61-79-list-digest Monday, January 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 025



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Looking for Chris w/c-6 and T-case
FTE 61-79 - Re: Starter Relay
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Calling All 1967 Owners
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE's 2nd anniversary
FTE 61-79 - wiring/vacumm diagrams
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives
FTE 61-79 - Second Anniversary congrats.
FTE 61-79 - RE: Calling all 1967 owners
FTE 61-79 - 360 to 390
FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.
FTE 61-79 - FE P/S Bracket
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S Bracket
FTE 61-79 - Transmission Cooler
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.
FTE 61-79 - Political Rant!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 Floor Pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Relay Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil
FTE 61-79 - 400/460 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tranny Lube Debate
Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Starter
FTE 61-79 - 460 engine ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate
FTE 61-79 - 460 Rebuild!
Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate
FTE 61-79 - Info about dip sticks & Hot August Nights
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 engine ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate
Re: FTE 61-79 - Info about dip sticks & Hot August Nights
FTE 61-79 - Reman Parts

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 1998 09:41:35 -0500
From: shoman p3.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for Chris w/c-6 and T-case

Chris,
I was wondering if you still have the C-6 and Transfer case
for sale???If so email me...
Joe
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 07:20:04 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Starter Relay

Marv Miller wrote:
> With those great diagnosis skills, you don't need our help.

Not true. To really figure out how this thing worked I
needed a little more information. Bill and Burt's posts
gave me enough that I was able to decide just how to nail
it down.

The electrical systems on trucks, or any vehicle has
always been a mystery to me. Too many secrets wrapped up
in those harnesses.

Mark in Southwest Washington
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:36:09 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Calling All 1967 Owners

At 04:48 PM 1/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/23/99 4:38:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, TBeeee writes:
>
>> 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>Just so there is no concerns raised as to my last post in regard to
>Privacy---The FTE survey pageorm clearly states "Your name and email address
>will not be given out to anyone" as is consistent with my understanding of the
>FTE site policy in general re: member information. Some interesting data is
>posted there already which I was not aware of...kinda gives you a sense on how
>big the FTE list really is.....and in the spirit of celebratory
>congratulations....thank you to the hosts of this site for the excellent work
>they do.
>
>~~Thom B~~

The only thing we use the email address for is to cross-reference
the survey with the subscriber list to guage how many subscribers
took the survey. In hind-sight, I should have left that question
off because we do a cross-reference very rarely. The problem is
that I wrote the program that sorts the data for output and it
assumes a certain database format. In the future, we hope to have
new survey that will ask many questions about accessories.

Thanks for the kudos,
Ken

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:44:05 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE's 2nd anniversary

At 02:05 AM 1/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>Someone just sent me an email asking me about FTE's 2nd
>>anniversary. The earliest archived email I have is from
>>January 16, 1997
>>first archiving of email so that means our anniversary
>>is on January 2.
>
> Has it been 2 years? Man time flies! Though our members are great, the
>success of FTE is do to your leadership Ken. Thank you bro! You are more
>than just a friend.

Feeling is mutual.

> I couldn't take not having a garage so I turned on the electricity to
>the garage at the house. They told me I wasn't allowed to use it but I'm
>making the payments so they can tell me what ever they want. I'm using it!
>:) I put a Sony color TV in my truck so now when I'm waiting around for them
>to show up I can watch TV. I'm thinking of installing a second battery in my
>truck. What do I need? If I'm out running around during the Super Bowl, you
>know I'll drain my battery.

Might be time to ask Steve about dual batteries!

> FTE club! And the crowd went wild! (roar) Count me in! I'll help in any
>way I can. I'll even curb my stupid temper. :] In 50 Years for the Ford F-
>Series mag there's an article on a Ford F-series get together that's been
>going on for the past 30 years at the convention center in Visalia,
>California. It doesn't say who puts it on nor gives a date. If anyone knows
>more about this please let us know.

We're really close on the club. I presented another draft of the charter
to a bunch of people yesterday. After a bit of minor editing, we can probably
start the ball rolling this week (I hope... it seems like I keep having
delays in my life). We're setting it up so that officers of FTE will **not**
be able sit on the club steering committee. The club will fall under the
FTE "umbrella" for corporate liability protection and also the ability to
use the FTE name but will maintain independance through its own charter,
steering committe and bank accounts. Its a fair compromise (IMHO).

The charter is real similar to the one presented in the fall except for
provisions to insure a seperation of powers between FTE and AFTE (Association
of Ford Truck Enthusiasts). Local chapters are also including in the
Charter.

Later,
Ken

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 10:13:03 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wiring/vacumm diagrams

I've seen several requests from people for wiring/vacuum diagrams.

Since this group is the only reason my truck runs now after dropping
a new engine in it, I'm willing to help in this area.

The local library here in Mesa, AZ. has an excellent auto ref.
section. If anyone is unable to get this kind of info. locally
I'd be happy to trot down to the library and get you the diagram you
need.
I know what a hassle it is to not have this info. and your Chilton's
type books usually are pretty weak in this area.

Feel free to email me with your requests and I'll try to help.

Again, my thanks to Ken for all his work on this site and to all
the people in the list. A friendlier more helpful group can't possibly
exist. Special thanks to Stu for the emissions sticker.

John
'67 F-100 360
djspaints earthlink.net
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:59:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives

November and December list archives are now on the website.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:48:31 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Second Anniversary congrats.

Hey Ken,
Just thought I'd throw in my congratulations and
appreciation for your two years of effort and
excellence in creating and maintaining the best
site around. Also, thanks to all of you fellow =

FTE folks who make this so informative and so
much fun. I'm looking forward to the club too.
Way to go everyone! =


Tim in Anchorage
67' F-100 ( it's Y2K compliant!)
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:58:59 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Calling all 1967 owners

Thom,
You can count me among the many who are
proud owners of a 1967 Ford truck. Yep, it's
green too, but according to the vin decoder
I used, it's "Lunar Green" with a white roof.
Funny, I always thought it was turquois.
Hmmm... . Who can know the mind of Ford?

Tim in Anchorage
67' F-100 (its Y2K compliant!) =

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:50:52 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 390

To change to a 390, you'll need a 390 crank and a set of 390 rods. The
360 rods are weak and skinny and may, since the stroke is the same as a
352, be longer (6.54 for the 352 rod, and 6.488 for the 390) I'm
inclined to think that the rods are different lengths since I've seen
the same piston listed for both.

As for cam, there are many RV grinds that will do well.

>
> The engine is a 360, but while I'm going to the trouble of rebuilding it,
> I'm going to build it as a 390. What different parts will I need to do
> this? Where would I get them?
> The engine originally had a 4speed , will I need a different flywheel or
> anything else to use my c6 auto?
> what kind of camshaft should I use, I don't want a racecar, but I do like
> power?
> Are there any special rebuilding tips for "FE"s you could share with me?
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 16:17:12 -0800
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.

Hello All,
I have a 66' f100. The original owner added an automatic transmission
but kept the standard shift column. It works ok, but won't go into low
gear. I've read about people switching the steering box and adding
power steering. My question is, will just the automatic column and
shifter from a 70-79 pickup, bolt into mine? I'm having trouble finding

an original 66 column for an automatic transmission. Any info is much
appreciated.



Bill



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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:23:14 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S Bracket

Does anyone have a spare power steering bracket for an FE? I'm looking for the
two-piece style where the pump bolts up to the bracket, and there are three
"vertical" bolts that slide in slots. The belt is then tightened by turning an
adjusting bolt and then held in place by tightening these three bolts.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:43:28 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S Bracket

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone have a spare power steering bracket for an FE? I'm looking for the
> two-piece style where the pump bolts up to the bracket, and there are three
> "vertical" bolts that slide in slots. The belt is then tightened by turning an
> adjusting bolt and then held in place by tightening these three bolts.
>
> Colorado Jeff

The all famous truck brackets. I found mine at the get your own parts place.
Easily found on the 360's of the early 70's.

Since we are in the bracket mood. Does anyone have the dual alternator bracket
for the FE? I have been having a devil of a time finding one. I think they were
on 1 tons and larger with some kind of special option.

Thanks

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 17:58:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission Cooler

I need some transmission cooling/engine cooling info, don't think it'll be
too difficult. Anyway, I have a 79 F150 460 4x4 with a 3 spd C-6. My
tranny fluid keep getting REAL hot, and burning up, breaking seals. The
tranny coller seems to be hooked up - 2 lines come from it to the middle
of the bellhousing. Could it be faulty? Or is it attatched wrong?

My other question is about the radiator, which I just had recoinditioned.
It doesn't seem to want to cool very well, sometimes it does, others it
doesn't. Could it be that my ignition and timing are off so bad that it
cools bad too? Or is it the pressure cap? I have a new water pump on
it, and the hoses are fine. Also, the two fittings at the bottom of the
radiator, what are they for?


Thanks for any help,

-Justin Farcas
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:01:50 -0500
From: "Ted and Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 390

- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 4:51 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 to 390


>To change to a 390, you'll need a 390 crank and a set of 390 rods. The
>360 rods are weak and skinny and may, since the stroke is the same as a
>352, be longer (6.54 for the 352 rod, and 6.488 for the 390) I'm
>inclined to think that the rods are different lengths since I've seen
>the same piston listed for both.
>
>As for cam, there are many RV grinds that will do well.
>
___________
I believe the pistons are different as well. I think you can use a 390
piston in a 360, but not the other way around. A 360 piston will not clear
the throw of a 390 crank. Your dead on with the connecting rod lengths.

Later,

- -Ted


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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:51:39 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.

I want to convert my '65 to PS and auto tranny.
So I am facing the same dilema.
I'll let you know what I find out, and you can let me know what you learn if
you do it first!
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill
To: 61-79-list-digest
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 2:16 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.


>Hello All,
>I have a 66' f100. The original owner added an automatic transmission
>but kept the standard shift column. It works ok, but won't go into low
>gear. I've read about people switching the steering box and adding
>power steering. My question is, will just the automatic column and
>shifter from a 70-79 pickup, bolt into mine? I'm having trouble finding
>
>an original 66 column for an automatic transmission. Any info is much
>appreciated.
>
>
>
>Bill
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:52:55 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Political Rant!

Well folks I have to share something that really burns me up. While heading
back into town in my F-600 I spotted a small truck that had just caught fire.
The owner was desperately throwing his belongings out onto the shoulder as on
lookers stood back and watched. The first thing I did was get my Fire
Extinguisher out and tried to douse the flames, when that didn't work I
grabbed my shovel and proceeded to dig one heck of a hole on the side of the
road trying to snuff the fire, or at least keep it contained to the bed of the
truck. The owner and I shoveled dirt for what seemed like an eternity until
the tank blew, and after that all we could do was stand back and watch. This
whole event lasted almost 30 min, and in that time only 2 other folks stopped
to help. One was a corrections officer, who called the FD, and one was a
gentleman in a 99 Super Duty who unfortunately had a bad extinguisher. Now
just so you know, this was on I-15 so there was plenty of traffic, some
honking, and I think even one %^ $%& took photos. What is this world coming
to when making good time is more important than helping someone in need? More
truckers (which by law have extinguishers) passed by without even glancing in
our direction. It really makes one think as to what would happen if this were
you. I ALWAYS offer assistance because no vehicle is fool proof, and you're
bound to need help sooner or later. When all was said and done, I wished the
owner my heartfelt apologies, better luck, shook his hand and left. I didn't
care that I have to pay to refill my extinguisher, or that because of this I
was late to my next job. All I wanted to do was help this poor guy save some
of his stuff. I'm sorry to rant like this, but if just one more good
extinguisher had shown up, he probably could've drivin the truck away. But
now its a total. I hope you all stop and help folks in need, and I know a lot
of you do, Deacon knows this all to well. I wish I could've contributed to
that fund, but money is way tight over here right now. I know you cant help
everybody, but c'mon folks, is 10 min of time really gonna be the end of the
world??????

Sorry to take up your time. See yall out there.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:08:20 EST
From: Sldrfld aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 Floor Pan

I am starting the long and hard job of restoring a 64 F250 back to life (by
the way it runs It has a y block 292). The truck only has 126K miles on it.
I have only one bad body part to buy/find and it is the floor pan. Does
anyone know of an after-market manufacture were I can buy the floor pan. The
two cab to frame braces are the only parts to the floor pan that are rusted.
I would like to cut the floor pan out and replace it, but if I have to
manufacture these braces and weld back to the original floor pan I will. Can
anyone help...
Kevin
Virginia Beach Va.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:03:20 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter Relay Question

In a message dated 1/22/99 11:54:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, wish iastate.edu
writes:


side is connected to the correct post (if its left normally, it would be
right upside down ?), then everything will work fine ? So the big terminals
really don't matter do they, they just pass the current from the battery to
the starter (large current) when the solenoid activated ?
>>
Sorry, I was away a couple of days. If you did not have worry about the
ballast by-pass, you are exactly right. But, if you have points then it does
matter which large terminal is connected to what. If the starter terminal is
connected to the battery then the by-pass will always be by-passed.
Burt Hill Kennewick, Wa 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:50:37 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil

In a message dated 1/22/99 12:27:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlagrone ford-
trucks.com writes:


I am not in anyway saying don't use synthetics nor trying to discredit the
results, I just felt a different view was in order.
>>
Good point, I agree. I am one of the pro synthetic guys, but you should know
that the new API ratings of the petroleum oil require that oil to be very,
very, good. Not only that but if you change your oil frequently and keep your
air and oil filters clean. Most engines will run well beyond 100K and not use
any oil. And as I have said before you need to be prudent where you use
synthetics. You will not start a war with me.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:04:59 -0500
From: "Brook and Katie Bearden"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400/460 swap

Oops! Sorry, I could have sworn that I read in Ganahl or Monroe or some
other book that they would not interchange. I went back and looked however
and I could not find it. I always thought that they should interchange but
just thought that I had read different. Bythe way, I am familiar with the
deck heights and by no means was I saying that the 351C and 460 had the same
deck height! I ain't that stupid! Thanks for setting me straight!
Brook

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:10:43 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.

You two can let me know how it went if you do yours before mine. I already
have c6 auto installed in my 66 and am going to put ps and pdb on as soon as
I gather up rest of parts needed.

Phil
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400m
- -----Original Message-----
From: sam weatherby
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.


>I want to convert my '65 to PS and auto tranny.
>So I am facing the same dilema.
>I'll let you know what I find out, and you can let me know what you learn
if
>you do it first!
> -srw
>
>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
>'98 HD FXD Super Glide
>'65 F100
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill
>To: 61-79-list-digest
>Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 2:16 PM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Steering column question.
>
>
>>Hello All,
>>I have a 66' f100. The original owner added an automatic transmission
>>but kept the standard shift column. It works ok, but won't go into low
>>gear. I've read about people switching the steering box and adding
>>power steering. My question is, will just the automatic column and
>>shifter from a 70-79 pickup, bolt into mine? I'm having trouble finding
>>
>>an original 66 column for an automatic transmission. Any info is much
>>appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>Bill
>>
>>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:42:01 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

- - We now host the "Snake Oil" article directly after getting
permission from the publisher. This is a good article
dispelling the myths about Slick 50 and other oil treatments.
Go to the main page and click on the misc member contributions
link.

- - 30 new trucks added to the pictorial

- - 5 new links added to links pages

- - New article added to misc section (funny)

- - Event added to events section

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:41:37 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate

In a message dated 1/23/99 6:35:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, varners ten-
nash.ten.k12.tn.us writes:


90 wt gear oil may have the same viscosity - I am not a Chemical
engineer so I won't argue that point. However, here's the poo poo. >>

My point is Ford specified SAE 50 engine oil in their manual trannys. And you
SHOULD use SAE 50 engine oil in those trannys that specify it. But, I know
there are a lot of people running the gear oil if for no other reason than it
made sense at the time to put gear oil in a gear box. Therefore they should
change oil, but do not panic as history has shown generally there are usually
no immediate catastrophic results. It is good to see you expended the effort
to get the right oil, I think you are ahead of the curve. I have found gear
lube in many of my friends trannys and transfer cases. In some cases they had
changed the oil put the gear oil in, with others it was that way when they
bought it. I am willing to bet 10-20 percent of the F series trucks are
incorrectly running gear lube.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:16:21 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tranny Lube Debate

Burt:
I went to the local auto parts store today and tried to find 50 weight
gear lube; only found 50 weight engine oil. Spoke to the counter
person who also owns a 460 in a Ford P/U (73 I think); he was emphatic
that 90 weight was to be used. I said no thanks and came back home
and looked up the spec and again it reads 50 weight oil. So, I'll
return tomorrow and purchase the 50 weight engine oil and replace
whatever is in the tranny. It definately shifts tough in the cold
weather.

Thanks for your input on this topic.

Tim Bowman
Burien, WA
71 F100 4speed
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:21:42 -0800
From: Dale Blanchard
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil

Thuis is a 61 to 79 list, If it lasted this long with dino oil why worry about it
and spend m0ore nm0ney.

SHill48337 aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/22/99 12:27:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlagrone ford-
> trucks.com writes:
>
>
> I am not in anyway saying don't use synthetics nor trying to discredit the
> results, I just felt a different view was in order.
> >>
> Good point, I agree. I am one of the pro synthetic guys, but you should know
> that the new API ratings of the petroleum oil require that oil to be very,
> very, good. Not only that but if you change your oil frequently and keep your
> air and oil filters clean. Most engines will run well beyond 100K and not use
> any oil. And as I have said before you need to be prudent where you use
> synthetics. You will not start a war with me.
> Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:46:09 -0800
From: Dale Blanchard
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate

Real gear oil is hard to get anymore so SAE 50 i OK the difference is gear oil
and hypoid oil. the later has a chemicalce that prevents galling at high loads in
rear ends. the same stuff makes synchro mesh tranys not to work rite. Also screws
up free wheeling clutches.. The limmited slip adivites are to compensate for the
eccess sliperyness of the good oil.( It gets better from now on and never quites).

Back in the late 50's some cars has free wheeling to improove milage but increas
brake ware. The book said gear oil only, but the mech thought GL4 or 5 hypiod was
better, but it prevenst the free wheel rollers from engaging.. 50 years later
motorcycles are having the same problem with syn oil. If it is to lsick it wont
work.
The bottom line is a super slike oil that works, then some one has to put a
friction modifier in it(limited slip ) then some one comes up with an additive
(slick 50 ) to put it back in.
Just use what the factory told you to do. My 26 year old truck is still going on
dyno oil.
My motorcycles are running on syn oil. Yes I fall for that phony garbage too. I
have nefer worn out an engine yet. so why worry.

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 23:50:58 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Starter

Some years of 460's didnt have the selonid on the firewall, and you had to
use the one on the starter. In my truck when I replaced the starter (a '73
linc. cont engine), they gave me a starter with a solenoid on it, but a
special strip of copper or something to bypass it, and you could use the
firewall solenoid..

cannanda;e
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:51 AM 1/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hi, I've got a 76 F250 with a 460 and the starter is going bad. It has a
>solenoid on the fender and on the starter. I'm just curious if I have to buy
>a starter with a solenoid on it or I can just leave the solenoid on the
>starter off. Does anyone know what the purpose of the extra solenoid is?
>
>Brett
>76 F250 4x4 with 38's
>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 20:54:28 -0800
From: "The Zahns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 engine ID

Hello all,
I am planning on installing a 460 in my 71 F350. I purchased one from a
neighbor that was running when he took it out of his truck but it has been
sitting for over 2 years. When I got it on an engine stand and started
removing the plugs I found some rusty water in one of the plugs and most of
the others looked like they had been burning oil and running hot. I started
taking apart the engine and found that the timing chain had about 3/4 inch
of play and there were chain groves in the gears. Upon removing the intake
manifold I found rust in 3 intake ports. the cam looked clean and no flat
spots. when I took off the heads the valves were carbon incrusted and some
surface rust. There was water in 3 cylinders but no rust. Everything was
shinny and no lips on the cylinders. the cam and rod bearings were worn and
10 over.
I plan on taking it to a machine shop and having the entire engine gone
over and would like some advice first. I plan on keeping this truck for a
long time. Maybe my wife will drive me to the cemetery with it. ( haha )
So I want to do it right so I don't have to do it again. I want to know if
I should replace everything or can a salvage some parts without risking
reliability.
I was wondering if there is any way I can find out what year this 460 came
out of by some markings on the block or heads. Or maybe they came off
different engines. There is no I.D. Tag on the intake.
Should I have the crank reground or replace it? I use this truck for work
so I want economy as well as performance when pulling a load up a hill.
What kind of crank should I be using?
I know I need an RV Cam for economy & performance. Is that right? Are
there different kinds of RV cams?
How do I know if I should replace the Pistons? What kind of compression
ratio would I be able to use and still use regular gas? Should I replace
the connecting Rods if I replace the pistons? What kind of rings?
I was thinking about an aluminum intake manifold. Would it work better
than the cast iron one for my use? I use a Motorcraft 4 barrel Wide Bore
Carb and the intakes I see in catalogs say that they don't mount up. Maybe
I could find a conversion plate.
I have heard that the oil pan has to be changed when installing a 460 in
a truck. When I installed a 429 from a Torino Cobra in this same truck the
pan fit ok except the drain plug which was over a cross member. I think
that I could just weld in another plug when the pan is off. Is there a pan
for the 460 going into a 2WD Truck that is different than the one I have?
The one that came on the 460 is all bent up and the dip stick tube has been
replaced with some copper tubing. Can't I just use the dip stick hole in the
timing chain cover?
When I installed the 429 I just re-drilled a set of 390 motor mounts and
used the existing towers from the 300 6 engine. I would like to use a mount
that is made for this conversion. Does anyone know what I can locate an
aftermarket one. The salvage yards around here never have any whenever I
look.
Any other advice you can give me in regard to the swap from your vast
experience and knowledge. I plan on using the power steering pump from the
429 and the alternator. The 460 came with an electronic ignition
distributor ( the wide cap type ) and the 429 has a point type small cap
distributor. Can anyone tell me how to hook up the electronic dist. and
ignition box to my existing wiring.
Sorry about the long list of question.
Thanks for everything in advance,
FredZ




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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:06:46 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate

Burt-

It seems to me that you are restating exactly what I was describing to
begin with- should a person be having hard shifting problems, and should
the synchro's not be meshing correctly such as my tranny was doing, then
they probably have the heavier gear lube instead of the 50W engine oil that
FORD RECCOMENDS. I was bringing this topic up as an acknowledgement of a
problem some may be having with their NP435's as a probable solution.

Burt Wrote:
> So there kid.

Totally uncalled for IMHO. Let's act professional, even us "kids" have
experience in working on trucks. Finding that "equilibrium knowledge"
between "book smarts" and "experience" is what makes a good mechanic
regardless of age. Age does not equal wisdom when senility sets in! 8-)
This is not a flame, just my personal defensive mechanism kickin' in when
attitude is detected where it shouldn't be on an open topic debate group
such as what we have here with FTE. I hope I am not overstepping
boundaries with Ken's job, and I will not do it again.

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:09:27 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Rebuild!

Where to start... Today I took the heads off my truck after truing to
replace the valve seals, and dropping a valve on both heads.. :( Anyways,
I have them off, and was looking a the piston walls. Number 8 is colored
and looks diffrent, so.. I figured its time for a re-build, it has a little
blow-by that comes through the PCV valve, but not a whole lot. Plus the
crank bearings need to be replaced.

Do I need to have to have the cylinders bored if I re-ring it? (number 8
looks somewhat scratched, but I can really tell). I know that you can
re-ring it without doing that, but does it need to be done? If so, about
what is that going to cost me? (on the average)..

Next thing, the crank bearing. If I dont have to have the engine re-done.
Should I get the crank re-ground also?

All in all im trying to fix the engine right, without costing me a
fortune.. Any suggestions??


Thanx,
cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:06:58 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - synthetic oil

when i worked in an automotive machine shop, we had a fellow bring in a
cadillac engine( can't remember year or size, but i think it was abig one) it
had 125,000 miles on it, he said there was nothing wrong with it, he just
figured with that many miles, it must need rebuilding, plus he was going to
paint the car. he swears ir never had anything in it but quaker state (this
was 18 years ago) and i promise you this was the cleanest engine i had ever
seen, the bores were near perfect, the crank just needed polishing, the guides
were ok, it was unbelievable especialy with quakerstates reputation back then.
was it because it was quakerstate or because it was a caddy? the buick engines
we worked on always seemed to be in very good cond. i realize this doesn't
have anything to do with FTE but i think the oil topic is helpful to us all.

jeff grant
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:26:16 -0800
From: Dale Blanchard
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate

Back in the 50's some of the truckers in the hot westers states were useing 50
wt insted of 90/140 because it ran cooler. they had a S&W gage and sender in
the trans and diff. and could tell the difference. Them hypoid aditives only
work as a last ditch in high load conditions. otherwise reg gear oil or motor
oil works. My M-B in 1950 used ATF in the 4 speed box. It seems like any thing
but water will work in a trany.

Tony Marino wrote:

> Burt-
>
> It seems to me that you are restating exactly what I was describing to
> begin with- should a person be having hard shifting problems, and should
> the synchro's not be meshing correctly such as my tranny was doing, then
> they probably have the heavier gear lube instead of the 50W engine oil that
> FORD RECCOMENDS. I was bringing this topic up as an acknowledgement of a
> problem some may be having with their NP435's as a probable solution.
>
> Burt Wrote:
> > So there kid.
>
> Totally uncalled for IMHO. Let's act professional, even us "kids" have
> experience in working on trucks. Finding that "equilibrium knowledge"
> between "book smarts" and "experience" is what makes a good mechanic
> regardless of age. Age does not equal wisdom when senility sets in! 8-)
> This is not a flame, just my personal defensive mechanism kickin' in when
> attitude is detected where it shouldn't be on an open topic debate group
> such as what we have here with FTE. I hope I am not overstepping
> boundaries with Ken's job, and I will not do it again.
>
> Tony
> tony pscico.com
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>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 21:28:49 -0800
From: Art Verling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Info about dip sticks & Hot August Nights

I am rebuilding my 390 and while I was removing the dip stick tube it
broke off about 1.5 inches from the block where there was a strain
relief bend in it. How do I get it out?
Where can I get another?
Any help would be appreciated.
Also have you guys ever been to HOT AUGUSTS NIGHTS in Reno? It is a week
long event that is allot of fun. If you have any interest please feel
free to contact me and I will try to help you with lodging and whatever
else you might need. Check out the web site at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotaugustnights.net/
Art verling
AV ix.netcom.com
Reno, NV
64 F100

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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 00:46:32 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 engine ID

In a message dated 1/24/99 8:54:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
us5zahns earthlink.net writes:


out of by some markings on the block or heads. Or maybe they came off
different engines. There is no I.D. Tag on the intake. >>

Wow, good question. I will try to give you some pointers on determining year
of block and heads. Clean off the machined flat and smooth area on the block
just below the forward most right hand head, next to the water port for the
timing cover. There will be some numbers stamped there. If it is a 70s
engine there will be a single number such as 4 followed by a letter like M
followed by another number such as 12. The 4 means 1974 the M means December
the 12 is the day of the month. M is not the 12th letter of the alphabet, but
because they do not use I it becomes the 12th month. This number is the
Original Factory Assembly Date. Note that the above example would be a 1975
production run. Look on the mid outer section of the heads on the little
ledge just below the valve cover, but above the exhaust ports for the casting
numbers. C8SZ-B, C8VE-E, D0VE-C are from 68-71. D2VE-AA, D3VE-AA, D3VE-A2A,
are from 72-74. D4VE is from 75-80 and possibly higher, my book does not go
past 1980. There are other numbers for Police and SCJ. Your idea for the oil
pan sound good. The cranks on these engines are strong and may be okay as is
or just need .010 ground. I am sure there are others on the list that will
love to answer more of your question.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:02:06 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SAE 50wt. Tanny Lube Debate

In a message dated 1/24/99 9:06:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, tony pscico.com
writes:


> So there kid. >>

No offense taken. My first comments were that 50W and SAE 90 Gear are the
same weight so that fact alone should not be the problem. But the fact that
SAE 90 gear oil attacks the synchro rings, turns them black and makes them
brittle. This could make them sticky and thus hard shifting. (The black not
the brittle) But I seem to recall something about a leak rate and there
should not be any difference between the two. I just through in the part
about my dad because there are many views as you can see and it is hard to say
who is right. Like your humor, keep it up.
Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460.
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 02:20:42 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Info about dip sticks & Hot August Nights

In a message dated 1/24/99 9:32:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, AV ix.netcom.com
writes:

>
Been there the last 2 years, and fully plan on going back this year. I lucked
out the first time, cuz I lived there, and the 2nd time, because I was able to
stay with my old roomie. When the time comes, Maybe we can get together?
Represent FTE on this side of the world.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 01:49:25 -0600
From: ballingr ....

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