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61-79-list-digest Sunday, May 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 173 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential & 460 :-) Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets RE: FTE 61-79 - If you have a few bucks... Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 FTE 61-79 - Re: Need Some Info ASAP on removing trim FTE 61-79 - Insurance FTE 61-79 - Alarms FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude RE: FTE 61-79 - Insurance FTE 61-79 - F100 frames FTE 61-79 - It just wouldn't be perfect! ;-) RE: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" RE: FTE 61-79 - It just wouldn't be perfect! ;-) Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 FTE 61-79 - marker lights RE: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 RE: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 RE: FTE 61-79 - Sorry Tony .... Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" Re: FTE 61-79 - Insurance Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights??? FTE 61-79 - Dizzy troubles repeat/more info FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE 74 CREW CAB 4X4 Re: FTE 61-79 - Dizzy troubles repeat/more info FTE 61-79 - aarrgghhhhh!!!!!! Timing gear problems!!! FTE 61-79 - Searching for the perfect donor truck. Re: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for pics of ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:24:42 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank All the later trucks have the rear tank as an option so they are available to fit most later trucks. I have a 75 van tank in mine right now and it fits right in except for the height which can be compensated for with longer straps and spacers to lower it. Mine holds over 20 gal and still sits higher than the rear axle so is not a problem. The typical auxiliary tank is about 18 gal, I think the van tank is more like 23 or 25 gal. I highly recommend the Poly tanks. I have one in my bronco and never will have to worry about it rusting out due to the proximity of the skid plate. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Still looking for information for a fuel tank for rear of the > axle on a 1970 > F100 long bed. Want to do away with the in cab tank. If a > swap tank is not > possibl can I have a good sheet metal shop make me a tank? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:43:40 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential & 460 :-) Ohhhhhh Contrare mon ami! I am getting 12! And anticipate 15 on my next build! :-) There is no inherent reason for a 460 to get any less than any other large engine when properly tuned. The problem comes in when you try to find "good" parts to tune it. They are out there but this is not a Ch**y with all it's attendant after market and corporate support so you have to do some research but it will make you a happy person when you find the pieces you need :-) Any idiot cam make a Ch*8y run because there are tons of info and every auto parts place has gobs of parts for them. We have to work a little harder but when we get it right we have something to be proud of because we didn't cave in :-) BTW, this is a tired engine, not properly built with stock spread bore carb, factory intake, cheap headers and low compression dished pistons and it still has the exhaust humps so there is a lot I can do to improve it yet without even getting extravegant. It is a 70 vintage though so has the good heads which is a plus already. I have a set of 75 heads and a complete 78 engine so one day I will compare the combustion chambers for kicks. Put a 360 degree Offy intake and Rochester on it should bring it up a couple right there. Flat top pistons, remove the humps, smooth the ports and match them and I should see another mile added and then the cam can play a large role here too so there is great potential to have over 400# and 400 ponies with no special effort or trick parts and at relatively lor rpms and still get 15 mpg all day long. I'll let you all know when (if) I get it done :-) Obviously if you have to pass inspections you will either have to use a differnt engine for testing and put the good one back in later or put up with less than ideal tune. Right now I don't have that problem but I am still keeping it in mind and attempting to build an engine which can tolerate the EGR system if needed which is the only thing I have to worry about on a 78. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Yeah, I know, Gary > gets 6 MPG, but he's just 'different'. I think it's from running > at 70 MPH, up on his lift, so he can watch everything go 'round :-) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:20:16 -0500 From: "Norm" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets >All of them I've run, even on the other makes, have had this problem. I >tried bigger, straighter lines, high performance pumps, everything. >They would just run out of fuel. > >Next time you put in a kit, would you mind taking note on if the fuel >bowl is bigger than most? The feedback well(not used on many >applications)on the later carbs is open to the bowl on some. Maybe like >I said before, they put more capacity in a Ford application (yours is an >OEM Ford carb, right?) because they are capable of using it. The QJ I am running came off a 1974 454 vette engine! It is not an differant as far as the fuel bowl area is concerned....and other than a bunch of fidilling with the jetting metering rods and the like it is nothing fancy (although I did do some mods to allow it to idle properly on 8 Inches of vacume at 975RPM) I bolted this carb on a spreadbore modified manifold and was extreamy happy with it on the 514! This truck is used as a play toy and milelage is of no concern.... But even with steep gears and a big inch motor it can get near 10 if not run too hard! This combo has been awesome....I have a Bronco that is a darn capable trail machine, holds it's own in any form of mud racing/bogging competitions...and still has no problem putting around in the mountains of Colorado when go wheeling out there! Oh yeah and it will dipp into the high 13's in the 1/4! And I contribute a lot of the flexability of this trucks motor to the ability of the QJ to run well no matter what we are doing! Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=231 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:55:21 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - If you have a few bucks... Stop and think about what many of us want to do with our trucks and ask yourself it this isn't a reasonable price to pay for one so well done?? I've got over $4000 in my bronco and it still has rusty floors, rusty bumpers, rusty tail gate and tired 351M factory rebuild engine along with ratty interior. How much more will I spend to get it into the shape that truck is already in?? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Just thought y'all would enjoy this one... > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/ep/mi.html?ad=157361 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 08:28:08 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! > I ain't on the jury, but I think this is just another money-grab. > The article I read (SF Chronical, a couple weeks ago), placed the > failure rate at about once/100k miles. There are PLENTY of parts > in a car with similar fail rates (this is neglecting the early > failure rate - which were repaired by Ford). I suppose the next thing will be somebody suing over having to put up with points-type ignition for all those years. If these crybabies want something to look into, they ought to look into why GM's ECMs fail so often. When you run the Snap-On Vantage diagnostics on a drivability problem, it's one of the first things to come up as a possibility. On a Ford, it simply says, "failure of EEC unlikely, unit is nearly indestructable" Those ECMs are expensive, and they go out alot. My bother-in-law has never replaced an EEC, and hasn't replaced the TFI module any more often than it's GM counterpart. He's put in alot of ECMs through the years. And I don't even care to talk about the pick-up coil in the HEI. What a load. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 09:48:11 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 Edlebrock makes a manifold I'm told as does Offenhauser. I like the Offenhauser design but have not tried it yet nor do I have any good data on it but I like the design. Remember the ford pattern is different so getting a stock ford spread bore manifold won't work without modifications or adapters. The offy is made to fit the specific ford engine and stock variety Rochester with no mods. Keep in mind also that if you need a kick down linkage you may have to fabricate something. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > You guys really have a Q-jet on your Ford motors? I agree > that the Q-jet is > one of the best carbs made, as far as economy and overall > driveablity. But > I never considered putting it onto my 390. Did you just use > an adapter with > a stock square-bore manifold? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Need Some Info ASAP on removing trim > ... has all the extra exterior trim running along the bottom. All I can tell you is most of this lower trim has brackets on the ends with stud that sticks through the body held on with a nut. Once you get the nuts off you have to either pull straight out to get the spring clips out of these big 1/2" holes (like the ones on the doors) or somehow slide the plastic clips back, or forward, to get them off the pins on the body holding them on (like the ones between the cab and rear wheel wells). The side moulding has similar plastic clips. If these plastic clips are available from someone, I would get new ones. If the 1/2" holes are rusty it will be hard to get the spring clips out. I squirted some oil on them, but you might not want to do that just before prepping for paint. As far as the Ranger and XLT emblems, one of my trucks has a nut on the inside, I presume because it was loose. The others had a little spring clip so you would just pull it out and snap it back in. It is difficult to find someone who knows how to do this stuff. I figure once I get to this point I will have to find a shop that knows how to get the trim off and have them do it. Then to a glass shop to remove the windows. I want my trim to look like it has never been taken off. Sorry, this isn't much help. If you find out how to do all this would you please let me know? Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:19:24 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Insurance Had a conversation with my insurance agent yesterday. I have been with this company a long time and had one claim on a totaled motorcycle. They pay what they say is "market value" which is always much less than you could ever actually purchase a similar vehicle. As far as I know "market value" is just some number they make up. They say they use Kelley, N.A.D.A, and look at local for sale ads. What can they tell from for-sale ads? Anyway, I needed to start insurance on the F-100 and was asking questions about theft coverage. They said I would be covered for "market value". I asked how I could find out what they would consider "market value" on my truck and they said I can't. Seeing as I have about $7K into this truck so far I would be very dissapointed to recieve a check for $2K after losing my truck. They have a different kind of policy where you are insured for "stated value" where you can say the value is anything you want. It only applies if it is a '69 or earlier. The '69 cutoff is fixed so it does change from year to year. Anyone know of a good company that will insure my '74 for "stated" value? Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 07:20:20 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alarms It has been 15yrs since I installed an alarm system. What are the good brands to look at these days. I don't want one with all kinds of fancy extras, just switches on the doors and hood. Does anyone make them without remotes anymore? Mark in Southwest Washington http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:19:26 EDT From: JefriHansn aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" That vibration at 2000rpm everyone was trying to help me diagnose - wwwellll, could have been the worn out pilot bearing - worn oblong - clutch misalligned about 1/8", which lead to the front input shaft bearing and gear worn gone. Could have been cause from no bellhousing locator pins, and the half ... way the guy who built this put the Lakewood bellhousing on. While I had it out, because the rearend has gone, the front end has gone, now the clutch/trans - in the 9 months since I bought this - opened up the 429 for a good look. Took the crank out - two rod bearings down to copper. Distributor pin sheared last month - because it must be the wrong one because the crowler cam gear is ground away - at a slightly different angle then it was milled with. Motor's been hot, all the piston skirts look rougher then the moon. Lets see - new rearend, new frontend, new trans, new Motor, new gas tank, entire new brake system, new leaf springs, - anybody got any ideas what else I should replace before I try to drive this thing again? Oh - and the L&L motor mount was busted, radiator fell about when it was taken out, etc., etc.. BUT HEY! Everybody says it looks damn good. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:36:39 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Everything I can think of would be the other way, coolant in the oil since the coolant remains under pressure after the oil pressure drops to zero. There are many places the coolant can get into the crank case or oil galleries but I can't think of a single one which would allow "only" oil in the coolant?? In virtually every case it should "swap" so there is coolant in the oil (most likely) and then possibly some oil in the coolant at the same time but more rare. The most common place for this interchange is in the timing covers on many engines but the intake manifold would be number two and the head gasket number 3 on my list of likely hoods. There is one other possibility if you have an automatic tranny, the lower portion of the radiator is a cooler for the tranny and has been known to leak into the coolant. Since you rarely check the tranny unless it's malfunctioning this could go unnoticed for a long time if the leak is slow enough but event this situation tends to put coolant in the tranny rather than oil in the coolant. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Now I have the bubbling crude problem in my 391 FT . There is > oil in my > radiator . Not a bit of antifreeze in the oil . Checked and double > checked ! No combustion chamber gases or pressures in the radiator . == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:43:13 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Insurance Check with Citizen's Ins Co, locatied in Howell MIchigan. Not sure what policies they have now but my daughter just went with them and cut her Allstate premiums almost in half. I used to have them till I got into some financial trouble way back and just haven't bothered to get back to them. They're pretty fussy about getting paid for some reason :-) It's on my list of things to do but not at the top yet. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Anyone know of a good company that will insure my '74 for > "stated" value? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:54:12 EDT From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 frames Can anybody tell me what year they spread the frames on the F-100. The inside of my frame rails is 27 inches and all the later F-100's that I have measured are much wider. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 10:26:30 -0500 From: "Darryl Wright" Subject: FTE 61-79 - It just wouldn't be perfect! ;-) No, no, no! A regular old slide switch *could* be Super Glued to the back of the faceplate of my broken Cargo Light switch. It just wouldn't be perfect! In fact, I probably have a couple of slide switches in my roll-away, waiting for another project. Perhaps somewhere on the panel of a Dragonfly (small composite aircraft designed with two equal-span airfoils). Her Krautness, here, wants *original* stuff for the lovely and talented Tillie, '76 F-250 Ranger XLT SuperCab. That switch is out there somewhere. I just need to know where to look. I'll chase high and low -- mostly low, 'cause I'm *short.* (LOL) Then I'll start chasing that elusive trim for the rear of my SuperCab cab. As far as I can tell, it's not depicted in any drawing in any catalog I have received to this point. Now that you know what my PPUH (that's Poor Put-Upon Husband) has to deal with on a daily basis, you'll have a new perspective on my request. ;-) We're talking *classic* here! With an ancient Ford relic in her hard Kraut heart, Nancy Wright and Tillie, an almost *rustless* beauty in Indio Tan and Copper Metallic. F-250 Ranger XLT SuperCab, 460, C6, whomping Ruffneck step-n-pull == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:47:52 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" Busted L&L motor mount??? Holy cow! At least they are guaranteed for life (who's life??) You listed almost everything I have replaced or put on the list except the engine (so far at least) Rear end is still working but both axles are leaking with new seals so I guess you all know what's next there :-( Np435 has no second gear syncros so Michigan stops are tough without grinding (I'm at about 50% success right now). Proportioning valve fixed year long brake problem, Pirelli's fixed cupping chatter.......wheeeeeeeew! Does it ever end? Oh, and put my foot through the floor a couple of weeks ago so that has been elevated on the list to about the 20th position now :-) If you click on the URL in my signature you will see the name I gave my bronco and it has earned it so far.....(most voracious of vacuums known to man, even a solid cowhide, credit card wallet tucked in a designer, velcro sealed hip pocket (this is a whole nuther story) can't resist it):-( - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Lets see - new rearend, new frontend, new trans, new > Motor, new gas > tank, entire new brake system, new leaf springs, - anybody > got any ideas what > else I should replace before I try to drive this thing again? > Oh - and the > L&L motor mount was busted, radiator fell about when it was > taken out, etc., > etc.. BUT HEY! Everybody says it looks damn good. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:10:55 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - It just wouldn't be perfect! ;-) How about an original 67 ranger work light switch with red light on the end and everything? Not really offering it here since I plan to use it myself but just pointing out that any good pack rat must have at least one of these since they are so cool :-) I saved one from my demised 67 when I tore it down (I keep everything that looks fascinating or has moving parts) I planned on using it on one of my later trucks but it's still collecting dust on the shop shelf. I pulled the wiring out along with the switch and light fixture and lens so I could make neat job of it if I ever put it in something. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > No, no, no! A regular old slide switch *could* be Super Glued > to the back of > the faceplate of my broken Cargo Light switch. It just > wouldn't be perfect! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:20:16 -0400 From: Bryan G Sheffler Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 Offenhauser makes all kinds of Q-jet manifolds. I haven't used any of them, so I don't know how good they are. They even have dual-quad Q-jet manifolds availale. Bryan On Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:00 PDT "MARTY COLMAN" writes: > >You guys really have a Q-jet on your Ford motors? I agree that the >Q-jet is >one of the best carbs made, as far as economy and overall driveablity. > But >I never considered putting it onto my 390. Did you just use an >adapter with >a stock square-bore manifold? > >I've been planning to change to a 4v in the future, but couldn't >afford a >new carb. And I've decided that I want to stay away from Holley (bad >experiences). I have a good Q-jet from my past "mistake" (ch*vy) that >I >might have to try. Are there any changes or modifications anyone has >had to >do in order for this to work? Any reason why I should not try it? > >Marty Colman >73 F100 390 > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:21:12 -0500 (CDT) From: hodgson2 ix.netcom.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 Hello, I'm new to the listserve, but have reviewed the archive without finding an answer to my problems. My '66 F-250 (300 inline 6 & 4-speed)has faithfully pulled horse trailers, hay wagons and other equipment for the ten years that I've owned it. I have a "new" '76 E-250 van to take over those chores, and want to refurbish the '66 for more leisurely pursuits. My first problem: a "flat" spot on the flywheel has become gradually worse to the point that I can't reliably start the truck without a lot of "rocking and rolling" I badly need to replace it. A local wrecking yard asked me what type clutch I have.(?)Should I just go ahead and take off the flywheel and carry it over for comparison? Is there more than one flywheel for this application? Also, can I convert it to an auto trans and use the stock driveshaft? While I'm asking for advice, I'd appreciate your opinion(s) about whether I should upgrade the braking system to a dual-type, I'm quite content with the drum brakes, but do plan a power steering swap. Thanks for any help & advice you can provide. Jim Hodgson Cleveland, Tennessee 66 F-250 76 E-250 97 Crown Vic Police Interceptor [company car :-)] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:48:06 -0500 From: "John LaGrone" Subject: FTE 61-79 - marker lights No I haven't dropped off the face of the planet. I switched to Outlook express and all of my mail to the list has been bbbbbouncing. Here is the way the law was written for implementation. Vehicles (cars and light trucks) built after January 1, 1968 and before January 1, 1970, could have either side reflectors or lights or both. It is possible to have a 70 model with an early model year build date (late calendar 69) that doesn't have lights, but only reflectors. I don't recall what the 69 looks like, but on the off brand trucks, the 68 and 69 markers looked the same from the outside, but they weren't punched for a light bulb until the 70 model year. The top of the line had a slightly different style light with more trim. - -- John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) http//www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 14:21:38 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 I understand the tooth rings can be sweated off and new ones installed by using an ordinary oven. If all that's wrong with it is the starter teeth you may be able to do this. The auto will be longer I'm pretty sure so a drive shaft will have to be part of your plan. The auto takes a slip yoke rather than the bolt on yoke of the manual also but that can be fixed by removing the ujoint and replacing that part. Probably can find the right shaft in the junk yards. I've made my own many times out of parts of others but they never come out quite straight enough and you can't balance them at home but they work in a pinch :-) 67 had pretty good drum brakes but conversions are pretty easy from what I've been hearing. If you were able to tow with it I'd say you're all set in any case with the drums eh? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > a "flat" spot on the flywheel has become gradually worse to > the point that I can't reliably > start the truck without a lot of "rocking and rolling" I == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 13:25:28 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights I have a set of the correct lights you are looking for whomever you are. Email me privately and we'll talk turkey. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 12:48 PM 5/22/99 -0500, you wrote: >No I haven't dropped off the face of the planet. I switched to Outlook >express and all of my mail to the list has been bbbbbouncing. > >Here is the way the law was written for implementation. Vehicles (cars and >light trucks) built after January 1, 1968 and before January 1, 1970, could >have either side reflectors or lights or both. It is possible to have a 70 >model with an early model year build date (late calendar 69) that doesn't >have lights, but only reflectors. I don't recall what the 69 looks like, but >on the off brand trucks, the 68 and 69 markers looked the same from the >outside, but they weren't punched for a light bulb until the 70 model year. >The top of the line had a slightly different style light with more trim. > >-- John >jlagrone ford-trucks.com >1979 F150 Custom LWB Regular Cab 351M C6 (Henry) >http//www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm >Dearborn iron rules!!!! > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 99 15:38:22 PDT From: "jeff loosier" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 68&69 f100 with 390s did come with the flag emblems and you can get aftermarket emblems from obsolete ford parts 1-405 -631-3933 there $69.95 a pair Thanks jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:50:31 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - flywheel problem on 300 inline 6 HEY ALL!!!!!! I just got a "hit-skip" in the parking lot at work! Just wanted to say-- Some people really suck!!! 8-) hehehehehe Anybody just a nice stock rear bumper for sale? Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony At 02:21 PM 5/22/99 -0400, you wrote: >I understand the tooth rings can be sweated off and new ones installed by >using an ordinary oven. If all that's wrong with it is the starter teeth >you may be able to do this. > >The auto will be longer I'm pretty sure so a drive shaft will have to be >part of your plan. The auto takes a slip yoke rather than the bolt on yoke >of the manual also but that can be fixed by removing the ujoint and >replacing that part. Probably can find the right shaft in the junk yards. >I've made my own many times out of parts of others but they never come out >quite straight enough and you can't balance them at home but they work in a >pinch :-) > >67 had pretty good drum brakes but conversions are pretty easy from what >I've been hearing. If you were able to tow with it I'd say you're all set >in any case with the drums eh? > >-- >Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, >78 Bronco, Gary >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 >-- > >> a "flat" spot on the flywheel has become gradually worse to >> the point that I can't reliably >> start the truck without a lot of "rocking and rolling" I >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:48:50 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Sorry Tony .... >I just got a "hit-skip" in the parking lot at work! Just wanted to say-- >Some people really suck!!! 8-) hehehehehe Anybody just a nice stock >rear bumper for sale? > Sorry Tony, no bumper here, but you get my condolences on gettin hit :( If I see one I'll let you know .... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:50:10 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD "The Money Pit" >Lets see - new rearend, new frontend, new trans, new Motor, new gas >tank, entire new brake system, new leaf springs, - anybody got any ideas what >else I should replace before I try to drive this thing again? Oh - and the >L&L motor mount was busted, radiator fell about when it was taken out, etc., >etc.. BUT HEY! Everybody says it looks damn good. That's pretty much how things have gone on my truck, and now, just as I'm gettin the mechanicals caught up and actually upgraded ... the body's starting to rust ... doesn't salt suck ? Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:53:33 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Insurance >Anyone know of a good company that will insure my '74 for >"stated" value? > > I'm not sure who Dad insures his "classics" on (newest is 1970), but they insure him, mom, me and sis so we can all drive them, but they just charge for us, not for each car, so he has about 5 cars under one policy ... it was a good deal for him, but they also worked something out with the values of it ... My insurance agent (State Farm) said they wouldn't be able to give me what my truck was worth so she didn't recommend collision on it. Thinkin about it, that should bother me, but for some reason hasn't really ... probably because if something happens and I end up with a truck that costs that much to fix ... its gonna cost a lot more to get me fixed first.... Check the ads in the classic car books, they are usually a lot better about getting the value of the vehicle right, don't know about trucks, but for cars it works. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:35:21 -0500 From: "Oscar Johnson" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights??? My 71 Ranger XLT F250 has side marker lights O.T. Johnson Prattville, AL == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 19:26:28 -0400 From: "George W. Selby, III" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dizzy troubles repeat/more info OK fellas, here's a fun one for everyone to mull over for a while: My F-150 with a 400M had been mysteriously stalling while rolling down the road. All three times it did it it sheared the distributor roll pi that attaches the drive gear. The first time, I changed the oil pump, put in a distributor and it started and ran for about 50 miles. The second time I just put in a roll pin and and it started fine, ran about 100 miles. Finally the third time, I pulled to the side of the road, and was prepared to replace the roll pin an the side of the road, except the oil pump was locked up solid. Towed the beast home, dropped the pan, and removed the pump, and discovered a piece of valve stem seal wedged in there. So I disassembled and cleaned everything (damn my oil pan looks good now), put in new valve stem seals using the rope trick, and put it all back together. The first two times you will notice I was able to drop in the distributor and time it by ear within 15 minutes and two test drives. That was just kinda guessing the where to put the distributor. This time I lined it all up with #1 on TDC, and put the dirstibutor in correctly, then put in the pump so it would all line up right with the OP drive shaft, anyway, now the truck will idle, and sometimes roll up the road ok, but usually it breaks up under a load, and starts sputtering and spitting above 1500 rpm. Sometimes it dies at idle, sometimes it doesn't. I can adjust the timing 30 degrees, and it doesn't change the idle by an appreciable amount, only makes it hard to start. I have tried connecting the vacuum advance to both the ported and manifold advance on the Edelbrock 600 non-emissions carb I have. It runs better hooked up to the ported, but I don't think this is right. When I hook up a timing light, the timing seems to be in the same place as TDC (I marked it, because I can't see any marks on any of the front pulleys. Let me see if I am adjusting things correctly: Which way do you spin the distributor to retard the timing, with the rotation or against the rotation of the distributor? I would think with the rotation (vac can back towards right) is retard, and against rotation (clockwise, vac can left toward front) is advance. (If this is so, then advanced means the spark is sooner before TBC, retard farther after TDC) If that is the case, when I have it hooked up to the ported vacuum, it distributor has to be in a more retarded (LOL) position than with the manifold vacuum hooked up for the timing to be in the same spot, but the timing appears in the same spot if I adjust it. Every now and then I can get the truck just about right, but then I usually screw up and adjust it just a few derees, and everything messed up and its back to square one. I have already replace the entire ignition except for the distributor itself, when I has trying to figure out why it wasn't getting spark the first time it died. II'm not sure if I sent the first one correctly so I sent the first one again, anlong with some new info below. When I hook it up to the ported vac, the truck idles with the timing 10 degrees BTDC, with the vac can about midway in the adjusting range, and when you rev it the timing advanced somewhat normally, and the truck drives ok for a minute, but then the timing suddenly drops 20 degrees and it sputters and spits gas out the top of the carb, and you have to advance the timing, then it idles but won't accelerate and it won't hardly start. When I hook it up to the manifold vac, the truck idles with the timing 10 degrees BTDC, with the vac can about midway in the adjusting range, but slightly more back (retarded) than with the ported, but when you rev it, the timing drops suddenly 20-30 degrees and then restores, but when you rev it the timing doens't advance, and even slightly retards. Obviously it truck won't hardly even move like this. Thus I can roll it down the road with the ported for a few secs (or below about 2000 rpm), but you can't drive at all on the manifold. I think the mechanical advance might be screwed up, how do I check. George Selby 78 F-150 400M, 4 on floor, 4x4 IsuzuG prodigy.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:54:12 -0700 From: TIGE HARMON Subject: FTE 61-79 - FOR SALE 74 CREW CAB 4X4 ANYONE INTERESTED IN A 74 4X4 CREW CAB? I'M IN THE NORTHWEST IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE I'M AT: THARMON OPEN.ORG LATER! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 21:50:19 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dizzy troubles repeat/more info > > when you rev it the timing doens't > advance, and even slightly retards > ............ Don't some systems have a vacuum advance and retard? If the hoses were switched, wouldn't that cause the symptoms described? Danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:28:35 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: FTE 61-79 - aarrgghhhhh!!!!!! Timing gear problems!!! Well, boys and girls, I went to the shop tonight to begin the assembly of my engine (short block from the machine shop in Nashville, TN) and I started by installing this very old NOS Ford cam I located in North Dakota at a po-dunk dealership. I was somewhat worried the cam may have been bent and may bind or cause problems when I installed it. It is several years old and has been sitting on a shelf for "God knows how long". Well, I dropped that sucker in with out PROBLEM!!! It turns freely and doesn't bind. This tickles me to death because I have fretted and worried over the straightness of it for a few months now. So, things are going great right now! I am all pumped and excited about crossing this hurdle and then.........things headed south in a hurry. The bad times started when I went to install the cam sprocket (a set made by Melling). The thrust plate screw on the top left rubbed all the way around the sprocket so - I called my engine builder in Nashville and we talked about it for a few minutes. He decided I should return the Melling timing gear and chain and exchange it for a middle of the road Cloyes true roller set. (You listening Jim E?????) Until I receive it in the next week I am dead in the water. 8^( I was hoping to have the engine running by the first of the month but I think we will have to wait a few more days. AAARRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!! Anyone else have bad luck with Melling timing sets or is this a fluke??? Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 23:05:44 -0700 From: Art Verling Subject: FTE 61-79 - Searching for the perfect donor truck. I have a 64 F100. I would like to update my front drum brakes to disc & install power steering. I was hoping to buy one donor truck to raid the parts from. What year or years of trucks I can raid parts from that would be interchangeable with my 64? Thanks Art Verling 64 F100 Reno AV ix.netcom.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html .... 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