61-79-list-digest Saturday, June 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 201



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Question about differential.
FTE 61-79 - More stuff
FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive
FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal
FTE 61-79 - Stu's thoughts
FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap
FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab
FTE 61-79 - Re: Emission Worries
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal
FTE 61-79 - ramping
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.
FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.
FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Super Crew Cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak
FTE 61-79 - Was Timing now Removing a rotor
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough?
FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif
FTE 61-79 - Chassis Dyno/ tuning
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing
Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak
FTE 61-79 - Overdrive for F100 FE
FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries
FTE 61-79 - 70's crew cabs
FTE 61-79 - RE: Built Ford Tough?
FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough
Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough?
Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif
Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:02:40 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it.

I tried for "thelord_is home.com" but my cable service got mad at me...

The only time you ever smell anything bad out of automotive exaust with
propane is if the idle mixture is off severly. Usually with high milage
veicles like taxi's. The problem is with the most common brand of
Propane mixer "Impco", the one moving part seems to wear itself and the
surrounding area, this causes the system to run rich and the idle screw
doesnt do anything. The only solution currently is to replace the mixer,
Luckily being the son of a machinist who loves a challange we are trying
to solve the problem for all.
The best company "OHG" never fails over any amount of time, and how
would you like to rebuild your carb (mixer) and only have to replace one
simple O ring.

In California where they have done testing on moving cars most propane
cars do not register mush if any monoxide as they go by.

"Hogan, Tom" wrote:
>
> ------------------------------
> I always thought so but now, looking below, I KNOW .... the Lord DOES drive
> a Ford truck !!!!! John, great address man. ;0)
>
> > Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:39:54 -0700
> > From: John Lord
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone?
>
> Seriously, with regards to the danger or toxicity of burning propane, I
> have operated propane powered agri equipment and they burn so cleanly that
> the exhaust does not smell noxious or burn your eyes. Secondly if a
> forklift is to be used inside and it has a combustion engine instead of
> batteries it is powered by propane. I've also seen propane powered floor
> buffers used indoors. I think propane produces much less or maybe no carbon
> monoxide.
>
> Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:07:53 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.

William S Hart wrote:

> A real 428, or an FE ? better check it, lots of guys have bought them
> thinkin they're 390's and finding they were 360's on teardown ... with a
> stroke of nearly 4" it should be pretty easy to calculate with a wire/stick
> in the spark plug hole ....

As a matter of fact I will be pulling the engine/tranny out this week
and i will use your sugestion im the kinda guy that would pull the heads
off to find out.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:26:41 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question about differential.

It isn't hard to get parts i have found that if all else fails a local
tranny shop usually have good new parts hiding in the back.

Unless you know what your doing or trust the shade tree you should take
it to a shop. The ring & pinion clearances are critical and you need to
have the tools and the skill to do it correctly.

As a note. If it is slop you are worried about remove the driveshaft and
feel how much you have, if after a good twist of the yolk you feel a
solid contact of gears but it still travels past that point your spider
gears are half the problem (the second movement). I have rebuilt rear
ends and with most of my old trucks i replace the spiders and it makes
half the problem go away.

PredFan wrote:
>
> Mine could use rebuilding. I've got a '71 F 100. Could anyone who's done
> this before tell me about it?
>
> How hard will it be to get new parts?
>
> Can a shade tree mechanic do it?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> -----------------------------------
> Deja Fu: The feeling you get that
> somehow, somewhere, you've been
> kicked in the head like this before.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:36:13 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More stuff

So here i am today at my friends shop storing the 440Cu dodge engine
that i cant sell, Drooling over a 76 F-350 4x4 with a 460 on propane and
44 inch tires. When i was offered another engine for my collection.
I need to go back and get a complete 351 Cleveland off his hands for
nothing and find room around the side of my fathers house beside the 390
Gt the 2 other 390's the 2 wisconson 4 cyl generation engines and the
darn 2.8 pinto engine I am not allowed to throw out.

I thing im getting out of the computer business and going into the
salvage business.

On top of that i was offered all 4 doors from a 76 Crew Cab for $100.00
Canadian each and i am out of room to keep them as spares.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:01:31 -0500
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak

Hey Listers,

I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out
the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a
4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the
run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque
converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all
right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be?

I am going to change to a NP435 sometime soon, but won't have time for a
couple of months, so I need to fix this problem.

Thanks,

Jerry Barr

1970 Camper Special




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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:53:00 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

> "agressive enough" - does this mean it is variable? I always thought
> (read:assumed) the centrifugal advance was fixed, or at least could not be
> changed without replacing parts. Darn, yet another thing I can go and screw
> up and I did not even know about it :))


By agressive I mean that the springs in the advance unit allow the
advance to all be in by 2500 rpms. You can change the advance phasing
by changing springs, lighter for quicker, heavier for slower. It's
important to have all your advance in at your highway cruising speed.
Most trucks are geared to run around 2000-to 2500 60-70 mph.
Overdrive trucks with taller gears may need their advance in by
1500-1800 rpms. If you don't have all your timing in at cruise, your
mileage will not be the best it can be.

>
> Awhile ago somebody said you can pull the rotor and put oil inside the
> distributor shaft. How the hell can this $^*%^ rotor be removed? My manual
> tells me to pull it, but no sane amount of force can pull it off. Anyone??

The rotor should just pull off, I bet somebody has buggered it up at
some point. get a screwdriver and a piece of wood under the edge of it
and pry against the dist housing. Work both sides of it, and take care
not to damage the points or anything inside the distributor. Be
patient, it'll come off.

> One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the
> netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92.
> Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I
> suppose we have higher compression engines.

It's also possible that there may be difffernt way of rating octane in
Europe. I don't know, of course. We used to have leaded fuel here that
run as high as 105 octane. Back in the '70's most of the premium was
97-100 octane. Is the fuel in the "Low Countries" unleaded? It's hard
to picture a little DAFodil on 98 octane fuel. Bet that's a mean little
sucker. I've never seen unleaded myself over 93 octane around here.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:11:53 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting

At 09:31 PM 6/10/99 , you wrote:
>Wish,
>Wouldn't the truck shake itself apart if the flywheel was warped severly.
>My truck shook when the flywheel was about .010-.012" from being flat. I
>can't imagine anyone worrying about hot starting if it was shaking itself
>apart at the seems. I'd be glad it didn't start!

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that the motor would run well if it did start,
just that it was possible for a warped flywheel to cause a hard start hot
... that would definitely be shakey ...


>Also, has anyone actually had a problem with the starter getting hot and
>put a heat shield on it to cure hot starting problems. Most of the guys
>are relating that they try all that stuff and the problem was still there.
>At least that is similar to what I experienced. I changed parts until the
>cows came home and they still tunrned over slow when Hot!!!! (Not the cows)
>
I hate slow turnin cows, you're always waitin on them....

As for the heat shield, its usually too late once the starter has gotten
hot, so you'll need to replace the starter then put the heat shield on
while you've got it off. I don't think the heat shields are really as big
of a deal as they used to be. Headers are a time when you really may need
the wrap. Most of the problems solved by a headshield are on Chubbies that
have a solenoid on the starter, they have problems because the solenoid
refuses to work when its that warm....


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:29:59 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive

>I have a '78 bronco and a C6 transmission .. don't know the transfer case
>type. Would it be possible to install an overdrive? Would it go after the
>transfer case?

Probably not if you ever wanted to use 4wd and OD at the same time ...


>I would get a .5 to one if that's available. I am sure my engine can run
>my truck at 1900 rpm at flat grounds. Then at hills you turn it off.
>
There are companies out there that make add on units that will probably put
whatever ratio you want. .5 is a lot of drop though ... My stang has a .67
and Dad's always givin me crap about idling at 65 ... anyway there is very
little punch with a .67, a .5 would leave you with probably less than
nothing ... you need to remember that whatever revs you're at will have to
generate enough power to haul you along...and do it efficiently ... My
truck would create that much power at that many revs, but I'd have so much
throttle dialed into it that it wouldn't help my mileage. As it is the
'stang gets better mileage cruising at 85 than 55 or even 65 ....27mpg for
2 tanks straight with the cruise set at 87 on the interstate ... then at 55
it drops down to 22-24 ... not much loss, but still enough to prove I'm out
of my power band (the difference is which side of 2000 I'm on)

Note- stang is 5spd, so its an internal OD

>Hmm but if it goes behind the transfer case the speedometer goes to half
>the speed too. I guess then it goes inbetween the transmision and the
>transfer case? I have never seen an external overdrive setup.
>
Seems like they usually run the speedo cable from the add on unit...check
your bronco, I think you'll find the speedo cable comes from the x-fer case ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:42:44 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal

OK, I had asked about vinyl paint, and here's what I ended up doing. The
color selection on this stuff in spray cans appears to be pretty limited for
some reason. So, after messing around, I finally bit the bullet and bought a
pint from the local automotive paint supplier. They custom-mixed the 78 dark
green I needed...it had metalflake in it (or whatever you call it). When
spraying with the paint gun, you don't have to add any hardener or reducer,
so it was easy. I sprayed an armrest and a couple of sun visors, and they
came out great.....it looks pretty durable as well...guess we'll see over the
next few years!

I know this is probably not a Marino-approved solution since I didn't use a
spray can and then do the painting with my eyes closed, but I hope it works
anyway!

CJ
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:43:01 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's thoughts

Stu Varner wrote:

> I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I mistaken??

Well, Stu also thought he had to change the air in his tires monthly until I
stopped by and got him straightened out, so you never really know what to
believe here.......

CJ





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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:05:27 -0500
From: jsavage agmc.com (Jeff Savage)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap

Hello!!

I hope that there is someone out there that can help me. I have an 1979
F350 4x4 with a semi-beefed 400ci. I recently acquired a '79 F150 4x2 with
a stock 460ci. I would like to be able to build up the 460 and put it into
my 1-ton. I have been told many things, from many different people about
how easy this may, or may not be. I do know that I will have to buy
different engine mounts, for the fact that when I yanked the 460, it had
"funky" mounts. I have also been informed about the oil pan. Since I am
going into a 4x4 from a 4x2, I will need a different pan. I believe this to
be true. Does anybody know of any other "complications" that I may run into
while doing this conversion? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks for listening to me babble!!



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Jeff Savage
Information Systems Technician
ALLIED Group Mortgage
4546 Corporate Drive Suite #100
West Des Moines, IA 50266

Phone: (515)224-7100 Ext. 7262
Fax: (515)224-7115
E-Mail: jsavage agmc.com

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab

William Whited wrote:
> Stu, I thought 1974 1/2 was the 1st supercabs.
>
> Stu Varner wrote:
>> I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I
mistaken??

While looking through factory literature I came across a flier from Ford
introducing the new Supercab for 1974.

That's not to say it couldn't happen. I once owned a car I bought late
in the model year that had a new motor that supposedly wasn't introduced
until the next year. It had a different vin code for the motor which also
didn't match the vin code for the same motor the next year. I'm sure it
would be impossible to prove that the car came that way originally without
the build sheet and factory sticker.

Can't say what kind of car or Stu would never speak to me again. My bet
is that that '73 for sale is actually a '74.


Mark in Southwest Washington
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and former owner of a '74 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:05:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Emission Worries

Here is some additional information.

>From "Chiltons 1993 edition, Emission Control Systems Application"

Key

FED - Federal
CAL - California
M - Manual Transmission
A - Automatic Transmission
PCV - Positive Crankcase Ventilation
TAC - Thermal Air Cleaner
AIS - Air Injection System
EVP - Evaporative Canister
FR - Fill Pipe Restrictor
OC - Catalytic Convertor
EGR - Exhaust Gas Recirculation
SPK - Spark Control

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1975 Ford Trucks

GVWR 6000 or less
FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK
300 X X X X X X X X 1
302 X X X X X X X X 3 3 1
351 X X X X X X X X 1
360 X X X X X X X X 1
390 X X X X X X X 1
460 X X X X X X X X 1

GVWR 6001 or more
FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK
300 X X X X X X
330 X X X X X X 8 8
351 X X X X X X 8 8
360 X X X X X X 8 8
361 X X X X X X 8 8
390 X X X X X X 8 8
391 X X X X X X 8 8
460 X X X X X X 8
477 X X X X X X 8 8
534 X X X X X X 8 8

(1) Conventional system
(3) Bronco only
(8) California only


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:11:20 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal

>I know this is probably not a Marino-approved solution since I didn't use a
>spray can and then do the painting with my eyes closed, but I hope it works
>anyway!
>
>CJ

You want to know what really makes me sick CJ? I walked outside this
morning and dropped my jaw-- the bed looks better than the rest of the
truck!!!! Man, I wish I hadn't spent $250 to do the front half!!!! I
can't stop smilin' everytime I look at my "disco rig"!!! Wish I would
have done this earlier!

Tony
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:16:06 -0500
From: "Brett Yerks"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ramping

I had the opportunity to ramp my truck over Memorial weekend. It's a 76
F250 with all 1-ton axles and suspension and 38's. I got a 719 going
forward and 741 reverse. Check it out:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird/specs/ramp I'm curious if anyone else has
ramped their truck and what numbers you got.

Brett
76 F250 460 38's
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:14:55 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.

I LIKE IT!!!!!!!







Stu Varner on 06/10/99 04:11:36 PM

Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.




>>I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the
>>back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what
>>that would look like?


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.excel-limo.com/

Here you go for a limo pickem up!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:27:49 -0400
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too !

> From: 61-79-list-digest - # 200
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999
> From: "David and Cherie"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap
>
> I believe that all engines that run on unleaded petrol need a cat
> converter.
> Firstly cause that unleaded stuff is so dangerous, etc, etc.
> Dave
>
Dave, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The unleaded fuel is
required BECAUSE of the Catalytic Converters; not the other way around.
Most engines will run just fine on unleaded. They won't know if there's no
converter there or not. ( some recent exceptions ) But leaded fuel can ruin
a Catalytic Converter in short order.
And secondly. What's so dangerous about "unleaded"
gas?..........etc, etc?
Thanx, Phil 64 F-100 /
63 Galaxie Fstbk.


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:04:51 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab

Sorry guys,

The truck for sale is a 78 Supercab, I should have been a little clearer.
My neighbor had one of the first supercabs years ago when I was a kid, i
always thought it was a 73.....
Thanks for helping set me straight! I need to all to frequently, Right CJ??

Stu
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>
>While looking through factory literature I came across a flier from Ford
>introducing the new Supercab for 1974.


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:19:53 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends.

John Lord wrote:

> I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the
> back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what
> that would look like?

Yes. There is a beautiful green and silver '77 F350 Crew/Super cab in the
April '99 issue of Four Wheeler magazine.



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:30:20 PDT
From: Don Jones
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
Its a bit rusty , but complete.
He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i
saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?

Don Jones.


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:11:28 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

Don,

I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967,
that may even be a little high.
They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427
SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250
4x4 of 67 vintage.
The word jealous is not even close to
my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko????

Stu
Nuke GM!
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At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote:
>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
>Its a bit rusty , but complete.
>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i
>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?
>
>Don Jones.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:26:32 -0400
From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

Stu,

Stop drooling!

The thoughts of a '67 Merc 4x4 along with your truck too? You may drown if you
don't stop!

- -Ted





Stu Varner on 06/11/99 02:11:28 PM

Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4




Don,

I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967,
that may even be a little high.
They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427
SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250
4x4 of 67 vintage.
The word jealous is not even close to
my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko????

Stu
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At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote:
>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
>Its a bit rusty , but complete.
>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i
>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:43:33 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

At 12:30 PM 6/11/99 , you wrote:
>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
>Its a bit rusty , but complete.
>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i
>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?
>

*drool drool* yeah, its pretty rare ... if he ever wants to get rid of it
be sure and send him my way!


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:15:51 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Crew Cab

"I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the
back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what
that would look like?"

Ther was just such a truck on the cover of "Four Wheeler" a couple
of months ago.It's a 78-79 4x4 and I thought it looked pretty good.
The magazine may have a website where you could check it out.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

wish typed out :

[Timing discussion snipped]

> >I suppose that's one way to find out. I was afraid it would be hard on the
> >pistons and bearings if the advance is too much. Differences in power are
> >hard to measure on the freeway (especially with silicon valley traffic).
> >
> No they're not ... just pick a stretch (shortish) and at full throttle see
> how long it takes :) Just kidding.

Hee.Hee. A friend of mine is playing with a fairly new mi*ta, which
he autocrosses and races. One of the first things he did was adding
a turbo, and he wanted a way to evaluate tweaks to the system,
without having to buy a chassis dyno. He used a laptop computer,
along with a digital signal processing (DSP) chip. The DSP is
hooked up to tach, throttle position sensor, O2, speedo, etc. He
picked a nice flat stretch of road, and starting in a fixed
gear, accelerates. Then, a reverse trip, which is averaged with
the first data set. He then crunches all the data in the laptop,
and came out with torque/horsepower curve, which he "Calibrated"
using the factory curves (mutiply by a constant to get the magnitudes
to match, the curves themselves were amazingly similar). Then, he
starts tweaking away, comparing results against the original curves.

There you have it - a homemade laptop dyno. Oh yeah, it also takes
the cooperation of his SO to run the dyno while he drives :-)
- --
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak

Jerry wondered:
> Hey Listers,
>
> I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out
> the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a
> 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the
> run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque
> converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all
> right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be?
>

Maybe main line pressure too high?
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:33:12 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Was Timing now Removing a rotor

- ------------------------------

Bas van der Veer wrote:


Awhile ago somebody said you can pull the rotor and put oil inside the
distributor shaft. How the hell can this $^*%^ rotor be removed? My manual
tells me to pull it, but no sane amount of force can pull it off. Anyone??



My Reply:
Bas,
I'm having trouble understanding why you would be having trouble removing
the rotor. It is only a press fit and not a tight fit at all. For
clarification referr to the pictures in the tech article on the Ford-trucks
(www.ford-trucks.com) web page titled "Converting a Small Cap 7mm Spark Plug
Wire System to a Large Cap 8" There are some pictures there the first
picture is of a large diameter distributor cap. Both the large and small
diameter caps are held on with spring clips located on each (2) sides of the
cap. Using a screwdriver pry these off of the cap (they are permanently
attached to the distributor and will pivot at the point they mount to the
dizzy). Remove the cap you should see something similar to the second
picture. The large gray plastic piece in the photo is the rotor. If yours
looks like this then it should simply lift off. If it doesn't then it may
have been glued in place. I have never heard of them seizing. Ford did not
design them with set screws as did some other manufacturers. If this is
what you are pulling on then go get another one before you try to remove the
old one 'cause you are probably going to break it and the truck don't go
well without one ;0). After you remove the rotor you will see a felt plug
in the end of the dizzy shaft and this is what gets a few drops of oil.
Usually the dip stick works well for applying it.

Good luck
Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

Bill wrote:

[more timing snipped]
>
> > One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the
> > netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92.
> > Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I
> > suppose we have higher compression engines.
>
> It's also possible that there may be difffernt way of rating octane in
> Europe. I don't know, of course. We used to have leaded fuel here that
> run as high as 105 octane. Back in the '70's most of the premium was
> 97-100 octane. Is the fuel in the "Low Countries" unleaded? It's hard
> to picture a little DAFodil on 98 octane fuel. Bet that's a mean little
> sucker. I've never seen unleaded myself over 93 octane around here.

There are at least two methods of measuring octane, in California
the number on the pump is the average of the two. The yellow sticker
on the pump describes this.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:58 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

Ted,

A guy and dream right? I can't even imagine thought of a 1967 Merc 250
4x4.........WOW!
I guess it's like the very original 1948 Willy's Jeep (Stu, driving a
Non-Ford vehicle?? What??)
Oh yes!

I tried to buy it the other day
for a run around vehicle......the thing is soooo beautiful and original.
Been sitting in a barn for a long long time. That last owner had it for 40
plus years. I did get promised dibbs on it when he sells it so maybe I can
dream about *that* one instead since so few 67-68 Mercs are in the
southern part of the US at my disposal!

But then, It would be better to have the Jeep and the Merc! right?? hehehehe
What a Big dreamer I am!!!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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>Stu,
>
>Stop drooling!
>
>The thoughts of a '67 Merc 4x4 along with your truck too? You may drown
if you
>don't stop!
>
>-Ted
>Don,
>
>I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967,
>that may even be a little high.
>They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427
>SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250
>4x4 of 67 vintage.
>The word jealous is not even close to
>my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko????
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
>
>
>At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
>>Its a bit rusty , but complete.
>>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i
>>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?
>>
>>Don Jones.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:43:32 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

>Hee.Hee. A friend of mine is playing with a fairly new mi*ta, which
>he autocrosses and races.

Those cars are sweet to watch .. like little go-karts ... heard one grab a
second gear scratch the other day in a race with full R compound tires on
it ! They're just so cool, I didnt care for the old ones, but the new gen
... impressive.


One of the first things he did was adding
>a turbo, and he wanted a way to evaluate tweaks to the system,
>without having to buy a chassis dyno. He used a laptop computer,
>along with a digital signal processing (DSP) chip. The DSP is
>hooked up to tach, throttle position sensor, O2, speedo, etc. He
>picked a nice flat stretch of road, and starting in a fixed
>gear, accelerates. Then, a reverse trip, which is averaged with
>the first data set. He then crunches all the data in the laptop,
>and came out with torque/horsepower curve, which he "Calibrated"
>using the factory curves (mutiply by a constant to get the magnitudes
>to match, the curves themselves were amazingly similar). Then, he
>starts tweaking away, comparing results against the original curves.
>
>There you have it - a homemade laptop dyno. Oh yeah, it also takes
>the cooperation of his SO to run the dyno while he drives :-)
>

Or for 139 you can order a G-tech pro and it'll just puke the numbers out
for you :)

www.mustangworld.com there's a review at the bottom of the page

www.gtechpro.com for the device itself ... some people scream about
inaccuracy, but as long as its consistant it'll tell you how you're doing.
Also careful setup can make it more accurate.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:47:23 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

>There are at least two methods of measuring octane, in California
>the number on the pump is the average of the two. The yellow sticker
>on the pump describes this.
>--

The number on the pump in the US is the average (its a federal thing), if
you look it says in parens on the bottom:

Octane figured using (R+M)/2 method. One of those is a research method
where you have an unknown and a known, and you dilute the known til it
behaves the same as the unknown and poof you know your octane rating. The
other method I think is a math method where you just calculate everything
out. One is consistently higher than the other, so some brainiac came up
with the idea of averaging them rather than just picking one.


Just my 2cents

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:52:30 EDT
From: MongoCaver aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough?


especially the funny ones. If anyone's got a spare minute jot a 'short'
one down and give us a giggle. >>

Don't know if these qualify they aren't really funny but:

In 1979 I was 18 and on the way home from visiting my future wife. It was
about 2am and I was sleepy. Fell asleep at the wheel. Truck rolled 3 times
and landed on its "feet". I woke up about half way thru the first roll. Got
out after it stopped and surveyed the damage. Crushed cab and blown front
tire. I changed the tire then got back into the truck. Reached down to turn
the key, but my knee had broken it off so I put my thumb against the stub and
slot and turned the engine over. It kicked right off so I drove it home.
Still have the truck, so far it has had 3 cabs, 7 beds and only god knows how
many fenders. I retired it last year when I got my F350.


I have always despised volkswagons, and especially gave them hell when I was
in my Truck. One time one thought it would pass me on a narrow road. Well I
sped up so that it was right beside me and couldn't get by. Then I noticed
another vehicle coming towards us. I waited till the last second or two, then
let off so that the volks would have just enough time to get by. The problem
was that my truck didn't let off , it maintained the same rate of
acceleration. The volks had to give up and drop behind. Just as soon as it
did, my truck let off and the accelerator popped back up. Now you may call
it coincedence, but that accelerator never stuck before or after that one
instance. I think my old truck hated "Hitler haulers" more than I did.

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:06:25 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif

Could the rear dif from a 65 F100 with semi floating axles be installed
into a 69 F250 with full floating axles if they are both Dana 60's? I'm
prepared to buy new parts and have it professionally done, but was wondering
what the possibilities are.

Is the Powerloc the same thing as the 2 piece case, and the trackloc an open
type limited slip?


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:50:36 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chassis Dyno/ tuning

Vas van der Veer : As another list member mentioned, a chassis dynomometer
is the ideal tool for real world drivabilty testing and tuning.
Interestingly enough my brother has one in his machine shop (my 428 is also
currently residing there too). I also gather you live somewhere here in the
S.F. Bay area, his shop is about 50 miles north of San Francisco. If you are
serious about this kind of testing please e-mail me off list and I will give
you his address and phone number. This also applies to anyone else on the
list who lives in this area and is interested in testing their performance.
I should warn you though dyno time is fairly expensive , however usually the
gains in horsepower per dollar and the information gained are worth the
money. Best Regards, Steve Salas '69 F-250 390 4V
(someday I'll finish that 428)



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:02:56 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

I dont know how rare it is, but I like it, and if he ever decides to sell,
call me!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:38:28 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing

WiSH wrote:
[Roll-your-own Dyno deleted]
>
> Or for 139 you can order a G-tech pro and it'll just puke the
> numbers out for you :)

But Bill! Wouldn't you rather buy a $2000 laptop, a $200 chip,
and spend a week over a hot soldering iron building a PC board,
rope SWMBO into a day of driving back and forth, and, and, and,
$139?

Excuse me, I have to go melt some beer cans so I can cast
some new pistons :-|.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:34:50 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak

Jerry! It sounds to me like you have a worn front pump seal.....and i warn
you....probably a worn front pump bushing as well!

Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com
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> Hey Listers,
>
> I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out
> the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a
> 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the
> run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque
> converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all
> right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be?
.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jerry Barr
>
> 1970 Camper Special


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:44:29 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive for F100 FE

OK,
I found where I posted it before (These are for used parts and O/D's):

Try Fatsco 1-800-524-0485 ask for Mike
or Blumenthal's 405-232-9557

Also, the guy who was talking about using it with a C4 or C6, sorry, they
are for manual transmissions. I think that the O/D bolts up only to a Borg
Warner such as my T89. Sorry again, the are not adjustable and as far as I
know, they come in one ratio only- .7:1.

For the other guy who has trouble engaging after freewheeling, it sounds
like the small springs in the O/D are worn out. Replaced mine. I know
where you can get them! Also, it is supposed to freewheel when in! There
are two phases to the O/D- mechanical and electrical. The mechanical will
work without the electrical; but the electrical will not work without the
mechanical. If you are inclined to take yours apart, they are tricky. The
shop manuals don't give the proper information- so get back to me first and
I'll give you some hints.

Tim 66F100 352 w/O/D P/S and Custom Cab
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:49:10 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries

Maurice,
I found the sticker and this is what it says:

Date: 07/75 GVWR: 5700
GAWR Front: 3220 Rear: 3220
This vehicle conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle safety
standards in effect on the date of manufacture shown above.
F01507R0439 (

Looks like this '75 F100 did not meet the 6000 lb. emission exemption
(?). The exhaust runners on the heads have small pipe plugs where the
AIR pump pipes would be installed. Currently the motorcraft 2 bbl bolts
directly to the iron intake; no spacer or any EGR anywhere. The dist.
advance vacuum line goes straight to the carb. The fuel gauge reads
"Unleaded Gasoline Only". So, did this thing have a catalytic
converter, EGR, AIR pump, none of the above, all of the above?
I just read the Texas statues covering vehicle inspections and they are
very vague, leaving alot up to the inspector. It's mainly a visual
check, no sniffer tests in my county yet, but just wait 5 years. I'd
hate to dump a bunch of money into this one just putting it back stock.
Maybe I'll start looking for a '74 Supercab (pre-federal emissions?).
Thanks,
Brett
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries
>Hey Bret,
> First of all, you need to see if it is a federal model...to find this
out,
>look on the inside of the door jam, there should be a blue sticker, or
grey
>or metal. It should tell you exactly what it is and what it conforms
to. I
>have a 1976 Ford E250 Club Wagon with a 460, and it too has no
equipment on
>it, because it's a federal model. The sticker should tell you that it
>comforms to either state or federal requirements. Please write me back
and
>let me know, I am a mechanic and know these things. Hope this helped
and
>look forward to talking to you again.
>Maurice Nielsen,
>76 E-250
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:06:45 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 70's crew cabs

There are a surprising number of 70's crew cabs still running around here
in Texas. The majority have been used hard as commercial vehicles, but
every so often a clean one pops up for sale. I would image that anywhere
in the Southwest USA you could find a nice one.
How would you get it back up there? Is it cost effective?
Adios,
Brett
'75 Supercab

At 08:19 PM 6/9/99 , you wrote:
>Ok that was the easy part.........Now where can I get one :-)
>
>The wife wants me to spend up to 1/2 the price of a new one, and build
her a
>"new one" just the way she wants it. Plus easy emissions, low insurance,
and
>no monthly payment damn I love my wife. So Looking for a 78-79 crew
cab,
>decent body, mech condition un-important (price dependent). Other years
>(prior to 78 ) would be interesting also. Oh ya, would be damn helpful
if
>the vehicle in question was in Alaska :-)
>

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:15:45 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Built Ford Tough?

When I 1st got my truck the tail gate wouldn't come down. I tried and tried
and even enlisted my brother's help and we couldn't get it to budge. I took
the latch apart and un-did some jimmy rigging by a previous owner along with
squirting oil on everything that appeared to be a moving part (kinda hard to
see the moving parts with the tail gate up). This was all to no avail. I
resigned to having to haul the yard trimmings etc to the dump with the tail
gate up. A couple weeks later I was at the dump preparing to unload a bed
full of tree trimmings etc. One of the guys in the spot next to me kept
watching me as I was taking the tarp off. Before I knew it, he had the tail
gate down and was unloading the bed for me. It has worked great ever since.
I don't know how long it would have taken me to try it again. I probably
would have gone on for months resigned to the fact that the tail gate was
stuck shut, doing a climb job loading and unloading all that great stuff I
haul in my truck.

> The best thing about our trucks are the experiences we've all had,
> especially the funny ones. If anyone's got a spare minute jot a 'short'
> one down and give us a giggle.
> The silliest thing I did was a loooooong time ago when I first started
> driving my partner's '75, 351c F100. It went something like this

snip ~ snip

>> Yes, I am a woman driver ............... and proud of it!

Ditto to the above statement. Roberta with 1965 custom cab



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:37:12 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough

I loved reading about these. Bein around Fords all my life, I can think of a
number of stories. The first clear memories I have are of helping dad build
his 75 4x4. We worked side by side on that truck. Of course bein 5 I didn't
do much, but I did help. One thing I remember was setting the cab on the
frame. With the tires off of one side of the truck, a few 2x4s and a
come-along, we slid that cab right up in our garage. Dad worked the
come-along, I watched the 2x4s to make sure they weren't goin anywhere. A
few months after this, I can recall the very first time I went wheelin with
him. I was sitting next to the truck, Playing with my hot wheels, and dad
came around and said "Are you ready?" I asked for what, and he said we were
goin 4 wheelin. I immediately asked, "whats that?" With a big smile on his
face he said hed show me. Well, we went out to the dunes and got buried on
the first Razor back we hit. That night I also learned what the small
folding shovel dad had was for. There we were, side by side, trying to free
this big F-250 from the sand. Dad being very enthusiastic about his truck,
had buried it to the body because he didn't wanna give up. (Keep in mind
this is a hi-boy F-250 sitting on 38.5 mudders). It took us awhile to get
her free, but we did. I remember feeling the cool sand between my toes (took
my shoes off). I was lovin every minute of it. To this day I think one of
the best parts of wheelin is the rescue. Well in good wheelin fashion, after
the truck was free we went at it again. This time we made it. After a lil
more playing we drove the truck home and gave it a once over. Okay dad did,
because by this time it was midnight, and I was zonkered.

That was my first wheelin trip. I guess its been awhile now, comin up on 16
years ago that happened. But even now I get a smile thinkin about it. I
hope you did readin about it.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:45:05 EDT
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough?

Story,

Last month I came home from work and my wife, the Misses next door were
around her lawn mower. When I got out of the truck, my wife said that she
was glad to see me. She said, the next door Misses took the lawn mower out
for the first time to cut the grass. She was doing a great job until the
mower stop. Yep, you guest it, she ran out of gas. So she went next door
and borrowed some fuel from the other neighbor. (The other neighbor was a
grandma baby-sitting) She did a great job of filling the mower and continued
to mow the grass. One minute later or less, smoke poured out of the mower.
Yep, you guest it again, she filled it up with diesel. Worried that her
husband would find out, she asked me to get the mower running again. After
changing the fuel in the tank, cleaning the plug several times and killing
the masses west of Chicago from the smoke. The mower was running like a top.
She finished the job in a neatly fashion and put the mower away safe and
sound with the hubby never to find out about the incident. The only thing
she forgot about was little Johnny. He was on daddy's lap spilling the beans
faster than a dress on prom night.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:15:04 EDT
From: Lion5859 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries

Hey Bret,

It sounds like you have a federal model and there were apparrently no
cats on there either. My van is a 76 federal model, runs on unleaded and has
no cats or air pump, egr or anything. I would say that the 390 2v is stock
for that truck of yours, unless you bought it from someone that had done a
conversion before you got it. I would say run with it and see what the
inspectors have to say about it, but keep me informed. If there is anything
I can help you with along the way, just let me know, I'll be here watching
for you. if you have aol, IM me and we can talk. If not, get and download
Instant Messanger and you can talk to me that way...okay?

Maurice
76 E 250
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:26:41 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap

you need a oil pan for a 1978 e350 van with a 460, along with the pick up
tube, and dip stick, use 390 truck mounts (Must be modified), if you have a 4
spd, you need a 390 flywheel, i think i had to modify the alternator bracket,
its pretty low on the 460, i raised mine up some to clear the frame.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:32:34 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

just goes to show you, there is still some neat stuff out there. i'm still
looking for that 65 shelby sitting in a barn.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:30:36 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif

Before I removed the diferential cover, I asked...


> Could the rear dif from a 65 F100 with semi floating axles be
installed
> into a 69 F250 with full floating axles if they are both Dana 60's? I'm
> prepared to buy new parts and have it professionally done, but was
wondering
> what the possibilities are.
>
> Is the Powerloc the same thing as the 2 piece case, and the trackloc an
open
> type limited slip?
............

The cover is off, and I'm looking at a 2 piece case inside a housing
with 60-2 written on the top and a drain plug on the bottom. Hmmm... I
didn't think they had drain plugs in 65?

Somebody please tell me I can use this 2 piece case from a 65 F100 in my 69
F250, as I'm very interested in upgrading the regular rear axle.


Danger


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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:19:18 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4

At 01:11 PM 11/06/99 -0500, you wrote:
You guys wrote:

>Don,
>
>I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967,
>that may even be a little high.
>They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427
>SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250
>4x4 of 67 vintage.
>The word jealous is not even close to
>my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko????
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
>
>
>At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive.
>>Its a bit rusty , but complete.
>>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place
yesterday, i
>>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is?
>>
>>Don Jones.
>

OK, you have my attention.

Sounds awesome, to have a stock one at that. Just one question though....

Is it running a 410?

....


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