61-79-list-digest Monday, February 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 034



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series
FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise
FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise2
FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?
FTE 61-79 - 63 f-100 , new to list
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?
FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
FTE 61-79 - Dead Battery
Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's
FTE 61-79 - Mac's ?
FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 stuff

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 06:47:15 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series

Thom B. Wrote:

>>Tune-up Guide for Pick-ups and a 1980 Mitchell Flat Rate/Parts Manual. Both
>>references have the engine code as "J" Why don't some of the 73-79 "Factory
>>installed" 460 owners out there check your engine vin code to see if this
>>adds up.

Norm writes:

within



The engine designation is fourth letter in the VIN number (Serial number).
If these sources check out a factory installed 460 should be a J code engine.

To Darrell who also posted regarding the parts suppliers:

Your suggestion on using the parts houses for info is a good rule of thumb.
I also checked another source I have called "Truck Repair Manual" published by
Motor in 1977. It has a 460 listed for the Ford F-Series starting in 1974 but
not 73 as the other ones did. Here is little observation I'd like to make
about sources: There really is only one true source here and that is whatever
Ford did on the factory line. Their official publications should reflect
which engines were installed, etc. The rest of the publications gather their
info from Ford books, other second-hand sources, or who knows where. The
result can be incorrect information and there you are. I have seen numerous
discrepancies between various so-called "sources"

I think the whole reason for this thread was to identify which trucks might
make good donor candidates for mounts and related items when doing a 460 swap.
Therefore, it would be nice to identify each year and model which have these J
code 460's installed.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 07:53:30 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise

If your u-joints are OK, check your driveshaft and wheels to see if any
weights have fallen off. You mention movement in the front of your
driveline, it's just a thought, there's a bushing in the tailshaft of
your tranny. When it get's worn out it can mimic a loose u-joint.

I'd still suspect the hanger bearing, you haven't mentioned if you have
one. I put two in my '67 F100 plus the sleeve in the tailshaft once,
over the 10 years I drove it. I also had the driveshaft balanced. I
greased the hanger bearing slip yoke every six weeks when I did the king
pins and all the other zerks. I still had a little bit of vibration no
matter what I did. It wasn't much, and as it came time to replace the
hanger it got worse, but it was always there.



> Please, please, please tell me that I'm wrong ...
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 08:03:23 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise2

One way you can see if it's the rear end is, have someone drive the
truck while you ride in the back and listen through the bed floor. If
it's the rear end you'll hear some growling and clunking under certain
conditions, and the vibration will usually manifest itself close enough
to it's source to be able to tell.

Your truck has a Dana 60 right? They aren't known troublemakers, so the
rear end would be the last thing in line I'd suspect(but it's still a
possibility if it's done a lot of hard work at any time in the past),
especially if it's not doing anything else.
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:58:06 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?

Hey Guys,
Duh, uh, when i put the new oil pump and pickup on my 460, uh, i forgot to
prime it. Is there anyway to do this , without taking the pan back off.
Thanks, the absent minded mechanic
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:05:19 -0500
From: "stevegoins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 63 f-100 , new to list

I have been reading this list for a few weeks now and really enjoy,have also
learned a lot. Ihave a 63 F-100 that was originally my grandfathers truck.
It has been reasonably well maintained except it has been sitting for the
last 8 years. Yesterday i replaced starter,new battery,changed fluids,
drained fuel system/refilled, and it fired right up! It is a Ford after all
!

63 F-100/ I-6 (240 or 262 ? Not quite sure ) / 3 on the tree manual /
Standard side short bed.

I plan to restore to as close to stock as possible ( Needs a lot of cosmetic
TLC and a paint job). Am badly in need of a shop manual and have been unable
to locate one specific to 63. Any help would be appreciated.

63 seems to be an off year for info or parts from the browsing I've done. Do
61-65 parts match up? What changes were made in these model years?? What
parts/accessories are model specific ??

Would also appreciate any help , suggestions, tips ,etc. from members who
have done similar restorations.
I have experience restoring vintage motorcycles but this is my first truck .
you can repond direct e-mail. I also have pictures availiable if
interested. Iwill be documenting this entire process from the beginning.

Thanks in advance to all.

SKID (nickname from old motorcycle adventure}








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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:15:35 -0500
From: "Norm or Tracie Tischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?

Hey Guys,
Duh, uh, when i put the new oil pump and pickup on my 460, uh, i forgot
to
prime it. Is there anyway to do this , without taking the pan back off.
Thanks, the absent minded mechanic

I manged to forget this myself once....What I did is use a drill and a "pre
oiler" and just spun the pump a bit....with the pan full of oil it primed up
rather quickly this way....not sure this is the "correct" way but it worked
for me!!


Norm

ntbdra jvlnet.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 12:36:48 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 oil pump prime?

I had to do that once too, just take out the distributer and get a long
extention with a socket on the end that will fit the oil pump shaft,
then by hand or power, whatever, spin it some..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

61>Hey Guys,
61> Duh, uh, when i put the new oil pump and pickup on my 460, uh, i forgot
61>prime it. Is there anyway to do this , without taking the pan back off.
61>Thanks, the absent minded mechanic
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 15:36:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

FTE Web site updates:

- - Several new trucks added to the pictorial (over 370 trucks
now featured)

- - Links updated

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 17:52:58 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

I've been gone and missed most of this thread so maybe I'm rehashing old
materiel, and maybe I'm dating myself as an oldtimer, but, I remember in
the 60's car dealerships were a little different than now. The last time I
even thought about a new truck I wrote up my list of what I wanted and went
to the dealership, the salesman took one look and tried to sell me
something "close", then he wanted me to sit around while he called every
dealer in the U.S. and Canada while he tried to get "closer". I walked out.
I was born and raised in the South Texas oilfields and people wanted tough
pick-ups that could handle the roads (often trails) that tractor trailers
left behind. When you went to buy a new truck, if you didn't see what you
wanted the saleman would sit down, you'd go over the complete list of
options and acessories and order the truck from the factory exactly the way
you wanted it.
I guess the point behind all this is, the 385 series (429 and 460) were
introduced around 1968, I wouldn't be surprised to see a factory 460 in any
pick-up after that date regardless of what was advertised.


Stoney

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 19:21:25 -0500
From: "Bob"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dead Battery

Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:51:23 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - daed battery

snip
>Do it in the dark if you can't
>be sure. If you are getting a spark with everything in the vehicle off,
then
>you have a problem. Isolate it by disconnecting things one at a time
until you
>do not get a spark when the last cable touches the post to the battery.
Start
>the isolation process by disconnecting the last things that have been
added to
>your truck.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
Been there done that....imagine my stupidity when I discovered the 'spark"
was caused by the underhood light duh!!! & I'm bald, not even blond!!!!

Bob

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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 18:19:00 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Factory Installed 460's

>I've been gone and missed most of this thread so maybe I'm rehashing old
>materiel, and maybe I'm dating myself as an oldtimer, but, I remember in
>the 60's car dealerships were a little different than now. The last time I
>even thought about a new truck I wrote up my list of what I wanted and went
>to the dealership, the salesman took one look and tried to sell me
>something "close", then he wanted me to sit around while he called every
>dealer in the U.S. and Canada while he tried to get "closer". I walked out.
>I was born and raised in the South Texas oilfields and people wanted tough
>pick-ups that could handle the roads (often trails) that tractor trailers
>left behind. When you went to buy a new truck, if you didn't see what you
>wanted the saleman would sit down, you'd go over the complete list of
>options and acessories and order the truck from the factory exactly the way
>you wanted it.
>I guess the point behind all this is, the 385 series (429 and 460) were
>introduced around 1968, I wouldn't be surprised to see a factory 460 in any
>pick-up after that date regardless of what was advertised.

I vaguely remember those days being a 1966 model myself, but, according to
The VIN number ID guide for trucks thru
1972, The 385 series motors were never and option. Course that is not to
say they didn't build one with a 385 series before
1973, just that they have none listed in decoding books or shop manuals
prior to 73 that I have personally seen.
BTW- We are talking F-series and *not* Rancheros here too.

Truck options from 67 thru 72 are as follows, I may have missed one, go
easy on me.

240 6 bangers (severe asthma) joke!!!
300 six bangers (ashtmatic engines aren't they Tony?? - for everyone else
I am just kidding!! NO FLAMOLAS!!!)
352 thru 1967
360 from 1968 thru 1976 or 77
390 from 1968 thru 1976 or 77 I can't ever remember (CRS)
302 in '68 or '69 me thinks _ Joe Shoman has a 68 f-100 4x4 (I think) that
has a 302 that was not an option then, at one time he seemed to believe it
was original although I have never seen a factoy 4x4 with a 302 before the
mid seveties.
Stranger things have happened!!

*Who is to say, Henry and his kids did some bizzare stuff in the 60's and
70's!!!!

Examples I have found on my one owner truck are hard to believe!
The rear pumpkin in my 9 inch was painted red, the yoke was Ford tractor blue.
The transfer case yoke going to the front axle was painted John Deere
green, The output yoke off the tailend of the tranny/transfer case was also
green. Bizzare to say the least. The transfer case and NP435 tranny are
Ford T-Bird/Chrysler red which looks like Chevy (that ws hard to type!)
engine orange.

I am not familiar with engine options after 72!
I will say this, I may be wrong about some of the info above, Ford would do
some of the most
screwed up things way back when it was like Burger King and you could "have
it your way" as Stoney mentioned.

I wish it was like that with engine choices today from the factory.
What I wouldn't do for a 1999 SD 250 4x4 with Dana 60's all around and a
Monster firebreathing 460 and a heavy duty 6 speed manual tranny with vinyl
40-20-40 split seats and no body trim with aluminum rims. They just won't
do it today!! :(
But it would be nice, eh??

>
Stu (IA)
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 22:00:35 -0500
From: dale rimkunas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mac's ?

Hey Guys!
A while back someone asked about a reliable source for steering box
rebuilds and got no response. I would like to second that request. I've
seen a few listed in Hemming's, but would like to see if anyone has had any
experience, good or bad with any company in particular. I think this is one
thing in my loving restoration of my '65 that I am most looking forward to
when all is done...Driving down the road and actually have the wheels
respond to my loving caress of the steering wheel.

Dale Rimkunas
In Ford We Trust


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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 21:13:41 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 stuff

I went and looked at that 75 F250 4x4 this weekend. The body isn't
nearly as bad as I was expecting for a $400 truck. The bed is actually
sturdy enough to be usable. It's got full time 4WD, so I'm assuming
it's got an NP203 T/C?? The 460 started up and ran just fine, but I
couldn't take it for a spin because it has no brakes. It's also got
AC, but the owner never hooked up the belt to the compressor because he
only used it for plowing snow, so I don't know if it works. The
radiator in it is absolutly HUGE compared to the one in my Bronco. The
shift lever is broken off of the steering column, so the guy attached a
coat hanger to the shift lever on the C6 and ran it straight through the
floor board.

Now I have a duluge of questions so please bear with me.

The dash has an idiot light that says "Low fuel economy" and I jokingly
said to my buddy that it should probably be on all the time, but what
what is this light actually supposed to indicate? What triggers it?

According to the VIN number, the 460 in it is stock. If this is the
stock engine, is there anything inherantly not desirable about a 75?

Are the 75 engine mount stanchions the same as a 78 Bronco's, so
that I could just swap the 460 into my Bronco, and the Bronco's 351M
back to the F250 without having to get 3rd party engine mounts?

Will the radiators swap between the two vehicles without any hassles?

I would love to swap the A/C into my bronco, and I'm curious how
difficult it would be to swap dashes since the 75's has the vents for
the AC. Is it welded in or can it be removed fairly easily? Other then
cutting a big hole in the firewall, the rest of the swap looks pretty
easy, and I have a buddy who's a certified AC tech that can help me out
with getting it to work once everything's in place.

The hood ornament says Explorer. Was there anything substantial about
this package, or was it just trim stuff?

The truck was sitting on uneven ground, the bed was filled with
firewood, and it also had a flat tire, so I couldn't tell if it sat
level or not. It's got the factory blocks in back that look to be about
4 inches, and the front springs are totally flat, with no arch at all.
Are they supposed to be like this? The reason I ask is that there's
only about an inch of room, before the axle hits the rubber stop. Is
this normal or are they sagging?

I'm sure I'll think of more questions as soon as I hit send, but this
will do for now.

Mike
78 Bronco Custom
Soon to have 75 F250 4x4!!
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Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 20:30:08 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 75 F250 4x4 stuff

Re: "Low Fuel Economy" light, its just hooked to a vacuum source.
When you put the pedal to the metal it comes on. Those devises were....


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