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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6
FTE 61-79 - C6 Rebuild Suggestions
FTE 61-79 - coil blues II now data plate
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
FTE 61-79 - Re: IDing Dana 60 Front
Re: FTE 61-79 - hoisting points
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - coil blues II now data plate
FTE 61-79 - spare bearing
FTE 61-79 - Brake light won't work
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: IDing Dana 60 Front
Re: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud for a 76 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Fw: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
RE: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake light won't work
FTE 61-79 - timing marks
RE: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!
RE: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud for a 76 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks
FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior
Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior
FTE 61-79 - brakes and vacuum plus bonus steering wheel removal tip
Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and vacuum plus
FTE 61-79 - Bed Hold Down Bolts?
FTE 61-79 - Junkyard tips
FTE 61-79 - Fun in the junk yard
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 rust and axle q's
FTE 61-79 - my mistake, my mistake
FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting
FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 frozen caliper key
FTE 61-79 - Weight question...
Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 frozen caliper key
Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 and a C6

my'68 F-250 has a 240 with C6 on it, so i can't see
too many problems other than the hassle of linkage,
mounts etc, but i must ask- why?? i would love to
have a manual instead of an auto any day, 3 or 4 spd.
these things are trucks right??

- --- Eric Washburn wrote:
> Is there anyway I can mount a C6 to my '67 240?
> Right now I have the Ford
> 3-spd manual. If so, can ya'll help me as to what I
> need to do to put it on?
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 06:43:35 -0400
From: David Reeves
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 Rebuild Suggestions

Does anyone have any experience with the TCI towing converter for the C-=
6
shown in Jeg's catalog. It is suppose to have less slip and be better fo=
r
towing?

Thanks for any help.

David Reeves
78 F150-460

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 07:30:19 -0400
From: Linda Purut
Subject: FTE 61-79 - coil blues II now data plate

>>>

Daniel, does your truck have one of thoes nifty data plates attached to
the dash? My 65 F100 also belonged to the airforce and the data plate is
on the dash. The plate has more than just the vin number. It has things
like the date of delivery, contract number and other things I can
remember now.

Jon E. Purut

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:40:34 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

> Umm...Ok was I the only one who found that chauvinistic and not the least bit
> funny? I HOPE y'all are just pokin fun, but ya really need to watch what ya
> say in the future cuz that wasn't funny. Now I don't dish out anything I can
> handle, keep that in mind. I just thought ya would show a lil more maturity
> then that....

I don't think that the comments were appropriate either. Don't think
that we all think that way because we don't. Try to get off-road
experience with an experienced friend. Put on a winch and get good at
figuring out how to pull yourself out. But even when you get good at
it, don't go alone. Have some fun, but don't get hurt, yourself, a
friend or your truck. And also, don't tear up the ground any more than
you have to. The key to good off roading is to understand that you're
responsible for what you're doing, and do your best to not tear things
up.

Talking about manicures, three days before my wedding, my future
father-in-law asked if I could put valve guide seals in his '74 F250. I
went at it and at about the end of the job, my spring compressor broke.
I got my darlin to help me finish the job, putting the retainers and
locks on while I compressed the springs with my fingers. She made a
real mess of her nails.

I've never heard the end of it.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:00:52 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: IDing Dana 60 Front

The easiest way to ID a front Dana 60 axel is that it had a "Square" bolt
pattern to hold steering arm on the steering knuckle. It looks as if there
are four lug nuts that hold it on. If you have 3 nuts....its a Dana 44 front
axel. Any questions.....just ask!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:08:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hoisting points

>Has anyone had problems using a carb lift plate on these heavy FEs?
>Should I remove the studs for the carb, and use bolts to attach the lift
>plate to the intake manifold?
>
Yup, been there done that :) NO problems at all, got pics of it too on my
website ... just scanned some new ones last night of the completed new
motor being fitted into its new home, they're available if you type them in
directly, but I should have links to them up by the end of the day ....
I'll let you all know when those are done.



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:19:56 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

At 01:15 AM 6/8/99 , you wrote:
>" Why, because your the perfect stereotype for all of those bad adds."
>
> I'm going to have to agree with Darrell on this one. Not only were
>those comments derogatory towards Lisa, they were derogatory towards all
>four wheel drive owners
>Jason

I'm gonna have to go with Jason and Darrell on this one ... why on earth
would anyone say she was a bad example for taking the back roads ? Does
that mean that I'm a horrid example because sometimes I put it into 4 on
the gravel so as I can stay ON the road ? I had an entire paragraph
written of sarcastic comments, but here in IA, I think we can safely put it
in 4, even on the class B roads and not be afraid of tearin things up any
worse than the tractors or anyone else on the road ... if anything the
studded snow tires are going to tear things up worse than any rubber tire I
run ... I didn't recognize the email address of the person who originated
it, and it was unsigned, so I hope whoever it was has sense enough to keep
his mouth shut for a bit longer next time ...

Lisa n Envy, congratulations on havin a blast on the backroads :) As for
the comment about there were bumps ... I think they were just ribbin ya a
bit ... My sister is probably one of the better 4x4 drivers around here ...
why? Because she doesn't take dumb chances and her truck's more than
capable of doing whatever I ask it to which is way more than she ever asks
of it... if you're ever in the neighborhood, or vice versa, we'll have to
get you two on a trail, though she'd make you drive 'cause she would just
want to look at the trees ... goofy forestrers anyway :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 06:30:37 PDT
From: Park Hunter
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

Fer crimminetly! Folks, let's encourage, not discourage or mock.

Lisa, I think it's GREAT you're having a good time with your old truck, and
hose all those bozos who say otherwise. Some of the baloney obscured some
good advice, more the pity. Read between the lines, ignore the sexist
garbage, and look for the useful information.

I've driven down some killer dirt roads and consider it (kinda) offroading.
It's a good way to start. If you ever get out to Ouray, Colorado there's a
network of old mining roads over the mountains that are rough, tough and
fun.

A couple of folks alluded to responsible off-roading, which basically means
don't leave any litter, don't damage the trail or environment, don't
trespass and don't do anything dangerous or stupid. Common sense. I'm sure
you already behave this way. There is serious backlash against off-roaders
in some parts of the country, which is why it is so important for us all to
behave responsibly. That's also why some of the folks who have worked so
hard to earn the sport respectability often over-react to new people who
they imagine are rude amateurs.

If you're serious about this off-roading, look up a local 4x4 club and join.
They can elaborate on the "rules" and they also plan some way-fun trips. It
is smart when you go into the serious rough stuff to do it with some
experienced folks to give you tips and tow you out. Plus, the "experts" get
stuck too and will need you to pull them out...

And finally, I'm glad to hear that you do enjoy getting your hands dirty.
Though the gloves are a good idea, manicure or no -- a good set of leather
gloves will lend strength to your grip and help you apply more pressure to
wrenches with less fear of ripping your knuckles on adjoining truck parts.

I probably derive as much pleasure from fixing simple little things on my
old beater as I do from driving it. Ask for help from your shop teacher,
friends, etc. Just make sure that when they show you how to do something,
they don't simply do it for you. Insist on using the tools and changing the
parts yourself so you really learn. I also think the Haynes and Chilton
manuals you can buy in auto parts stores are a big help. (Of course, this
assumes you're not already an expert mechanic. You may be. I know I'm not...
[grin])

Have fun! I'm sorry you were subjected to so much crap by a few other list
members, but most of us support you and look forward to hearing your further
adventures.

Park

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 09:58:19 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

Wow! A lot of people have responded to this. First off I'd like to thank
y'all who are giving me constructive criticism, y'all know a heck of a lot
more than me about offroading and I'd gladly take any advice that might
prevent me from doing something stupid and breakin something. Muchas Gracias
y'all! Like Darrell said, I am just getting into this so any advice is
welcome. Secondly, thanks for stickin up for me, makes me feel all warm and
fuzzy inside! =) This list is meant to HELP people, not MAKE FUN of them, so
hopefully there won't be any more trouble with jerks like that. Hopefully
I'll get a chance to go offroading again
time put it into 4x LOL> Well, I gotta go y'all! Thanks again and hope to
hear from y'all soon! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel DiMartino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - coil blues II now data plate

yes, but mine is on the door jam, it's been painted
over a few times but i know it was made by Space Corp
in Texas, i'll look to see if it has more info like
delivery dates and stuff.
i also have the maint. manual which has all the specs
and lots of worthless info now that the ladder is off,
but it did come in handy to know how it was attached
to the frame before i crawled under and started
unbolting things. it popped off whole, perfectly
balenced with four chains and a fork lift, right from
the hoisting points :)
the gov't also keeps maint. records of all vehicles
but strangly won't furnish them to a customer even if
he/she buys one. why? i don't have a clue, but then
i would have known about that damn cut off switch!
DUH!

- --- Linda Purut wrote:
>
> flight line>>>>
>
> Daniel, does your truck have one of thoes nifty data
> plates attached to
> the dash? My 65 F100 also belonged to the airforce
> and the data plate is
> on the dash. The plate has more than just the vin
> number. It has things
> like the date of delivery, contract number and other
> things I can
> remember now.
>
> Jon E. Purut
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 07:06:40 PDT
From: b hp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - spare bearing

On Mondays I commute 120 miles to my job. I have been doing this every
weekend for the last 7 months. Yesterday was my first mechanical breakdown
in 6000+ miles. I have to be thankful that this didnt occur during the
freezing winter we get on the prairies. Point being is that the left front
bearing disintegrated. Fortunately some months back I had put an old bearing
and a wad of grease in a zip-loc bag in the toolbox. It took no more than 15
minutes to extract the mess from the hub and get back on the road. Do
yourself a favour grab an old bearing and stick under the seatyou will be
so happy one day!!

Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6


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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:31:34 -0700
From: Brett Withers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake light won't work

I'll try this again. I have a 78 bronco and the drivers side brake light
will not work when the headlights are on. I've checked the switch, bulb,
circuit, and all the wiring I can see. The brake light works fine when the
headlights are off. The brakelight and taillight are separate filaments so
I can't figure out what is shorting out. Help.

RBW
65 F100 352 police interceptor
74 bronco
78 bronco

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:42:19 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

I'm gonna throw my pair o' lincolns in here and say that this post is not
only rude it doesn't even make much sense! "Don't even drive it ON road" ?
What...girls shouldn't drive trucks? Trucks shouldn't be driven? What the
h*ll does this mean?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: louis sirio
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!


> So please, don't drive your truck off road.
>Don't even drive it on road. Why, because your the perfect
>stereotype for all of those bad adds.



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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:56:38 -0400
From: dgerow stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

Hello all,

I just joined the list and I need some advice. I'm looking at a '79
Bronco XLT Ranger. It has all the original running gear, so I'm told and
original engine. It has a 400ci, Dana 442 front axle, Ford 9" rear and so
on... I'm unfamiliar with the fullsize Bronco's and I would like to know
what it might have for a transmission and a transfer case...I'm guessing a
C4 or C6 and possibly a NP205? It does have an auto tranny.
Also, what are some trouble spots I should look for? I know the
steering boxes on these, and the older ones gave some hassle on lifted
vehicles. This has about 9 inches of lift that will be dropped to about
4...
If anyone has any advice or suggestions. Please let me know and thanks
in advance.

Dan Gerow

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Technology Resources
Stonehill College
Easton, MA
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:59:22 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: IDing Dana 60 Front

In a message dated 6/8/99 8:09:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
FORDTRKNUT aol.com writes:

> The easiest way to ID a front Dana 60 axel is that it had a "Square" bolt
> pattern to hold steering arm on the steering knuckle. It looks as if
there
> are four lug nuts that hold it on. If you have 3 nuts....its a Dana 44
> front axel.

I cannot speak to the 1973 and later models, but I want to point out that the
3 vs. 4 bolt method is not accurate to ID the difference between these axles
as far as 1972 and older "closed-knuckle" Dana 60's and Dana 44's are
concerned. Both of these axle types have four bolts holding the steering
arm to the knuckle assembly. An easier method is to look at the knuckle
diameter. The diameter of the knuckle for the Dana 44 is approximately 4" as
compared to the knuckle diameter of the 60 which is approcimately 8". If
anyone wants an accurate measurement of each let me know and I will be happy
to oblige.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 10:03:09 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud for a 76 390

At 10:29 PM 07/06/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Anyone know where I can find a fan shroud for my 76 F-150. The dealer
>says he can't get it anymore and all the junkyards here in Alaska don't
>have any. The truck has a 390 with the bigger radiator
>
>
>Thanks
>
>schu

Hey schu in AK!

You can find one, in fact several, at Overpass Wrecking in Cranbrook, BC.

Their phone number is 250 426 6116.

They are on Mountain Time and are not open weekends.


marko

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:21:40 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

Daniel, hello and welcom
- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel R. Gerow
To: Ford List
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:04 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice


>Hello all,
>
> I just joined the list and I need some advice. I'm looking at a '79
>Bronco XLT Ranger. It has all the original running gear, so I'm told and
>original engine. It has a 400ci, Dana 442 front axle, Ford 9" rear and so
>on... I'm unfamiliar with the fullsize Bronco's and I would like to know
>what it might have for a transmission and a transfer case...I'm guessing a
>C4 or C6 and possibly a NP205?

If it's an auto, then it's a C-6 that is the only auto ever offered in a
78-79 BB. And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case. Take a look at
the front hubs, .. should be none, just smooth caps. If you look at the TC
shift knob you'll see the word "lock" in two positions...... also only on a
NP208.

> It does have an auto tranny.
> Also, what are some trouble spots I should look for? I know the
>steering boxes on these, and the older ones gave some hassle on lifted
>vehicles. This has about 9 inches of lift that will be dropped to about
>4...

They do tend to start leaking at the sector shaft seal when used with drop
pitman arms (4" lift or more)
but mine has held up over all for more then 250,000 mi.
You will probable find some rust in the rear wheel wells and bottom of the
tail gate. Less so on the 78-79's but it still happens. The tail gate
window motor/regulator some times is a fault, but easly delt with.

Other than that it's just basic auto stuff... Ball joints, u-joints,
steering components, front end bushings.


Erik Marquez
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 11:35:47 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

>If it's an auto, then it's a C-6 that is the only auto ever offered in a
>78-79 BB. And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case. Take a look at
>the front hubs, .. should be none, just smooth caps. If you look at the TC
>shift knob you'll see the word "lock" in two positions...... also only on a
>NP208.
>

NP 208 ? Is this a Bronco only thing ? I thought the full time cases were
203's ? Maybe that's just for the pickups ? Anyone shed some light on this
...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:42:06 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

aaaccccccck sorry gang my fingers typed faster then my brain.. my reply
should have said the transfer case should be a NP203, not a NP208, Please
excuse the confusion.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Marquez
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice


>Daniel, hello and welcom
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel R. Gerow
>To: Ford List
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:04 AM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>> I just joined the list and I need some advice. I'm looking at a '79
>>Bronco XLT Ranger. It has all the original running gear, so I'm told and
>>original engine. It has a 400ci, Dana 442 front axle, Ford 9" rear and so
>>on... I'm unfamiliar with the fullsize Bronco's and I would like to know
>>what it might have for a transmission and a transfer case...I'm guessing a
>>C4 or C6 and possibly a NP205?
>
>If it's an auto, then it's a C-6 that is the only auto ever offered in a
>78-79 BB. And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case. Take a look at
>the front hubs, .. should be none, just smooth caps. If you look at the
TC
>shift knob you'll see the word "lock" in two positions...... also only on a
>NP208.
>
>> It does have an auto tranny.
>> Also, what are some trouble spots I should look for? I know the
>>steering boxes on these, and the older ones gave some hassle on lifted
>>vehicles. This has about 9 inches of lift that will be dropped to about
>>4...
>
>They do tend to start leaking at the sector shaft seal when used with drop
>pitman arms (4" lift or more)
>but mine has held up over all for more then 250,000 mi.
>You will probable find some rust in the rear wheel wells and bottom of the
>tail gate. Less so on the 78-79's but it still happens. The tail gate
>window motor/regulator some times is a fault, but easly delt with.
>
>Other than that it's just basic auto stuff... Ball joints, u-joints,
>steering components, front end bushings.
>
>
>Erik Marquez
>bronco78 mosquitonet.com
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>Home of the BB decal
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 08:45:06 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Fw: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

Nope, you are correct. I miss typed that part. I just sent a correction to
the list. Ack, Hate screwing up like that. Sorry for the confusion.

Erik Marquez
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: William S Hart
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 8:42 AM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice
>
>
>>>If it's an auto, then it's a C-6 that is the only auto ever offered in
a
>>>78-79 BB. And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case. Take a look at
>>>the front hubs, .. should be none, just smooth caps. If you look at the
>TC
>>>shift knob you'll see the word "lock" in two positions...... also only on
>a
>>>NP208.
>>>
>>
>>NP 208 ? Is this a Bronco only thing ? I thought the full time cases
were
>>203's ? Maybe that's just for the pickups ? Anyone shed some light on
this
>>...
>>
>>
>>Just my 2cents
>>
>>wish
>>
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:52:43 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

>>And the autos came with a NP208 transfer case.
>>Take a look at the front hubs, .. should be none,
>>just smooth caps. If you look at the TC
>>shift knob you'll see the word "lock" in two
>>positions...... also only on a NP208.
>
>NP 208 ? Is this a Bronco only thing ? I thought the
>full time cases were 203's ? Maybe that's just for
>the pickups ? Anyone shed some light on this

Yo Eric & Wish:

I thought the 208s didn't come out until 1980. I have a NP208 in my 1980 F250,
and it's not a full-time unit.

Otherwise, Eric's right about the tranny. The only automatic used with the
M-blocks (351M/400) was the C6.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:10:18 -0400
From: dgerow stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - New member - need advice

Sorry, I ment NP205...keyboard slip...

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Technology Resources
Stonehill College
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:16:13 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes

>>And what kind of inspection
>problem would
>I have in Texas with the 302 setup.

Ben,

It will depend on the inspector. Some of them raise the hood, some don't. If
he raises the hood and the wrong stuff is under there, it won't pass,
period. You also can't sell it to a car dealer if you ever go to trade it
in. The key here is federal law. After the 1974 model year, all vehicles are
federally certified. If you do anything to change that certification you are
subject to a $25000.00 fine. Individuals don't run amuck much, but car
dealers and muffler shops keep their neck out on the block all of the time.
I'm not saying don't do it. My brother had a 455 put in a 78 LeSabre Turbo
Coupe once. It was a wonderful car, but he couldn't sell it legally. He
finally sold it to an individual.

Good luck

- -- John
jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 10:32:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake light won't work

Brett cried out:

> I'll try this again. I have a 78 bronco and the drivers side brake light
> will not work when the headlights are on. I've checked the switch, bulb,
> circuit, and all the wiring I can see. The brake light works fine when the
> headlights are off. The brakelight and taillight are separate filaments so
> I can't figure out what is shorting out. Help.
>
Probably a bad (open) ground, shorts blow fuses. Does the taillight
work properly? I suspect that the ground is open on the brakelight
in question, when the taillights are off, the brake light can 'find'
a ground through the taillight circuit. This would also cause the
taillights to behave funny (change in brightness when brakes applied),
but you may not notice this.
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:40:45 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - timing marks

>>but unfortunately my timing marks are worn off the harmonic balancer,

wish,

I am confused here. The harmonic balancers that I have seen have a deep
groove stamped in as the timing mark. There is no way that this could wear
off. I have seen lots of engines that have lost their pin or other marks
from the timing chain cover. I did see a Bl z#r once where the hb was
dragging on the cross member while the engine ran. I guess it would wear the
marks off eventually. So, was the timimg mark painted on? Did you ever get
to see it?

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:08:25 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

You tell 'em girl. Maybe some of those SoCal and other big city 4wheelers,
girls don't like to get down and dirty, but here in the south we have a
good many girls that enjoy offroading and that can fix many problems with
their rides.

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From:Bad4dFilly aol.com [SMTP:Bad4dFilly aol.com]
Sent:Tuesday, June 08, 1999 12:12 AM
To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - MY FIRST OFFROADING TRIP!

In a message dated 06/08/1999 4:30:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!,
dsd74ta earthlink.net writes:


you have to be able to fix it ( even at the risk of breaking a nail). >>

OK look I may be a girl and I may not know as much as some guys know about
my
truck, but I take offense to that comment cuz ya are classifying us gals in
general sayin we ain't willin to get our nails dirty! Now granted after I
get
my nails done of course I wear gloves cuz I ain't
gonna
ruin a 15$ manicure job, but that in no way stop me from getting my hands
dirty, ya got that?



How did yo go off-roading on a road??
-srw>>
She's a girl there were bumps
Dennis Dellinger

Umm...Ok was I the only one who found that chauvinistic and not the least
bit
funny? I HOPE y'all are just pokin fun, but ya really need to watch what
ya
say in the future cuz that wasn't funny. Now I don't dish out anything I
can
handle, keep that in mind. I just thought ya would show a lil more maturity
then that.....

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 02:10:18 -0500
From: Larry Brown
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud for a 76 390

I found one at our local Ford dealer for less than $80

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Sent:Tuesday, June 08, 1999 2:53 AM
To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud for a 76 390

> schu
> Anyone know where I can find a fan shroud for my 76 F-150. The dealer
> says he can't get it anymore and all the junkyards here in Alaska don't
> have any. The truck has a 390 with the bigger radiator
>
........

I got so desperate for a fan shroud on my 69 F250 with a new 390 that
after searching all the salvage yards, I ended up at the hardware store
buying a sheet of alluminum and some alluminum 3/4" corner stock and built
my own shroud. Mimicing aircraft design, I had 4 corner sections pop rivited
together via a 1/2" flange. The perimeter was framed with the corner stock,
and all pop rivits were siliconed to prevent rattling. It looks a bit crude
but it works great, it will never rust, and it doesn't get brittle over time
like the original shroud does.

Doh!... If I only had a 3' bender, I could of made a great looking shroud!


Danger


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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:52:42 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Texas inspection woes

>>>And what kind of inspection
>>problem would
>>I have in Texas with the 302 setup.

>It will depend on the inspector. Some of them raise the hood, some don't. If
>he raises the hood and the wrong stuff is under there, it won't pass,
>period. You also can't sell it to a car dealer if you ever go to trade it
>in. The key here is federal law. After the 1974 model year, all vehicles are
>federally certified. If you do anything to change that certification you are
>subject to a $25000.00 fine. Individuals don't run amuck much, but car
>dealers and muffler shops keep their neck out on the block all of the time.
>I'm not saying don't do it. My brother had a 455 put in a 78 LeSabre Turbo
>Coupe once. It was a wonderful car, but he couldn't sell it legally. He
>finally sold it to an individual.


Hmmm... I think we missed something here ... the 302 was an original
equipment option on this car, so there is no reason he can't put it to the
state it would have been in if sold originally ... the Vin's won't line up,
but I don't think anyone ever actually says "Hey that says it should be a 4
cyl and that's obviously a V8" ... unless they're lookin for an original of
some sort ... I could be way off here, but most states allow the swap to
occur if they were available as original options ... the 455 on the other
hand ...




Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 12:53:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks

At 12:40 PM 6/8/99 , you wrote:
>>>but unfortunately my timing marks are worn off the harmonic balancer,
>
>wish,
>
>I am confused here. The harmonic balancers that I have seen have a deep
>groove stamped in as the timing mark. There is no way that this could wear
>off.

I'm confused too, I didn't originate the post, hopefully the person who did
will see this ... I have heard of it before, but never really questioned it ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:48:05 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior

I just finished installing a new 390 with Holley 1850 4bbl in my 69 F250
and I seem to have run into something very strange. I can't seem to get the
engine to run at a low idle, and when I put my hand on top of the carb and
cut off the air supply, instead of stalling, it revs up real fast like I'm
really stepping on the gas real hard or something. It seems to have real
good throttle response and very smooth acceleration, but something is very
wrong and I don't know where to begin.

And help would greatly be appreciated


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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:02:23 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior

> I just finished installing a new 390 with Holley 1850 4bbl in my 69 F250
>and I seem to have run into something very strange. I can't seem to get the
>engine to run at a low idle, and when I put my hand on top of the carb and
>cut off the air supply, instead of stalling, it revs up real fast like I'm
>really stepping on the gas real hard or something. It seems to have real
>good throttle response and very smooth acceleration, but something is very
>wrong and I don't know where to begin.
>
>And help would greatly be appreciated

Didn't we discuss some other aspect of this ? have you checked to see if
you have a vacuum leak somewhere ? It could be that you're also running
really lean, have you tried adjusting the carb a bit to run richer ?
Putting your hand on it is the same as closing the choke, which means you
are cutting down the air supply and forcing it to run richer... I don't
think I've ever stalled a motor by putting my hand on it, but it should
probably change the way it runs to poorer ... especially a warm motor ...

be sure your carb is tightened down good as well so you aren't getting any
leaks there ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 11:06:04 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior

Sounds like a big vacuum leak...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Danger
To: Ford Truck List
Date: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 10:56 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior


> I just finished installing a new 390 with Holley 1850 4bbl in my 69
F250
>and I seem to have run into something very strange. I can't seem to get the
>engine to run at a low idle, and when I put my hand on top of the carb and
>cut off the air supply, instead of stalling, it revs up real fast like I'm
>really stepping on the gas real hard or something. It seems to have real
>good throttle response and very smooth acceleration, but something is very
>wrong and I don't know where to begin.
>
>And help would greatly be appreciated
>
>
>Danger
>
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:03:50 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - timing marks

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> >>but unfortunately my timing marks are worn off the harmonic balancer,

I've had good luck with my balancer by cleaning it with sandpaper,
filling the timing marks with white crayon, and painting the balancer
blue. The paint won't adhere to wax(crayon) and it's easily visible-even
in daylight.
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 13:19:09 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Strange Behavior

Danger wrote:
>
> I just finished installing a new 390 with Holley 1850 4bbl in my 69 F250
> and I seem to have run into something very strange. I can't seem to get the
> engine to run at a low idle, and when I put my hand on top of the carb and
> cut off the air supply, instead of stalling, it revs up real fast like I'm
> really stepping on the gas real hard or something.

Sounds like it's running real lean. Probably has a vacuum leak, or you
might have to readjust the idle mixture screws-assuming you've already
done this.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:28:10 -0400
From: john.e.turpel bellatlantic.COM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes and vacuum plus bonus steering wheel removal tip

My brakes are not good enough. Kind of unsafe and even after mulitple Virginia
state inspections and adjustments no one has been able to find anything wrong or
determine the problem. After bleeding the brakes they will be good for about a
week or so then get to the point where the brake pedal has to go all the way to
the floor almost. The master cylinder could be the problem but assuming that is
O.K....
But my question is that when I pump my brakes, my RPM's rev up a few hundred
RPM's. Is this normal/correct or could it point to the problem with my brakes ei
misrouted vacuum ?

'79 F100, 302, no AC, automatic

Heres a tip for steering wheel removal from the junkyard. after removeing the
big Nut off the center of the steering wheel, its going to be very hard to
yankthe steering wheel off
without a steering wheel puller. Find a jack in one of the junk cars and brace
that between the dash and the steering wheel. Crank that jack while pulling as
hard as you can and it will eventually come off.


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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 15:20:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brakes and vacuum plus

>determine the problem. After bleeding the brakes they will be good for about a
>week or so then get to the point where the brake pedal has to go all the
way to
>the floor almost. The master cylinder could be the problem but assuming
that is
>O.K....

Why are you assuming its okay ? Have you replaced it recently ? Also
check for leaks, a small one that only appears under pressure might cause
this ... after a week, enough would bleed out that you would lose pedal
quickly. Another possibility is the bleeding technique, are you bleeding
with the cap on the master cylinder ? No one's been able to explain why
yet, but I have seen brakes that won't bleed right without the cap on ... I
will be testing the ones on my truck for this problem in the very near
future, so hopefully I can say that was the problem with mine as well ...
mine aren't to the floor, but they've just never felt right, even after 2
new mc's.


>But my question is that when I pump my brakes, my RPM's rev up a few hundred
>RPM's. Is this normal/correct or could it point to the problem with my
>brakes ei
>misrouted vacuum ?
>
I would definitely look for misrouted vacuum lines ... mine doesn't rev up
.. if anything it should die off a little bit because it would be lowering
the vacuum briefly ... check for leaks and routing issues ... mine's right
off a manifold tree...though I think you could also run off of a carb base
plate (not the EGR itself though) or a non ported port on the carb ...


Thanks for the steering wheel tip :)

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:45:32 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bed Hold Down Bolts?

Has anyone replaced their bed bolts lately (73-79 longbed)? The local
hardware store carries carriage bolts, but the square part of the shanks just
aren't long enough to make it through the square hole in the frame, plus they
were Grade 2 rather than Grade 5 like to originals (at least that what they
look like from the marks on the heads).

Anyone have a line on a supplier???

CJ (Colorado Jeff)
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:58:29 -0400
From: john.e.turpel bellatlantic.COM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Junkyard tips

My last post reminded me about buying parts at the junkyard.
Alot of people who dont know are intimidated by preconceived notions.
First of all a visit to a good automobile graveyard is extremely fun and
interesting. Someone who hasnt gone will find this hard to believe but take my
word for it.

1.)First allow yourself at least 2 to 4 hours. 2 only if you're in a big hurry.
Then some junkyards have the yard sectioned off some sections may be off limits.
My advice is to just wander through the lanes until you start seeing vans and
trucks because they try to keep the same types vehicles together usually.
2.)Go on a sunny day. Also wait 2 or 3 days after its rained to give it plenty
of time for all the mud to dry up.
3.) bring your tools box.
4.)If you have some young boys to take they will enjoy it immensely and can look
for snakes
and explore the junk cars.

5.)You will usually find all sorts of little stuff you want to take and have for
your truck.
My tip for the group is dont ask how much they want for such and such part.
Rather pull the part you want and take it to the counter.
Lay the part on the counter so that they can see what you have. Then lay a
predetermined and pre separated SMALL amount of cash on the counter and take
your part and walk away.
Works for me.


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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 16:19:41 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fun in the junk yard

5.)You will usually find all sorts of little stuff you want to take and
have for
your truck.
My tip for the group is dont ask how much they want for such and such part.
5.






John

How big are you. I can just see the counter man scratching his head as he
watches you walk away.



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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:05:44 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 rust and axle q's

probally dana 60 rear and 44 front.. There not going to put 8 lug on the
back and 5 on the front for obvious reasons.. you can get a 8 lug or 5 lug
dana 44, all that is diffrent is the hub, rotor, and all thr assembly..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 03:33 PM 6/7/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I recently (yesterday) bought a 79 f-250 4x4 , the body is in pretty good
>shape and theres no rust holes in the bed floor, the exterior sides of the
>bed however are covered in tiny rust spots, none bigger than a dime and most
>smaller than that. They seem to be mild surface rust, none are rusted
>through,,, yet. the only other rust on the bed isabove the rear wheel
>openings where an inch or less is rusted away. I was planning on finding a
>new bed with less rust spots on the sides but since they arent rusted
through
>i was wondering if that was really necesary. i plan to paint the truck
>within the next 3 months and cut out the wheel opening and install
>replacement panels if i keep the bed. My question is this. if i strip the
>paint and sand the rust spots down, maybe even chemically strip it, will
>those spots come back to haunt me after ive spent my money getting the truck
>painted?
>the door skins are also rusted at the very bottom, should i get new doors or
>just new door skins?
>one more question, both axles are 8 lug and i was told that they may be dana
>60 axles, anyway to tell for sure? thanks for any help you guys can give,
>
>Ian Coil
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:16:42 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - my mistake, my mistake

OK, Marino had to straighten me out again. For some reason, I had remembered
that the bed holes in this 78 frame were square, but no, they are round....

Just hate to have bad rumors start because of me...

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 19:34:13 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hot Starting

Another update:

HOT START- SLOW TURNING FIX
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| Antifreeze Buildup in Rings | Replace the head gasket & clean rings |

| Bad ground from Battery | Clean block and/or replace cable |

| Warped Flywheel??? | Repair or replace flywheel |

| | |
| Hot START- NORMAL TURNING | FIX |
|------------------------------|------------------------------------------|
| Vaporizing Fuel | Add a spacer/insulator under carburator |
| Warped Flywheel??? | Repair or replace flywheel |
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The flywheel thing is still up in the air- does anyone have any info on
this problem. I'm struggling on how a warped flywheel would cause a
vehicle to not start when hot.

Thanks
Tim 66F100 w/SWB, stock P/S, Custom Cab and O/D
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:39:11 -0500
From: "Christeen Bradley"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator

Is there any way to check a voltage regulator? I have a solid connector
that plugs into the pins so I guess I need to check it when it's unplugged.
Any help welcome. Thanks in advance!

Scott
66 F-100 Shortbox 351C

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:31:05 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltage Regulator

Christeen (well, Scott really) Bradley wrote:
>
> Is there any way to check a voltage regulator? I have a solid
> connector that plugs into the pins so I guess I need to check
> it when it's unplugged.
> Any help welcome. Thanks in advance!

It sounds like you have a "full field" test connector. This
replaces the regulator, and puts the full battery voltage
across the field to check maximum alternator output. Really
should be used in conjunction with a good ammeter and adjustable
load, but it will give you enough indication of whether your
trouble is alternator or regulator. Just plug it into the
harness and start your truck with a voltmeter on the battery.
If the voltage rises above 13 volts, your alternator is
working. If it stays below 13, then, well, it isn't. Don't
run for long in this mode, if the alternator is putting 60
to 100 amps through your battery it won't last long . .
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:53:33 -0400
From: "Beth and Alan"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 frozen caliper key

Hello All,

Just signed up and I have to say I had predetermined thoughts about this
being a bunch of knuckleheads giving misinformation to each other. Boy, was
I wrong! Overall I'm very impressed with the knowledgeable, intellilegent,
helpful, attitude everyone has.

O.K. with the backslapping over I'm humbly asking help with my beast...
Front brakes, jack up, wheels off, remove caliper retaining screw, try to
tap the support key out, Hmmm. Try bigger hammer. Nothing. Try yet bigger
hammer, start to dent support key.

The last brake job was back in 1985, 50,000 miles ago, so time has taken
its toll, but short of torching off the front wheels, are there any helpful
hints to release these lil suckers

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:48:16 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weight question...

OK this was posted in a newsgroup today and it got me thinking...

>what does the terminology "half ton" or 3/4 ton" truck actually refer
>to? Obviously the payload on a half ton truck is more than half a
>ton, and they actually weigh more than 2 tons. Just wondering where
>the termonology came from.

Anyone?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"



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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:44:32 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 frozen caliper key

In a message dated 6/8/99 10:10:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, barnstop 110.net
writes:

> Front brakes, jack up, wheels off, remove caliper retaining screw, try to
> tap the support key out, Hmmm. Try bigger hammer. Nothing. Try yet bigger
> hammer, start to dent support key.
>
Step one: Use plenty of WD-40 on the entire area.
(substitute your favorite penatrating oil);

Step two: Use a blunt chisel or brass punch and strike the caliper
support key. Use steady sharp blows. Keep repeating step one as often as
necessary to get the lube penatrating deep. Try to work the key both ways.
Don't attempt to move it in significant amounts at first.....just try to get
it moving back and forth. After a while it should loosen and come out.

I have also had luck in the past striking just the caliper support
spring. It is brittle and may shatter when struck. Wear eye protection.
You may get lucky and get this out first. That will give enough wiggle room....


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