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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F-100 Physics Project :)
FTE 61-79 - Re: water pump alighnment
Re: FTE 61-79 - Crankshaft questions
FTE 61-79 - Vapor lock
FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage
FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Headlight Brightener
FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck
FTE 61-79 - Re- coil blues
Re: FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage
FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage
FTE 61-79 - Rims
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage
RE: FTE 61-79 - Vapor lock
FTE 61-79 - 77Ford Van
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:32:52 -0700
From: sgsiron augustine.gci.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100

there are different arm rests for all different truck of that year, but you
should be able to use anything within three years older to one year newer.
you will just have to look at the different door panels to find your exact
one. Some are metal door panels with an armrest and some are plastic. Good
Luck finding one in good shape.


Scott
Anchorage AK
70 Ford F-100

Don or Bub wrote:

> what other makes of ford vehicles has the same arm rests as a 72 ford
> f-100
> thanks bubba
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 00:35:51 -0700
From: sgsiron augustine.gci.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck

Is the steering colum auto or standard? How much for it and the grill I will
pay for shipping. What about the chrome around the headlights??

Scott
70 Ford F-100

"Forest V. New" wrote:

>
> Its been a while since Ive posted anything but thought I would let list
> members know that I just purchased a 1970 f-100 for parts. It has a nice
> grill with good inserts, and factory air. I mainly need the cab and bed for
> panel repairs on my truck, so if you need something let me know.
> Forest New
> racer23 mindspring.com
>
> 72 Ford XLT
> 69 MACH 1 Mustang
> 89 Ford Ranger XLT
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 06:34:55 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F-100 Physics Project :)

Kathy
The one thing that I haven't seen in the discussion about your manifold swap
is the reason for the smaller runners in the 2V manifold. That reason is
charge velocity. If your truck is used mostly at low to medium RPM
(1000-3500) the smaller runners will fill the cylinders better and won't
tend to bog on acceleration.
Dennis Dellinger

K. Moulton wrote:

> No kidding! Great class! Here's what I think I'm going to do w/ this
> project... if I can't find a cheap or free intake w/ ports that will
> match my heads by the time I have a couple days off in a row to do the
> job, I'm going to go ahead and bevel the ports in the heads to match the
> bigger intake ports. Then I'll see what the results of that are. That
> is, unless someone sincerely tells me that doing so will destroy my
> engine, in which case, I guess I'll have an intake from a '64 or '65 390
> T-bird to trade or sell cheap :) Worst case scenario is I'll have to
> bag the intake project and start hunting some used headers and a decent
> 2v that I can kit, basically just change directions for awhile. I was
> going to ask about the easiest way to replace king pins, but someone
> already did, and wow, what an answer! BTW, if there's anyone out there
> within a 2 hour radius of Seattle who has some extra parts they want to
> get rid of, I'm in the market for discussion. Thanks :)
>
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:01:21 EDT
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: water pump alighnment

hi

seems that if all the problem is that your pulley is to far back , why not
use a spacer between the pulley and water pump flange????
just a thought.

nutch
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:36:10 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Crankshaft questions

My error was number 3! I somehow switched the number 1 and 2 caps. I
found it this morning second checking myself. I reversed them,
plastiguaged to make sure and realigned the number 3 thrust bearing and now
I can spin her with one hand. I knew it had to be something boneheaded!
Now on to installing the rods and pistons!

Sorry Stu! I know how bad you wanted that motor. I to pumped up now to
let it go!

Thanks for your help!

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> From: SHill48337 aol.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Crankshaft questions
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 1:29 AM
>
> In a message dated 5/29/99 7:25:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> oldparts ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
> and torqued to specs. Now I can't even budge the crank. It will turn
with
> the caps loosened but not at the torqued value. What do you guys think
I
> need to look at? I'm thinking the thrust bearing is the culprit...but
> wanted to get some input before I go into round 2. >>
>
> I assume you base thinking the thrust bearing is at fault because it was
the
> last one torqued and after that it would not turn? I have had this same
> problem several times, I will list what I found. BTW I did learn from
> these admitted mistakes.
> 1. Installed Flex plate to aid in rotating crank during assembly and
used
> bolts that were too long.
> 2. Accidentally installed bearing cap 180 degrees from correct position.

> (the little tabs on the bearing halves must be on the same side.)
> 3. Made an error in numbering the caps and installed 2 of them in the
wrong
> positions.
>

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:09:52 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vapor lock

Actually wrapping the fuel line with tinfoil is an accepted fix for the
vapor lock, as it shield heat from the line (the cause of you problem. To
start, I would check the positioning of the fuel line, If it runs by
anything hot, move it (Trans, headers/exhaust manifold). Another cure is
to put an light electric fuel pump near the gas tank, to supplement the
mechanical one, the pressure provided will preclude vapor lock due to
positive flow.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:20:58 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage

Some of you may have seen the cover already, but
for those of you who have not... check out the July 99
issue of "Four Wheeler". This issue has the first article
in a series titled, "Project MPG". I don't know about
y'all, but I would love to improve on my 8 mpg ;^)))

Jeff Lester
Houston, Texas
78 E350 4x4
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:20:12 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Jacobs Headlight Brightener

Has anyone tried this on their truck?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jacobselectronics.com/Products/Security.htm

Just curious,

Jeff Lester
Houston, Texas
78 E350 4x4
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Date: Sun, 30 May 99 14:00:05 PDT
From: "jeff loosier"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390

Anyone know of any good tech books
for the fe series big blocks .Also has anyone
had any experance with the Autozone
remanufactured engines you can buy a
390 for around 1,200.00 with a one
year warrenty im trying to decide if i
should build it myself or pay to have it
done or by a remanufactured engine

thanks Jeff L

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:47:14 -0700
From: Don or Bub
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck

how much for the grills. and i am curious, how about the air. i own a 72
f-100. with a 302.
talk to me if you would.
bubba

"Forest V. New" wrote:
>
>
> Its been a while since Ive posted anything but thought I would let list
> members know that I just purchased a 1970 f-100 for parts. It has a nice
> grill with good inserts, and factory air. I mainly need the cab and bed for
> panel repairs on my truck, so if you need something let me know.
> Forest New
> racer23 mindspring.com
>
> 72 Ford XLT
> 69 MACH 1 Mustang
> 89 Ford Ranger XLT
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:47:41 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re- coil blues

>having electrical problems with my '68 250 240 6cyl.
>after lots of contact cleaning it now cranks but i had
>no spark at the coil/plugs. i put in a different coil
>and it wouldn't turn over with a key but would if i
>jumped the starter relay, pos pole battery to the pos
>pole on coil... now i had spark and she turned over.
>changed THAT coil out with another junk yard one (i'm
>in spain, can't get one off the shelf, but one is on
>the way by mail) and had the same problem like the
>first original unit, turned over but no juice to the
>plugs... the ignition at the dash is not original, but
>has all the required lead plug in's.
>
>also my starter relay has two small poles that if i'm
>not wrong wire back to the ignition (?), to get it to
>turn over i ended up leaving the red one off, with it
>connected it would continue to crank the starter as
>long as the ignition was on, everything works now, but
>what did the red bugger do? all newer ford relays
>only have one pole for an ignition wire but this older
>one has two...
>
>===
>Daniel DiMartino
>
>1968 F-250 soon to be a 4x4
>

The 2 small terminals on the start relay should be marked "I" and "S".
There should be a brown wire on the "I" terminal, it gives 12 volts direct
from battery to the coil for starting. The red wire, I think it has a blue
stripe on it also, comes from the ignition switch and is 12 volts to close
the start relay.
By the sounds of your problems you either have a screwed up ignition
switch or a wiring problem in the harness to the igniton switch. I had
similiar problems when the resistor wire in the ignition "run" circuit
overheated and melted several wires in the wire harness together.

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
390FE 4v

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 14:19:45 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390

Earlier, Jeff wrote...

Anyone know of any good tech books
for the fe series big blocks .Also has anyone
had any experance with the Autozone
remanufactured engines you can buy a
390 for around 1,200.00 with a one
year warrenty im trying to decide if i
should build it myself or pay to have it
done or by a remanufactured engine
......................

The book "How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ (ISBN #
0-89586-070-8) is an excellent choice for anyone building an FE or FT
engine.

I'm sure Autozone has good stock engines, if that is what you want. A
stock FE engine will last a very long time and provide plenty of power with
proper care but, I would rather build one from scratch and include things
like a larger cam (1969 428 CJ/SCJ/Police hydraulic cam specs) and true
double roller timing chain along with the heads rebuilt for unleaded fuel, a
4bbl intake with Holley to allow the engine to breath in, and a dual or high
flow exhaust to allow the engine to breath out.


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:41:00 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1972 ford f-100

At 12:32 AM 5/30/99 -0700, you wrote:
>there are different arm rests for all different truck of that year, but you
>should be able to use anything within three years older to one year newer.
>you will just have to look at the different door panels to find your exact
>one. Some are metal door panels with an armrest and some are plastic. Good
>Luck finding one in good shape.
>
>

68-72 F 100 thru the big boys 550 or 650 with the same cab and larger front
fenders will work. My neighbor has a 2 ton and it uses the same rests.
Cannot remember if it is a 500, 550, 600 or 650. I would have to look to
see about the correct series number. 1967's (the stepchild year) had
their own screwy arm rests different than 68-72's.
I believe they also used them on Econoline vans until the late 70's. CJ or
Marko know (I think) the exact years for the van usage.

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
(temporary server problems, hehehehehe. sorry tony!)

>Don or Bub wrote:
>
>> what other makes of ford vehicles has the same arm rests as a 72 ford
>> f-100
>> thanks bubba
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 13:51:11 -0700
From: sgsiron augustine.gci.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - books on rebuilding a 390

It depends, that motor you are qouting sounds very expensive unless it is
complete.You can usually buy a new crate engine for around 600 dollars but it is
not complete, you have to put all your goodies on it. I would suggest looking
around on different prices adn diffeent options. you can usually buy a rebuild
kit around 300 or so. I am getting ready to rebuild my 70' 360 which has the
same block and the rebuild kit was 250$. Check around!

Scott
70' Ford F-100

Danger wrote:

> Earlier, Jeff wrote...
>
> Anyone know of any good tech books
> for the fe series big blocks .Also has anyone
> had any experance with the Autozone
> remanufactured engines you can buy a
> 390 for around 1,200.00 with a one
> year warrenty im trying to decide if i
> should build it myself or pay to have it
> done or by a remanufactured engine
> ......................
>
> The book "How To Rebuild Big-Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ (ISBN #
> 0-89586-070-8) is an excellent choice for anyone building an FE or FT
> engine.
>
> I'm sure Autozone has good stock engines, if that is what you want. A
> stock FE engine will last a very long time and provide plenty of power with
> proper care but, I would rather build one from scratch and include things
> like a larger cam (1969 428 CJ/SCJ/Police hydraulic cam specs) and true
> double roller timing chain along with the heads rebuilt for unleaded fuel, a
> 4bbl intake with Holley to allow the engine to breath in, and a dual or high
> flow exhaust to allow the engine to breath out.
>
> Danger
> danger csolutions.net
>
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 19:25:21 EDT
From: Lion5859 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage

Hey Jeff,

I feel the same way, I own a '76' Ford Club Wagon w/ a 460 under the
hood. I'm not quite sure of the milage on it just yet, but I'm sure it's not
very good. I have ideas of putting a fuel injection system in this thing to
improve milage and power along with possibly putting a Jacobs Ignition in as
well for added power and performance.

Maurice Nielsen, Maple Heights, OH
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 21:23:15 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage

In a message dated 5/30/99 4:33:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Lion5859 aol.com
writes:


well for added power and performance. >>

Im not sure if you were here, but I posted on this when I installed mine. I
put the ultra team on my truck, and got a mileage jump from 8.5 to 10.1. Not
bad for a 460 turnin through 4.56 gears. One thing though, today it up and
quit on me, Im not sure yet if the Jacobs unit is to blame, but I'll let you
know. I did have a connectoer in the harness dissentigrate, but while the
Jacobs will not fire, the stock duraspark box will. Go figure.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 30 May 99 21:40:23 PDT
From: "jeff loosier"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment

what is the best way for a novice to
adjust a 2v carb on a 68 f100
with a 390 . i rebuilt the carb and
the motor cranks and runs
good at idle but it doesnt want
to take the gas when you get on the
pedel .The way that i adjusted it to get
it running was to screw the air fuel mixture
screws in all the way and then backed them out
two and a half turns then after i got the truck running i
began running the screws in until the motot begain to run
rough and then backed them off until the motor smoothed out
and the truck runs great at idle.Thanks for any suggestions
as i cant get my other truck into the body shop until i can get this one =

in running condition for transporation

Thanks Jeff l

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:52:46 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage

just fixed it. Jacobs was NOT to blame.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:36:06 EDT
From: monkey352 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rims

Thanks everyone for the suggestions on the rims.....I decided today that
I won't change my rims for awhile(if I even do).. But right now I've got
White Spoke rims(5 lug), and yesterday I repainted them white.. They look
good as new....I'd love to send a pic to everyone, but I won't be getting
my new computer for a while....Thanx again...

Jonathan
'62 F100 223 straight six, stepside
South Carolina

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:39:14 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2v adjustment

In a message dated 5/30/99 7:43:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jloosier airnet.net writes:


390 . i rebuilt the carb and the motor cranks and runs good at idle but it
doesnt want to take the gas when you get on the pedel .The way that i
adjusted it to get it running was to screw the air fuel mixture screws in all
the way and then backed them out two and a half turns then after i got the
truck running i began running the screws in until the motot begain to run
rough and then backed them off until the motor smoothed out and the truck
runs great at
idle.Thanks for any suggestions as i cant get my other truck into the body
shop until i can get this one =
>>
You set the idle very well. If you are not getting power then it sounds like
the it is not running rich enough when needed and that has nothing to do with
the external adjustable idle jets. Vacuum leaks aside, here are three things
that can affect the performance as you describe, they are:
1. Fuel level in bowl too low - Float set too low, fuel pump starving carb,
or fuel filter clogged.
2. Main fuel circuit obstructed - Power valve stuck shut, main jets
partially clogged, venturi feed or capillary tubes loose.
3. Acceleration pump not delivering enough fuel - suction check valve not
installed properly possibly on wrong side of bowl or not at all, or linkage
improperly set.

Focus on things that may have happened as a result of rebuilding. Probably
should ask, did it run this way before you rebuilt it?
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:42:06 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Gas Mileage

In a message dated 5/30/99 7:58:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:


>>
That is good to hear, I was afraid it might be related to MSD.
Burt Hill kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:08:53 -0500
From: "Sky"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Vapor lock

Oh, WoW, thanks, George, we'll check that out...btw, what are you calling a
"light" electric fuel pump?

Sky

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From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
[mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of George W. Selby,
III
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 12:10 PM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vapor lock


Actually wrapping the fuel line with tinfoil is an accepted fix for the
vapor lock, as it shield heat from the line (the cause of you problem. To
start, I would check the positioning of the fuel line, If it runs by
anything hot, move it (Trans, headers/exhaust manifold). Another cure is
to put an light electric fuel pump near the gas tank, to supplement the
mechanical one, the pressure provided will preclude vapor lock due to
positive flow.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
IsuzuG prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 23:10:34 -0700
From: Al Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77Ford Van

Sky: First off I have never seen a Ford Van with a cleveland Engine.
Havent seen a vapor lock since a 49 Fleetline Chevy I had used to do
this. Check Fuel filter, replace pump, or check lines for crimps. I
had a tank setup similar to yours on a pick/up Rear tank also fed the 3d
tank so I just kept it on rear tank till it was close to running out
then switched to the front tank. Gauge showed the third tank as being
part of the rear tank. If you dont have use for it take it out. I
can't imagine the bill to fill up all three tanks.

If you really think you have avapor lock problem, go to an electric
pump. FWIW

Al
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 01:05:53 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1971 truck

does it have automatic steering column? are you in columbus, ga?

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 03:09:00 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Go to the web site for more information.

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