61-79-list-digest Sunday, January 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 033



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
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In this issue:

re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Battery TOO live
FTE 61-79 - bad driveline?
FTE 61-79 - tranny coolers
FTE 61-79 - To Azle
FTE 61-79 - Tire Jack for a 66 F100
FTE 61-79 - 1966 Power Steering Pump Brackets
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Jack for a 66 F100
FTE 61-79 - RE: 65 pickup matchbox
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Power Steering Pump Brackets
FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series
FTE 61-79 - 302 carb problems
FTE 61-79 - 1964 Ranchero For Sale
FTE 61-79 - Driveline Diagnosis 101
Re: FTE 61-79 - Political Rant!
FTE 61-79 - Synth Info
FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise
FTE 61-79 - Broken Bolts.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 07:45:37 EST
From: "bill comstock"
Subject: re: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise?

Hmmm, sounds like 'ghost' i had for longest time, turned out to be lost
balance weight on driveshaft. Took a couple of busted universals to
find it.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:38:34 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Battery TOO live

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:13:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Battery TOO live

Pat Brown (with tongue in cheek) replied:Jim asks:

>Your in luck, Jim. This weekend just happens to be - a blue moon. In fact,
your so lucky, there's another in >March:-)

No Pat. Only in CA. Despite the efforts of SCAQMD, your air is what makes
YOUR moon appear blue.

>Well, since you've done the obvious (regulator(s)), have you had your
battery checked out (load tested).
>Maybe you have a marginal cell.

No, I have not

>Do you have a battery isolator(two batteries)?

No, well, at least not intentionally.

>Alternators put out current, voltage is developed across the load. In our
case, primarily the battery. So, it
>seems that your regulator is increasing the current output from the
alternator until it sees the correct voltage at
>the load.

I gather you are saying that a low cell possibly "fools" the v.reg. (solid
state) into upping voltage.

>Now, I know you just rewired, and you didn't use Stu's directions (he
lied), but are all the high current
> connections good? There needs to be a very good connection between the BAT
terminal and the battery,
>and the battery and A+ terminal at the regulator. Also, the regulator,
alternator, and battery grounds.

Check and Check.

>Check out Steve's wiring diagram at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/truck/fordchrg.jpg Notice the big, fat wire
>from the BAT term to the battery. Also, notice where the A+ wire connects
in at battery itself, if it's hooked to
>the wrong side of the shunt you could have problems. Oh yea, Steve lied
too. In our trucks with the (mostly
>inoperable) ammeter, the 'I' terminal at the regulator isn't used, and the
'S' term goes somewhere that
> escapes me sitting here at
k:-(

Will check it again.
Note:
1. positioning of wires to shunt on a single post connection will make the difference of whether the ammeter works or not, as I found at connection at starter solenoid. I have a
theory that in original factory form, there was some special, subtle,
washer/bushing arrangement there that kept the shunt in specific
orientation. As our trucks age, how many of these connections have truly
never been touched? Hence things change, connection pattern not EXACTLY the
same, and everything works but the ammeter. When I redid mine, the ammeter
miraculously started working again, no other changes. Since then it has
quit, and I have not had time to research it, but bet I will find the key in
that connection.

2. Connecting the S terminal is what fried part of my wiring harness, so
would you care to know where I suggest you connect the S?

Jim E.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:59:55 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - bad driveline?

Dr. Hess,

The first thing I would check is your tires, regardless of how old/new they
are.

You can check for the u-joint by driving with your window down (radio off)
along a street with a curb and few parked cars. Every time you go through
an intersection, the noise will fade. The most often heard description of
bad u-joints is tin cans rattling underneath. If it is a u-joint, replace
all of them in the drive shaft. When one dies, the others usually aren't
far behind.

- -John

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:07:26 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tranny coolers

I saw John's post on this and it reminded me that there are thermostats
available to go in an external oil cooling system. I will be installing one (I
got it from Jeg's) along with external engine oil cooler for me FE...the
thermostat won't allow flow to the cooler until a certain temperature (sorry,
don't have any particulars here)....it should ensure that it doesn't get TOO
cool (after things have warmed up)....I imagine it would work for a tranny
cooling system as well....

CJ (Colorado Jeff)
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 08:34:19 -0700 (MST)
From: dsy_cby webtv.net (Tarry Harper)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - To Azle

Just to let you know. There is a small town just west of Ft. Worth, TX
named after you.:) I grew up there.

Tarry

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:22:36 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tire Jack for a 66 F100

Hi FTE,
I have a 66 F100 and the tire jack is missing. Were was it stored on the
vehicle and what years would have the same jack and handle?
Tim
66 F100 w/352
3 on the tree w/O.D.
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:29:56 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Power Steering Pump Brackets

Hi FTE,
Looking for the power steering adjusting bracket and support for the pump
for a 66 F100. Anything from 66 thru 69 will work. Also, someone posted
the E-mail address for salvage yards a while back. I lost it. Can someone
give it to me again?
Thanx,
Tim
F100 & 352 V8
3 speed manual w/OD
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:16:50 -0600
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tire Jack for a 66 F100

Hey O'Connor,

I've got a 71 F250 and the jack is a mechanical screw type stored under
the hood upper front and left. The handle and lug wrench are stored under
and behind the seat. Don't know if they were the same in 66.

O.T. Johnson

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From: O'Connor
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Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tire Jack for a 66 F100


>Hi FTE,
>I have a 66 F100 and the tire jack is missing. Were was it stored on the
>vehicle and what years would have the same jack and handle?
> Tim
>66 F100 w/352
>3 on the tree w/O.D.
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:18:50 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 65 pickup matchbox

> Well for all you collectors...Motor trend and racing champions
> has released a 1965 Ford f-100 matchbox(only 9,999) are being made
> I found mine here in Pennsylvania at a Target(like a wal-mart) type
> store....If anybody needs one and would like me to pick one up for
> you email me and we can work something out..And now if they would only
> come out with a 67-72 truck :) Joe 68 4x4

Joe, thanks for the tip. I'll look for one today at Target when I take the
truck out to play. If I don't find one I'll take you up on your offer.
Thanks, Roberta with 1965 custom cab


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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:24:01 -0700
From: "Ed Baker"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 Power Steering Pump Brackets

Hi,

I don't have the email addresses, but you might want to try Walt & Vern's
Pick-Up Parts. They're in Buckley, WA. They have a toll free number 800
742-5871. I know they're open Saturdays because I was just up there last
week. And if they don't have what you're looking for, I think they're
connected nationally so they can help you find one.

Ed


>Hi FTE,
>Looking for the power steering adjusting bracket and support for the pump
>for a 66 F100. Anything from 66 thru 69 will work. Also, someone posted
>the E-mail address for salvage yards a while back. I lost it. Can someone
>give it to me again?
>Thanx,
>Tim
>F100 & 352 V8
>3 speed manual w/OD
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:38:16 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series

William Hart writes:
>>When I went home I grabbed my Ford Truck Red Book which
>>covers through 76 or so and it listed a 460 available in the 2wd. Not
>>sure how common or correct this is, but thought I would put it out there
>>and see if anyone knew of anything to contradict that ...

Azie Writes:






To add to this factory installed 460 debate:

I have found references for a factory installed 460 in both E and F-series
100/350 between 1973-79. These references are found in a Chilton's Repair &
Tune-up Guide for Pick-ups and a 1980 Mitchell Flat Rate/Parts Manual. Both
references have the engine code as "J" Why don't some of the 73-79 "Factory
installed" 460 owners out there check your engine vin code to see if this adds
up.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 4wd
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 13:52:18 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series

I can post my VIN for those who would like to decipher the engine code. But
when I checked it in the decoder, it said 460. I thought it was a 429. One
other way to check is to call your local parts house, and try and get parts.
They have a 460 listed for the F-350 in 74, but not 73. You can also check
the guide for finding your various filters.

Darrell
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:04:51 -0500
From: "Norm or Tracie Tischer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Factory installed 460's for 73-79 Series

Tune-up Guide for Pick-ups and a 1980 Mitchell Flat Rate/Parts Manual. Both
references have the engine code as "J" Why don't some of the 73-79 "Factory
installed" 460 owners out there check your engine vin code to see if this
adds
up.

OK....Which nubers ya want?...I know of at least 5-6 Factory 460 trks within
my circle of friends! They range in years from 74 to 79 in half and 3/4 ton
models, all two wheel drive...Is the info ya want in the vin ? Let me know!!
P.S. I am a new subscriber to the list! I like what I see and have learned
plenty already! Thanks!

Norm


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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 15:33:14 -0500
From: billybobdesade mindspring.com (william coulter)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 carb problems

before you go messing with the adjustments on your carb put a kit in it. i
was having problems with mine, float was filling up, flooding out. had a
kit put in it ( i don't do carbs) and it runs like new. did'nt need to
touch any adjusting screws at all.
billy bob
'73 f-100 302


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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 17:11:38 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1964 Ranchero For Sale

My wife has a nursing friend she works with at the local hospital who owns
a 1964 Ranchero. The lady has seemingly lost interest in this old truck
and and has no where to keep it out of the weather. (she just built a new
house) She wants to get rid of it and from her description, it is extremely
nice. All original & perfect interior and the paint is very very good.
She has mucho documentation and literature to go with it so she atleast is
a closet enthusiast. 8^)

I am getting more info later tonight and I will post on the classified adds
as soon as she gives the gory details, she has no pooter to advertsie on
the net.

The color is cream and red two tone paint and I am waiting on other
specific mechanical details along wiht the VIN to decode
how authentic the truck really is.

Location is Jackson Tenn.

Lemme know off list if anyone is interested and I will get the info from
her to you asap!
This is the only time I will post this to the group, wanted give list
memebrs first dibbs on it before I place on the classified adds.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:17:15 -0800
From: Sean Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Diagnosis 101

I'm back for some help with diagnosis of driveline vibration. Please review my
logic -

Test 1 (suggested by William Hart): Drove truck (F250 w/ C-6) up to ~40mph
when the humming/drumming sound started, and then I shifted into neutral.

*Result: Noise continued
*Conclusion: It's not the engine

Test 2 (suggested by Don Rositch): Crawl under truck and try to wiggle drive
shaft at the end near differential. For this test, the truck was in Park.

*Result: No movement in the driveshaft
*Conclusion: It's not the universal joints (?)

Test 3 (suggested by WH): Put truck in neutral and engage and engage emergency
brake, and then try to wiggle the drive shaft with the wheels stationary.

*Result: Minor movement in the driveshaft (maybe 3 minutes worth), but the
only clunking I heard was at the transmission end of the shaft. However, both
ends of the shaft moved (i.e., both front and back).
*Conclusion: It's the differential (?)

Please, please, please tell me that I'm wrong ...

Dr. Hess

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Mazama Cultural Resource Services (MCRS)
10910 N.E. Knott St.
Portland, Oregon 97220
(503) 261-8591
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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 16:43:06 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Political Rant!

>I hope you all stop and help folks in need,

The road you go down is the same road you must return on.

Andy
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/7464
ICQ# 13179729
70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed


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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:24:29 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Synth Info

This is the home of the synthetic lube info that have been nattering on
about for the last couple of days. I have decided to try the Mobil
Delvac1 5w-40 motor oil (primarily used in diesels, but supposedly works
well in gas burners) in my '65 as soon as I get a chance to change it.
It leaks out of the intake seals anyway, and the front cover seal and
oil pan gasket are relatively new, so I figure why not. I think that
this oil will fit my short trip usage pretty well, since it has better
corrosion inhibiting qualities than other gasoline engine oils.

If the motor oil makes as dramatic a difference as the trans and rear
end lubes do, I'll be very happy with it, though I won't be going
20,000+ miles between changes.

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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:36:09 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveline Demise

I'd check the u-joints and hanger bearing (if you have a two-piece
driveline) first. The rearend will usually growl and a pinion bearing
will usually scrape when they get loose enough to vibrate noticably.
Not always, but in most cases.

> Does this sound like a failing driveline to y'all?
>
> The truck ('69 F250 with a C-6) sounds fine as I accelerate from a stop up to
> about 35-40 mph, but then it starts this humming or drumming sound that seems
> to come from the back of the truck. It seems to change pitch a little as I
> accelerate and de-accelerate, but not dramatically. If I come to a stop and
> start again, the sound is gone until I get to 35-40 mph again.
>
> If it is the driveline, how should I diagnose it?
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