51:43 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

You're telling me not good, worrys me to death every time i turn the darn
thing off and it keeps on going. Seems to only do it though when i am
parked with the nose down...is that related or just a figure of my
imagination? Should i turn my idle down? I have it set at about 1000
rpm's though it wants to idle at nearly 500 whenever it is warming up.
Also, just found out today that dad's 5 month old Edelbrock 750 carb just
bit the dust. Supposedly a brand new carb, and i'll be damned if it wasn't
2 months past warrenty. So, we just ordered a new 4160 Holley and a manual
to learn about them. The reason that we bought the Edelbrock is because
they were supposed to be just old rebuilt AFB's (both mine and my fathers
old one still have WEBER stamped on the side of them actually) and alot
more simple to adjust than the Holley's. But, his truck was doing about
the same as mine is now, just worse, and we took it to the shop and the
carb is shot. Could it be that mine is heading the same direction? Should
i start looking at a 4160 too? I would really like to have a Holley on my
truck, once i sit down and take the time to learn a little bit about them.
Heard always good things about the performance, just have to be a tuning
wiz to handle them. Can't check the driveline slack tonight as it is cold
wet and dark out there, but will check first thing tomorrow morning and
post the results. Thanks.

- -Bud
'79 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
'76 F-100 302, 3-speed (For Sale)

At 02:38 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Bud writes: >> Also, it has started dieseling as of late.
>
>
>Not good for an engine. You've got too much idle speed or a serious vacuum
>leak, or something of that nature. There was a big discussion on the 80-96
>list just a few days ago, but I don't have any of their posts. There
might be
>something in the archives, but I can't access them.
>
>Could it be that the engine actually is hesitating when you tromp on it so
>suddenly that when it does catch that it is just a hammer sound taking up the
>slack created in the driveline so suddenly??? With the truck properly
>positioned and blocked so as not to roll off, how much slack is in your
>driveline??? How far can you rotate the driveshaft with the tranny in
neutral
>and the rear end stationary??
>
>Just thoughts.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 22:54:48 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

Also, it can't be just the slack, because i have slowly accelerated and it
does the same thing. Every now and then now, my truck get's kinda snotty
and she will do this when just going uphill under normal acceleration. She
just kinda has her phases, she will run alright for a few minutes, then at
the drop of a hat under no change in conditions or driving techniques she
will just start running like crap. Haven't a clue and am frankly getting
quite aggravated.

- -Bud
'79 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
'76 F-100 302, 3-speed (For Sale)

At 02:38 PM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Bud writes: >> Also, it has started dieseling as of late.
>
>
>Not good for an engine. You've got too much idle speed or a serious vacuum
>leak, or something of that nature. There was a big discussion on the 80-96
>list just a few days ago, but I don't have any of their posts. There
might be
>something in the archives, but I can't access them.
>
>Could it be that the engine actually is hesitating when you tromp on it so
>suddenly that when it does catch that it is just a hammer sound taking up the
>slack created in the driveline so suddenly??? With the truck properly
>positioned and blocked so as not to roll off, how much slack is in your
>driveline??? How far can you rotate the driveshaft with the tranny in
neutral
>and the rear end stationary??
>
>Just thoughts.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:26:40 MST
From: "Gear Guru"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

I have a 79 bronco w/ a 400M and it diesels (keeps on runnin after
ignition is off) only when i put cheap gas in it. But i heard that it
can be caused by the solenoid on the carb(sticking)???

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 21:32:52 MST
From: "Gear Guru"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

I have a 79 bronco w/ a 400M and it diesels (keeps on runnin after
ignition is off) only when i put cheap gas in it. But i heard that it
can be caused by the solenoid on the carb(sticking)???
Concerning the driveline flex, have you checked your engine and
tranny mounts? They could be shot. The bolts on my transfer case mount
came loose a few months ago and it caused noise in my driveline, also
killed my rear cv joint. Check for axle wrap too.
Just my thoughts.(quite a few)
AZ Eric
'79 Bronco custom, 400M/t18/np205, 196,00 miles :o)

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 23:47:47 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1,000,000 Served and Counting

Way to go!

This really is the best site on the net!

> Hi gang!
>
> Its official! Just compiled the January logs and we
> had our one millionth visitor to the Ford Truck
> Enthusiasts web site late in the month. In our first
> year, we had slightly over 100,000 visitors and over
> 900,000 in the second year.
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 21:53:42 -0800
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold/Header gaskets

I noticed that the subject of exhaust gaskets and leaks, has come up for the
FE engine. I recently had a leak which led me to find some very good
working manifold/header gaskets ( I am currently running headers). Both
Felpro and Victor now offer performance style gaskets with much improved
sealing characteristics. Now for the bad news, they run about $30-40 a set.
I have used both brands and can't say that one is better than the
ther( both have worked very well). The Felpro gasket for the vertical bolt
pattern FE head is part #1442 and the part # for the Felpro CJ style
(diagonal) bolt pattern is #1485. Victor gasket #95032sg is for the
vertical bolt pattern head. Hopefully this is of some help, sorry it took so
long I am in digest mode. Steve :-) '69 F250 / 390 4V
'57 E-bird (8V)

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:56:24 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - needs more gas????

My427Stang

aol.com wrote:
>
> For the price of an accelerator pump, throw one in. But first, have someone
> check that choke for you when the motor is cold, I'd bet thats the problem

I put in a manual choke a couple of months ago and just lately this has
started up. I've played with the choke in many different setting but
makes no difference. Even now when the engine is warm (20 min after
shut down) it still needs a pump or two for it to start unlike before...
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 06:33:35 GMT
From: cdailey

newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tapping rockers, FTDV3 #35

Bud--

Are you running a hydraulic cam? (I assume so, from how you are
adjusting the rockers). If so, make sure that your lifters are in
good condition. They are pretty cheap, even for performance lifters.
If the lifters are worn, they will bleed down too fast, causing the
ticking you are talking about, and cranking them down won't help
anything but collapse the lifter sooner. I'd check the lifters first.
Going to a higher viscosity oil may fix your ticking problem, but it
may also cause other oiling problems in tight clearance areas, like
your rocker arms.

As far as roller rockers are concerned, most stock valvetrain parts
are completely compatible, with one possible exception: studs. Most
roller setups require adjustable studs and nuts, and sometimes
guideplates. If you already have an adjustable valvetrain installed,
it would probably be a direct bolt in, no more than unbolting the old,
installing and adjusting the new. Best thing to do is call the
manufacturer or parts supplier and ask them. They usually have the
best information when it comes to parts swaps.

Chad

>Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 23:53:09 -0500
>From: j arnold
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - tapping rockers
>
>While i am in a general whiny mood concerning my truck, i have another
>little problem that i hope some of you can help me with. Once my truck =
has
>been warming up for about 5-10 minutes in the mornings, some of the =
rockers
>on the passenger side begin to tap. A friend said that it was probably
>because they were the original rockers, and they had developed a little
>groove over the years, and they were just tapping on the rocker arms. I
>have adjusted my rockers as far down as possible. I am also running =
10W40
>motor oil in her. My question is this: if i run a thicker oil, say =
20W50
>or possibly a synthetic blend, will it be enough to quell this little =
tap?
>Everyone that has looked at it says that it isn't a bad tap, just =
annoying
>like crazy. Also, if i were to buy a set of roller rockers for it, =
would i
>be able to run them on the stock valve train (minus a mild cam, but not =
a
>roller cam)? Or would i have to upgrade the entire valve train to =
roller
>accessories? Thanks in advance for all replys!
>
>- -Bud

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 06:33:33 GMT
From: cdailey

newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oh man, I am back (noisy engine), FTDV3 #35

>Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:45:37 -0600
>From: wiregoat

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