Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

61-79-list-digest Monday, June 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 203

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
FTE 61-79 - supercabs
FTE 61-79 - C6 transmission leak
FTE 61-79 - hot starting problems
FTE 61-79 - octane ratings and unleaded gasoline
FTE 61-79 - cheap paint
FTE 61-79 - timing
FTE 61-79 - weight terminology
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Batteries, was hot starting problems
FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5-spd trannies
FTE 61-79 - Rocket Scientist Helps Assemble Ford Truck
FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal
FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:05:34 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

I would have a good guess that it is.
send me your email address to scream

mns dot net dot au if you get the
picture and I will send you what I have.
Regards Dave.

>Is this the reason I always get a headache when washing parts in unleaded
>gasoline, and not with the old leaded fuel.
>I wish I had that report of yours.
>
>Bill

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:15:51 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - supercabs

I think that the first model year for Supercabs was 74, but they were
introduced about May or June of 73, well before the regular model year
change. Everything else at your local dealer would have been a 73. I can see
where the confusion would come in.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:14:51 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hot starting problems

Most of the hot starting problems I have ever run across could be attributed
to a weak battery. A 24 month warranty 525 cold crank amp battery does not
have enough juice for a truck. The shorter the warranty on a battery, the
smaller the plates, the less power it puts out. Regardless of the case size
or brand, go with a 60 month warranty minimun (72 is even better) and at
least 575 cold crank amps (625 or more is better). I have had very good
service with Interstates, EverStarts (WalMart), Diehards, and Champions. I
have had horrible service from whatever I got from HiLo (O'Rielly) and Delco
(duh).

You might try jump starting your truck during a hard start episode. If the
second battery makes no difference, then I would look for a resistance
problem between the battery and the starter or internal starter problems. If
the engine spins up well, then I would invest in a new battery with adequate
cold crank amps.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:16:19 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - timing

The centrifugal advance unit can be adjusted in two ways that I know of. 1.
Change the tension of the springs by stretching them or swapping them. 2.
Change or modify the weights themselves. I've never done either, but have
heard stories. The cetrifugal advance is variable giving you more advance as
the engine revs up. This is accomplished by the weights swinging out more
and more as revs increase. If you want more details, someone else will have
to pick up the thread from here.

Keep in mind that with all of the timing adjustments, if you advance too
far, you can cause engine damage, just as retarding too far can cause
damage. If the charge explodes before the piston is at TDC, the explosion
acts as a brake, fighting the momentum of the engine. If the explosion
occurs after TDC, then power is lost because the gases have already started
to expand. Ideally, the explosion should occur exactly when the piston is at
TDC at maximum compression during the moment when piston travel has stopped
at the top of its stroke. Advancing the ignition timing is likened to
leading a moving target in skeet shooting. In order to keep up with the
mechanical motion of the engine, the ignition system has to fire ahead of
TDC so that the explosion will occur when the piston gets there.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:43:40 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

At 07:26 AM 12/06/99 PDT, you wrote:
>
>I guess i better go see this guy. He plans to put a late model 302 and auto
>trans into it so he can beat it up as a bush truck.. he says it has a
>running 352 and 4 speed in it now.
>
>Don Jones.
>

Not only go see him, but beat some sense into him if you have to. Heck,
I'm sure we'd all practically want to chip in just to ensure this thing
stays FE powered.

marko

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:15:58 -0700
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Batteries, was hot starting problems

I have used Optima batteries in a few vehicles. I have been able to start my
car after leaving the lights on for 6 hours befpre. Started right up o just
like normal...
They are sealed to so they don't encourage your batter try to rust.
-srw

Sam Weatherby SWeatherby

uswest.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy ICQ # 18354914
'70 Mustang Grabber Sportsroof
'65 F100

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:16:29 -0400
From: pdesanto

Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.

not

Dave, I know virtually nothing about emission control standards in
Europe or Australia. But is "leaded" fuel still available there? And if not,
do the cars from the "pre-catalyst" time period have to be fitted with a cat
/or cats ? I know here in the U.S. there must be hundreds of thousands,
maybe millions of cars without cats, running on unleaded. ( Heck, I have 5
myself ) Leaded fuel, at least in my neck of the woods, is nearly
impossible to find, and even if you do, it has virtually no lead content.

dangerous as

such

So what I think your saying is that the "unleaded fuel" that
replaced the "leaded fuel", is MORE dangerous than what it replaced ? And
doubly so if used in a car "without cats". Weren't these same chemicals
found in regular leaded fuel as well ?If the "baked" lead particles are
rendered inert, then why all the fuss years ago about it's elimination ?
Why is it every time they replace something for our "own good", it
ends up being much worse than what it replaced ? ( Leaded fuel, R-12, Air
traffic controllers, etc, etc.) Here come the conspiracy
theories..................

read.

I'd like to see that report. Fire me off a copy if you would please.

Thanx, Phil U.S.A. (and not quite ready to put
cats on my 64 F-100)

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:54:45 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

You know I was going to let this thread die but then I took a little look on
the 'net for some actual science to back up these claims. I found a very
interesting article at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/ulp2.html

I thought "Well maybe there is something to this" then I looked at the
publication it's in:

Welcome to NEXUS Magazine's Home Page.
NEXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the
fields of - Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past;
UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.

Okey dokey, now I got the picture, UFO's and government
cover-ups...yep...the 200 mpg carburetor that GM has been covering up since
the 50s, cars that run on water and little green men. Sorry for the lack of
FTE content but I refuse to associate our trucks with this nonsense.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: David and Cherie
To: 61-79-list

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Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

>I would have a good guess that it is.
>send me your email address to scream

mns dot net dot au if you get the
>picture and I will send you what I have.

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:23:22 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.

Here in Norway they put cadmium in the gas, and sell it as "leaded" or as a
substitute for that gas... the cadmium is supposed to work as the lead.
The old leaded gas is gone, several years ago....

Bill

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> From: pdesanto

Cinergy.com
> To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cat converters ? I'll take a dog then.
> Date: 13. juni 1999 18:16
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> not
converter
>
Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> Dave, I know virtually nothing about emission control standards in
> Europe or Australia. But is "leaded" fuel still available there? And if
not,
> do the cars from the "pre-catalyst" time period have to be fitted with a
cat
> /or cats ? I know here in the U.S. there must be hundreds of thousands,
> maybe millions of cars without cats, running on unleaded. ( Heck, I have
5
> myself ) Leaded fuel, at least in my neck of the woods, is nearly
> impossible to find, and even if you do, it has virtually no lead content.
>
>
>
> dangerous as
>
> such
>
> So what I think your saying is that the "unleaded fuel" that
> replaced the "leaded fuel", is MORE dangerous than what it replaced ? And
> doubly so if used in a car "without cats". Weren't these same chemicals
> found in regular leaded fuel as well ?If the "baked" lead particles are
> rendered inert, then why all the fuss years ago about it's elimination ?
> Why is it every time they replace something for our "own good", it
> ends up being much worse than what it replaced ? ( Leaded fuel, R-12, Air
> traffic controllers, etc, etc.) Here come the conspiracy
> theories..................
>
>
> read.
>
> I'd like to see that report. Fire me off a copy if you would please.
>
> Thanx, Phil U.S.A. (and not quite ready to put
> cats on my 64 F-100)
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:51:23 -0700
From: dan & Cheryl Ledford
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering wheel restoration

When refinshing a steering wheel, is some sort of special paint or
finish used?
I can't believe even a two part epoxy/clear coat paint job would hold up
to
daily handling. Any comments?

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:17:53 EDT
From: DENKC5

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5-spd trannies

Obtuse question for you.

I own a 79' F150 and a 95' F250. The 79' has a 351 Modified engine and the
95' has a 351 Windsor. I know that gearing and fuel injection make a big
difference, but something is over and above that. Can somebody give me the
the net horsepower of each engine?
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:35:16 EDT
From: BDIJXS

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rocket Scientist Helps Assemble Ford Truck

Just another good experience today from being part of this list. Mark Heims
(Montana Mark) is working in Colorado for about six weeks, so he came up to
Boulder from Colorado Springs for the day and helped get this 78 to the 95%
completion point.....

I figured he was qualified since at his job, he maintains Minuteman Missles
(no kidding!).....

He even paid for breakfast! One strike, though, he drove a Dodge Van......

Well, can't hold that against him.

By the way, there was a thread recently about some kind of grafting a Bronco
with a Crewcab or something....Mark happens to know someone in Montana who
has one of these. His e-mail has been out for awhile, so he didn't know
people were asking questions until he said something about it and I
remembered seeing it here. Anyway, if you need more info on it, send Mark and
e-mail at: mheims

cs.net...and he can point the way....

Anyway, thanks for the help Mark, I owe you day's work on my next trip to
Montana....

CJ (Colorado Jeff)

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:35:25 EDT
From: BDIJXS

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal

Hey Ian,

The vinyl paint I used is Dupont....should be pretty easy to find at an
automotive paint supply store....

CJ
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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:12:02 +0000
From: mdennis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?

I am about to start my 79'F150 4x4 460 conversion and need a little help. I
have a set of Hooker super comp engine swap headers but heard somewhere that
they will not fit unless I use Hookers motor mounts. Anyone have any
experience with this? Will it work with L&L motor mounts? Also, can anyone
tell me how to wire the starter since the selenoid is on the starter and the
one on the fender is no longer needed? Thanks in advance for any help. I
have gotten excellent advice from people on the list in the past and just want
to say I really appreciate the time people have taken in the past to help out.
Hope to have pictures posted in a few weeks. Stay tuned. MJ.

79'F150 4x4 SB 351M C6 to 460 Soon
70 Falcon 390
67 Mustang FB in process of restoration
69 Mustang Sports Roof for sale in need of total restoration.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:05:29 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?

the startes on 460 in lincolns had the selonoid on the starter, while the
trucks had it on the fender. if you really want to wire it to the starter,
then you can, but i would just recommend briding the connection labeled
"I", with where the battery hooks up, then you could still use the selonoid
on the fender. if you go out and buy a starter for it, they usally come
with this clip in a package.

if you really want to use the selonoid on the starter, just run the "i" and
"s" the same letters on the starter selonoid. then either run your
charging wire to the battery clamp, or take it down the starter too.

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 09:11 PM 6/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I am about to start my 79'F150 4x4 460 conversion and need a little help. I
>have a set of Hooker super comp engine swap headers but heard somewhere that
>they will not fit unless I use Hookers motor mounts. Anyone have any
>experience with this? Will it work with L&L motor mounts? Also, can anyone
>tell me how to wire the starter since the selenoid is on the starter and the
>one on the fender is no longer needed? Thanks in advance for any help. I
>have gotten excellent advice from people on the list in the past and just
want
>to say I really appreciate the time people have taken in the past to help
out.
> Hope to have pictures posted in a few weeks. Stay tuned. MJ.
>
>79'F150 4x4 SB 351M C6 to 460 Soon
>70 Falcon 390
>67 Mustang FB in process of restoration
>69 Mustang Sports Roof for sale in need of total restoration.
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:43:09 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79'F150 4x4 460 Conversion ?

In a message dated 6/13/99 7:05:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cannandale

netpointe.com writes:

trucks had it on the fender. >>

I'm gonna hafta disagree here bud. My 460 (original to the truck) has the....

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