61-79-list-digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 204



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison
FTE 61-79 - lost power update
FTE 61-79 - air at last
FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology
Re: FTE 61-79 - cheap paint
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries
FTE 61-79 - air pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ca. Mandatory car crushing??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ca. Mandatory car crushing??
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford distributor interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior
Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - wheel sizes
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough
FTE 61-79 - Computers R Us
Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone?
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - air pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
[none]
FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150
FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...
Re: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150
FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
FTE 61-79 - 1957 For sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap
FTE 61-79 - MPG update
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 04:56:59 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison

I was told by somebody a while back that my '65 T-bird (C4SE)390 intake
is very similar to a 428CJ intake in profile and capacity. I've never
had the two side by side, or taken the measurements.

What I plan to do is build a 390 (wish I had a 410 crank) for my truck
with TRW flat-tops, (9.5-10.0:1 CR) a Lunati 427-425HP blueprint
solid-lifter cam and the early style ('61-'65) heads that I've breathed
on a little. I'd like to use a good iron intake, since there's really
no other application that it wouldn't hurt the handling on. A 428CJ
intake would be nice, but if my T-Bird intake is the same, I'll use it.
I have an Edelbroke Performer 390 also, but I'd really like to make it
all Ford. By my Desktop Dyno cipherin' this should be worth
385HP 5200-5500 and 440 lbs.ft 3500rpm, through headers and mufflers.
The torque should be over 400 lbs.ft. even down to 2000. I love solid
cams, if you had the same profile on a hydraulic, it would be down 30 hp
and 50 lbs ft.

Anyway, does anyone have a 428CJ intake that would mind measuring it a
little bit for me? Specifically, I'd like to know the carb pad hieght,
and port size. The height of each plane at it's highest point could
also be useful. If someone had both and had a picture of the two side
by side, that would help.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:19:55 GMT
From: Brian Vance
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lost power update

As you may remember I had a post a couple weeks ago about having no power
when I get in my truck. No lights, horn, nothing. It wouldn't of course
start either. I could punch the steering wheel or slam the door closed and
sometimes the power comes back on, just like flipping a switch. I suspected
a ground between the engine and frame was bad. Last weekend it did it again
and this time I got out the meter. I had a good ground at the frame. What
should I do next?

Thanks!
Brian
77 F250 4X


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:46:57 -0501
From:
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air at last

>Yo Brian K.! $112 and two hours later I am driving in cool air
>conditioned
>comfort again.

Now if it'll just get hot so that you can use it :-)

BTW did you convert over from the dark side or are you still running
12? Perhaps the $112 was cost of a bottle of 12?

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 FE, 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:42:38 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration

dan & Cheryl Ledford said:
> When refinshing a steering wheel, is some sort of special paint or
> finish used?
> I can't believe even a two part epoxy/clear coat paint job would
> hold up to daily handling. Any comments?
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I refinished my steering wheel with spray cans of Wimbledon White
Duplicolor. It was a perfect match, and has worked well for about 8 months.
I also used about 3 coats of clear. It's a pain to keep a white steering
wheel white under daily use, though.

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:54:57 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.

But is "leaded" fuel still available there? And if not,
>do the cars from the "pre-catalyst" time period have to be fitted with a
cat
>/or cats ? I know here in the U.S. there must be hundreds of thousands,
>maybe millions of cars without cats, running on unleaded. ( Heck, I have 5
>myself ) Leaded fuel, at least in my neck of the woods, is nearly
>impossible to find, and even if you do, it has virtually no lead content.


Yes we still have Leaded fuel, although I have just read that they will be
phasing it out next year (2000) and replacing it (lead) with another
additive. I cant remember what they are calling it. It will retain the same
octane rating apparently.
No cars are not required to have Cat convertors on a non unleaded motor here
in Aust.

> So what I think your saying is that the "unleaded fuel" that
>replaced the "leaded fuel", is MORE dangerous than what it replaced ? And
>doubly so if used in a car "without cats".

Most definitly

Weren't these same chemicals
>found in regular leaded fuel as well ?If the "baked" lead particles are
>rendered inert, then why all the fuss years ago about it's elimination ?
> Why is it every time they replace something for our "own good", it
>ends up being much worse than what it replaced ? ( Leaded fuel, R-12, Air
>traffic controllers, etc, etc.) Here come the conspiracy
>theories..................

No they are not found in normal leaded fuel, I believe the Green Movement
got onto the band wagon re lead and that was that.
I think anyone with a bit of sense can see that anything that is labelled a
KNOWN cancer causer is more dangerous than non absorbable lead.
But thats only my opinion.

Dave .
Australia.


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:09:01 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-Bird /CJ Intake comparison

>I have an Edelbroke Performer 390 also, but I'd really like to make it
>all Ford.

I understand the feeling here ... the Performer series is the same specs as
the stock manifold anyway isn't it ? Seems like they were bragging
something about it being the same height as stock for low hood clearance
(not a problem on most of these trucks :). I never really saw the
advantage when you throw it on a 4x4 that has all the extra weight of the
front axle and everything.


> By my Desktop Dyno cipherin' this should be worth

I'd love to play with one of these and see what it thought I was gettin for
hp in my 390.


>Anyway, does anyone have a 428CJ intake that would mind measuring it a
>little bit for me? Specifically, I'd like to know the carb pad hieght,
>and port size. The height of each plane at it's highest point could
>also be useful. If someone had both and had a picture of the two side
>by side, that would help.

Sorry, can't help you here, just got the 390 comparo on my rebuild page ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:15:58 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.

>Yes we still have Leaded fuel, although I have just read that they will be
>phasing it out next year (2000) and replacing it (lead) with another
>additive. I cant remember what they are calling it. It will retain the same
>octane rating apparently.

We had some of that "fake leaded" stuff over here for a while, man it
sucked. My truck ran like crap with that stuff ... it wasn't a very high
octane rating, but using the same octane rating with regular gasoline got
me much better mileage. Also something I noticed the other day, always
tune your truck with the type of gas in it that you intend to run! I was
trying some high octane stuff, man my mileage was next to zero ... then I
remembered, tuned it with ethanol in it, put the ethanol back in and the
mileage came back up.

And before you coasters (as in from any of the coasts here in the US) start
whinin about how aweful the ethanol is for the vehicle, I can safely say
I've been using it for the last 9 years or so, and never had a problem I
could attribute to the ethanol. The extra octane has always been a good
thing for my motors, and bein the same price as the 87 stuff has meant it
doesn't cost me any extra to run the higher octane.

> Weren't these same chemicals
>>found in regular leaded fuel as well ?If the "baked" lead particles are
>>rendered inert, then why all the fuss years ago about it's elimination ?

>No they are not found in normal leaded fuel, I believe the Green Movement
>got onto the band wagon re lead and that was that.

So they took out the lead and added other stuff ? Why do I find that hard
to believe ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:17:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology

>>>that way you don't need to
>know that a K10 is the same as a 1500 is the same as an F100 or later F150,
>or F1 ... you just call them all 1/2 tons and everyone knows if you say a
>ford half ton then you mean F100 if its pre 7? and F150 if its post 83 ...
>and either F100 or F150 for the years between ...
>
>wish, is this supposed to simplify things? :-) I think we all know what you
>meant, it's just one of those ideas that is hard to verbalize. :-)
>

Yeah, I was havin trouble with words that day ... well every day actually.

My point was that saying its a half ton is much more generic than trying to
remember a specific model designation, and generally much easier :)


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:19:46 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - cheap paint

>I thought I had told everyone about this trick. My entire truck is painted
>with Krylon from a can, inside and out.
>
Tony, John,

Think you guys could shoot me a quick rundown of how you prepped for this
paint ? A buddy has a Ch*bby trailer ... I guess old Chubbies do have a
use :) .... anyway the paint is shot on it, and hearin you guys have had
good luck, we thought we'd just spray paint it cheap to make it look a bit
better. The neighbors are passing around a petition to get the trailer
moved because they think it looks bad when they pull out of their drive
ways ... turns out the color on it almost matches my truck, so we were
gonna park my truck there for a week and see if they shut up :)


Just my 2cents

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:37:41 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries

>All this emissions talk has me worried about my 'improved' truck. It
>currently has no smog pump, EGR, cat. converters etc. Does anybody know
>what my truck is supposed to have for emissions equipment? It's a
>My reply:
>Brett, Stop worrying and go talk to your inspector. I have a 76 F-150 that
>is equipped the exact same way yours is. It is strongly possible yours is

My '78 bronco/351M even does not have any of that. No cat, no smog pump,
just some vacuum controls on the ignition timing. One more reason to hold
on to it :)
I bought it here in CA but I do think it is originally from out of state.
Smog was a bit of a problem, the previous owner had a bad engine and
donated it to a charitable organisation. They put a new engine and new
tires on it. But since the vehicle was identified as "gross polluter" I had
to take it to a state referee. Hiscomputer said I did need a cat, but the
engine says "Non catalyst". So he looked in his book and it said it does
NOT need a cat. Go figure.. Despite all this I had a blazing 13 ppm HC on
the smog where the max for my vehicle is 350. If you keep your engine
running properly you should not have any trouble passing. If you need
anything else, I'm sure they are willing to tell you in advance.

Bas.


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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:46:22 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air pump

I just picked up a york air compressor, it has the motorcraft tag. I am
using it to build on board air compressor. Everything seems to be working
fine, except that the pulley of both the compressor and the idler seem a
bit noisy. Do these need to be regreased? CAN they be regreased? The idler
seems to be sealed. Does anybody have any experience with this? Did anybody
have the bearings go bad?

Also, I have seen info on webpages on how to interpret york partnumbers in
terms of cilinder bore and stroke. But where do I find this for motorcraft
part no's?

Bas.


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:49:02 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone?

>I recommend propane, propane, propane. I have converted my 74 F-250 4x4
Is this the same as LPG? This is what most people in the netherlands switch
to with american cars, because it is the only way they can afford driving
them. The trouble is that it does not lube the valves and piston as much so
the engine sees an accelerated lifetime.




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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:39:08 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ca. Mandatory car crushing??

>'Official State Smog Stations'. These stations would do full
>dyno tests, and COULD NOT do any repairs. Here in Sonoma
>county, that would mean replacing several hundred smog inspection
>sites with TWO! Along with this, non-compliant cars would be
>labled as gross pollutors, and could be seized and crushed.

!!!!!

The government is really getting carried away with their smog laws, as far
as I'm concerned the air quality (at least here in CA) is just fine. Never
have any problems, even on hot summer days. They want to prevent something
that is not happening. If I read this, maybe in 2007 you will be
assasinated if you fail smog.



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:53:10 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ca. Mandatory car crushing??

>BTW, starting in 2003, all autos/trucks 30 years and older will
>be exempt from smog inspections.

So this is going from 25 to 30 years old? Bummer, I was looking forward not
to have to smog checks anymore on my '78 bronco.

I cannot believe stuff like this has any proponents, other than maybe
owners of smog stations. I wish I was born 20 years earlier..... ohwell,
another 20 years from now we'll run out of oil. I am sure mankind will come
up with a new source of energy, that's much cleaner, quieter, more effient,
more reliable, but no fun at all :(

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:07:08 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

>It's not. They're both considered small blocks.
>>But the 400 and 351M are the exact same blocks. If only the crank is
>>different, why would the 400 be a big block and the 351M small?

Please bear with me, I recently moved here from the netherlands and over
there probably 99% of the cars have small 4 cyl engines, a 100 cid is about
average. I don't even recall seeing a bus with more than a 6cyl engine. So
I was having a little trouble believing even a 400 cid engine is considered
a SMALL block ;-)

Plus, I have seen 460's and they did not appear that much larger than my
351.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:11:15 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford distributor interchange

>>Maybe a stupid question.. but how do I remove the rotor? My manual simply
>The rotor is simply the plastic piece on top of the distributor when you
>pull the cap off ... it should come off fairly easily as it is only plastic
>... if it comes off hard, you might check on getting a new one as they are
>only a few bucks, and be sure you get the right one ... if something has
>smashed into it, it could be off and be tough to get out ...

I know.. everything came apart real easy, except for that damn rotor. A
used-to-be friend of mine replaced it last summer. Hmm.. so what you're
saying is, pull harder and make sure you have a spare. That reminds me of a
little saying I like a lot from time to time: "if it jams, force it. If it
breaks, it needed replacing" ;-))


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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:45:11 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior

>> I just finished installing a new 390 with Holley 1850 4bbl in my 69
F250
>> and I seem to have run into something very strange. I can't seem to get the
>> engine to run at a low idle, and when I put my hand on top of the carb and
>> cut off the air supply, instead of stalling, it revs up real fast like I'm
>> really stepping on the gas real hard or something.
>
>Sounds like it's running real lean. Probably has a vacuum leak, or you
>might have to readjust the idle mixture screws-assuming you've already
>done this.

You may also have some dirt in the carb. I had that a couple of times;
well, once with my truck and twice with my lawn mower :) In both cases they
would run fine on the main jets but as soon as I let off the throttle and
the main jets cut out, they would just die. The cure is simply to push the
dirt through by screwing the screws in all the way and backin them out.
Ohwell, chances are you tried this already.

Did you check the float level?

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:59:15 -0700
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes

>Yes, they do say that and worse. Again, it depends on the inspector. I once
>had a truck to fail because it had a rubber plug on the air cleaner. On some
>models, the PCV vented there, but on my truck it had a spacer between the

Hmm, yeah some people plug the hose so they don't see it. If you make small
mods you can always change it back once every two years. I wonder if they
accept using manifold vacuum instead of ported. My bronco has some sort of
vacuum switch there that doesn't work. I should probably hook it back up
when I go for smog again :)


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:33:06 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

>Plus, I have seen 460's and they did not appear that much larger than my
>351.

Remember its not the external size that matters, its the size of the hole
inside that makes the displacement. The big block vs small block is still
debated sometimes, I think its mostly a bow tie term left over from when
companies only made 2 size engine blocks, big ones and small ones ...

Here on the Ford side its usually safer to refer to it by series ... M, FE,
Windsor, 385 ... etc.


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:39:42 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries

Bas van der Veer wrote:
>
> >All this emissions talk has me worried about my 'improved' truck. It
> >currently has no smog pump, EGR, cat. converters etc. Does anybody know
> >what my truck is supposed to have for emissions equipment? It's a
> >My reply:
> >Brett, Stop worrying and go talk to your inspector. I have a 76 F-150 that
> >is equipped the exact same way yours is. It is strongly possible yours is
>
> My '78 bronco/351M even does not have any of that. No cat, no smog pump,
> just some vacuum controls on the ignition timing. One more reason to hold
> on to it :)

78 federal trucks had EGR also, over 6000 lb GVWR.

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:45:51 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?

well, i have seen both, i have a friend that has a '73 lincoln with a 460
and its on the starter.. where i got my truck, it allready had the 460 in
it, and there wasnt a selonoid on the starter, so... :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 10:49 PM 6/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 6/13/99 7:05:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>cannandale netpointe.com writes:
>
>
> trucks had it on the fender. >>
>
>I'm gonna hafta disagree here bud. My 460 (original to the truck) has the
>solenoid on the fender and on the starter. As far as I know, the solenoid
on
>the starter is for engaging the bendix but I could be wrong. I do know that
>only the 385 series are like this (at least as far as my experience has
>gone), Everything else only has the fender mount. This is a good thing, as
>only a starter mount soleniod can suffer the hot start problems associated
>with headers. But even then, the only real trouble Ive ever had with this
>was on small block bowtoys, errr, I mean bowties.
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:46:21 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - wheel sizes

>Now for another question. My data plate also says that my wheels are 15 X
>5.5K. I know they are 15". Does this mean they are 5.5" wide or is the 5.5K
>some sort of deignation number? Do Ford wheels have the size stamped
>somewhere? TIA.
>
Sometimes you can find this info stamped or cast into the hub area. I
would guess that 5.5" is the width of the rims, seems like my 17's have
17x8K stamped into them as well, and they are 8" wide ... Now that I think
about it, almost all the aluminum rims I've had have the size on them, and
it seems like the "styled" rims I have also have the size ...

Seems like some steel rims I got once had the size in the rim center, a
portion covered up when the tire was on...

If your rims are rusty it may be tough to find, have a wire brush handy ...


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wish

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:48:48 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

>Does any one , or rather can any one tell me how to hook up my fog lights
>so they only work when the headlights are on?
>A wireing diagram would be nice also.
>
Can't help you with the wiring colors or anything, but I myself prefer to
have them come on with the parking lights ... the whole point of fog lights
is that they are a little more shielded than your headlights, this allows
you to see where they are pointing rather than just a wall of light in
front of you.

Wiring them to shut off with high beams on just seems odd to me ... unless
you have charging problems and are trying to save the battery or something,
I can't come up with a reason to shut them off with the high beams. The
"you don't need them" excuse doesn't fly when you're on a gravel road
looking for deer and pot holes at the same time.


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:49:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

>just goes to show you, there is still some neat stuff out there. i'm still
>looking for that 65 shelby sitting in a barn.
>
Aren't we all ?

:)

Let me know if you find it, always glad to hear of another being resurrected.


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:53:54 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough

>I loved reading about these. Bein around Fords all my life, I can think of a
>number of stories. The first clear memories I have are of helping dad build
>his 75 4x4.

Great story ... reminded me of our old 66 we used to have ... 2wd 3/4 ton,
FE and a 4spd. Floating rear axle .. man that truck was interesting. It
had started its life as a red truck, then someone decided it should be
blue, so the exterior was painted blue, this left a red interior and the
inside of the bed was also red. We've got some pics of a very small me
(yes I was short fat and blonde) pretending to drive the truck. Also get
to hear about fallin asleep standing up in the front seat, no pics
fortunately ... no, probably not the safest, but it was the 70s and no one
was getting killed from exploding air bags or crush zones ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:53:18 EDT
From: RJC988 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Computers R Us

Help! I am usually on the pre-61 list, but they can't help me with this
problem. I am putting a 5.0 and AOD out of a 90 Lincoln Town Car. Has anyone
made this kind of swap in a pre-computer truck? Has anyone used the article
from Donald Haulsee that is on the website (or does anyone know how I can
email him)? I hope to be wiring in a few weeks and would love for someone to
electronically "hold my hand".

Thanks for any help,
Glenn in TN
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:29:11 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone?

I don't know what grade of propane is used in the netherlands but in the US
the reverse is true about engine life. The gas burns so clean it doubles the
life of the engine most times. My father was in the gas business over 35 years
and ran the delivery trucks on it and could get over 300000 miles on the
engine's before even thinking about problems. In Texas the state goverment
is requiring a percentage of all state own vehicles to be on LPG because of
the cost savings.

Just my exp.





At 07:49 AM 6/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>I recommend propane, propane, propane. I have converted my 74 F-250 4x4
>Is this the same as LPG? This is what most people in the netherlands switch
>to with american cars, because it is the only way they can afford driving
>them. The trouble is that it does not lube the valves and piston as much so
>the engine sees an accelerated lifetime.
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:40:55 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

>
>Plus, I have seen 460's and they did not appear that much larger than my
>351.
>

Not much difference, that is, until you stick your foot in it, then the
differences become slightly more noticeable!
hehehehe

Stu
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:04:48 -0700
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold

I'm told that the carb flange on the T-bird intakes is at a significantly
different angle and is incompatible with a truck installation. However, I
had been asking about the 3x2 intake.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:05:28 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - air pump

You can get replacement bearings at most any good bearing supply house.
Ford sales the complete clutch only :-(

$15 later and no more grinding from my clutch or idle pully.

Erik Marquez
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From: Bas van der Veer
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 6:26 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air pump


>
>I just picked up a york air compressor, it has the motorcraft tag. I am
>using it to build on board air compressor. Everything seems to be working
>fine, except that the pulley of both the compressor and the idler seem a
>bit noisy. Do these need to be regreased? CAN they be regreased? The idler
>seems to be sealed. Does anybody have any experience with this? Did anybody
>have the bearings go bad?
>
>Also, I have seen info on webpages on how to interpret york partnumbers in
>terms of cilinder bore and stroke. But where do I find this for motorcraft
>part no's?
>
>Bas.
>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:16:43 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold

>I'm told that the carb flange on the T-bird intakes is at a significantly
>different angle and is incompatible with a truck installation. However, I
>had been asking about the 3x2 intake.

I find it hard to believe things would be incompatible with the truck
installation, unless it mounted backwards (distributor and everything on
the other end), or things were really tall for some particular hood scoop
or something ... In the 3x2 system there is one that is "stepped" and
another that is flat ... I still don't think ones incompatible, just
remember that they are different ... the stepped one has them all at
different heights I believe ... been a while since I looked at those,
they're a bit pricey ... did see one once though, original ford piece if I
remember right ... about a thousand bucks for the intake and carbs ? no
air cleaner either ...

Pretty cool stuff, til the gas bill comes if its a daily driver :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:18:45 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold

You should be able to use the T-bird manifold. The carb will site at an angle.
To get around this, most people use a phenolic (spelling?) spacer that has been
machined to offset the angle and let the carb sit straight.

My "6 pack" manifold is straight with no angle and shouldn't have to be modified
at all.

- -Ted





Eric on 06/14/99 12:04:48 PM

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - T-bird manifold




I'm told that the carb flange on the T-bird intakes is at a significantly
different angle and is incompatible with a truck installation. However, I
had been asking about the 3x2 intake.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:28:16 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

William S Hart wrote:

>
>
> Wiring them to shut off with high beams on just seems odd to me ... unless
> you have charging problems and are trying to save the battery or something,
> I can't come up with a reason to shut them off with the high beams. The
> "you don't need them" excuse doesn't fly when you're on a gravel road
> looking for deer and pot holes at the same time.

My Escort GT shuts the fog lights off when the high beams get turned on. I don't think it's to save the battery, but to save oncoming traffic from severe blinding.
If your looking for deer and potholes, the GT has a neat little feature. If you hold the dimmer switch on the turn signal halfway between. EVERYTHING comes on. Makes it nice for those oncoming deer that won't dim their brights : ) .

Ted Wnorowski
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:49:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

> My Escort GT shuts the fog lights off when the high beams get turned on.
>I don't think it's to save the battery, but to save oncoming traffic from
>severe blinding.

Yeah, my GT does this as well, can't stand it ... the lights are bright
enough anyway that the high beams over power the fogs anyway ... I miss
those big Lucas fogs that the 'scort and 'stang GT's used to have, I've got
the tiny little round Cobra ones now :(

> If your looking for deer and potholes, the GT has a neat little feature.
>If you hold the dimmer switch on the turn signal halfway between. EVERYTHING
>comes on. Makes it nice for those oncoming deer that won't dim their brights
>: ) .

Its called flash to pass ... my GT has that if I pull on it, unfortunately
it gets really tiring after a few minutes... the newer cars you push
forward for hi-beams and pull back for flash to pass, not like those old
ones where a good pull did both ... it was kind of entertaining to watch
my g.f's father try and figure out how to get the high beams to stay on on
his new-to-him lincoln :) I suggested pushing but he apparently didn't
hear me as the next day that was the big news in the house was that you had
to push to get them to stay on. Chevy guys, they always have so much to
learn. :) Funny he's a Chevy guy who now owns a Dodge (cummins) and a
Lincoln ... and his daughter has a stang ... wonder if he's seein the Oval
finally :) His son still drives a bow-tie ... give him time though :)


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:03:21 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

Hi again,

Okay, so I've decided I should try and find out just exactly
what kind of emissions equipment this truck would've had on
it (EGR, cats, evap canisters?), but I don't know of a
reliable source. I have a Chilton's manual and a Haynes, but
they're not very helpful, and I've found them to be wrong on
other things.
Does anybody have that info for a '79 F-250 4x4 (build in
Canada, if that matters)? It originally had a 351 in it, but
now has a transplanted 429. I don't know if it makes more
sense to try and work from the 351 info or the info for,
say, a 460. Tranny is a C6.
I can provide the VIN, also, if that helps.

I figure if I can find out what was supposed to be on it,
I'll at least know how far off I am.

Thanks,

Sean


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:11:38 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

I can tell you that my '79 F250 4X4 which came with a 400 has cats, EGR,
evap canister and A.I.R. pump. The cats were removed before I bought it but
everything else is intact. It still passes the sniffer with flying colors.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Sean R. Kerns
To: Ford 61-79 List
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 1:03 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed


>Hi again,
>
>Okay, so I've decided I should try and find out just exactly
>what kind of emissions equipment this truck would've had on
>it (EGR, cats, evap canisters?), but I don't know of a
>reliable source. I have a Chilton's manual and a Haynes, but
>they're not very helpful, and I've found them to be wrong on
>other things.
>Does anybody have that info for a '79 F-250 4x4 (build in
>Canada, if that matters)? It originally had a 351 in it, but
>now has a transplanted 429. I don't know if it makes more
>sense to try and work from the 351 info or the info for,
>say, a 460. Tranny is a C6.
>I can provide the VIN, also, if that helps.
>
>I figure if I can find out what was supposed to be on it,
>I'll at least know how far off I am.



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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:56:09 EDT
From: Lion5859 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

Hey Sean,

First off, you need to find the info for a 429, not a 351 or a 460.
Second, you're going to need all equipment for the year 79 which would
include (EGR, Cats, Air pump, Evap Canister, etc.) that would have been stock
on a 429 to make it legal. The other alternative is to go back to a 351 with
all the right equipment. Currently you won't pass any kind of test with the
setup you have now, take it from a mechanic who knows. If you have any
further questions or quereys....let me know.

Maurice
76 E 250 Club Wagon
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:00:42 PDT
From: Adam Jones
Subject: [none]

Does anyone know if the front group from a 73-77 truck is different from the
front group on a 78 or 79. I am having trouble putting headlights and grill,
etc. on a 78- F-150, the whole truck is 78, except the front group is from a
76. Is it different, especially the radiator/grill mount.
Thanks,
Adam Jones


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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:01:19 PDT
From: Adam Jones
Subject: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150

Does anyone know if the front group from a 73-77 truck is different from the
front group on a 78 or 79. I am having trouble putting headlights and grill,
etc. on a 78- F-150, the whole truck is 78, except the front group is from a
76. Is it different, especially the radiator/grill mount.
Thanks,
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:23:53 -0700
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Reviving a slumbering van...

Hello there! This is my first post, so if I'm doing it wrong, I apologize.

I just got a '77 E150 from the original owner. It is in really nice shape,
but hasn't been driven for about 4 years and hasn't been started in about 2.
What should I do to it besides changing all the filters/fluids before I
attempt to start it?

I got a bunch of receipts for work done. The motor (351W) has about 50,000
miles on it and the trans (C-6) has 40,000. Everything on the brake system
except for the master cylinder maybe was replaced 10,000 miles ago (but that
was EIGHT years ago!).

Once we get it running, then I need to address the item of seats. It is the
extended length van (capable of 3 rows of seats besides driver/passenger)
but was ordered with only the two front seats and one bench. Anyone know
what years will fit and what I'll have to do to make them safe and secure?

How about changing the trans to an AOD for the extra gear? Can I bolt one
in? Do I need a computer to run it? (This would be down the road a bit
unless somehow the trans is bad now...)

I got the van for free, so I don't mind putting a little $ into it.

Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:49:24 -0400
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front groups on a 78-F-150

>Does anyone know if the front group from a 73-77 truck is different from the
>front group on a 78 or 79. I am having trouble putting headlights and grill,
>etc. on a 78- F-150, the whole truck is 78, except the front group is from a
>76. Is it different, especially the radiator/grill mount.

The 78-79 front grills and headlights were totally different than the
73-77. The earlier model had a split-grill kind of setup whereas the 78-79
had the one big plastic grill piece in the middle. The chrome shell for the
whole front end is subsequently different and I would imagine the headlight
brackets would be different since the headlights and turn signals are in
different spots.

The actual rad mount is "probably" the same but the bolt holes for the
headlight brackets and stuff might be in different locations. If they are,
you might be better off trying to find a 78-79 grill. Though good luck
finding a plastic grill piece that is cracked...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 19:21:01 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

My master cylinder likes to leak out the top around the cap. I can tell
when some has leaked out cause my brakes get really crappy til I fill it
back up. I'm just curious if this is the sign of a bad master cylinder or
if I just need to replace that rubber gasket or ?.

Thanks,
Brett
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:01:53 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1957 For sale

There's a nice looking 1957 F-(probably 100)parked along the side of a local
street (Tucson, Arizona) with a for sale sign on it. They don't have the
price posted..just a phone #. It's bright shiny orange and looks in
excellent condition from what I can see driving by. If anyone is interested,
e-mail me privately and I'll try to get more info.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:22:59 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinder

replace the gasket!

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 08:26 PM 6/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>My master cylinder likes to leak out the top around the cap. I can tell
>when some has leaked out cause my brakes get really crappy til I fill it
>back up. I'm just curious if this is the sign of a bad master cylinder or
>if I just need to replace that rubber gasket or ?.
>
>Thanks,
>Brett
>76 F250 4x4
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 04:27:01 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.

> So they took out the lead and added other stuff ? Why do I find that hard
> to believe ?

In the netherlands we phased out leaded fuel awhile ago, they now only
have some substitute. Don't know how it worked because we didn't have a
car.. one interesting thing is that it was 98 octane.

Ba.s

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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:12:37 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

In a message dated 6/14/99 10:32:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yl dds.nl
writes:


>>But the 400 and 351M are the exact same blocks. If only the crank is
>>different, why would the 400 be a big block and the 351M small?

Please bear with me, I recently moved here from the netherlands and over
there probably 99% of the cars have small 4 cyl engines, a 100 cid is about
average. I don't even recall seeing a bus with more than a 6cyl engine. So
I was having a little trouble believing even a 400 cid engine is considered
a SMALL block ;-)

Plus, I have seen 460's and they did not appear that much larger than my
351.
>>
guys 351 winsors are indeed small blocks, but 351Cleveland is a big block,
the 351 and 400 modifieds have the same block (or very similiar) as the
Cleveland, this may be why a 460 doesnt appear much bigger than your 351(if
it is a modified or cleveland),

Ian
79 F-250 4x4 4spd 351W
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:17:37 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emissions - Equipment Info needed

I have an lmc catalog that tells me that cats first were installed on the
f-series in 75, but thats just what it says, thought i'd share,

Ian
79 f-250 4x4 4spd 351W
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 23:48:53 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question

For those of you keeping score.....I am still working on my 240. You
may recall the engine was making an irregular noise when it was revved up.
Based on the sound and where it was emanating from I narrowed it down to the
cam gear. When I disassembled the motor I discovered that the cam gear is
the original 58 tooth fiber and it had very worn teeth (pointy) and a large
crack almost the entire length of the diameter. Its a wonder the truck ran
at all.

This all started when I removed the valve cover a few weeks ago to
paint it and to try to find out what the noise was (suspecting lack of oil on
the upper end). I noticed that only two lifters were pumping oil. The truck
had obviously not been oiling for a while. As a result, several rockers and
their counterpart valve stems have excessive wear. A few are peened or
mushroomed. One has irregular wear best explained as a peak in the middle
across the stem with a valley on each side.

I realize that the easy answer is have the head rebuilt. I'd rather
not spend the money if I don't have to especially since this thing ran
excellent when I pulled it out and because I expect to spend money elsewhere
since I am already leaning toward new rings and bearings. The bearings are
starting to get that nice even copper-look and the lower cylinder walls have
some caked on oil around the piston skirts which suggests blow-by. It also
turns over fairly so I already know compression is not the best.

I'd like some thoughts on whether the valve stems can be safely
dressed without risking loss of hardening etc., etc. Thanks in advance.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:21:12 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

Hate to burst your bubble but the 351M/400 block is bigger than the
Cleveland and weighs more by quite a fair amount and it's STILL considered a
small block. Clevelands aren't even close to being big blocks. The only big
blocks in the trucks applicable to this list are FE (352-428) series and 385
(429/460) series.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: IanBoss69 aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap


>guys 351 winsors are indeed small blocks, but 351Cleveland is a big block,
>the 351 and 400 modifieds have the same block (or very similiar) as the
>Cleveland, this may be why a 460 doesnt appear much bigger than your 351(if
>it is a modified or cleveland),



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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:21:49 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration

i have a friend that professionaly restores mustangs, he refurbishes his own
steering wheels, even the woodgrain ones, he does them for concours
restorations. if some one wants it, i can get his number.

jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:33:01 EDT
From: IanBoss69 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine swap

thats what ive always been told, i know the modifieds are much heavily built
but i thought they were developed from the same block, but thats me, never
said i was right:-)

Ian
79 f250 4x4 4spd 351W
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