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61-79-list-digest Friday, June 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 200 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - 9" Rear End Questions Re: FTE 61-79 - Propane Info (Engines) FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries Re: FTE 61-79 - 9" Rear End Questions Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology Re: FTE 61-79 - It's Alive... Woohooo! Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab FTE 61-79 - Track Bar Solutions FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - solved Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it. FTE 61-79 - Brake Lights WORK!!!!!!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6 Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6 Re: FTE 61-79 - timing Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab FTE 61-79 - Overdrive FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting FTE 61-79 - Question about differential. Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Re: FTE 61-79 - timing FTE 61-79 - Cheap Paint! Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lights WORK!!!!!!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - Cheap Paint! FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:06:14 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 9" Rear End Questions > It Started to make a growling noise yesterday. I jacked it up and ran it but > the noise is resonating under the truck and I cant quite pinpoint it. The > sounds like a bad set of bias ply tires. It is loudest at low speeds Try taking it for a test drive around town. Then check the axle flanges to see if they're warm. A warm flange means a bad wheel bearing. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:54:20 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Propane Info (Engines) With my last car it went up 5 miles per gallon based on a direct comparison of fuel used and not prices of fuel. the same with the 300 I-6. But where i am the price of gasoline is 60.5 cents per liter and the price for propane is 31.9 cents. Because propane does not produce the carbons that gas does if you put a rebuilt engine on propane right away it can take years of light driving to seat the rings and stop the blowby. with my 351W i broke the engine in on gas for about 7000 miles and then converted and i am finding that my engine is still breaking in and my milage seems to be going up. I have just started to monitor the actual milage and will be posting it later this week. A neet example i found is that on a monthly log trip i make was that my truck with the old 300 I-6 (on gas) would cost me about $20.00 one way, the exact same as my 6300 pound 4 door 1977 Crysler NewYorker with a 440Cu engine on propane. With the 351W on propane in the same truck it costs about $12.00 doing the speed limit (80 to 90 Kph) and about $17.00 speeding at around 130 to 160 kph. Sean O'Malley wrote: > > What's the mileage like with propane? > > --sean > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:05:38 -0700 From: John Lord Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. I finally removed my old crysler from my property today. Nobody seemed to want my performance built for propane 440Cu engine so i have to store it at a friends (he is a dodge nut anyway). I did this so i would have room to do an engine swap of a desperate young girl with a hyundai. My friend is taking his 72 Ford Pinto away (sigh) the one with the 429Cu under the hood. But he said i could have a truck for free if i take the rear end out and put it in his truck. So now i have a 1975 F100 supercab for parts, I was dissapointed by the shape of the body (it was beaten by an ugly stick) but i popped the hood and hey i now own a well used 428Cu engine with Holley 4bbl. I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what that would look like? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:01:35 EDT From: Lion5859 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries Hey Bret, First of all, you need to see if it is a federal model...to find this out, look on the inside of the door jam, there should be a blue sticker, or grey or metal. It should tell you exactly what it is and what it conforms to. I have a 1976 Ford E250 Club Wagon with a 460, and it too has no equipment on it, because it's a federal model. The sticker should tell you that it comforms to either state or federal requirements. Please write me back and let me know, I am a mechanic and know these things. Hope this helped and look forward to talking to you again. Maurice Nielsen, 76 E-250 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:17:48 EDT From: Lion5859 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's Hey There, I can sympathize with you cause I own a 76 E 250 Club Wagon with a 460 and it's a federal model. But the thing is that I live north of you in Maple Hts. just SE of Cleveland. In Cincinnatti the laws aren't as stringent as they are here, so you might be able to get away with your truck being the way it is, especially when it comes from out of state....keep me posted. Maurice Nielsen 76 E 250 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:56:30 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology > > the truck and the estimated weight of the driver (usually 180 pounds). >> > >Im not sure how well this fits, as my F-350 has a 10,000 GVW. Near as I can >tell I can haul over 3000 lbs in the bed, possibly more. (dont know the net >weight) And its still a single wheel. Goin Dually lets me go to 12,000 I >believe. > I think this was a name that just kind of stuck to differentiate the trucks ... it was true for quite a while it sounds like, but I doubt its very close any more ... not to mention what the truck can really do vs. what its rated for can be quite different, my theory is that it was true at one time, and as things got heavier and heavier duty, then they still kept the names just to distinguish them from one another, that way you don't need to know that a K10 is the same as a 1500 is the same as an F100 or later F150, or F1 ... you just call them all 1/2 tons and everyone knows if you say a ford half ton then you mean F100 if its pre 7? and F150 if its post 83 ... and either F100 or F150 for the years between ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:58:51 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab At 08:19 PM 6/9/99 , you wrote: >Ok that was the easy part.........Now where can I get one :-) > >The wife wants me to spend up to 1/2 the price of a new one, and build her a >"new one" just the way she wants it. Plus easy emissions, low insurance, and >no monthly payment damn I love my wife. So Looking for a 78-79 crew cab, >decent body, mech condition un-important (price dependent). Other years >(prior to 78 ) would be interesting also. Oh ya, would be damn helpful if >the vehicle in question was in Alaska :-) > Are you talkin crew cab or super cab ? The crew cab is the 4 door truck, the super cab is what is generically called the extended cab today ... neither will be easy to find ... or cheap. You might check Hemmings Motor News, they have lots of neato stuff in there, some of its pretty neato priced too though ... good luck in the search ... just be sure and keep straight which one you're lookin at. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:12:55 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. > My >friend is taking his 72 Ford Pinto away (sigh) the one with the 429Cu >under the hood. But he said i could have a truck for free if i take the >rear end out and put it in his truck. > That's the first time I've ever heard someone who was sad to see a Pinto leave ... but hey free truck ... >So now i have a 1975 F100 supercab for parts, I was dissapointed by the >shape of the body (it was beaten by an ugly stick) but i popped the hood >and hey i now own a well used 428Cu engine with Holley 4bbl. > A real 428, or an FE ? better check it, lots of guys have bought them thinkin they're 390's and finding they were 360's on teardown ... with a stroke of nearly 4" it should be pretty easy to calculate with a wire/stick in the spark plug hole .... >I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the >back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what >that would look like? Hmmm... Probably similar to that conversion they were doin to D*dge a while ago where they took an extended cab and put a sleeper portion behind it in the bed ... long truck, not much cargo area ... though yours would have to extend the frame or swap to a short bed ... if the spacing worked out for the rear wheels ... that would be quite a trick .. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:17:30 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries >All this emissions talk has me worried about my 'improved' truck. It >currently has no smog pump, EGR, cat. converters etc. Does anybody know >what my truck is supposed to have for emissions equipment? It's a >49-state '75 F100 Supercab longbed, powered by a 390 2v, with a C6 >automatic. Everyday I pray for the continued excellant health of Angela, >the neighborhood vehicle inspector...... I would think that the EGR would be the only piece that came stock on that ... a 390 2V ? wow, I thought they quit makin those in the late 60's ... must be a truck thing :) The reason I say this is that the 76 motor I got had all the accessories still bolted on to it, and the AIR pump was not one of them, nor were there any thermactor pieces, but it was an EGR intake manifold. I can't guarantee that it was never messed with, but the internals were all stock, and the heads were a 72 part number, so those didn't change any ... the exhaust manifolds were different on the driver's side between the 74 and 76, but it was only the flapper that blocks the exhaust off until the motor warms up. If you need an EGR baseplate I have one that I could probably swap with you. I'd like to keep a base plate of some sort, or you're welcome to the whole motor, its a 74 360. Needs an oil pan, a pickup screen for the pump, and a main cap bolt ... could stand a rebuild, but wasn't usin any oil yet when I pulled it. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:53:08 +0800 From: "David and Cherie" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 9" Rear End Questions Is it a LSD? If it is try changing the oil in it. you may be suprised with the results. Dave >It Started to make a growling noise yesterday. I jacked it up and ran it but >the noise is resonating under the truck and I cant quite pinpoint it. The >sounds like a bad set of bias ply tires. It is loudest at low speeds 25mph. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:34 +0800 From: "David and Cherie" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap I believe that all engines that run on unleaded petrol need a cat converter. Firstly cause that unleaded stuff is so dangerous etc etc. Dave, A miriad of Ford Cars and Hardtops and soon to be owner of a F350. >First, are you sure your truck needs a catalytic converter? My 78 F-150 >4x4 with 400M has a valve cover which, once I peeled the paint off, had a >sticker that clearly states non-catalyst. I think over 6000 lbs GVWR >doesn't require one till 1980. All 4x4's are over 6000 GVWR. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:49:27 +0800 From: "David and Cherie" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology I am just about to procure a F350 and on the compliance plate it is stamped as 10000 GVW. I have checked with the dealer's and service books which confirm that it is 2 1/2 tonne (metric) rated, this particular unit already has duellies as standard. it has a 4000 lb tare Dave Australia Soon to be owner of F350 > of > the truck and the estimated weight of the driver (usually 180 pounds). >> > >Im not sure how well this fits, as my F-350 has a 10,000 GVW. Near as I can >tell I can haul over 3000 lbs in the bed, possibly more. (dont know the net >weight) And its still a single wheel. Goin Dually lets me go to 12,000 I >believe. > >Darrell Duggan >74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:19:14 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - It's Alive... Woohooo! > I just finished taking my red 69 F250 for test drive after building and >installing a new balanced 390 with 4 bbl 600 CFM Holley, and WOW it's very >smooth! So what if I got a few funny looks, just because I didn't have the >hood on yet and all my tools were still sitting on the fenders... It was >running so smooth, I just had to do it! > Congratulations, believe me I know how you feel. Last night I was finally able to get the brake line replaced on my truck and get it back on the road! aren't those balanced motors great ? :) this is the 3rd one I've driven now and I love em ! Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 05:21:15 -0800 From: "Erik Marquez" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Well then in is the decision. We really want a Crew cab, but so far from all the searching I've done, I may....ooops I mean she just may have to settle for a super cab. Thanks for asking though. Erik Marquez bronco78 mosquitonet.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78 Home of the BB decal Bronco 78 in the BB chat room - -----Original Message----- From: William S Hart To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 5:03 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab >At 08:19 PM 6/9/99 , you wrote: >>Ok that was the easy part.........Now where can I get one :-) >> >>The wife wants me to spend up to 1/2 the price of a new one, and build her a >>"new one" just the way she wants it. Plus easy emissions, low insurance, and >>no monthly payment damn I love my wife. So Looking for a 78-79 crew cab, >>decent body, mech condition un-important (price dependent). Other years >>(prior to 78 ) would be interesting also. Oh ya, would be damn helpful if >>the vehicle in question was in Alaska :-) >> > >Are you talkin crew cab or super cab ? The crew cab is the 4 door truck, >the super cab is what is generically called the extended cab today ... >neither will be easy to find ... or cheap. You might check Hemmings Motor >News, they have lots of neato stuff in there, some of its pretty neato >priced too though ... > >good luck in the search ... just be sure and keep straight which one you're >lookin at. > > >Just my 2cents > >wish > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 06:34:25 -0700 From: "Scott Jensen" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Track Bar Solutions Hi everybody, I appreciate everyones input! When I get to work I'm going to make a call to the number Norm gave, and see whats up with that rebuild kit. Although I've seen them set up other ways, my bracket is cast to the housing, 3/4" hole, no threads. The bolt pops in from behind. Welding it will be a last ditch effort. As for the drilling, if you ever meet someone with a Milwaukee mag mount drill press, become buddys. The thing weighs about 25#, but you can press it up to a steel plate holizontally, power on, and just try to pull it off! I build and repair communication towers and we use it a lot, but it is a bit spendy to just have in the garage. I'm lucky enough to work at a place with 5 4X4's and a snow cat, and get paid to use them. The problem is, they're all chevy's! Later all == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:49:57 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - solved Hey Norm, Well, this is the best solution so far, and Longmont is only 10 miles up the road from me.... Good work! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:15:08 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's > I was in Cincinnati the week of May 20th seemed to be a nice place. Stayed > up at the King's Island area. Anyway there is no way the state could tell > your 429 from a 460. If you go to a wrecking yard and get the decal > describing the 460 pollution system along with the system. Should be > relatively cheap? But, then you would still have the lack of cats to contend > with. Oh well, just a thought. What you want to pass a visual inspection is for the plumbing and valving to match your vehicle's smog configuration. I'm not sure what year they started using it, but try to find the calibration code on the vehicle somewhere. It's location varies, but there should be an alphanumeric code that you can look up at most dealership service departments. This will tall you what you have, and will provide diagrams to restore it by. If you are swapping engines of the same family, put the valve cover with your sticker on the new engine, especially if it has the calibration code on it. I'd imagine the inspector will get a little grumpy if they have to look up anything more than neccessary. Also, if they find a 429 label whare a 460 should have been, you know what they'll say. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 11:26:53 PDT From: "jeff loosier" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab someone stated in a earlier post that 74 was the first year for the crew cab but ive seen one around here in nw Alabama that is a 68 Thanks Jeff L == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 11:33:31 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab >someone stated in a earlier post that 74 was the first year for >the crew cab but ive seen one around here in nw Alabama >that is a 68 > The question was for a super cab, not a crew cab, that's why ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:07:35 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries Brett L. Habben wrote: Folks, All this emissions talk has me worried about my 'improved' truck. It currently has no smog pump, EGR, cat. converters etc. Does anybody know what my truck is supposed to have for emissions equipment? It's a 49-state '75 F100 Supercab longbed, powered by a 390 2v, with a C6 automatic. Everyday I pray for the continued excellant health of Angela, the neighborhood vehicle inspector...... Thanks for any info, Brett My reply: Brett, Stop worrying and go talk to your inspector. I have a 76 F-150 that is equipped the exact same way yours is. It is strongly possible yours is stock. Do you see any evidence of tampering -- places for missing brackets to mount, plugged passages etc? I can't say for certian on your situation because of 2 things. 1. The F-150 while still a half-ton was offered to avoid having to put emissions equipment on a half-ton. The F-100 was under the GVWR minimum to escape emissions hardware. 2. Your's is a year older so it may be before the requirements hit. Another thing you can look for is on the gas guage is there a decal specifying unleaded fuel only. If there is not one then I would say your truck never came with cats and probably none of the other hardware either (except for a PCV). The only real way you can know is check with an inspection station or if your state has one a referee. When I was in CA there was usually no problem in consulting them to be able to prepare your vehicle for the inspection. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:16:18 -0700 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - I KNEW it. - ------------------------------ I always thought so but now, looking below, I KNOW .... the Lord DOES drive a Ford truck !!!!! John, great address man. ;0) > Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 02:39:54 -0700 > From: John Lord > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alternative fuels, anyone? Seriously, with regards to the danger or toxicity of burning propane, I have operated propane powered agri equipment and they burn so cleanly that the exhaust does not smell noxious or burn your eyes. Secondly if a forklift is to be used inside and it has a combustion engine instead of batteries it is powered by propane. I've also seen propane powered floor buffers used indoors. I think propane produces much less or maybe no carbon monoxide. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:35:21 -0700 From: Brett Withers Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lights WORK!!!!!!!! Thanks everyone for all the help and the e-mails! The ground tab on the light socket was slightly bent and had a small amount of corrosion under the gasket. After attempting in various ways to ground the bulb I slipped the probe from my ohm meter under the ground tab and surprise I got light. Leave it to a bunch of blue oval guys to help me out. Thanks again. RBW 65 F-100 352 police interceptor 74 bronco 78 bronco >>I'll try this again. I have a 78 bronco and the drivers side brake light will not work when the headlights are on. I've checked the switch, bulb, circuit, and all the wiring I can see. The brake light works fine when the headlights are off. The brakelight and taillight are separate filaments so I can't figure out what is shorting out. Help. Brett, You have a bad ground at the bulb. When the headlights are off, the brake light grounds through the tail light bulb hot side. When you turn on the head lights, that wire turns to +12 (actually +13.8) and the ground path goes away. No more brake light (or turn signal or 4 way flasher on that side). One of my rear bulb holders broke the wire off inside where it is crimped to the holder. I drilled a couple of 1/4 inch holes in the right place, soldered the connection, then used silicone to seal the hole I drilled. You could just as well replace the bulb holder at very little expense. Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:11:36 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Old problems and new friends. >>I was told to chop off the "Super" portion of the cab and add it to the >>back of the Crew Cab i own and make a Limo truck. Can anyone pictue what >>that would look like? http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.excel-limo.com/ Here you go for a limo pickem up! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:19:09 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I mistaken?? There is one here in Tennessee for 6200 (way over priced). It needs paint and a new floor patch panel on drivers side. Did I mention it is a 4x4 F-150 with front leaf springs? I opted against it for that price. It has been for sale for over 6 months, Obviously! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 11:33 AM 6/10/99 -0500, you wrote: >>someone stated in a earlier post that 74 was the first year for >>the crew cab but ive seen one around here in nw Alabama >>that is a 68 >> >The question was for a super cab, not a crew cab, that's why ... > > >Just my 2cents > >wish > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:31:07 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing >>I tried using my manifold vacuum but that pulls the ignition to about 30 >>BTDC right at idle, that can't be right. >> >It will dial in some more advance at idle than it would if you timed it >with the advance disconnected, as long as it doesn't ping it should be >fine. As soon as you step on the gas (or slightly after) it should go >right back to what it would've been if you had the ported vac. That's why >this mostly affects "tip in" or just off idle .. Hmm, good point. My reasoning was that even on the freeway you are only driving half throttle or something, so at that point the vacuum advance is still present, and combined with the 3000 rpm centrifugal advance it is too much. True? >>Unfortunately I do not have the vacuum diagram for this engine. But frankly >>the vacuum advance does not seem to be doing a whole lot. If I look at my >>timing while cracking open the gas, it only advances after a second or so. >>Does anybody know some backyard mechanic type of tests I can do to find out >>more about this? >> >This just means you have the ported vacuum, its going to be delayed until >you hit the gas, and then it may still show some delay because of the time >it takes to affect the air in the hose and create the vacuum ... >Try switching to manifold and see what happens, you want to time it with I suppose that's one way to find out. I was afraid it would be hard on the pistons and bearings if the advance is too much. Differences in power are hard to measure on the freeway (especially with silicon valley traffic). Does anybody know how much it costs to take it to a shop that has one of those rollers to measure power output? That would be cool, you can measure all sorts of stuff at freeway speeds and tinker with it while keeping an eye on the vacuum and power output. I am sure that would get you a couple dozen of extra hp's. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:51:55 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing >When you are at cruising speed, the vacuam advance comes back in. When >combined with initial and centrifugal advance, it will improve your >highway economy dramatically. When you jump on the gas, the vacuam >advance goes away, that's where having enough initial and an agressive >enough centrifugal curve (all in by 2500 rpms) comes into play. Power "agressive enough" - does this mean it is variable? I always thought (read:assumed) the centrifugal advance was fixed, or at least could not be changed without replacing parts. Darn, yet another thing I can go and screw up and I did not even know about it :)) Awhile ago somebody said you can pull the rotor and put oil inside the distributor shaft. How the hell can this $^*%^ rotor be removed? My manual tells me to pull it, but no sane amount of force can pull it off. Anyone?? >in certain conditions depends on how well the timing combination is >dialed to the combination of compression, fuel, gearing and weight. Too >much timing, compression, weight, too tall a gear, or low octane fuel, >and you get pinging. One of the things I noticed when I moved here (california) from the netherlands is that the octane is much lower. We only have 87, 89 and 92. Some states even have 85. In the netherlands I have only seen 95 and 98. I suppose we have higher compression engines. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:56:47 -0700 From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6 At 09:00 AM 6/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >Is there anyway I can mount a C6 to my '67 240? Right now I have the Ford >3-spd manual. If so, can ya'll help me as to what I need to do to put it on? >Any help would be appreciated. There is a company called "Advances adapters" somewhere here in the san francisco bay area. I know of them because a friend of mine got parts there to mount his '69 302 / 3sp standard to a '96 AOD transmission. You can try an internet search, if you can't find them I can ask my friend for their contact info. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:04 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6 www.advanceadapters.com "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Bas van der Veer To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 2:16 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6 >At 09:00 AM 6/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >>Is there anyway I can mount a C6 to my '67 240? Right now I have the Ford >>3-spd manual. If so, can ya'll help me as to what I need to do to put it on? >>Any help would be appreciated. > >There is a company called "Advances adapters" somewhere here in the san >francisco bay area. I know of them because a friend of mine got parts there >to mount his '69 302 / 3sp standard to a '96 AOD transmission. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:51:01 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing >>>I tried using my manifold vacuum but that pulls the ignition to about 30 >>>BTDC right at idle, that can't be right. >>> >>It will dial in some more advance at idle than it would if you timed it >>with the advance disconnected, as long as it doesn't ping it should be >>fine. As soon as you step on the gas (or slightly after) it should go >>right back to what it would've been if you had the ported vac. That's why >>this mostly affects "tip in" or just off idle .. > >Hmm, good point. My reasoning was that even on the freeway you are only >driving half throttle or something, so at that point the vacuum advance is >still present, and combined with the 3000 rpm centrifugal advance it is too >much. True? > You are correct, but on the freeway your ported vacuum will be similar to the manifold vacuum because your throttle won't be closed. The only time ported vacuum closes off is when the throttle is closed, otherwise it should react very similarly to manifold... >I suppose that's one way to find out. I was afraid it would be hard on the >pistons and bearings if the advance is too much. Differences in power are >hard to measure on the freeway (especially with silicon valley traffic). > No they're not ... just pick a stretch (shortish) and at full throttle see how long it takes :) Just kidding. >Does anybody know how much it costs to take it to a shop that has one of >those rollers to measure power output? These are called Chassis Dynos, they're all over, check with your local stang crowd, they will probably know ... performance tuners and high end shops will advertise it too I would expect. >That would be cool, you can measure >all sorts of stuff at freeway speeds and tinker with it while keeping an >eye on the vacuum and power output. I am sure that would get you a couple >dozen of extra hp's. > Oh yeah, a dyno tuned car can get you LOTS more power, especially if you start playing with the electronics ... Hope this helped a little ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 16:37:01 -0400 From: William A Whited Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab Stu, I thought 1974 1/2 was the 1st supercabs. I read somewhere that 1975 was the 1st full production year for the supercab. I have a 74 with the jump seats in the back instead of the bench. But I may be wrong about the years as far as production. Actually I read it in "Trucks" or something magazine that had a 50th year special for the F series. Stu Varner wrote: > I thought 1973 was the first year for factory supercabs......Am I mistaken?? > There is one here in Tennessee for 6200 (way over priced). > It needs paint and a new floor patch panel on drivers side. Did I mention > it is a 4x4 F-150 with front > leaf springs? I opted against it for that price. It has been for sale > for over 6 months, Obviously! > > Stu > Nuke GM! > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu > > At 11:33 AM 6/10/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>someone stated in a earlier post that 74 was the first year for > >>the crew cab but ive seen one around here in nw Alabama > >>that is a 68 > >> > >The question was for a super cab, not a crew cab, that's why ... > > > > > >Just my 2cents > > > >wish > > > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html > >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html > >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- William A Whited 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390 77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302 79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK) "IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:12:03 -0700 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Hi, I have the external overdrive on my 66 and its works good. There should be no problem puting it on a 390 and an 68F100. remenber it takes a kickdown switch on the gas pedal and a relay on the firewall. Also, you will need the cable and handle on the dash. I have the schematic for the whole mess if you are interested. My parts book shows the overdrive being active from 64 thru 72; but I know that Ford, Lincoln and Merc used them on cars trucks and vans since the fourties. When I inquire about my unit, the parts clerks refer to it as the "big" one. It is a T85N-1A and it is original to my truck. I listed some sources for O/D's a while back and I could find them again if anyone is interested. The ratio for my unit is 1:1 and .7:1 in O/D. I guess that you would be running at .7 x 3800= 2660 down the freeway. Write back if you are interested in more info. Tim 66F100 SWB O/D and P/S Custom Cab (Kind of unique) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:31:31 -0700 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting Wish, Wouldn't the truck shake itself apart if the flywheel was warped severly. My truck shook when the flywheel was about .010-.012" from being flat. I can't imagine anyone worrying about hot starting if it was shaking itself apart at the seems. I'd be glad it didn't start! Also, has anyone actually had a problem with the starter getting hot and put a heat shield on it to cure hot starting problems. Most of the guys are relating that they try all that stuff and the problem was still there. At least that is similar to what I experienced. I changed parts until the cows came home and they still tunrned over slow when Hot!!!! (Not the cows) Tim 66F100 SWB 352 O/D and P/S == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:55:40 -0400 From: jdklaers magicnet.net (PredFan) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Question about differential. Mine could use rebuilding. I've got a '71 F 100. Could anyone who's done this before tell me about it? How hard will it be to get new parts? Can a shade tree mechanic do it? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks John - ----------------------------------- Deja Fu: The feeling you get that somehow, somewhere, you've been kicked in the head like this before. - ----------------------------------- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:54:46 EDT From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab In a message dated 6/10/99 9:29:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jloosier airnet.net writes: the crew cab but ive seen one around here in nw Alabama that is a 68 >> Nope, I said 74 was the first year for Super cab, Crew Cabs have been around for a LONG time. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:47:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive > I have the external overdrive on my 66 and its works good. There should be > no problem puting it on a 390 and an 68F100. remenber it takes a kickdown > switch on the gas pedal and a relay on the firewall. Also, you will need I have a '78 bronco and a C6 transmission .. don't know the transfer case type. Would it be possible to install an overdrive? Would it go after the transfer case? Does it come down to keep the driveshaft at a reasonable angle? I would probably need a new driveshaft to begin with. > them again if anyone is interested. The ratio for my unit is 1:1 and .7:1 > in O/D. I guess that you would be running at .7 x 3800= 2660 down the > freeway. Write back if you are interested in more info. I would get a .5 to one if that's available. I am sure my engine can run my truck at 1900 rpm at flat grounds. Then at hills you turn it off. Hmm but if it goes behind the transfer case the speedometer goes to half the speed too. I guess then it goes inbetween the transmision and the transfer case? I have never seen an external overdrive setup. Bas. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:48:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive > I have the external overdrive on my 66 and its works good. There should be whoops, I wish I had the C6. I have a C4 transmission. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 04:00:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bas van der Veer Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing > >Hmm, good point. My reasoning was that even on the freeway you are only > >driving half throttle or something, so at that point the vacuum advance is > >still present, and combined with the 3000 rpm centrifugal advance it is too > >much. True? > > > You are correct, but on the freeway your ported vacuum will be similar to > the manifold vacuum because your throttle won't be closed. The only time > ported vacuum closes off is when the throttle is closed, otherwise it > should react very similarly to manifold... I'll try it then. The original setup had some sort of switch on the coolant manifold that had both ported and manifold vacuum going to it. But the switch appears to be broken, there is no vacuum whatsoever on the other side of it. It is probably some emission control thing that doesn't make your engine run any better. > >I suppose that's one way to find out. I was afraid it would be hard on the > >pistons and bearings if the advance is too much. Differences in power are > >hard to measure on the freeway (especially with silicon valley traffic). > > > No they're not ... just pick a stretch (shortish) and at full throttle see > how long it takes :) Just kidding. floor it and see how many cars you can pile up. Then adjust the ignition and try again :) .. my uncle once rear ended a van in his '81 f250 pickup. The van folded up like a harmonica and was totalled, he only needed a new fender :) > >That would be cool, you can measure > >all sorts of stuff at freeway speeds and tinker with it while keeping an > >eye on the vacuum and power output. I am sure that would get you a couple > >dozen of extra hp's. > > > Oh yeah, a dyno tuned car can get you LOTS more power, especially if you > start playing with the electronics ... > > Hope this helped a little ... Maybe if I have some excess money I'll buy this jacobsen ignition, EFI, overdrive, and then have it tuned. Who know maybe I'll get 20 mpg :) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:20:48 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cheap Paint! To Heck with Maaco!!! Tell Earl Sheib to go fly a kite!!!! I just wanted to share my experience tonight with everybody because I'm a loser! ;-) Fact: $7.23 cents will paint a '78 6' truck bed and tailgate quite nicely with 2 and a half cans of Rustoleum gloss black!!! Ahhhh.... My truck is finally one color... (grin) Can't wait to see it when it's light outside!!! (painting black on dark blue in the dark is kinda fun!) Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:17:50 -0400 From: William A Whited Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive I'd really be interested in the info. O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I have the external overdrive on my 66 and its works good. There should be > no problem puting it on a 390 and an 68F100. remenber it takes a kickdown > switch on the gas pedal and a relay on the firewall. Also, you will need > the cable and handle on the dash. I have the schematic for the whole mess > if you are interested. My parts book shows the overdrive being active from > 64 thru 72; but I know that Ford, Lincoln and Merc used them on cars trucks > and vans since the fourties. When I inquire about my unit, the parts > clerks refer to it as the "big" one. It is a T85N-1A and it is original to > my truck. I listed some sources for O/D's a while back and I could find > them again if anyone is interested. The ratio for my unit is 1:1 and .7:1 > in O/D. I guess that you would be running at .7 x 3800= 2660 down the > freeway. Write back if you are interested in more info. > > Tim 66F100 SWB O/D and P/S Custom Cab (Kind of unique) > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - -- William A Whited 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390 77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302 79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK) "IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:21:12 -0700 From: jefro netscape.com (Jeffrey Osier-Mixon) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive O'Connor wrote: > I have the external overdrive on my 66 and its works good. There should be > no problem puting it on a 390 and an 68F100. coooool > remenber it takes a kickdown > switch on the gas pedal and a relay on the firewall. Also, you will need > the cable and handle on the dash. I have the schematic for the whole mess > if you are interested. please please please please please please please !!! thanks! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:34:06 -0400 From: David Wadson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Lights WORK!!!!!!!! >Thanks everyone for all the help and the e-mails! The ground tab on the >light socket was slightly bent and had a small amount of corrosion under the >gasket. After attempting in various ways to ground the bulb I slipped the >probe from my ohm meter under the ground tab and surprise I got light. >Leave it to a bunch of blue oval guys to help me out. Thanks again. I had the same problem in my tailight sockets when I was putting my truck together. We found that using a Dremel with a little grinder attachment or wire brush worked great for removing the corrosion and getting nice, shiny, clean contacts for the bulbs. A little dab of dielectric (sp?) grease also helped. David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca "PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 23:52:26 EDT From: WEDIVE247 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cheap Paint! Do you or anyone else know where I might find the paint formula for 64 academy blue ? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:06:17 +0000 From: "kerr.parkes" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Built Ford Tough? The best thing about our trucks are the experiences we've all had, especially the funny ones. If anyone's got a spare minute jot a 'short' one down and give us a giggle. The silliest thing I did was a loooooong time ago when I first started driving my partner's '75, 351c F100. It went something like this ....... I tried to start it (8.30am), the LPG froze, I spent 1/2 hour waiting for it to thaw, I had 3 kids waiting to get to school and I had to drop round at a friends place first. Finally got her going and off we went. The sound of it had my foot trembling on the accellerator but I felt great! Got to my mates place fine and sat there idling until smoke started pouring out from the dash board. All the kids bolted, out - across the road - and behind the trees! I freaked, shut her down, jumped out and headed for the trees as well. Wayne (my partner) loves his truck and I was petrified it was going to burn to death. My mate drove us all to Wayne's work, I blurted out that I had #* ^# his truck and he just stared at me. He opperated a gravel crushing plant, he shut the whole thing down {I don't think you're suppose to do that) and took off to save his beloved truck. There wasn't any smoke at all when he got there! He lifted the hood, turned to me and grinned, leaned in - put the "heater hose" back on and shut the hood. He never said a word, just grinned. He headed off back to work laughing, I got the kids to school an hour and a half late, parked her back in the shed and stayed home for the rest of the day. Boy, did I feel dumb! How was I to know it was steam - looked like smoke to me! Please, no-one take offence to this next bit, it's meant in fun ........ .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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