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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, June 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 186 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - ****WHEW*** RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford Club Wagon Van 3/4 ton RE: FTE 61-79 - Braking issues RE: FTE 61-79 - Direct Injection FTE 61-79 - 77 ac refrigerant amount Re: FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Problem with new master cylinder? FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 Armrests FTE 61-79 - Re: Problem with new master cylinder? FTE 61-79 - Re: Braking issues Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Braking issues RE: FTE 61-79 - timing FTE 61-79 - Rims and such FTE 61-79 - Starting Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting FTE 61-79 - brake lines Re: FTE 61-79 - brake lines RE: FTE 61-79 - Starting FTE 61-79 - Re: books on rebuilding a 390 FTE 61-79 - Brake flex line cost FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford Van Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? RE: FTE 61-79 - Starting Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake flex line cost Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? FTE 61-79 - 4412 Re: FTE 61-79 - brake lines FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 06:45:17 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ****WHEW*** A school mate of mine back in 64 had a 57 bird with hot 312 (tripower) in it and he didn't know how to drive under 100mph......anyway he threw the front end of his shaft and it dug into the pavement, bucled the shaft in the middle and the point of the "V" came up betwee the two bucket seats and was easily visible from outside the car through the side window.....even he was a little shaken up :-) (which is saying something) He also threw his fan out the hood at 8k rpm after a rebuild.....:-) The whole thing went through the hood and left a big hole as I recall (been 35 years :-)) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > would have disintegrated half way there. Then he told me the > horror stories > of how a driveshaft could go right through the floorboards or == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:12:22 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford Club Wagon Van 3/4 ton My 460 did this so I put a long rubber line from the pump up to the hood and back down to the carb so there would be liquid fuel at the carb inlet at all times. I have a glass filter on it and could actually see the fuel boiling in the filter. I also put in a new radiator with more capacity which helped even more to keep the under hood heat down. In the Van this was a problem, in the pickup it has never seemed to be a problem with the same engine and radiator so I have normal line routing in the PU. In the van the engine cover used to get so hot you couldn't put your knee against it or it would blister! Is this engine a retrofit? Vans typically come with 351W, 460 or 302. The 335 series engines were never used in them that I've ever heard of? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Hi there y'all, I'm new to the list...I bought a 77 Ford Club > Wagon Van 3/4 > with Cleveland engine. Overall everything is very good, > > There would appear to be a vapor lock problem when the == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:23:47 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Braking issues I teflon wrapped my bleeders and gravity bleed my 78's with good success but if there is any leak even small seepage under pressure it will pull air back in. When you bleed normally with two people also remember to burp the bleeder after all is done by keeping the tube on it full of fluid while cracking the bleeder to watch for air bubbles. If you do this you will "always" see at least one small bubble and it is enough to make your brakes spongy, trust me :-) I've tried every method I've learned about and used special equipment and have never been able to beat the simple gravity system on my 78's. Newer vehicles with canted MC's and other wierd stuff in the lines may not work as well but the 78's cooperate very nicely with this. Alternatively I also actively press the pedal sometimes with a plastic tube, bled and inserted into a half full bottle of fluid to maintain bubble free environment to the bleeder with very good success but again the bleeders must be wrapped to prevent air from getting around the threads. BTW, I used "gasoline" teflon tape, not plumbing tape. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > >Mark, I think that you still have air in your system. > Bleeding brakes takes > >two people or a one man bleeding kit. The person pressing == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:42:26 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Direct Injection Trust me, Ford "will" make it happen because eliminating the starter is one of their prime objectives in the next year or so. They already have working prototypes but they are not ready for production AFAIK. At one point they even tried making the alternator strong enough to start the engine but then this idea came along and they will be going with it some day for sure, don't know when. All the things you mentioned are valid arguments but none will stop the project from being ironed out and produced. The computer can easily sequentially fire the cylinders to make the engine start and can repeatedly fire the same cylinder untill it senses movement etc. so it may be tricky to get up to production standards of reliability but way not impossible. They will do it and then my job will be defunct :-( - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I keep hearing this, but I still don't believe it.... those > sensors can be > just one more thing to go wrong, not to mention starting an == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:07:37 -0500 From: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 ac refrigerant amount > have a 77 F150 with a 460/auto and a/c. I've just converted over to >R134a, and I've put 24 ounces of R134a in it. It's blowing pretty >cold >now, but I want it right. My sticker is gone, can anyone tell me what >is the correct number of ounces of refrigerant for this system? I have an aftermarket unit on my truck (66) and the manufacturer told me to use : P=2*Temp + 15% Where P is the high side pressure and Temp is the outside ambient temperatuer in degrees F. Don't forget to do it with AC cranked on high and doors and windows shut. Others have said to slowly add charge while watching the vent temperatures and when you reach lowest temp and then start to rise again, you've added too much. Bryan Kirking 66 Step Side 352 FE, 4 speed Houston, Texas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 08:09:55 -0501 From: Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment >it doesnt want >to take the gas when you get on the >pedel With the engine off, do you see gas squirt into the carb when you manually push the throttle (quickly)? You should if accel pump is working. Bryan Kirking 66 Step Side 352 FE, 4 speed Houston, Texas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:50:27 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Problem with new master cylinder? The proportioning valve on the seventies vintage vehicles at least has a "residual" valve in it to keep the pads against the rotors to reduce pedal movement at each application (due to piston size of calipers compared to MC) and also has a simple spring loaded valve which reduces the pressure available to the rear brakes to prevent lockup. Without the residual valve the brake pedal will go to the floor on the first pump and will be mushy so it absolutely has to be there and working properly or you will have serious problems stopping the vehicle even pumping the brakes like mad. (with disk front brakes only) Timing is simply an issue of rear drum adjustment, residual valve condition, air in the lines and pressure. The brake parts will all move at the same time to take up any slack in the system but air will affect how each wheel responds to the pressure applied depending on how the system is separated, length of lines etc. and brake adjustment on the drums. Apparently the springs in the rear drums absorb enough energy to actually force the application of one wheel over the other on "light" braking when the adjusment is not matched but on panic stops should have no affect. Roundness of the shoes and drums, that is matching of the mating surfaces OTOH does have a significant impact on which wheel will grab under full pressure. Front brakes can have the same differences in the play in the slides, condition of the pads or rotors and even wheel bearing preload but essentially, if all brake parts are matched timing will not be an issue, nor will rear adjustment except on light application of the brake etc.. In a panic stop all four wheels will receive the same hydraulic pressure regardless of air or other factors but the condition of drums, rotors, pads, shoes etc or leaking cylinders will affect the way each wheel responds. (theoretically, of course) As to the 4x4 difference from the 2wd, there are more parts that move in the front end of a 4x4 to take up the pressure applied and there is more weight involved empty so I would expect some differnces but they should be slight. My main problem with the bronco is worn sliders, wedges etc. and still have some air but when I had the air pretty much out of it, a full pressure stop was "softer" than the 2wd, I believe due to the "old" parts mentioned above. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Yes, but I think brake balance and brake timing are two different > things. I have heard people attribute this function to the prop. > valve, but AFAIK it meters fluid for the front calipers, has the > switch for front rear pressure difference, and controls front/ > rear balance. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:18:19 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100 Armrests Hey Bubba, If your armrests are the same as a 69 (I think they might be), then look at the mid-70's vans.....I replaced one of mine with a van armrest....bolted right up... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Problem with new master cylinder? John LaGrone wrote: > Mark, I think that you still have air in your system. It certainly does appear that way. I'll bleed it AGAIN tonight. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 07:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Braking issues William S Hart wrote: > I have tried those one man bleeder kits ... I actually use one of these, but not to bleed one-man. Mine allows the fluid it catches to get sucked back in when you let the pedal up. I want to get as much of the old fluid out as I can. I just use it because the fluid does not flow out of the tubing when you close the valve and has convenient fittings. I wish brake fluid came in different colors so you could tell when the new fluid has traveled through the system. Hmm, I wonder if food coloring and brake fluid are compatible. > ... a couple more shots with the cap on, and they were great ... I dunno, this makes no sense to me either. > ... just be careful not to let the system run dry I guess... Been there done that. Had to pull and bench bleed the MC again. I tried to get my daughter to watch the MC while my wife was pumping the brakes. All I got was fluid all over the place and a dry reservoir. Oh well, at 7 years old she doesn't yet have a good grasp of mechanical concepts. John LaGrone wrote: >> You stop just fine, but as you sit there, your truck starts >> creeping and you have to pump the brakes. Time to put on a new >> master cylinder, don't wait for the warning light. > ... my clue has always been that when I hit the brakes nothing > happens... HA, HA. John's explanation further convinces me that my MC is good. The only failure mode I can think of would be fluid leaking past the pistons. That would exibit the symptoms he describes. Other than that the MC would have to be assembled wrong. > the brake light is always on on my truck, even when everything > is practically new, so we just pulled the bulb ... Mine never comes on. I put a new bulb in it. On a '74 is it supposed to come on when you turn the ignition like more modern setups do? > Just my 2cents One cent change. Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 Ranger XLT 4X4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:44:29 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Braking issues >> I have tried those one man bleeder kits ... >I actually use one of these, but not to bleed one-man. Yeah, I've done this before, kept Dad's garage floor nice, so he was happier that way :) > Hmm, I wonder if food coloring and >brake fluid are compatible. > Yikes, I don't think I'd try it, water is bad in a braking system, and I would suspect there is some in food coloring ... there should be some dye available I would think though ... it was easy to tell when I got the old stuff out on a former roommate's van ... the new stuff was yellowish, the old stuff was black ... >good. The only failure mode I can think of would be fluid leaking >past the pistons. That would exibit the symptoms he describes. >Other than that the MC would have to be assembled wrong. > Yeah, I tromped the brakes one time on my truck and the pedal hit, then all the sudden it let go ... after that fluid just ran back out around the pistons and only made a half hearted attempt at stoping me ... >Mine never comes on. I put a new bulb in it. On a '74 is it >supposed to come on when you turn the ignition like more modern >setups do? > I would think so ... it comes on for our 69 Cougar which is less "modern" than the trucks :) where is the sensor for your truck ? I was thinking mine was external to the mc ... >> Just my 2cents >One cent change. > Woohooo deflation ? Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 11:15:25 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - timing Manifold vacuum allows for a differnt idle mixture due to extremely advanced timing so tip in is affected. If you are having tipin problems with one or the other setup try the other but make sure you reset the idle mixture and speed before testing. I prefer the manifold vac setup and this gives you roughly 30 degrees at idle with vac hooked up and a much leaner mixture. One thing it does is allow for leaner idle mixture for cleaner idling, a richer accellerator pump setting to augment the tipin circuit and drops the advance to 8 deg's (my initial) instantly on tipin (WOT only) which is the same as ported or gradually decreases vac timing while advancing mechanical for a more advanced light throttle range (differnt from ported). You can make it work either way but you do have to pay attention to the settings, they are different for each one. As soon as you increase the rpm the mechanical advance begins to play a part so with ported you have the most retarded tipin (zero mechanical plus initial with no vac) and as the throttle opens both mechanical advances and ported vac advances when the throttle plate passes the transition port but for the first few hundred rpms there is little change, so it remains retarded longer whereas with manifold you imediately begin adding mechanical advance while retarding from a more advanced setting via the vac so with light throttle you have a more advanced tip in setting timing wise which requires a different mixture to keep it running smooth and clean. If you are experiencing spark knock at light throttle this could be the cause and would be a good thing to experiment with. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Hmmm... he will get advance at idle then because of the > vacuum, but because > its an idle state it shouldn't really change anything, all my > tuning is > done with this disconnected, when I hook it up, nothing > really changes much == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:26:05 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rims and such Jon writes: the rim has no center section. The Star is attached to the axle and the rim is affixed by bolts and clamps. Commonly referred to as "Dayton" wheels, I believe. Snip>> . >>What I am interested in is the Budd style F350 rim. The conversation may have been more than a year ago I just remember someone saying they bought new ones. Anyone remember? That was probably me. I purchased 2 brand new ones from a local tire shop for $55.00 ea. The salvage yards were asking that same amount for used ones, and I could not justify paying the same for used as new. I don't think there is any place to install the pop-top type hub caps though. I know there isn't on mine. I installed them(the wheels) on my '76 F350 2wd flatbed farm truck. Reason was, I was buying tires and radials were all I could find and they would not put radials on my split rims. Even with tubes. Refused to do it. I have two (2) original split rims for sale if anyone is interested. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:27:25 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starting Jon writes: >>Ford is working on this also. One added benefit if direct injection is there is no need for a starter. The computer looks at crank position, piston position, then sends a shot of gas at the proper cylinder and sparks it off. Starts the whole thing a spinning. You serious????? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:32:30 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting At 11:27 AM 6/1/99 , you wrote: >Jon writes: >>Ford is working on this also. One added benefit if direct >injection is >there is no need for a starter. The computer looks at crank position, >piston position, then sends a shot of gas at the proper cylinder and >sparks it off. Starts the whole thing a spinning. > >You serious????? > Yes Azie, I'm afraid they are, I've heard this several places now, and I understand all the theory behind it, just can't convince myself its practical ... well not on a 4cylinder anyway ...8's and 6's not too much problem, but 4's ??? Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 12:45:09 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - brake lines Mark writes: >>Is it possible that the soft pedal is caused by expansion in old rubber brake lines? I am considering replacing them next. No!! These flexible lines are rubber covered steel flex. Rubber will not take the pressure generated by a master cyl to effectively have any pressure on the wheel cylinders, so that is not the problem. They (the flexible lines)may be the problem, but not because of flexing or giving way to pressure, because they are in reality steel lines, rubber covered. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:49:21 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brake lines >Mark writes: >>Is it possible that the soft pedal is caused by expansion in >old >rubber >brake lines? I am considering replacing them next. > >No!! These flexible lines are rubber covered steel flex. Rubber will not take >the pressure generated by a master cyl to effectively have any pressure on the >wheel cylinders, so that is not the problem. They (the flexible lines)may be >the problem, but not because of flexing or giving way to pressure, because they >are in reality steel lines, rubber covered. > Are you sure on this ? I did 3 different brake hoses last year, all of them were rubber all the way through ... 'course that could be why they failed. I am actually replacing the front right on my truck in the next couple of days, I'll cut it apart and see if it looks different than the others I did ... I was reading a thing on stainless braided lines that said the tests were pretty bad for anything steel which was why the braided hoses were very hard to get DOT approval... though there are a couple out there. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 09:53:54 -0700 From: "Brandt, Chris" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starting It will work on 4 too....any old timers on the list ever start a model T ? I was shown a trick that was pretty similar in effect to what the discussion is about. Model T's don't usually have starters (option on the later ones...) and it is pretty uncoll to have to get out and hand crank your hotrod in front of the date ...so the enterprising young Fordaphile would hand crank the 4 untill it was just ready to fire. Now I am not sure how the next part worked but there was enough residual charge left in the coils ???? to ignite the charge when the key was turned. Little sucker would fire right up.... CB > -----Original Message----- > From:William S Hart [SMTP:wish iastate.edu] > Sent:Tuesday, June 01, 1999 5:33 PM > To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - Starting > > At 11:27 AM 6/1/99 , you wrote: > >Jon writes: >>Ford is working on this also. One added benefit if direct > >injection is > >there is no need for a starter. The computer looks at crank position, > >piston position, then sends a shot of gas at the proper cylinder and > >sparks it off. Starts the whole thing a spinning. > > > >You serious????? > > > Yes Azie, I'm afraid they are, I've heard this several places now, and I > understand all the theory behind it, just can't convince myself its > practical ... well not on a 4cylinder anyway ...8's and 6's not too much > problem, but 4's ??? > > > Just my 2cents > > wish > > Links > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html > '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html > '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:07:13 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: books on rebuilding a 390 > Jeff, > I am not going to tell you that Autozone or any other > auto store ever sold a bad engine, but I will tell you > that those places are run by accountants whose > interest is the Bottom Line, ROI (Return on > Investment) and Dollar Volume. They are OK for oil and > filters and new aftermarket parts, but I hesitate when > I have to purchse something that has been > remanufactured from any of them. I just went to work for Auto Zone as a Management Trainee, thanks to everyone for their concern during my period of "difficulty." I hope it works out to be a good opportunity. Most reman engines are junk. I've said it before, but just go into the back room of the store and look at the cores. That's where your new engine is coming from. 99 percent have been hot, and that's the worst core you can get. A worn out one you know the history on is always better. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:27:56 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake flex line cost William writes: >>I stopped at one auto parts store and they didn't have a listing ... another one had 6, 2 for the drums I have, but wanted $40 for the hose ... this seems a touch high compared with the ones we replaced last year on other vehicles ... anyone else have similar problems and know where to get good hoses ? Sounds a bit ridiculous to me. However $40.00 might be cheap rather than an accident!!!!!! I think (?) I gave around $17.00 each for a set for a 2wd F150 not too very long ago. At any rate, if you're losing fluid you definately need a new line. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:38:19 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? Does anyone have a good recommendation for vinyl paint? I want to do an armrest for a 78.....the body paint place said they could mix some for me for about $25. I found someone else who carries vinyl spray paint cans, but they said that dark green wasn't available from that manufacturer (I didn't really believe them, but I wasn't in the mood to quarrel with them).... Anyway, any ideas? CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 12:51:48 -0700 From: Al Evitts Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 Ford Van Sky: A351 Cleveland has the fuel pump mounted to the block rather than the front cover. Valves are canted and water into manifold is different. Can't figure 3d tank, which one fills it and where does it feed to HTH Al == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 13:59:56 -0400 From: tfreeman murphyfarms.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? What about Eastwood? I know they carry the product, don't know about the color. www.eastwoodco.com - -Ted Does anyone have a good recommendation for vinyl paint? I want to do an armrest for a 78.....the body paint place said they could mix some for me for about $25. I found someone else who carries vinyl spray paint cans, but they said that dark green wasn't available from that manufacturer (I didn't really believe them, but I wasn't in the mood to quarrel with them).... Anyway, any ideas? CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:06:36 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starting >It will work on 4 too....any old timers on the list ever start a model T ? Nope, hand crank an F20 tractor quite often though ... >so the enterprising young Fordaphile would >hand crank the 4 untill it was just ready to fire. Now I am not sure how the >next part worked but there was enough residual charge left in the coils ???? >to ignite the charge when the key was turned. Little sucker would fire right >up.... > This I understand, however you still need the Fordaphile to set the crank correctly, without a starter of some sort, there's no way to set this exactly where you need it ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:12:24 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake flex line cost >William writes: >>I stopped at one auto parts store and they didn't have a >listing ... another one had 6, 2 for the drums I have, but wanted $40 for >the hose ... this seems a touch high compared with the ones we replaced >last year on other vehicles ... anyone else have similar problems and know >where to get good hoses ? > >Sounds a bit ridiculous to me. However $40.00 might be cheap rather than an >accident!!!!!! I think (?) I gave around $17.00 each for a set for a 2wd F150 >not too very long ago. >At any rate, if you're losing fluid you definately need a new line. > I've been running this debate over and over in my head, risk it blowing out, or replace it ... I decided to replace it. My current plans however include swapping to front disc brakes this summer sometime, and I don't NEED the truck as I have another car to drive ... if it was 20 or 30 I wouldn't even question doing it, but 40's starting to get up there a bit, especially if I decide to do all three of them ... since one's going the others can't be far behind.... I finally found one at a place I used to work, it'll probably be 30 or less through them, just hope its the right one, he listed 3 different "styles" based on serial numbers, mine was the one that didn't....hey wait a minute mine is wrong, boy do I feel dumb, the one we ordered is probably the right one ... I guess I need to go by the serial number on the frame, not the one on the cab since the cab's been swapped huh ? *Bill shoots himself in the foot again* THe moral of the story was that even though there were 3 styles listed, the 1st and 3rd were the same part number, this is the same store that told me on Sat. that I was out of luck, sometimes it helps to someone who knows what's going on and not the newbie. Thanks Azie, and everyone for puttin up with me ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 13:13:17 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? >Anyway, any ideas? > No, but let me know what you find out! I will need to do this in the near? future probably! Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 19:23:43 -0700 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4412 Hi, The starting adjustment is 1.5 full turns out after it is gently bottomed out. I always use 3 half turn because it is easier to keep track of. If your spark plugs are running at a dark tan, leave the carb adjustment alone. If it hesitates when you step on the gas, the accelerator pump is probably not contributing to the cause. Make sure it is being summoned when you tramp on the gas pedal and if so be sure it is adjusted correctly. That's the thing that shoots gas into the throat of the carb- try it when the engine is not running. If there is no response, you should go to Auto Zone and buy a rebuild kit! Good Luck, Tim 1966 F100, 352 SWB, P/S, O/D w/3 on the tree == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 18:43:53 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brake lines William wrote: I was reading a thing on stainless braided lines that said >the tests were pretty bad for anything steel which was why the braided >hoses were very hard to get DOT approval... though there are a couple out >there. Okay so what gives with braided steel hoses??? I just bought a set for the frame to axle in front and the frame to axle in rear. Elaborate please becasue I still have the entire braking system to redo including lines, hoses, drums etc. As always, Thanks! Stu Nuke GM! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 20:45:09 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Here is the deal: I need to buy a timing gear set, lifters and cam for my 1966 F-250 6 cylinder 240 cid. The VIN code for the engine is A. My parts guy wants to know if it is the light duty or heavy duty motor. None of my resources differentiates bw a LD or HD 240 only the 300. Anybody know the answer to this. If there is a difference what are the identifiers? Stock Man 1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 17:54:13 -0700 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vinyl Paint? Old trick I knew about was to add 1 teaspoon of cod liver oil to a quart of lacquer.... works wonders makes the paint plyable.... Mike in Burien == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 20:32:09 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Thom, It is my understanding the HD inline 6 motors are nodular cast. How to ID them is another story. My book shows it as code A for gas motors and code 1 (one) for low compression motors. Would the code 1 be the HD motor? My guess is no, why put a low compression motor in a work horse? Did they ever intentionally put a HD motor in an F-350 or lighter truck? Not to my knowledge but I have been known to wrong many times! hehehehe You still don;t know any more now than you did. Sorry man! Tony the inline 6 guru, where are you???? Stu Nuke GM! (website is down at the moment) >Here is the deal: I need to buy a timing gear set, lifters and cam for my >1966 F-250 6 cylinder 240 cid. The VIN code for the engine is A. My parts >guy wants to know if it is the light duty or heavy duty motor. None of my >resources differentiates bw a LD or HD 240 only the 300. Anybody know the >answer to this. If there is a difference what are the identifiers? > >Stock Man >1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims) >1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 23:25:05 -0400 From: tony Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1966 F-250 240 cid Question Stu Varner wrote: > Thom, > > It is my understanding the HD inline 6 motors are nodular cast. How to ID > them is another story. > My book shows it as code A for gas motors and code 1 (one) for low > compression motors. > Would the code 1 be the HD motor? My guess is no, why put a low > compression motor in a work horse? > Did they ever intentionally put a HD motor in an F-350 or lighter truck? > Not to my knowledge but I have been known to wrong many times! hehehehe > You still don;t know any more now than you did. Sorry man! > > Tony the inline 6 guru, where are you???? > Tony has been sick in bed for the past 3 days with allergies kicking his royal butt and the flu riding shotgun. I would like to thow in the mix that I agree with Stu on what he has said here-- and it's to my understanding that the HD I-6's were nodular cast but I really have no clue on application. Of the 2 HD 6's I have seen, they have cast ribbing in the lower part of the block. Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony (MINE STILL WORKS!! 8-P (HACK!! COUGH!) > > Stu > Nuke GM! > (website is down at the moment) > > >Here is the deal: I need to buy a timing gear set, lifters and cam for my > >1966 F-250 6 cylinder 240 cid. The VIN code for the engine is A. My > parts > >guy wants to know if it is the light duty or heavy duty motor. None of my > >resources differentiates bw a LD or HD 240 only the 300. Anybody know the > >answer to this. If there is a difference what are the identifiers? > > > >Stock Man > >1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible (in need of factory rims).... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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