61-79-list-digest Monday, May 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 174



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block
Re: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE 74 CREW CAB 4X4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets
Re: FTE 61-79 - Searching for the perfect donor truck.
FTE 61-79 - Another Dizzy update
FTE 61-79 - Selling my F100 for a BigBronco.
FTE 61-79 - Azie, Ross's address
FTE 61-79 - Re: Q-Jets
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...
FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
FTE 61-79 - Ford Shortbed
FTE 61-79 - Need it soon!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block
FTE 61-79 - neat suff in hemmings motor news
FTE 61-79 - Where can I find grille and trim parts for a 1971 F100?
FTE 61-79 - Diff/loose steering
FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project
FTE 61-79 - insurance for F100
FTE 61-79 - engine oil in the coolant FT391

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 04:40:24 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

I bot my replacement marker lights from a ford dealer in South San
Francisco..have the receipt and phone # if you want more information.

Mike in Burien

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 07:09:08 -0500
From: "commodore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block

I was cleaning up my 360 from my 71 XLT and found 352 stamped into the block
on the front up by the head on the drivers side. Did they use the 352 block
to make the 360 in 71 or does it mean that someone switched out the 360 for
a 352. I have the history all but the first 2 years of its life and as far
back as I go the motor had not been touched. Thanks for any help

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:22:39 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block

In a message dated 5/23/99 8:17:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
commodore uswest.net writes:

> I was cleaning up my 360 from my 71 XLT and found 352 stamped into the
> block on the front up by the head on the drivers side. Did they use the 352
> block to make the 360 in 71 or does it mean that someone switched out
> the 360 for a 352.

Your engine is in what is referred to as the FE series or family. Since
1964? -- Just about every block in the FE series will have the number 352
cast on it. Designed in 1958 as a 352 cu for Ford Edsel. Production ran
from 1958-76 and many other displacements used this same block including the
360.

Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 08:34:06 EDT
From: L7514 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE 74 CREW CAB 4X4

Is it an F-350? What kind of shape is it in? How much are you asking?
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 10:57:24 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets

>
> The QJ I am running came off a 1974 454 vette engine! It is not an differant
> as far as the fuel bowl area is concerned....and other than a bunch of
> fidilling with the jetting metering rods and the like it is nothing fancy
> (although I did do some mods to allow it to idle properly on 8 Inches of
> vacume at 975RPM) I bolted this carb on a spreadbore modified manifold and
> was extreamy happy with it on the 514! This truck is used as a play toy and
> milelage is of no concern.... But even with steep gears and a big inch motor
> it can get near 10 if not run too hard! This combo has been awesome....I
> have a Bronco that is a darn capable trail machine, holds it's own in any
> form of mud racing/bogging competitions...and still has no problem putting
> around in the mountains of Colorado when go wheeling out there! Oh yeah and
> it will dipp into the high 13's in the 1/4! And I contribute a lot of the
> flexability of this trucks motor to the ability of the QJ to run well no
> matter what we are doing!


Please don't get the impression that I'm debating the value of a Q-jet.
I agree with you entirely about the added flexibility the Q-Jet adds.
On my '65, it improved everything about it. I bought it with a 600
Holley on it, and it got horrible mileage (3-4 mpg) and no matter what I
did to it it wouldn't get over 8 mpg. The power wasn't bad, but it
wasn't what it should have been. I dusted off the Q-jet and put it on,
and man it improved. Mileage went up to the 10-12 range(remember it's
got 4.56 gears) and the power is great. You have to push it down a
little slower,(I have the air valve set to drop quickly)kind of in two
stages. Crack it, and stomp it. The power is unbelievable, and it
doesn't lay down until it runs out of gas. I let off and let it catch
up, then go again. It just seems that the way it runs that it's running
out of fuel, but I'm open to suggestions. I've had a '70 P*ntiac LeM*ns
w/400 (different carb)that did the same thing, a '66 O*ds Gutless w/
455, (different carb) even my '68 289 Mustang(same carb as on the '65,
but it would die out at around 6500) All were 4-speed cars with moderate
aftermarket cams, intakes and headers. It would be nice to know your
secret, and cure this problem, I've always just accepted it as a small
limitation. But I really like these carbs, I don't think there's a
better everyday-driver carb made. I still prefer a double-pumper for
racing though, you just can't beat an 850 for a cammed up screamer.
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:42:06 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Searching for the perfect donor truck.

I also have a 64 and the disc. change you will have to build yourself. You
can get kits or the different parts from catalogs. You need 54 spindles, 83
ranger rotors & calabers, and you'll need to have the steering link from 1/2
of your 64 & 1/2 54. My power booster is from 68 mustang & master cycl is
from a 76 grand marque. It all works well.As for the power steering, I've
been told and I am working on installing 78 f-100 2wd gear box, and tie
rods.Nothing is ever easy, if it were it would't be any fun ! hope this
helps.If you need how to advise e-mail ........wedive247 aol.com
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:30:21 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Another Dizzy update

I fiddled with it some more, and discoverd the reluctor freely spins by
hand, thus resulting in random timing within a 90 degree range. Going
junkyard lookin'. Also shaft had too much play.

George Selby
78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:20:40 CDT
From: "Shane Bevel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Selling my F100 for a BigBronco.

Hey guys,
Looking to move from my 79 F100 to a Bronco, 78-84ish. If any one
knows of one in the Dallas/North Texas area please let me know by responding
off list. Thanks alot. I would consider a truck without a motor since I
could use the 351M out of the F100.

Later,
Shane


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:43:39 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Azie, Ross's address

Hey Azie,

Here's Ross's (in Omaha) address.....he's "out of town" until about the end
of the month...

763ERS.DOF52 psab.aorcentaf.af.mil

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Q-Jets

I don't have much experience with a Q-Jet, but
Edelbrock sells a high flow Needle and Seat for their
Performer series and also for their Q-Jet(0.149"). It
seems to me that if you are running out of fuel at
high RPM's the problem is not the fuel bowl, but the
needle and seat. If the pump and lines(and fuel
filter) can maintain the pressure to the carb, then
the inlet valve must be restricting the flow.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C - 4V


>All of them I've run, even on the other makes, have
had this problem. I
>tried bigger, straighter lines, high performance
pumps, everything.
>They would just run out of fuel.>
>Next time you put in a kit, would you mind taking
note on if the fuel
>bowl is bigger than most? The feedback well(not used
on many
>applications)on the later carbs is open to the bowl
on some. Maybelike
>I said before, they put more capacity in a Ford
application (yours isan
>OEM Ford carb, right?) because they are capable of
using it.


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 13:54:03 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...

>Okay guys, I've been fighting with this "problem" for a while now, and
>I'm ready to ask for help. I've got a '74 F-250 w/ 360. I did the
>Duraspark change over, and added the adapter and large cap. Now, when I
>go to the local "Bend-you-over-the counter" parts house, what do I tell
>them I want wires for? '74 360? No, I get the wrong wires (Male vs
>Female) I tried a '76 360 (figuring it's already electronic.) Nope,
>same problem (the '76 had the small cap, same problem as before.) I,
>just for sh!ts and giggles, told them an '80 400. They worked, but on
>wire has a "funky" spark plug boot.
>
>So, what motor do I tell them I have so I get the right wires?

I know this is old, but i just got to it...
I've also got an FE with "big cap Duraspark", and had trouble getting
wires. I got one of the "make 'em yerself" wire kits, but they were
crummy wire and the MSD ate 'em up in about a year and a half.
I ended up buying a set of Borg-Warner "Nascar" wires, the ones with the
wound stainless steel core. They were about $50 at the local grand auto
store. The ones i got were for a somewhat later 400. I think '83 or '84,
not really sure anymore. Anyway, the part # I used was CH853. They fit
pretty good. Not perfect, but good. I wish 2 or them were a little shorter,
but they aren't so long that I've been able to get motivated to shorten
them...
And they are a nice shade of blue...

I put a scan of the boxtop for the wire set that fit my FE390 at:
www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/plugwirz.jpg

Steve
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 15:44:19 -0700
From: "Bill Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Well I started looking for the leak on the "66 F-250 and it wasn't the oil
pan like I suspected. It was the oil sending unit with a stress crack
exactly like you said it was. Thanks to all that submitted thier expertise.
You all have saved me time, a few headaches, and even some dollars. You are
to be commended. Thanks again, Bill

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:49:23 -0400
From: "Brad Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Shortbed

Has anyone ever tried putting a newer (86 ish) ranger bed on an old ('65)
shortbed frame?
I know they are narrower and that will cause some problems but I can not
find any other reasonable solution in my area (and price range).

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 21:00:01 -0500
From: "Nate Doelling"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need it soon!

Hello again all!
I am in desperate need for the complete information from the
tune-up/emissions control decal for the 1979 F150 351M 4x2 automatic. Mine
was gone when I bought the truck. Can anyone find this for me??? Thanks!

Nate

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:44:31 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360 has 352 stamped into block

even 427's and 428's had 352 stamped in them
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:38:44 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - neat suff in hemmings motor news

do any of you get hemmings motor news? there is alot of ford trucks in there
for sale, especialy in california, i think thats where the neat ones are. i
saw a couple of ext cabs and crew cab 4x4 in there from calif. you can also
find any engine or parts you want in there, but usualy at a premium price.
most of the trucks are over priced.

jeff grant

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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:54:21 CDT
From: "PitStop Performance"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Where can I find grille and trim parts for a 1971 F100?

Hello all,

I have a 1971 F100 that I restored a few years back. Now I am doing it agian
and making some changes/mods to the body. Anyway, does anyone know where I
can find good restoration parts for my truck?

Due to hitting a deer last fall I may end up needing a hood and right front
fender, along with the front grille and inserts. There may be some little
stuff here and there (like window moldings and such) that I may replace as
well.

Thanks.


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:58:29 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Diff/loose steering

Hello Everybody,

Tweety is finally back on the road. The diff was a mess when they tore
inside, so they had their work cut out for them. All said and done, I paid
just under $1100 for new 4.10 gears, carrier, bearings, seals, and rebuilt
driveshafts. I'm very happy with the way it performs versus the 4.56s.

Also anyone that has loose steering on their trucks REALLY needs to check the
bolts that hold the box on. When I had my truck aligned, they told me the
play was due to a worn box, so I never gave it another thought, figured Id
just replace the box when I needed to. Well, After a wild trail ride today
it got real loose, so I had a friend play with the wheel while I looked at
everything. Lo and behold, loose box. Problem solved!

We now return to your regularly scheduled program.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:06 -0700
From: "K. Moulton"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project

What a great mailing list!! I'm new to both the list and to Fords...
wrote once before, but now have some questions and nobody locally to
help me out. Still don't know what motor I have, haven't had the time
to spend on measuring the stroke, etc like someone suggested. However,
it's running really poorly, 'cuz the 2bbl has some leaks around the
throttle plate rod area. Bad leaks. I opted, rather than install
bushings, to search for a 4v manifold and open her up a little. All my
searching was to naught, 'till today, a customer just GAVE me one he was
tired of tripping over :) OK, now here's the questions.... Can anyone
tell me what this intake manifold is from by the casting #'s? C4SES425A
in one place, 3L22: in another. This intake came equipped w/ a very
thrashed looking carb, looks, smells and feels like a Holley, tag #'s
C4AF then a R and below that, A3LC. This carb's not in my Chilton's
'65-'86 truck book, so anyone know what I've got? Next question...
better to refurbish this carb, or to put a kit in my Holley 650 Q-jet
and get an adaptor plate? Another question... this intake is pretty
rusty, and I'm wondering (other than outside asthetics, of course) how
much rust is acceptable on the inside? Should I get it tanked, or is
the at-home remedy sufficient? Any ideas on what chemicals would work
best for cleaning it up? And finally, a confession.... I'm a newbie to
the Ford motor, having worked w/ GM most of my life.... I had no idea
that the push rods had to be removed prior to removal of the intake
manifold!!! (As I sit here and laugh at myself.... hehe) Uh, I've
never worked on heads that had a whole rocker shaft assembly... when I
undo all those push rods, then put it back together, will I have to
adjust all the valves again?? I'm used to changing intakes in a matter
of a couple hours.... I think I'll be doubling the MItchell's time
estimate on this first job... LOL :) And I thought this'd be my
"weekend project..." hehe :) Thank God it's already got dual exhaust
on it, and that all I need after this is rear brakes, tie rod ends and
king pins :) Those are EASY :) LOL :) Of course, after intake/carb
installation, then I get to do the fine tuning... w/o the help of a
book! W/ the 4v, I guess it's time to get the gas tank sensor
replaced.... I'll be out every 50 miles measuring the gas level w/ that
old stick I've been using.... ;) Hey, tho.... I'm loving reading all
these posts, and hope someone out there is willing to share their
expertise :) Thanks!!

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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 00:28:37 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project

Sounds to me like you've got an FE big block on your hands. It could be
a 352, 360, 390, 410, 427(unlikely), or a 428. The intake and carb are
'64 peices, although I'm not sure what they're off of. I would have the
intake hot tanked-no telling how long it's been sitting or what might
have lived in it! Check with your parts store on a carb kit. Some of the
Ford/Holley carbs require expensive parts and gaskets! Good Luck!
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:47:57 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

On Sat, 22 May 1999 15:36:39 +0100 "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
writes:
>Everything I can think of would be the other way, coolant in the oil
>since
>the coolant remains under pressure after the oil pressure drops to
>zero.

That is exactly what I thought . Yet there is only oil in the oil pan .
Even talked to a machinist about this .He said he has repaired some older
blocks with water jackets rusted and cracked into the oil gallery . The
same response from him was oil and coolant swapping places , but only if
the cooling system is holding the pressure . I'll have to check on that
next .

>There is one other possibility if you have an automatic tranny, the
>lower
>portion of the radiator is a cooler for the tranny and has been known
>to
>leak into the coolant.

I had that problem once on another radiator , but I have a separate
tranny oil cooler on this truck . Wish all I had was a cracked extension
on my oil sending unit !
Rollie .


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Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:33:21 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project


>bushings, to search for a 4v manifold and open her up a little. All my
>searching was to naught, 'till today, a customer just GAVE me one he was
>tired of tripping over :) OK, now here's the questions.... Can anyone
>tell me what this intake manifold is from by the casting #'s? C4SES425A
>in one place, 3L22: in another.

I'll assume that's a typo and it's actually: C4SE9425A.
1964 thunderbird manifold...
When You go to install it, take a look at the ports. You *may* find that
the intake manifold ports are bigger than the ports at the heads.
Might be a problem, might not. Not sure what size the ports were on '66 heads.
The '64 T-bird manifold *probably* has the large FE ports. Perhaps someone
else can tell you what the two common sizes were and you can measure your
manifold ports to see...


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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 02:47:54 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project

On Sun, 23 May 1999 22:02:06 -0700 "K. Moulton" writes:
This intake came equipped w/ a very
>thrashed looking carb, looks, smells and feels like a Holley, tag #'s
>C4AF then a R and below that, A3LC. This carb's not in my Chilton's
>'65-'86 truck book, so anyone know what I've got?
I have read some about rebuilding holley carbs , and the numbers used by
the manufacturer to identify them are on the air horn . I have had a few
holley carbs
and I have tried using the holley number to buy a rebuild kit and ran
into trouble when the store didn't sell the original holley kit . They
had some weird combo of #'s that didn't look anything like the holley #'s
. So be careful to buy the holley brand kit if you decide to do a rebuild
.

> I had no idea
>that the push rods had to be removed prior to removal of the intake
>manifold!!!
And the hood if this is an FE class engine and you are doing this by
yourself ! This will sound strange to some people that haven't removed
one like this before . That has got to be the heaviest intake manifold
known to man !

Hope this helps .
Rollie .

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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:48:33 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 F100 Project

You *may* find that
> the intake manifold ports are bigger than the ports at the heads.
> Might be a problem, might not. Not sure what size the ports were on '66 heads.
> The '64 T-bird manifold *probably* has the large FE ports. Perhaps someone
> else can tell you what the two common sizes were and you can measure your
> manifold ports to see...
>
> Steve
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>
> "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."
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1966 and later FE's used 1.75" or 1.82" by 1.16" inch ports. Pre '66
ports were 2.14 by 1.14 inch. A few post '66 heads were the tall ports,
so be carefull.
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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:25:28 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - insurance for F100


questions about theft coverage. They said I would be covered for "market
value". I asked how I could find out what they would consider "market
value" on my truck and they said I can't.

Seeing as I have about $7K into this truck so far I would be very
dissapointed to recieve a check for $2K after losing my truck.

They have a different kind of policy where you are insured for
"stated value" where you can say the value is anything you want.
It only applies if it is a '69 or earlier. The '69 cutoff is
fixed so it does change from year to year.

Anyone know of a good company that will insure my '74 for
"stated" value?


Mark in Southwest Washington
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- - --
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab>>>>>>>>>>

Mark
I have been with State Farm for many years and I had a 76 conversion van
that I thought was worth more than book. My agent
wrote my policy to include an addition beyond the base amount because of
declared increased value. I had a custom paint and interior. The cost for
the additional coverage was minor and even when the the value of the van
fell to nothing I still had the base value there. I've been told this is
true when you insure specialty vehicles and clasics. Just have to tell em
what you want - they want your money and will do most anything to make a
buck.

Steve


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Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 01:46:33 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine oil in the coolant FT391


since
the coolant remains under pressure after the oil pressure drops to zero.
There are many places the coolant can get into the crank case or oil
galleries but I can't think of a single one which would allow "only" oil in
the coolant?? In virtually every case it should "swap" so there is coolant
in the oil (most likely) and then possibly some oil in the coolant at the
same time but more rare.>>>>

I haven't paid attention to this thread until now but I had this exact
problem in my 67 I had several years ago. I purchased a short block from a
builder in Spokane, Wa. and we were moving across the country with the
truck. I started to notice oil in the radiator but never got any coolant in
the oil. The builder told me that it could be in my old heads or gaskets
etc. and wouldn't own up to the problem until I shipped them the engine. I
yanked the heads and found no problems-so I freighted the block to Spokane
from Ca. They did a pressure test on it and there was a crack in the block
from the high pressure oil passage to the cooling jacket. They sent me a....


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