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61-79-list-digest Saturday, June 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 201 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it. Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. Re: FTE 61-79 - Question about differential. FTE 61-79 - More stuff FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal FTE 61-79 - Stu's thoughts FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab FTE 61-79 - Re: Emission Worries Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal FTE 61-79 - ramping Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too ! Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 FTE 61-79 - Super Crew Cab Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak FTE 61-79 - Was Timing now Removing a rotor Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif FTE 61-79 - Chassis Dyno/ tuning Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak FTE 61-79 - Overdrive for F100 FE FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries FTE 61-79 - 70's crew cabs FTE 61-79 - RE: Built Ford Tough? FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:02:40 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it. I tried for "thelord_is home.com" but my cable service got mad at me... The only time you ever smell anything bad out of automotive exaust with propane is if the idle mixture is off severly. Usually with high milage veicles like taxi's. The problem is with the most common brand of Propane mixer "Impco", the one moving part seems to wear itself and the surrounding area, this causes the system to run rich and the idle screw doesnt do anything. The only solution currently is to replace the mixer, Luckily being the son of a machinist who loves a challange we are trying to solve the problem for all. The best company "OHG" never fails over any amount of time, and how would you like to rebuild your carb (mixer) and only have to replace one simple O ring. In California where they have done testing on moving cars most propane cars do not register mush if any monoxide as they go by. "Hogan, Tom" wrote: > > ------------------------------ > I always thought so but now, looking below, I KNOW .... the Lord DOES drive > a Ford truck !!!!! John, great address man. ;0) > > > Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:39:54 -0700 > > From: John Lord > > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone? > > Seriously, with regards to the danger or toxicity of burning propane, I > have operated propane powered agri equipment and they burn so cleanly that > the exhaust does not smell noxious or burn your eyes. Secondly if a > forklift is to be used inside and it has a combustion engine instead of > batteries it is powered by propane. I've also seen propane powered floor > buffers used indoors. I think propane produces much less or maybe no carbon > monoxide. > > Tom H. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:07:53 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. William S Hart wrote: > A real 428, or an FE ? better check it, lots of guys have bought them > thinkin they're 390's and finding they were 360's on teardown ... with a > stroke of nearly 4" it should be pretty easy to calculate with a wire/stick > in the spark plug hole .... As a matter of fact I will be pulling the engine/tranny out this week and i will use your sugestion im the kinda guy that would pull the heads off to find out. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:26:41 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Question about differential. It isn't hard to get parts i have found that if all else fails a local tranny shop usually have good new parts hiding in the back. Unless you know what your doing or trust the shade tree you should take it to a shop. The ring & pinion clearances are critical and you need to have the tools and the skill to do it correctly. As a note. If it is slop you are worried about remove the driveshaft and feel how much you have, if after a good twist of the yolk you feel a solid contact of gears but it still travels past that point your spider gears are half the problem (the second movement). I have rebuilt rear ends and with most of my old trucks i replace the spiders and it makes half the problem go away. PredFan wrote: > > Mine could use rebuilding. I've got a '71 F 100. Could anyone who's done > this before tell me about it? > > How hard will it be to get new parts? > > Can a shade tree mechanic do it? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > John > > ----------------------------------- > Deja Fu: The feeling you get that > somehow, somewhere, you've been > kicked in the head like this before. > ----------------------------------- > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 02:36:13 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: FTE 61-79 - More stuff So here i am today at my friends shop storing the 440Cu dodge engine that i cant sell, Drooling over a 76 F-350 4x4 with a 460 on propane and 44 inch tires. When i was offered another engine for my collection. I need to go back and get a complete 351 Cleveland off his hands for nothing and find room around the side of my fathers house beside the 390 Gt the 2 other 390's the 2 wisconson 4 cyl generation engines and the darn 2.8 pinto engine I am not allowed to throw out. I thing im getting out of the computer business and going into the salvage business. On top of that i was offered all 4 doors from a 76 Crew Cab for $100.00 Canadian each and i am out of room to keep them as spares. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:01:31 -0500 From: Jerry Barr Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak Hey Listers, I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be? I am going to change to a NP435 sometime soon, but won't have time for a couple of months, so I need to fix this problem. Thanks, Jerry Barr 1970 Camper Special == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:53:00 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing > "agressive enough" - does this mean it is variable? I always thought > (read:assumed) the centrifugal advance was fixed, or at least could not be > changed without replacing parts. Darn, yet another thing I can go and screw > up and I did not even know about it :)) By agressive I mean that the springs in the advance unit allow the advance to all be in by 2500 rpms. You can change the advance phasing by changing springs, lighter for quicker, heavier for slower. It's important to have all your advance in at your highway cruising speed. Most trucks are geared to run around 2000-to 2500 60-70 mph. Overdrive trucks with taller gears may need their advance in by 1500-1800 rpms. If you don't have all your timing in at cruise, your mileage will not be the best it can be. > > Awhile ago somebody said you can pull the rotor and put oil inside the > distributor shaft. How the hell can this $^*%^ rotor be removed? My manual > tells me to pull it, but no sane amount of force can pull it off. Anyone?? The rotor should just pull off, I bet somebody has buggered it up at some point. get a screwdriver and a piece of wood under the edge of it and pry against the dist housing. Work both sides of it, and take care not to damage the points or anything inside the distributor. Be patient, it'll come off. > One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the > netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92. > Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I > suppose we have higher compression engines. It's also possible that there may be difffernt way of rating octane in Europe. I don't know, of course. We used to have leaded fuel here that run as high as 105 octane. Back in the '70's most of the premium was 97-100 octane. Is the fuel in the "Low Countries" unleaded? It's hard to picture a little DAFodil on 98 octane fuel. Bet that's a mean little sucker. I've never seen unleaded myself over 93 octane around here. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:11:53 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting At 09:31 PM 6/10/99 , you wrote: >Wish, >Wouldn't the truck shake itself apart if the flywheel was warped severly. >My truck shook when the flywheel was about .010-.012" from being flat. I >can't imagine anyone worrying about hot starting if it was shaking itself >apart at the seems. I'd be glad it didn't start! Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that the motor would run well if it did start, just that it was possible for a warped flywheel to cause a hard start hot ... that would definitely be shakey ... >Also, has anyone actually had a problem with the starter getting hot and >put a heat shield on it to cure hot starting problems. Most of the guys >are relating that they try all that stuff and the problem was still there. >At least that is similar to what I experienced. I changed parts until the >cows came home and they still tunrned over slow when Hot!!!! (Not the cows) > I hate slow turnin cows, you're always waitin on them.... As for the heat shield, its usually too late once the starter has gotten hot, so you'll need to replace the starter then put the heat shield on while you've got it off. I don't think the heat shields are really as big of a deal as they used to be. Headers are a time when you really may need the wrap. Most of the problems solved by a headshield are on Chubbies that have a solenoid on the starter, they have problems because the solenoid refuses to work when its that warm.... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:29:59 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive >I have a '78 bronco and a C6 transmission .. don't know the transfer case >type. Would it be possible to install an overdrive? Would it go after the >transfer case? Probably not if you ever wanted to use 4wd and OD at the same time ... >I would get a .5 to one if that's available. I am sure my engine can run >my truck at 1900 rpm at flat grounds. Then at hills you turn it off. > There are companies out there that make add on units that will probably put whatever ratio you want. .5 is a lot of drop though ... My stang has a .67 and Dad's always givin me crap about idling at 65 ... anyway there is very little punch with a .67, a .5 would leave you with probably less than nothing ... you need to remember that whatever revs you're at will have to generate enough power to haul you along...and do it efficiently ... My truck would create that much power at that many revs, but I'd have so much throttle dialed into it that it wouldn't help my mileage. As it is the 'stang gets better mileage cruising at 85 than 55 or even 65 ....27mpg for 2 tanks straight with the cruise set at 87 on the interstate ... then at 55 it drops down to 22-24 ... not much loss, but still enough to prove I'm out of my power band (the difference is which side of 2000 I'm on) Note- stang is 5spd, so its an internal OD >Hmm but if it goes behind the transfer case the speedometer goes to half >the speed too. I guess then it goes inbetween the transmision and the >transfer case? I have never seen an external overdrive setup. > Seems like they usually run the speedo cable from the add on unit...check your bronco, I think you'll find the speedo cable comes from the x-fer case ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:42:44 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal OK, I had asked about vinyl paint, and here's what I ended up doing. The color selection on this stuff in spray cans appears to be pretty limited for some reason. So, after messing around, I finally bit the bullet and bought a pint from the local automotive paint supplier. They custom-mixed the 78 dark green I needed...it had metalflake in it (or whatever you call it). When spraying with the paint gun, you don't have to add any hardener or reducer, so it was easy. I sprayed an armrest and a couple of sun visors, and they came out great.....it looks pretty durable as well...guess we'll see over the next few years! I know this is probably not a Marino-approved solution since I didn't use a spray can and then do the painting with my eyes closed, but I hope it works anyway! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:43:01 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's thoughts Stu Varner wrote: > I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I mistaken?? Well, Stu also thought he had to change the air in his tires monthly until I stopped by and got him straightened out, so you never really know what to believe here....... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:05:27 -0500 From: jsavage agmc.com (Jeff Savage) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap Hello!! I hope that there is someone out there that can help me. I have an 1979 F350 4x4 with a semi-beefed 400ci. I recently acquired a '79 F150 4x2 with a stock 460ci. I would like to be able to build up the 460 and put it into my 1-ton. I have been told many things, from many different people about how easy this may, or may not be. I do know that I will have to buy different engine mounts, for the fact that when I yanked the 460, it had "funky" mounts. I have also been informed about the oil pan. Since I am going into a 4x4 from a 4x2, I will need a different pan. I believe this to be true. Does anybody know of any other "complications" that I may run into while doing this conversion? Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for listening to me babble!! - ------------------------------- Jeff Savage Information Systems Technician ALLIED Group Mortgage 4546 Corporate Drive Suite #100 West Des Moines, IA 50266 Phone: (515)224-7100 Ext. 7262 Fax: (515)224-7115 E-Mail: jsavage agmc.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:04:55 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab William Whited wrote: > Stu, I thought 1974 1/2 was the 1st supercabs. > > Stu Varner wrote: >> I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I mistaken?? While looking through factory literature I came across a flier from Ford introducing the new Supercab for 1974. That's not to say it couldn't happen. I once owned a car I bought late in the model year that had a new motor that supposedly wasn't introduced until the next year. It had a different vin code for the motor which also didn't match the vin code for the same motor the next year. I'm sure it would be impossible to prove that the car came that way originally without the build sheet and factory sticker. Can't say what kind of car or Stu would never speak to me again. My bet is that that '73 for sale is actually a '74. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 and former owner of a '74 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Emission Worries Here is some additional information. >From "Chiltons 1993 edition, Emission Control Systems Application" Key FED - Federal CAL - California M - Manual Transmission A - Automatic Transmission PCV - Positive Crankcase Ventilation TAC - Thermal Air Cleaner AIS - Air Injection System EVP - Evaporative Canister FR - Fill Pipe Restrictor OC - Catalytic Convertor EGR - Exhaust Gas Recirculation SPK - Spark Control - -------------------------------------------------------- 1975 Ford Trucks GVWR 6000 or less FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK 300 X X X X X X X X 1 302 X X X X X X X X 3 3 1 351 X X X X X X X X 1 360 X X X X X X X X 1 390 X X X X X X X 1 460 X X X X X X X X 1 GVWR 6001 or more FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK 300 X X X X X X 330 X X X X X X 8 8 351 X X X X X X 8 8 360 X X X X X X 8 8 361 X X X X X X 8 8 390 X X X X X X 8 8 391 X X X X X X 8 8 460 X X X X X X 8 477 X X X X X X 8 8 534 X X X X X X 8 8 (1) Conventional system (3) Bronco only (8) California only Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:11:20 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint deal >I know this is probably not a Marino-approved solution since I didn't use a >spray can and then do the painting with my eyes closed, but I hope it works >anyway! > >CJ You want to know what really makes me sick CJ? I walked outside this morning and dropped my jaw-- the bed looks better than the rest of the truck!!!! Man, I wish I hadn't spent $250 to do the front half!!!! I can't stop smilin' everytime I look at my "disco rig"!!! Wish I would have done this earlier! Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:16:06 -0500 From: "Brett Yerks" Subject: FTE 61-79 - ramping I had the opportunity to ramp my truck over Memorial weekend. It's a 76 F250 with all 1-ton axles and suspension and 38's. I got a 719 going forward and 741 reverse. Check it out: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird/specs/ramp I'm curious if anyone else has ramped their truck and what numbers you got. Brett 76 F250 460 38's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:14:55 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. I LIKE IT!!!!!!! Stu Varner on 06/10/99 04:11:36 PM Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. >>I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the >>back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what >>that would look like? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.excel-limo.com/ Here you go for a limo pickem up! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:27:49 -0400 From: pdesanto Cinergy.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - I hate "Cats" too ! > From: 61-79-list-digest - # 200 > Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 > > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 > From: "David and Cherie" > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap > > I believe that all engines that run on unleaded petrol need a cat > converter. > Firstly cause that unleaded stuff is so dangerous, etc, etc. > Dave > Dave, I'm not sure I follow your reasoning. The unleaded fuel is required BECAUSE of the Catalytic Converters; not the other way around. Most engines will run just fine on unleaded. They won't know if there's no converter there or not. ( some recent exceptions ) But leaded fuel can ruin a Catalytic Converter in short order. And secondly. What's so dangerous about "unleaded" gas?..........etc, etc? Thanx, Phil 64 F-100 / 63 Galaxie Fstbk. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:04:51 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Suprecab Sorry guys, The truck for sale is a 78 Supercab, I should have been a little clearer. My neighbor had one of the first supercabs years ago when I was a kid, i always thought it was a 73..... Thanks for helping set me straight! I need to all to frequently, Right CJ?? Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu > >While looking through factory literature I came across a flier from Ford >introducing the new Supercab for 1974. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:19:53 -0700 From: MC Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. John Lord wrote: > I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the > back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what > that would look like? Yes. There is a beautiful green and silver '77 F350 Crew/Super cab in the April '99 issue of Four Wheeler magazine. - -- Matt Cozad When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. [||||||]=[|00|]=(|____________________) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:30:20 PDT From: Don Jones Subject: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. Its a bit rusty , but complete. He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? Don Jones. ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:11:28 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Don, I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967, that may even be a little high. They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427 SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250 4x4 of 67 vintage. The word jealous is not even close to my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko???? Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote: >A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. >Its a bit rusty , but complete. >He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i >saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? > >Don Jones. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:26:32 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Stu, Stop drooling! The thoughts of a '67 Merc 4x4 along with your truck too? You may drown if you don't stop! - -Ted Stu Varner on 06/11/99 02:11:28 PM Please respond to 61-79-list ford-trucks.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com cc: (bcc: Ted Freeman/MURPHY_FAMILY_FARMS) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Don, I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967, that may even be a little high. They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427 SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250 4x4 of 67 vintage. The word jealous is not even close to my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko???? Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote: >A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. >Its a bit rusty , but complete. >He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i >saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? > >Don Jones. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:43:33 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 At 12:30 PM 6/11/99 , you wrote: >A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. >Its a bit rusty , but complete. >He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i >saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? > *drool drool* yeah, its pretty rare ... if he ever wants to get rid of it be sure and send him my way! Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:15:51 -0700 From: "J.S.H." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Super Crew Cab "I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what that would look like?" Ther was just such a truck on the cover of "Four Wheeler" a couple of months ago.It's a 78-79 4x4 and I thought it looked pretty good. The magazine may have a website where you could check it out. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:29:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing wish typed out : [Timing discussion snipped] > >I suppose that's one way to find out. I was afraid it would be hard on the > >pistons and bearings if the advance is too much. Differences in power are > >hard to measure on the freeway (especially with silicon valley traffic). > > > No they're not ... just pick a stretch (shortish) and at full throttle see > how long it takes :) Just kidding. Hee.Hee. A friend of mine is playing with a fairly new mi*ta, which he autocrosses and races. One of the first things he did was adding a turbo, and he wanted a way to evaluate tweaks to the system, without having to buy a chassis dyno. He used a laptop computer, along with a digital signal processing (DSP) chip. The DSP is hooked up to tach, throttle position sensor, O2, speedo, etc. He picked a nice flat stretch of road, and starting in a fixed gear, accelerates. Then, a reverse trip, which is averaged with the first data set. He then crunches all the data in the laptop, and came out with torque/horsepower curve, which he "Calibrated" using the factory curves (mutiply by a constant to get the magnitudes to match, the curves themselves were amazingly similar). Then, he starts tweaking away, comparing results against the original curves. There you have it - a homemade laptop dyno. Oh yeah, it also takes the cooperation of his SO to run the dyno while he drives :-) - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:32:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak Jerry wondered: > Hey Listers, > > I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out > the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a > 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the > run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque > converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all > right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be? > Maybe main line pressure too high? - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:33:12 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Was Timing now Removing a rotor - ------------------------------ Bas van der Veer wrote: Awhile ago somebody said you can pull the rotor and put oil inside the distributor shaft. How the hell can this $^*%^ rotor be removed? My manual tells me to pull it, but no sane amount of force can pull it off. Anyone?? My Reply: Bas, I'm having trouble understanding why you would be having trouble removing the rotor. It is only a press fit and not a tight fit at all. For clarification referr to the pictures in the tech article on the Ford-trucks (www.ford-trucks.com) web page titled "Converting a Small Cap 7mm Spark Plug Wire System to a Large Cap 8" There are some pictures there the first picture is of a large diameter distributor cap. Both the large and small diameter caps are held on with spring clips located on each (2) sides of the cap. Using a screwdriver pry these off of the cap (they are permanently attached to the distributor and will pivot at the point they mount to the dizzy). Remove the cap you should see something similar to the second picture. The large gray plastic piece in the photo is the rotor. If yours looks like this then it should simply lift off. If it doesn't then it may have been glued in place. I have never heard of them seizing. Ford did not design them with set screws as did some other manufacturers. If this is what you are pulling on then go get another one before you try to remove the old one 'cause you are probably going to break it and the truck don't go well without one ;0). After you remove the rotor you will see a felt plug in the end of the dizzy shaft and this is what gets a few drops of oil. Usually the dip stick works well for applying it. Good luck Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:35:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Bill wrote: [more timing snipped] > > > One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the > > netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92. > > Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I > > suppose we have higher compression engines. > > It's also possible that there may be difffernt way of rating octane in > Europe. I don't know, of course. We used to have leaded fuel here that > run as high as 105 octane. Back in the '70's most of the premium was > 97-100 octane. Is the fuel in the "Low Countries" unleaded? It's hard > to picture a little DAFodil on 98 octane fuel. Bet that's a mean little > sucker. I've never seen unleaded myself over 93 octane around here. There are at least two methods of measuring octane, in California the number on the pump is the average of the two. The yellow sticker on the pump describes this. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:39:58 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 Ted, A guy and dream right? I can't even imagine thought of a 1967 Merc 250 4x4.........WOW! I guess it's like the very original 1948 Willy's Jeep (Stu, driving a Non-Ford vehicle?? What??) Oh yes! I tried to buy it the other day for a run around vehicle......the thing is soooo beautiful and original. Been sitting in a barn for a long long time. That last owner had it for 40 plus years. I did get promised dibbs on it when he sells it so maybe I can dream about *that* one instead since so few 67-68 Mercs are in the southern part of the US at my disposal! But then, It would be better to have the Jeep and the Merc! right?? hehehehe What a Big dreamer I am!!! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu >Stu, > >Stop drooling! > >The thoughts of a '67 Merc 4x4 along with your truck too? You may drown if you >don't stop! > >-Ted >Don, > >I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967, >that may even be a little high. >They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427 >SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250 >4x4 of 67 vintage. >The word jealous is not even close to >my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko???? > >Stu >Nuke GM! >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu > > >At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote: >>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. >>Its a bit rusty , but complete. >>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i >>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? >> >>Don Jones. > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > > > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:43:32 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing >Hee.Hee. A friend of mine is playing with a fairly new mi*ta, which >he autocrosses and races. Those cars are sweet to watch .. like little go-karts ... heard one grab a second gear scratch the other day in a race with full R compound tires on it ! They're just so cool, I didnt care for the old ones, but the new gen ... impressive. One of the first things he did was adding >a turbo, and he wanted a way to evaluate tweaks to the system, >without having to buy a chassis dyno. He used a laptop computer, >along with a digital signal processing (DSP) chip. The DSP is >hooked up to tach, throttle position sensor, O2, speedo, etc. He >picked a nice flat stretch of road, and starting in a fixed >gear, accelerates. Then, a reverse trip, which is averaged with >the first data set. He then crunches all the data in the laptop, >and came out with torque/horsepower curve, which he "Calibrated" >using the factory curves (mutiply by a constant to get the magnitudes >to match, the curves themselves were amazingly similar). Then, he >starts tweaking away, comparing results against the original curves. > >There you have it - a homemade laptop dyno. Oh yeah, it also takes >the cooperation of his SO to run the dyno while he drives :-) > Or for 139 you can order a G-tech pro and it'll just puke the numbers out for you :) www.mustangworld.com there's a review at the bottom of the page www.gtechpro.com for the device itself ... some people scream about inaccuracy, but as long as its consistant it'll tell you how you're doing. Also careful setup can make it more accurate. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:47:23 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing >There are at least two methods of measuring octane, in California >the number on the pump is the average of the two. The yellow sticker >on the pump describes this. >-- The number on the pump in the US is the average (its a federal thing), if you look it says in parens on the bottom: Octane figured using (R+M)/2 method. One of those is a research method where you have an unknown and a known, and you dilute the known til it behaves the same as the unknown and poof you know your octane rating. The other method I think is a math method where you just calculate everything out. One is consistently higher than the other, so some brainiac came up with the idea of averaging them rather than just picking one. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:52:30 EDT From: MongoCaver aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? especially the funny ones. If anyone's got a spare minute jot a 'short' one down and give us a giggle. >> Don't know if these qualify they aren't really funny but: In 1979 I was 18 and on the way home from visiting my future wife. It was about 2am and I was sleepy. Fell asleep at the wheel. Truck rolled 3 times and landed on its "feet". I woke up about half way thru the first roll. Got out after it stopped and surveyed the damage. Crushed cab and blown front tire. I changed the tire then got back into the truck. Reached down to turn the key, but my knee had broken it off so I put my thumb against the stub and slot and turned the engine over. It kicked right off so I drove it home. Still have the truck, so far it has had 3 cabs, 7 beds and only god knows how many fenders. I retired it last year when I got my F350. I have always despised volkswagons, and especially gave them hell when I was in my Truck. One time one thought it would pass me on a narrow road. Well I sped up so that it was right beside me and couldn't get by. Then I noticed another vehicle coming towards us. I waited till the last second or two, then let off so that the volks would have just enough time to get by. The problem was that my truck didn't let off , it maintained the same rate of acceleration. The volks had to give up and drop behind. Just as soon as it did, my truck let off and the accelerator popped back up. Now you may call it coincedence, but that accelerator never stuck before or after that one instance. I think my old truck hated "Hitler haulers" more than I did. James == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:06:25 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif Could the rear dif from a 65 F100 with semi floating axles be installed into a 69 F250 with full floating axles if they are both Dana 60's? I'm prepared to buy new parts and have it professionally done, but was wondering what the possibilities are. Is the Powerloc the same thing as the 2 piece case, and the trackloc an open type limited slip? Danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:50:36 -0700 From: "Steven Salas" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Chassis Dyno/ tuning Vas van der Veer : As another list member mentioned, a chassis dynomometer is the ideal tool for real world drivabilty testing and tuning. Interestingly enough my brother has one in his machine shop (my 428 is also currently residing there too). I also gather you live somewhere here in the S.F. Bay area, his shop is about 50 miles north of San Francisco. If you are serious about this kind of testing please e-mail me off list and I will give you his address and phone number. This also applies to anyone else on the list who lives in this area and is interested in testing their performance. I should warn you though dyno time is fairly expensive , however usually the gains in horsepower per dollar and the information gained are worth the money. Best Regards, Steve Salas '69 F-250 390 4V (someday I'll finish that 428) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:02:56 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 I dont know how rare it is, but I like it, and if he ever decides to sell, call me! Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:38:28 -0700 From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing WiSH wrote: [Roll-your-own Dyno deleted] > > Or for 139 you can order a G-tech pro and it'll just puke the > numbers out for you :) But Bill! Wouldn't you rather buy a $2000 laptop, a $200 chip, and spend a week over a hot soldering iron building a PC board, rope SWMBO into a day of driving back and forth, and, and, and, $139? Excuse me, I have to go melt some beer cans so I can cast some new pistons :-|. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:34:50 -0500 From: "Norm" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C-6 Transmission Leak Jerry! It sounds to me like you have a worn front pump seal.....and i warn you....probably a worn front pump bushing as well! Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=231 > Hey Listers, > > I have a C-6 transmission in my 1970 Camper Special that leaks fluid out > the front seal when running at higher speeds (65-70). The truck has a > 4.10 gear. This Started after about 150 miles of driving. I checked the > run out on the flex plate, has a new front seal, and the torque > converter is new. If I hold the speed down to about 55 the it is all > right. I know drive slow! Any ideas what the problem might be? . > > Thanks, > > Jerry Barr > > 1970 Camper Special == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:44:29 -0700 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive for F100 FE OK, I found where I posted it before (These are for used parts and O/D's): Try Fatsco 1-800-524-0485 ask for Mike or Blumenthal's 405-232-9557 Also, the guy who was talking about using it with a C4 or C6, sorry, they are for manual transmissions. I think that the O/D bolts up only to a Borg Warner such as my T89. Sorry again, the are not adjustable and as far as I know, they come in one ratio only- .7:1. For the other guy who has trouble engaging after freewheeling, it sounds like the small springs in the O/D are worn out. Replaced mine. I know where you can get them! Also, it is supposed to freewheel when in! There are two phases to the O/D- mechanical and electrical. The mechanical will work without the electrical; but the electrical will not work without the mechanical. If you are inclined to take yours apart, they are tricky. The shop manuals don't give the proper information- so get back to me first and I'll give you some hints. Tim 66F100 352 w/O/D P/S and Custom Cab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:49:10 -0500 From: "Brett L. Habben" Subject: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries Maurice, I found the sticker and this is what it says: Date: 07/75 GVWR: 5700 GAWR Front: 3220 Rear: 3220 This vehicle conforms to all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle safety standards in effect on the date of manufacture shown above. F01507R0439 ( Looks like this '75 F100 did not meet the 6000 lb. emission exemption (?). The exhaust runners on the heads have small pipe plugs where the AIR pump pipes would be installed. Currently the motorcraft 2 bbl bolts directly to the iron intake; no spacer or any EGR anywhere. The dist. advance vacuum line goes straight to the carb. The fuel gauge reads "Unleaded Gasoline Only". So, did this thing have a catalytic converter, EGR, AIR pump, none of the above, all of the above? I just read the Texas statues covering vehicle inspections and they are very vague, leaving alot up to the inspector. It's mainly a visual check, no sniffer tests in my county yet, but just wait 5 years. I'd hate to dump a bunch of money into this one just putting it back stock. Maybe I'll start looking for a '74 Supercab (pre-federal emissions?). Thanks, Brett >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries >Hey Bret, > First of all, you need to see if it is a federal model...to find this out, >look on the inside of the door jam, there should be a blue sticker, or grey >or metal. It should tell you exactly what it is and what it conforms to. I >have a 1976 Ford E250 Club Wagon with a 460, and it too has no equipment on >it, because it's a federal model. The sticker should tell you that it >comforms to either state or federal requirements. Please write me back and >let me know, I am a mechanic and know these things. Hope this helped and >look forward to talking to you again. >Maurice Nielsen, >76 E-250 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:06:45 -0500 From: "Brett L. Habben" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 70's crew cabs There are a surprising number of 70's crew cabs still running around here in Texas. The majority have been used hard as commercial vehicles, but every so often a clean one pops up for sale. I would image that anywhere in the Southwest USA you could find a nice one. How would you get it back up there? Is it cost effective? Adios, Brett '75 Supercab At 08:19 PM 6/9/99 , you wrote: >Ok that was the easy part.........Now where can I get one :-) > >The wife wants me to spend up to 1/2 the price of a new one, and build her a >"new one" just the way she wants it. Plus easy emissions, low insurance, and >no monthly payment damn I love my wife. So Looking for a 78-79 crew cab, >decent body, mech condition un-important (price dependent). Other years >(prior to 78 ) would be interesting also. Oh ya, would be damn helpful if >the vehicle in question was in Alaska :-) > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:15:45 -0700 From: "bertolin" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Built Ford Tough? When I 1st got my truck the tail gate wouldn't come down. I tried and tried and even enlisted my brother's help and we couldn't get it to budge. I took the latch apart and un-did some jimmy rigging by a previous owner along with squirting oil on everything that appeared to be a moving part (kinda hard to see the moving parts with the tail gate up). This was all to no avail. I resigned to having to haul the yard trimmings etc to the dump with the tail gate up. A couple weeks later I was at the dump preparing to unload a bed full of tree trimmings etc. One of the guys in the spot next to me kept watching me as I was taking the tarp off. Before I knew it, he had the tail gate down and was unloading the bed for me. It has worked great ever since. I don't know how long it would have taken me to try it again. I probably would have gone on for months resigned to the fact that the tail gate was stuck shut, doing a climb job loading and unloading all that great stuff I haul in my truck. > The best thing about our trucks are the experiences we've all had, > especially the funny ones. If anyone's got a spare minute jot a 'short' > one down and give us a giggle. > The silliest thing I did was a loooooong time ago when I first started > driving my partner's '75, 351c F100. It went something like this snip ~ snip >> Yes, I am a woman driver ............... and proud of it! Ditto to the above statement. Roberta with 1965 custom cab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:37:12 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford memories was Built Ford Tough I loved reading about these. Bein around Fords all my life, I can think of a number of stories. The first clear memories I have are of helping dad build his 75 4x4. We worked side by side on that truck. Of course bein 5 I didn't do much, but I did help. One thing I remember was setting the cab on the frame. With the tires off of one side of the truck, a few 2x4s and a come-along, we slid that cab right up in our garage. Dad worked the come-along, I watched the 2x4s to make sure they weren't goin anywhere. A few months after this, I can recall the very first time I went wheelin with him. I was sitting next to the truck, Playing with my hot wheels, and dad came around and said "Are you ready?" I asked for what, and he said we were goin 4 wheelin. I immediately asked, "whats that?" With a big smile on his face he said hed show me. Well, we went out to the dunes and got buried on the first Razor back we hit. That night I also learned what the small folding shovel dad had was for. There we were, side by side, trying to free this big F-250 from the sand. Dad being very enthusiastic about his truck, had buried it to the body because he didn't wanna give up. (Keep in mind this is a hi-boy F-250 sitting on 38.5 mudders). It took us awhile to get her free, but we did. I remember feeling the cool sand between my toes (took my shoes off). I was lovin every minute of it. To this day I think one of the best parts of wheelin is the rescue. Well in good wheelin fashion, after the truck was free we went at it again. This time we made it. After a lil more playing we drove the truck home and gave it a once over. Okay dad did, because by this time it was midnight, and I was zonkered. That was my first wheelin trip. I guess its been awhile now, comin up on 16 years ago that happened. But even now I get a smile thinkin about it. I hope you did readin about it. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:45:05 EDT From: JPatte5238 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? Story, Last month I came home from work and my wife, the Misses next door were around her lawn mower. When I got out of the truck, my wife said that she was glad to see me. She said, the next door Misses took the lawn mower out for the first time to cut the grass. She was doing a great job until the mower stop. Yep, you guest it, she ran out of gas. So she went next door and borrowed some fuel from the other neighbor. (The other neighbor was a grandma baby-sitting) She did a great job of filling the mower and continued to mow the grass. One minute later or less, smoke poured out of the mower. Yep, you guest it again, she filled it up with diesel. Worried that her husband would find out, she asked me to get the mower running again. After changing the fuel in the tank, cleaning the plug several times and killing the masses west of Chicago from the smoke. The mower was running like a top. She finished the job in a neatly fashion and put the mower away safe and sound with the hubby never to find out about the incident. The only thing she forgot about was little Johnny. He was on daddy's lap spilling the beans faster than a dress on prom night. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:15:04 EDT From: Lion5859 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More Emission Worries Hey Bret, It sounds like you have a federal model and there were apparrently no cats on there either. My van is a 76 federal model, runs on unleaded and has no cats or air pump, egr or anything. I would say that the 390 2v is stock for that truck of yours, unless you bought it from someone that had done a conversion before you got it. I would say run with it and see what the inspectors have to say about it, but keep me informed. If there is anything I can help you with along the way, just let me know, I'll be here watching for you. if you have aol, IM me and we can talk. If not, get and download Instant Messanger and you can talk to me that way...okay? Maurice 76 E 250 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:26:41 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap you need a oil pan for a 1978 e350 van with a 460, along with the pick up tube, and dip stick, use 390 truck mounts (Must be modified), if you have a 4 spd, you need a 390 flywheel, i think i had to modify the alternator bracket, its pretty low on the 460, i raised mine up some to clear the frame. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:32:34 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 just goes to show you, there is still some neat stuff out there. i'm still looking for that 65 shelby sitting in a barn. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:30:36 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 rear dif Before I removed the diferential cover, I asked... > Could the rear dif from a 65 F100 with semi floating axles be installed > into a 69 F250 with full floating axles if they are both Dana 60's? I'm > prepared to buy new parts and have it professionally done, but was wondering > what the possibilities are. > > Is the Powerloc the same thing as the 2 piece case, and the trackloc an open > type limited slip? ............ The cover is off, and I'm looking at a 2 piece case inside a housing with 60-2 written on the top and a drain plug on the bottom. Hmmm... I didn't think they had drain plugs in 65? Somebody please tell me I can use this 2 piece case from a 65 F100 in my 69 F250, as I'm very interested in upgrading the regular rear axle. Danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:19:18 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 67 merc m-250 4x4 At 01:11 PM 11/06/99 -0500, you wrote: You guys wrote: >Don, > >I think production numbers are around 2,000 for all Mercury trucks of 1967, >that may even be a little high. >They are rarer than hens teeth! You stand a better chance of locating a 427 >SOHC (for $100.00) in a crate somewhere in Dearborn than finding an M-250 >4x4 of 67 vintage. >The word jealous is not even close to >my thoughts on this particular truck right now! Right Marko???? > >Stu >Nuke GM! >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu > > >At 10:30 AM 6/11/99 PDT, you wrote: >>A guy i know just bought a 1967 m-250 4 wheel drive. >>Its a bit rusty , but complete. >>He told me that he was buying a ford, but i saw it at his place yesterday, i >>saw that he had a merc. Does anybody know how rare this truck is? >> >>Don Jones. > OK, you have my attention. Sounds awesome, to have a stock one at that. Just one question though.... Is it running a 410? .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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