Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

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Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
FTE 61-79 - Re: Fog lights
FTE 61-79 - LMC Catalog
FTE 61-79 - weight terminology
FTE 61-79 - air at last
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
FTE 61-79 - Re:I KNEW it.
FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping
FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 Transmission Leak
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - 5-spd trannies
FTE 61-79 - Re:[Fog Lights]
FTE 61-79 - Help on heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help on heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping
FTE 61-79 - wholesale parts?
FTE 61-79 - No more emissions worries
FTE 61-79 - Fw: 2v adjustment
Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5-spd trannies

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:32:35 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

You know Marko, I hate it when you rub that engine thingy in there
everytime!!!!
It is bad enough you own a real Merc let alone one equipped with a 428 crank!
aaarrgghh!!!!

nah na nah nanna 8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu

>OK, you have my attention.
>
>Sounds awesome, to have a stock one at that. Just one question though....
>
>Is it running a 410?
>
>
>:^]
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>marko
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:03:45 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: [none]

Does any one , or rather can any one tell me how to hook up my fog lights
so they only work when the headlights are on?
A wireing diagram would be nice also.

"The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four people is
suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best
friends. If they're okay, then it's you."
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 07:26:29 PDT
From: Don Jones
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967,
that may even be a little high. They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand
a better chance of locating a 427 SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in
Dearborn than finding an M-250 4x4 of 67 vintage.
The word jealous is not even close to
my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right
Marko????

I guess i better go see this guy. He plans to put a late model 302 and auto
trans into it so he can beat it up as a bush truck.. he says it has a
running 352 and 4 speed in it now.

Don Jones.

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:32:54 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

> Dave, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The unleaded fuel is
>required BECAUSE of the Catalytic Converters; not the other way around.
>Most engines will run just fine on unleaded. They won't know if there's no
>converter there or not. ( some recent exceptions ) But leaded fuel can ruin
>a Catalytic Converter in short order.
> And secondly. What's so dangerous about "unleaded"
>gas?..........etc, etc?
> Thanx, Phil 64 F-100 /
>63 Galaxie Fstbk.
>
Yes the Cat Converters will quickly block up with lead particles from leaded
fuel.
What I am saying is that an engine that is to be used with unleaded should
under no circumstances be run without a Cat Converter.

Catalytic Converters are the only reason lead was and is being taken out of
petrol, because of that reason.

Unlike leaded fuel which in comparison is not as nearly as dangerous as
unleaded, unleaded fuel contains a great percentage of aromatics such as
dimethyl-benzene, mesitylene, toluenes, xylene and benzene.

Every one of those is a declared carcinogen and will ( thats 'will' not
'might') cause cancer related disease and leukaemia.

Avoid fumes when refuelling and don't allow anyone near the exhaust,
particularly when the system is cold. Cat Converters don't work until they
reach approx 400 degrees.

I have an interesting report on this subject if any body wants a read. i
won't post it to the news group as its a bit big for that but if anybody
wants I will forward a copy direct.
Its changed the way that I think about fuel.

Dave. Australia

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:48:02 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Fog lights

I'd hook em up so they can be switched on at low beam only cause if you can
put high beam on then you don't need fog lights running
just hook em up the same as you would normally but instead of putting your
relay on the high beam circuit, you put it on your low beam circuit.
Dave

>
>Does any one , or rather can any one tell me how to hook up my fog lights
>so they only work when the headlights are on?
>A wireing diagram would be nice also.
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:50:39 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - LMC Catalog

I received a catalog today from LMC Truck in Lenexa, Kansas. I haven't heard
of them before. Their web address for a free catalog is www.lmctruck.com.
Phone is 18002225664. I don't know how I got it as I can't remember
requesting it, but I'm glad it came. The catalogs are separated by year
groups. They have a lot of body and suspension parts, a few accessories, and
some licensed Ford items. (I really like the wrist watches.) Their prices
appear to be similar to JC Whitney, maybe a tad higher.

- -- John
jlagrone

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1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:51:39 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology

>> I can haul over 3000 lbs in the bed, possibly more. (dont know the net
weight) And its still a single wheel. Goin Dually lets me go to 12,000 I
believe.

Darrell, you are 100% correct. But the original question had to do with 1/2
and 3/4 ton terminology, which has to do with what you MAY haul, not what
you CAN haul.

In Texas all trucks are considered to be commercial vehicles. If you are
stopped and found to be over weight, your truck stays there until you off
load enough to be under your licensed limit and you get to pay a nice little
fine, that is, if the trooper is in a good mood.

I always get gross, net, and tare weight mixed up. My license receipt says:
Empty weight = 3800
Carrying capacity = 1000
Gross weight = 4800
Tonnage = 0.50
It also shows the registration class as: Truck less/equal 1 ton.
My data plate says: GVWR = 6050 lbs, front axle = 2980 lbs, rear axle = 3580
lbs. Let's see now, that means the truck can haul 1250 lbs more than
registered for and the axles will handle 6560 lbs which is 560 lbs more than
the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) but that doesn't count the weight of
the axles? Anyway, I think you get the picture. I guess if I wanted to pay
the fees, I could register for 3/4 ton easily, except none of this takes the
springs into account.

Now for another question. My data plate also says that my wheels are 15 X
5.5K. I know they are 15". Does this mean they are 5.5" wide or is the 5.5K
some sort of deignation number? Do Ford wheels have the size stamped
somewhere? TIA.

- -- John
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

>
>Catalytic Converters are the only reason lead was and is being taken out of
>petrol, because of that reason.
>
>Unlike leaded fuel which in comparison is not as nearly as dangerous as
>unleaded, unleaded fuel contains a great percentage of aromatics such as
>dimethyl-benzene, mesitylene, toluenes, xylene and benzene.
>
>Every one of those is a declared carcinogen and will ( thats 'will' not
>'might') cause cancer related disease and leukaemia.
>
>Avoid fumes when refuelling and don't allow anyone near the exhaust,
>particularly when the system is cold. Cat Converters don't work until they
>reach approx 400 degrees.

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:32:53 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

Roger Perry, a proffessor of enviromental control at Londons Imperial
College, has conducted tests which show that unleaded petrol, when used in
cars without catalytic converters(which includes whipper snippers and lawn
mowers and chainsaws etc), produces a great quantity of volatile organic
compounds which can be directly linked to cancer. Recently in Britain, the
Nat Society for clean air has removed all support for unleaded petrol.

Leaded, when lead is burned in a engine, it is subjected to temp of around
2000 to 3000 degrees C so is baked like a brick. When the particles are
emitted from the exhaust they fall to the ground within 10 to 12 feet.

Those baked particles have been tested and it has been found that neither
various acids nor stomache acid has any dissolving action on them. Neither
can they be absorbed into the human lungs, unlike lead dust.

Dave. Australia.

There are
>plenty of non cat vehicles running around on unleaded and I don't think
>they're causing us all to die of cancer.

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:02:27 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:I KNEW it.

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, John Lord wrote:
>
> The only time you ever smell anything bad out of automotive exaust with
> propane is if the idle mixture is off severly. Usually with high milage
> veicles like taxi's. The problem is with the most common brand of
> Propane mixer "Impco", the one moving part seems to wear itself and the
> surrounding area, this causes the system to run rich and the idle screw
> doesnt do anything. The only solution currently is to replace the mixer,
> Luckily being the son of a machinist who loves a challange we are trying
> to solve the problem for all.
> The best company "OHG" never fails over any amount of time, and how
> would you like to rebuild your carb (mixer) and only have to replace one
> simple O ring.

I thought that was a feature of the manner in which the propane is
burned. I once had a propane powered Ch&*y with a 350 and it always
made that smell. Also I have a friend who works for Amerigas and all
the rigs he drives smell like that too. And the grocery store I worked
at had a buffer that smelled like it as well. My dad's pool heater also
smells like that, and when you first fire up a propane grill or stove it
will too. My theory is that it takes a certain temperature to burn up
the odorant. In the water or air cooled engine cylinder, or the pool
heater which has water in it, or the cold kitchen stove or BBQ, the
smell is there. It is kind of a heavy or wet smell, not like raw
propane.

> In California where they have done testing on moving cars most propane
> cars do not register mush if any monoxide as they go by.

My old truck passed its only smog check with flying colors and it had
never been rebuilt ('70 model)

Birken
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:06:57 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, "Brett Yerks" wrote:
>
> I had the opportunity to ramp my truck over Memorial weekend. It's a 76
> F250 with all 1-ton axles and suspension and 38's. I got a 719 going
> forward and 741 reverse. Check it out:
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird/specs/ramp I'm curious if anyone else has
> ramped their truck and what numbers you got.

I ramped my '61 F-100, all stock, and it got a whopping 450. That is
one stiff little bugger!

Birken
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:18:34 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: C-6 Transmission Leak

On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Jerry Barr wrote:
>
> I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out
> the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a
> 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the
> run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque
> converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all
> right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be?
>
> I am going to change to a NP435 sometime soon, but won't have time for a
> couple of months, so I need to fix this problem.

Somebody mentioned a front pump bushing. But this seal leakage is a
known problem with C6s. Often the rebuilder will enlarge the hole that
drains the front seal area to the pan with a drill. That's the only
solution I know of.

Birken
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:46:44 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

You can find someone to support just about any claim you want and back it up
with science. I recently read a web page which purports to show that milk
and cheese are basically the worst things in the world short of nuclear
fallout and they have plenty of "scientific" facts to back it up. American
tobacco companies had whole groups of scientists telling us that cigarette
smoking didn't cause cancer.

No combustion is 100% even in a perfectly tuned Ford truck, so that means
that these older vehicles were running around spewing unburned toxic lead
into the air/ground/water for decades before leaded gasoline went away.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: David and Cherie
To: 61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

>Roger Perry, a proffessor of enviromental control at Londons Imperial
>College, has conducted tests which show that unleaded petrol, when used in
>cars without catalytic converters(which includes whipper snippers and lawn
>mowers and chainsaws etc), produces a great quantity of volatile organic
>compounds which can be directly linked to cancer. Recently in Britain, the
>Nat Society for clean air has removed all support for unleaded petrol.
>
>Leaded, when lead is burned in a engine, it is subjected to temp of around
>2000 to 3000 degrees C so is baked like a brick. When the particles are
>emitted from the exhaust they fall to the ground within 10 to 12 feet.
>
>Those baked particles have been tested and it has been found that neither
>various acids nor stomache acid has any dissolving action on them. Neither
>can they be absorbed into the human lungs, unlike lead dust.

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:51:43 EDT
From: IanBoss69

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal

Judging by what you guys are saying this stuff sounds pretty good, anyway
what company makes it?

ian

79 f250 4x4 4spd 351w
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 15:57:34 EDT
From: IanBoss69

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.

If you're feeling really ambitious you could cut the rear door section off
the crew cab, put the supercab section in between the front and rear doors
then add another super cab section behind the rear doors. Catch all that?
If you don't understand what I'm saying then I don't blame you, but I saw a
94 f 350 like that (dually also) and it looked awesome.

Ian

79 f250 4x4 4spd 351w
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:52:56 -0700
From: Don or Bub
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

get one of those blue self crimp wire taps. 3m also makes them. after
you have your lights bolted on and the black wire grounded to the frame
take the red wire and splice the wire on to the headlights. whether you
want them to come on to the low beam or high beam is up to you. i hooked
mine up to the hot lead going to the lights. take a test light to see
which power lead is the hot . good luck
bub

Larry Brown wrote:
>
> Does any one , or rather can any one tell me how to hook up my fog lights
> so they only work when the headlights are on?
> A wireing diagram would be nice also.
>
> "The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four people is
> suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best
> friends. If they're okay, then it's you."
> -Rita Mae Brown
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:52:27 -0700
From: Carey & Norm
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5-spd trannies

I've got a new twist on this subject for the 'gurus'. My 460 swap into my '65
F-250 was finally completed and paid off, and is awesome! I'm thinking of making
this summer's project the transmission. It currently retains the original NP435,
but I'd like to get some info on swapping in a newer Ford truck 5-spd, like the
ZF. Anyone have any ideas on how easy a swap this would be, with a 460 from a '76
Thunderbird? I'm thinking, tranny mounts, drive line length, clutch (hydraulic
clutch, maybe?) etc. I'm guessing it should mount right up to the 460, since
that's what they are putting these behind now, right? Any input will be
appreciated, as I just wanted to check in here with the experts BEFORE I dropped
it off at the local tranny shop! : ) Thanks in advance...
Norm

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:01:01 -0400
From: Joel Minsky
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:[Fog Lights]

Larry-
Check out Steve Delanty's article on adding relays to your head
lights.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/relay/

He's got some simple wiring diagrams. I would recommend running the
juice for both your headlights and fog lights directly from the battery
the way Steve describes. This gives you more voltage at the light and
keeps the current running into the cab low. I set it up that way on my
'79 F150 and I swear the lights were twice as bright after.

Hope this helps-
-joel

Larry Brown wrote:
>
> Does any one , or rather can any one tell me how to hook up my fog lights
> so they only work when the headlights are on?
> A wireing diagram would be nice also.
>
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joel_minsky

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:05:05 EDT
From: Pyrate951

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help on heads

This has been covered before but I am having problems getting to the archives.
What I need to know is does anyone in the Seattle area know of a good place
to get heads rebuilt and what are the best gaskets to get. If they are a
little more costly that is not really a problem
Thanks
Greg
1968 F-250 Camper Special
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 20:32:57 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help on heads

This is an ez one, go to Mikes Auzzie Machine they are the best in the
Seattle area!! Mike is very helpful 206/ 248-HEAD.

Mike in Burien

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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:40:33 EDT
From: WEDIVE247

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping

What the heck is "RAMPING" ?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 19:51:50 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping

as in "ramp travel index" drive the vehicle up a inclined ramp, see how far
it goes, do some calcs to make it a quantifiable number, and there ya have
it.. RAMPING, RTI, RAMPS
I have a link around here some place.. I'll send it if I can locate it.

Erik Marquez
bronco78

mosquitonet.com
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Home of the BB decal
Bronco 78 in the BB chat room

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From: WEDIVE247

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To: 61-79-list

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Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: ramping

>What the heck is "RAMPING" ?
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:58:16 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wholesale parts?

does anyone on the list know where i can buy truck parts at wholesale
prices? i buy mustang parts and motorsport parts at wholesale, but i think i
may start restoring some ford trucks, broaden my horizons. thanks for any
input.

thanks, jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:20:19 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No more emissions worries

Maurice, Mark, and everybody,
Great news! My memories of 1975 when this truck came out have dimmed,
so I was not sure exactly when EGR's and cats showed up on the F100's.
Strange that it requires unleaded but has to cats. Well, never look a
gift horse in the mouth...
Thanks a bunch!
Brett
PS. Standard Catalog of Light Trucks lists Supercab introduction as 1974
(June), with a production run of 17,537 F100's, 10,852 F250s, and 1340
F350's.

>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries
>Hey Bret,
> It sounds like you have a federal model and there were apparrently
no
>cats on there either. My van is a 76 federal model, runs on unleaded
and has
>no cats or air pump, egr or anything. I would say that the 390 2v is
stock
>.......Maurice
> 76 E 250

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 99 00:00:55 PDT
From: "jeff loosier"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: 2v adjustment

- ----------
> Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 23:51:48
> To: 69-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject: 2v adjustment
>
> Thanks for all the help on the carb ive got the truck running good than=
ks
> to all of your help although the carb was only part of the problem it =
seems
> that i had a couple of plug wires that were breaking down and adding =
to the
> confusion now problem #2 i had the motor rebuilt a coulpe of years ago =
and
> ever since the truck has smoked out the right tail pipe and the plugs =
on the
> back two cylinders on the right side of the engine show signs of burnin=
g oil
> and ive got a little blow by i was thinking valve guides but im not rea=
lly
> sure
> i know two years sounds like a long time but there hasent been fifteen =

> thousand miles put on the engine since the rebuild are valve guides har=
der
> to install in a 390 engine compared to other engines such as 302 or 351
> the heads were completely reworked when rebuilt or at least they were =
supposed
> to be the mechanic said that he installed what he called umberalla valv=
e
> guides
> which he said were supposed to be the best that are made its hard to =
find a
> honest
> mechanics around here so i turn to the pros on the list again any sugg=
estion
> would be
> grealty appreatied and also is there any way of telling if the valve =
guides
> are bad
> without pulling the head and removeing the valve springs thanks again
>
>
> Thanks Jeff loosier

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:06:12 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

Is this the reason I always get a headache when washing parts in unleaded
gasoline, and not with the old leaded fuel.
I wish I had that report of yours.

Bill

> > Dave, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The unleaded fuel is
> >required BECAUSE of the Catalytic Converters; not the other way around.
> >Most engines will run just fine on unleaded. They won't know if there's
no
> >converter there or not. ( some recent exceptions ) But leaded fuel can
ruin
> >a Catalytic Converter in short order.
> > And secondly. What's so dangerous about "unleaded"
> >gas?..........etc, etc?
> > Thanx, Phil 64 F-100 /
> >63 Galaxie Fstbk.
> >
> Yes the Cat Converters will quickly block up with lead particles from
leaded
> fuel.
> What I am saying is that an engine that is to be used with unleaded
should
> under no circumstances be run without a Cat Converter.
>
> Catalytic Converters are the only reason lead was and is being taken out
of
> petrol, because of that reason.
>
> Unlike leaded fuel which in comparison is not as nearly as dangerous as
> unleaded, unleaded fuel contains a great percentage of aromatics such as
> dimethyl-benzene, mesitylene, toluenes, xylene and benzene.
>
> Every one of those is a declared carcinogen and will ( thats 'will' not
> 'might') cause cancer related disease and leukaemia.
>
> Avoid fumes when refuelling and don't allow anyone near the exhaust,
> particularly when the system is cold. Cat Converters don't work until
they
> reach approx 400 degrees.
>
> I have an interesting report on this subject if any body wants a read. i
> won't post it to the news group as its a bit big for that but if anybody
> wants I will forward a copy direct.
> Its changed the way that I think about fuel.
>
> Dave. Australia
>
>
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