FTE 61-79 - Overdrive

61-79-list-digest Thursday, June 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 199

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Overdrive
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem
FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap
FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - confusion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - confusion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
FTE 61-79 - RE: Junkyard Tips
FTE 61-79 - RE: Jukyard dogs
FTE 61-79 - 400 build up...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 build up...
[none]
FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab
Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
FTE 61-79 - It's Alive... Woohooo!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab
FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries
FTE 61-79 - John's in Seguin
Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker (Warning long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Junkyard Tips
Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker (Warning long)
Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Junkyard Tips
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
FTE 61-79 - RE:Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
FTE 61-79 - 9" Rear End Questions
FTE 61-79 - ohio e-check

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 12:20:42 -0700
From: jefro

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive

Has anyone retrofitted an overdrive into a late 60's F?00? I have a '68 F100
+ T18 4sp manual trans + 3.25 9" rear end that spends some time on the
freeway, and I hate listening to that poor 390 grinding away at probably
3800RPM when it could be relaxing at a much slower speed, using less gas,
etc. Besides, I need to fix the drive shaft anyway.

Anyone know what years the external overdrives were available?

Thanks as always

Jefro

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:33:50 EDT
From: JPatte5238

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

I know I am a few days behind on the topic but I would like some input. I
wear my leather gloves most of the time when working on my trucks. This
encludes body work and repairs on the tranny and engine. The gloves are a
knuckle saver and kept your hands clean.

John Patterson
1965, F100 Shorbed, bullet hole in windshield is an after-market item.
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 15:50:08 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem

Erik Marquez wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S Hart
> To: 61-79-list

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> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem
>
> >>Ok I too have been thinking about this problem (is that smoke I smell:-)
> >>both the above ideas are valid solutions for a home based mech. and here
> is
> >>another I've been tossing about....
> >>Tap the hole for whatever size threads
> >
> >What hole are we tapping ? The one that holds the bolt in place ? Isn't it
> >just sheetmetal, a little tough to tap ... or do you mean drill a hole
> >through the new bolt that's slightly longer ?
> >
>
> The hole I am talking about is the monting point on the D44 housing for the
> track bar. Solid cast steel not sheet metal. I believe your thinking about
> the frame end of the track bar.
>
> Currently the track bar (TB) attached with a single bolt to the housing. The
> housing erodes, the bolt (TB mount) wiggles, this is the problem. My
> solution (one of them) is to drill and tap that hole, use a longer bolt,
> after bolting the TB to the housing, add a nut to the portion of the bolt
> that protrudes through the mount (hence the longer bolt) Will it work? darn
> if I know. I'll use this idea, or the drill and sleeve one in the very near
> future. One I can do on my own, the sleeve I will have to have made at a
> machine shop. so well see which way I go.
>

Well, diregard my previous E-mail then. I haven't ever seen the
erosion your talking about. Even my 44 swampers and weight of dana 60
front don't seem to have affected this area. Maybe yours was loose at
one time and wore itself out a little.

Boring for a larger bolt, again will eliminate the ability to use the
stock bushings. How about boring it out for a larger bolt, and
undercutting the protruding end of bolt (and cutting new threads on the
end), so it fits through the track bar internal bushing sleeve?

I've also seen axle shafts with pitted "seal" surfaces that were
welded up and reground to create a new seal surface. What about possibly
doing this, ending up with oversized bolt in that area only?

I think tack (or permananetly) welding it would not be that bad of an
idea. Track bar would still come off easy enough and those large threads
don't seem to corrode or fail at all, so it should be the last time you
have to put that bolt in.

OX
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:51:08 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Engine Swap

First, are you sure your truck needs a catalytic converter? My 78 F-150
4x4 with 400M has a valve cover which, once I peeled the paint off, had a
sticker that clearly states non-catalyst. I think over 6000 lbs GVWR
doesn't require one till 1980. All 4x4's are over 6000 GVWR.

Next if you install dual cats yourself (a muffler shop can't do it
however), then it becomes legal for this year vehicle, and once done a
mufler shop can replace one of cats if it goes bad.

Now if you still have trouble: You will need all the emissions parts from
a stock 460 of your model year to make your truck 100% legal. Here in
North Carolina emissions testing is only done in about 5 counties out of
100, but they have monitoring stations and if the ozone goes up over the
limit for too many days in a year, then they add you county to the list.
The monitoring station for our county is at the westernmost point in the
county at the edge of a triangle into two other counties, and the wind
comes from the southwest, and our ozone is creeping over the limit.
Basically the town one county southwest of us is going to make our county
have emissions testing.

As for the spend xxx amount and they will pass you anyway, this does not
include the amount spent putting back the stock emissions equipment back on
(which is most of the expense). And if you do the work yourself, then you
can only count parts epense, not you labor.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:53:01 EDT
From: BDIJXS

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - confusion

Hey Bill and Eric,

You are indeed looking at two different mounts for the lower TB mount. Bill's
is two sheet metal pieces, and Eric's is the cast piece (which I now believe
started in 76). Sounds like Ox's method of welding pads on both sides of the
mount is the best way to go.....good work, Ox.

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:01:49 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - confusion

um, yup, cept Ox was talking about the frame end, the end that is indeed
made from sheet steel :-) ((he posted a little later on the subject)))

But now that you mentioned it.... that might work.. cept it would slightly
(the thickness of the plate) missalign the Track bar hummmmmmmmmmmmm

Erik Marquez
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From: BDIJXS

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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:58 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem - confusion

>Hey Bill and Eric,
>
>You are indeed looking at two different mounts for the lower TB mount.
Bill's
>is two sheet metal pieces, and Eric's is the cast piece (which I now
believe
>started in 76). Sounds like Ox's method of welding pads on both sides of
the
>mount is the best way to go.....good work, Ox.
>
>CJ
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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 14:22:53 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

I've got it! There is no smog inspection in my area, so you could have
the truck shipped to me, It can live here in the pacific northwest for
the next five years, and I will make sure that it gets plenty of
exercise. You don't want to get flat spots on the tires, or stagnant
water in the cooling system, do ya? Or even worse, stale grease! And I
won't even charge ya storage fees! :)

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:58:22 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Junkyard Tips

My local owner, Danny, is about 35, just a little older than me, and he has
his yard divided into three sections:

The first is cars to be sold whole, don't take anything,

The second is ask before you take, but usually what he wants left alone is
marked on the car: i.e. don't open hood, leave interior intact, don't mess
with tranny, etc.

The third section is a free for all, just walk thru and take what you want,
just show it to him to get the price before you leave.

The sections are not marked so if you are not a regular you have to ask for
any part, but he explains the system to regulars (or else we would be
harrassing him all day for part locations).

I used to ask for prices, but I know that (unless a complete engine or
tranny) the parts will be cheap, but there is no haggling, the price he
names is what it costs. I usually go thru there first, find the part I
want, then go home and cool down a few minutes while I round up the tools I
need (100 degrees and 60% humidity today), then go back and get the part
and pay.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:00:38 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Jukyard dogs

And I forgot, the junkyard dogs just wag their tails at me and go lay under
my lifted truck while I stop in, I have to chase them off just to leave.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:11:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 build up...

So it begins, I think I've found a good machine shop that knows Fords that's
fairly close and spent some time on the phone with the owner discussing the
possible alternatives for building the "Killer 400" He said in no uncertain
terms that bushing the rods for smaller wrist pin pistons (351C) wasn't a
good idea. He said he'd hate to see what happened 20K down the road.

Dave R., I know you've done it and been successful but I think I'm inclined
to go with what this guy is telling me which is stock type pistons, zero
deck the block then shave the heads down to get to the 9-9.x:1 c.r. I'm
taking the heads in this week to get tanked & blasted so I can start playing
with the die grinder...can you hear the Tim Allen grunting?...next comes the
block. The 20-10 400 crank is on the way and should be here at the end of
the week. He's talking about a 2 week turn around time so that ain't too
shabby.

One quick favor...if you could all just face northeast for a second in the
direction of Dearborn, aka the Holy Land, and say a couple of Hail Henry's
for my little project I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Bill

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 15:18:53 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 400 build up...

See I'm so excited about this project I can't even think straight!

Whatever direction Dearborn is from where you are...if you're geographically
challenged as I obviously am then just close your eyes and bow your head
when you do the Hail Henrys. Once again thank you,

Bill

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Bill Beyer
To: Performance List ; 61-79 List

Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 3:09 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400 build up...

>One quick favor...if you could all just face northeast for a second in the
>direction of Dearborn, aka the Holy Land, and say a couple of Hail Henry's
>for my little project I'd appreciate it!

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:17:46 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: [none]

I visited a guy today whose son has a truck to sell for $1000 in Fort Worth,
TX area. 1985 F150 - Cab has some hail dents in roof and hood is rusted.
Rest of body seems real good. Man says engine is good but clutch spring is
missing. Don't have any other details but if anyone is interested, I will
find out more.

John

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:06:29 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker

I'm upgrading my truck to 33 inch tires and im doing a gear swap along with
it to 4.10's. I was also thinking of adding an air locker to the rear axles
while I'm in there. Just wanted to hear about people's experiances with them
first. Any advice before i dive in? Thanks

Ian
79 F-250 4x4 4spd 351W
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:54:16 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab

1974 was the first year of the Supercab.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:46:05 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - weight terminology

In a message dated 6/9/99 8:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone

ford-trucks.com writes:

the truck and the estimated weight of the driver (usually 180 pounds). >>

Im not sure how well this fits, as my F-350 has a 10,000 GVW. Near as I can
tell I can haul over 3000 lbs in the bed, possibly more. (dont know the net
weight) And its still a single wheel. Goin Dually lets me go to 12,000 I
believe.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:32:05 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

In a message dated 06/09/1999 8:11:24 PM !!!First Boot!!!, JPatte5238

aol.com
writes:

wear my leather gloves most of the time when working on my trucks. This
encludes body work and repairs on the tranny and engine. The gloves are a
knuckle saver and kept your hands clean. >>

I agree! But usually I just wear the latex ones.....anything to protect my
nails LOL

for girls, too.>>

I LIKE this guy already! =P

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*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:13:21 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - It's Alive... Woohooo!

I just finished taking my red 69 F250 for test drive after building and
installing a new balanced 390 with 4 bbl 600 CFM Holley, and WOW it's very
smooth! So what if I got a few funny looks, just because I didn't have the
hood on yet and all my tools were still sitting on the fenders... It was
running so smooth, I just had to do it!

Thanks to all the members of this list who helped to make this day possible

Danger

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:19:33 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab

Ok that was the easy part.........Now where can I get one :-)

The wife wants me to spend up to 1/2 the price of a new one, and build her a
"new one" just the way she wants it. Plus easy emissions, low insurance, and
no monthly payment damn I love my wife. So Looking for a 78-79 crew cab,
decent body, mech condition un-important (price dependent). Other years
(prior to 78 ) would be interesting also. Oh ya, would be damn helpful if
the vehicle in question was in Alaska :-)

Erik Marquez
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From: JUMPINFORD

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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab

>1974 was the first year of the Supercab.
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:14:00 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Track bar problem

Hello all....on the subject of trak bar problems resulting from the egging
of the hole on the cast front housings...I am not sure I caught the entire
thread on the subject, but from what I could gather you all were looking for
a soloution....here is a easy way ta fix the problem.....

Call this # 1-800-641-9795 This number is for a company called
Ingallas......They sell front end parts to alignment shops....They are
located in Longmount Colorado..... Tell them you need a trak bar stud repair
kit....the kit for the 78-79 Broncos and the earlier F-150's contains a new
stud...threaded on both ends.....with a rather large taper in the center of
it....the kit also contains a tapered reamer and a decent set of
instructions.....very simple install and it makes for a pretty near
permanent fix...ya just remove the old stud and ream out the hole tell the
new stud fits snug and thread the nut on the back side with a dab of
locktight, and you now have a nice new solid track bar stud! Hope this
helps.ya dudes! P.S. If it has survived on my truck it will work forever
on anyone elses!

Norm/Tracie dahorse

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:07:37 EDT
From: WEDIVE247

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Suprecab

You might be asking toooo much ????
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:54:20 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emissions worries

Folks,
All this emissions talk has me worried about my 'improved' truck. It
currently has no smog pump, EGR, cat. converters etc. Does anybody know
what my truck is supposed to have for emissions equipment? It's a
49-state '75 F100 Supercab longbed, powered by a 390 2v, with a C6
automatic. Everyday I pray for the continued excellant health of Angela,
the neighborhood vehicle inspector......
Thanks for any info,
Brett

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:50:22 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - John's in Seguin

The salvage yard is called John's, and its just a couple miles off of
123, and there is a sign on the highway pointing you down the gravel road
leading to it. It's been a couple of years since I last went there,
but is the best general Ford salvage yard around. Spanish or good sign
language is a necessity for accurate communication with your assigned
chauffer(parts-puller).
Brett
PS. Just because you're puking dust does not mean the mudholes have a
bottom to them. Don't ask how I know this.

>Don't know how you feel about driving, but, down close to San Antone,
right
>outside Seguin, there is a Ford only junkyard, last time I was there
(about
>3 years ago) they had about 5 acres of old ford trucks, if you can't
find a
>NP435 or T-18 in there somewhere, things have drastically changed. Note:
>middle of June? Be sure and wear boots, sunflowers should be about 5
foot
>tall and snakes are always a possibility in that country. If you do make
>the trip, let me know as I remember a bunch of old Lincoln Continentals
in
>there I'd like to check for 460's. Can't remember exact location, in
>country, but Seguin is still pretty small so if you ask around someone
will
>know it. Best I remember, got exact directions at Ford dealership.
>Good Luck,
>Stoney

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:19:08 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker (Warning long)

This was posted in the rec.autos.4X4 newsgoup:

***Warning this post is rated L for language (it mentions the G* and
S*b*rb*n words)***

I have posted my opinions of whether to use the ARB or an
automatic locker here quite often. With my offroad
experience and listening carefully to what has been said
here, I want to say that I have had a change of heart;
and here is why...

I have always realized that there are different kinds of
4-wheeling. Mud, Rock Crawling, Snow, Sand, etc... What
works for me may not work for you, or the next guy.

My opinions about the ARB has changed! I want them! Let
me show you what I've learned recently...

These excerpts come from the following web page...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/am4x44u/events/adventure/teu9396.htm

"The snow-covered side angles were treacherous." (snip)
"We crept trepidatiously along snow-filled grooves. I kept
the differentials open to avoid crabbing, and we held our
breaths."

If there were lockers in the Turtle Expedition's truck, in
this situation, the wheels would be locked (due to the loss
of traction in any one wheel). With 4 wheels slipping (locked),
the weight of the truck would carry them down hill SIDEWAYS!
This is crabbing! Not good!

"The tracks were so vague, there was a feeling that we were
always lost." (snip) "The snow was wet, and traction was
becoming marginal. Not wanting to loose the half hour it
would take to put chains on, we pushed it. Only twenty-five
yards from the top, the up-hill tires spun. I hit the ARB
buttons, but it was too late. We were stopped." (snip) "Once
again I started. With all four tires slipping, the truck
crabbed towards the edge, but the tires found just enough
gravel to claw forward, and we inched to the top."

Here they got stuck when the differentials were open, engaged
the ARB, and started to crab as Gary expected. BUT, they
found the necessary traction and made it over the top. If
they were locked full time, they may never of been able to
make forward movement.

Am I saying ARBs are better than lockers? NO! But in this
situation, they were! If this is the type of off roading you
do, then an ARB would be the right choice.

My experience has taught me that you can get pretty far with
open differentials. I'm limited to where I can go due to the
size of the Diesel Suburban. With this limitation in mind,
the occasional use of a locker would be GREAT! I equate it
in the same scenario as a winch. You don't always need it,
but its great to have with you...JUST IN CASE!

Rock Crawling is possibly a different issue. Some may say
ARB while others will say lockers only. Its really up to
you and your driving needs!

My last hurtle is the application. It has been my plan to
install the GM 14-bolt full floater axle in my Suburban.
ARB does not make one for the full floater...but...they
do for the 14-bolt semi floater! Wouldn't it be GREAT
if WARN came out with a full floater kit for the THOUSANDS
of semi floaters out there (hint hint :-).

I already plan on using Offroad Design's Chrome Moly Axles
for the 10-bolt front axle along with their HD front shackles.
This will allow me to use an ARB up front and have the extra
strength. I wanted the DANA 60 but the cost is too high
for this poor boy. (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.offroaddesign.com)

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: IanBoss69

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To: 61-79-list

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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 5:36 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker

>I'm upgrading my truck to 33 inch tires and im doing a gear swap along with
>it to 4.10's. I was also thinking of adding an air locker to the rear
axles
>while I'm in there. Just wanted to hear about people's experiances with
them
>first. Any advice before i dive in? Thanks

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:27:15 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Junkyard Tips

i learned real fast that unless you absolutely have too, don't go to the junk
yard for a single item, i usualy come out with a pile of stuff, they will
usaly say "aw about fifty bucks" and i've gotten some real good deals (or
Steals).

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:35:43 EDT
From: IanBoss69

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker (Warning long)

Most of my four wheeling will be done on dirt trails( if the term trail can
be used to describe them) and backwoods "exploring" with the occasional muddy
stream bed.
loose gravel and dirt is my biggest fear, going up even a steep dry hill with
loose gravel on it the tires slip once and then proceed to bury themselves.
I suppose from what i read in your response that yes the air lockers would be
a good choice, but i want to make sure so im posting my thoughts.

Ian

79 F-250 4x4 4spd 351W
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:55:28 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker

Actually those weren't my thoughts, they were posted by someone else in the
newsgroup, I wouldn't drive a diesel S*b*rb*n...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: IanBoss69

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To: 61-79-list

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Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ARB air locker (Warning long)

>Most of my four wheeling will be done on dirt trails( if the term trail can
>be used to describe them) and backwoods "exploring" with the occasional
muddy
>stream bed.
>loose gravel and dirt is my biggest fear, going up even a steep dry hill
with
>loose gravel on it the tires slip once and then proceed to bury themselves.
>I suppose from what i read in your response that yes the air lockers would
be
>a good choice, but i want to make sure so im posting my thoughts.

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:51:15 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Junkyard Tips

Jeff Grant wrote...

> I learned real fast that unless you absolutely have too, don't go to the
junk
> yard for a single item, I usually come out with a pile of stuff
........

Yep, I must agree completely. Just the other day when I broke the
dipstick tube on an FE the dealer wanted $37.24 plus tax and I quickly
found myself at the salvage yard. It's no fun lugging around a bunch of
tools your not supposed to be needing, but it pays off real nice sometimes.
I noticed a guy at the yard that had a large top box loaded with tools and
strapped to a furniture dolly which looked like a pretty nice setup to me.

Danger

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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:39:49 EDT
From: SHill48337

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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

In a message dated 6/8/99 10:47:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
bpmusic

choice.net writes:

have gladly left it alone, but that decision was made for
me, and this engine isn't even set up for the emissions
stuff. The 429 is very nice, and goes like hell (esp. with
the 4.10 gears), but I'd have left the 351 2-barrel in it
just to avoid the hassle.
>>
I was in Cincinnati the week of May 20th seemed to be a nice place. Stayed
up at the King's Island area. Anyway there is no way the state could tell
your 429 from a 460. If you go to a wrecking yard and get the decal
describing the 460 pollution system along with the system. Should be
relatively cheap? But, then you would still have the lack of cats to contend
with. Oh well, just a thought.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:00:21 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

Thanks. Problem is I don't have cats. I've been told that
the '78 version didn't have them, but the '79 did. Maybe I
should just go see what happens, and see what they're
looking for. I also understand the results can be quite
different from one testing facility to another.

Sean

> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 06:20:01 -0400
> From: "PmctBaker"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
>
> Sean,
>
> I'm in Waynesville not far from you. E-Check was a piece of cake. When I
> told the Lady it has over 200,000 miles on it, and I didn't know the
> history of the truck, She just gave me the test with what I had. The visual
> she gave me was for cats and mufflers.
> She never opened the hood.
>
> Good Luck
> MCB
>
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:09:33 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 08:14:24 -0500
> From: William S Hart
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
>
>
> Do these tests cost you anything ? If not, then be sure you have a
> complete tune on the truck, new points, condensor, rotor, cap, wires,
> plugs, and that everything is gapped and set exactly as it should be, that
> will help more than anything else ... might be able to lean out the carb a
> bit too ... just remember how much you turned it and turn it back when you
> get done with the testing ? If you want to throw converters on ahead of
> time, maybe some hi flo ones that way you don't lose a lot of power.
>

They're supposed to be free if you fail, at least the first
two times, I think. If you pass, they're ~$20 (haven't taken
one yet).
I might try the tune-up and see what that gets me. If it
doesn't pass, I might see if I can get a muffler shop to
install some cats and see what that gets me. I have no
problem being environmentally friendly, but I got it already
modified, so I don't know how close to stock I can get it.
And, it's my daily driver, so I'd like to keep it on the
road. If I have to, I can garage it for the next 5 years,
but I sure don't want to do that...

> Depending on how strict the tests are, I think you could be surprised what
> a good tune up and some cats will do to clean the motor up ... also with a
> truck that old, most places I would bet won't care that it doesn't have ALL
> the emissions stuff on it, ask around, the performance people in your
> neighborhood can probably tell you who will be most lenient on you ...
>

That's a good idea. I'm sure everybody with a '70's muscle
car has been through the same situation I'm in.

Thanks,

Sean

>
> Oh yeah, and FWIW ... the new GT's, and possibly Cobras can pass the
> emissions tests WITHOUT cats! yes they fail visual, but sometimes you get
> someone who doesn't care, if it passes the sniffer, then you're good to go ...
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 01:27:23 -0400
From: "Sean R. Kerns"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's

> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:30:49 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Sean O'Malley"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ohio E-Check Question For Fellow Ohio FTEer's
>
> > Kentucky (I live in Cincinnati, OH - across the river) in
>
> I think Ohio must still set its inspection laws by county. I live in
> Athens county, and there are NO inspections of any kind that I know of,
> other than to verify the VIN when you title a vehicle.
>

They do. You only have to get these tests in certain
counties. I live near Cincinnati, so we have to get tested.
They just started it a couple of years ago, and then
actually suspended the tests for over a year, because they
were not accurate, and were failing cars that should pass,
and vice versa. They also damaged some cars with those
stupid rollers. And they were charging people who failed,
etc.
The state suspended the tests, and the company that was
contracted to run the tests sued the state and got the tests
reinstated.

> Heck, if they did
> institute inspections here, 60% of the cars in Athens/Meigs/Vinton would
> be off the road. Folks just can't afford to fix their clunkers down here.
>
Well, that's the thing. They used to test only 1980 and
newer. _Lots_ of people bought pre-1980 cars not knowing
they had been modified, or at least secure in the belief
that they didn't have to get them tested. I really have a
problem with them extending the range of testing.

>
> I hope inspections like yours aren't coming to our area any time soon.
> I bought my 78 partly thinking I'd be able to avoid these kinds of
> inspection problems because of its age.
>

That was the case with my '79 when I bought it. I knew it
had been modified, but since they didn't test '79's, I
didn't worry about it. If I went to look at this truck
today, I couldn't buy it.

Sean

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64 F100

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