61-79-list-digest Saturday, May 22 1999 Volume 03 : Number 172



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Peggy
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
RE: FTE 61-79 -
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Peggy
FTE 61-79 - Need Some Info ASAP on removing trim
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off
FTE 61-79 - Auto to manual Steeering
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - My Differential
Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank
FTE 61-79 - 302 for 390 swap.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank
FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
Re: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
FTE 61-79 - If you have a few bucks...
Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
FTE 61-79 - re:marker lights.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:02:46 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

Don't forget that Guy Rules supercede any auto/truck/hobby/sports rules. As
such, and I quote paragraph 1, section 4:

"Guy Rule #6. You can't be penalized for your thoughts or we'd all be in
serious trouble especially us married guys."

Your biggest mistake was pulling into Russ Dean Ford. What a goof ball
outfit! Any port in a storm I guess.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302


>
> Hello, my name is Dennis and I am a Ford-a-holic...
>
>As I was cruising to school this morning in my '62 Unibody, I was thinking
>about my other '62 and what I was going to do with it...So many
>possibilities...I found myself wondering if I should put a big Pont##c or
>Ol**m***le , since it is already all set up for a GM (it came that way...I
>didn't do it). Anyway, as I caught myself thinking those thoughts, I
>happened to be going by Russ Dean Ford. I immediately whipped my truck
>into their lot, threw open the door, got down on my knees and said 50 "Hail
>Henrys" as penance...
>
>I think I'm going to be OK now. It has been a great comfort to get this
>off my chest . I hope you (and all my Fords) can accept my apologies...
>



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:30:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Peggy

Hi All,

I would like to make a request. Please talk to your
fellow truckers and find out about auto shows in your
area. They don't have to be Ford specific or truck
specific. If you have a form or flier, great! You
can fax it to me at (770) 806-1955 or mail it to me at
PO Box 422, Lilburn GA, 30048. If all you have is a rumor
contact me anyway. I've learned of five shows in the
last 24 hours, just by calling for info on one show.

If you are wondering what this is for, Ken and I would
like to meet more of you, and we know that Pigeon Forge
is a long way for some of you. So we are going to try
to see if we can go to some of these other shows around
the country.

I appreciate any help you can give.

Sincerely,
Peggy Payne FTEI
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:13:59 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

>
> As I was cruising to school this morning in my '62 Unibody, I was thinking
> about my other '62 and what I was going to do with it...So many
> possibilities...I found myself wondering if I should put a big Pont##c or
> Ol**m***le , since it is already all set up for a GM (it came that way...I
> didn't do it). Anyway, as I caught myself thinking those thoughts, I
> happened to be going by Russ Dean Ford. I immediately whipped my truck
> into their lot, threw open the door, got down on my knees and said 50 "Hail
> Henrys" as penance...
>
> I think I'm going to be OK now. It has been a great comfort to get this
> off my chest . I hope you (and all my Fords) can accept my apologies...

You can be forgiven by dipping your little finger in the used oil of an
FE and dotting it on your forehead, and as bad as your case was I'd say
you need to wrap a piece of baling wire around your wrist and tell
everyone the alphabet really begins with "T" Then Henry might forgive
you.

As for us, go and sin no more.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:22:08 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -

translator
> -----Original Message-----
> From:ballingr ldd.net [SMTP:ballingr ldd.net]
> Sent:Friday, May 21, 1999 2:14 PM
> To:Ford Truck Enthusiasts
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
>
> >
> > As I was cruising to school this morning in my '62 Unibody, I was
> thinking
> > about my other '62 and what I was going to do with it...So many
> > possibilities...I found myself wondering if I should put a big
> Pont##c or
> > Ol**m***le , since it is already all set up for a GM (it came that
> way...I
> > didn't do it). Anyway, as I caught myself thinking those thoughts,
> I
> > happened to be going by Russ Dean Ford. I immediately whipped my
> truck
> > into their lot, threw open the door, got down on my knees and said
> 50 "Hail
> > Henrys" as penance...
> >
> > I think I'm going to be OK now. It has been a great comfort to get
> this
> > off my chest . I hope you (and all my Fords) can accept my
> apologies...
>
> You can be forgiven by dipping your little finger in the used oil of
> an
> FE and dotting it on your forehead, and as bad as your case was I'd
> say
> you need to wrap a piece of baling wire around your wrist and tell
> everyone the alphabet really begins with "T" Then Henry might forgive
> you.
>
> As for us, go and sin no more.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:47:19 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Peggy

In a message dated 5/21/99 4:35:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:

>
> I would like to make a request. Please talk to your
> fellow truckers and find out about auto shows in your
> area. They don't have to be Ford specific or truck
> specific.
Just found this site which has a lot of events listed. Hope this helps.

Car Show and Swap Meet
Guide


Stock Man
1967 Galaxie 500 Convertible
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:12:02 -0500
From: Jeremy Stiffler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Some Info ASAP on removing trim

OK, I need some info ASAP. A once in a lifetime thing has come my
way....Dad has offered to pay for repainting my truck! So while he's in a
good mood I need to act quickly. He would like to send it to the shop on
Monday, as in this coming Monday. So that means I need to remove all the
stuff that does not need to painted (i.e. exterior & interior trim, dash
pad, etc.) this weekend. I have a 1973 F-100 Ranger XLT, so that means the
sucker has all the extra exterior trim running along the bottom. I have the
73 Ford shop manual set and I see what type of connectors I'm up against. I
can handle all the interior stuff, the problem is gonna be the exterior
trim. So my questions are:

1--Is there any particular things I should know that the manuals haven't
shown me?

2--Is there a special type of pulling device I need to have to remove the
chrome?

3--Anything else I should know?

Thanks in advance,

Jeremy L. S.
1973 F-100 Ranger XLT "The Green Bandit"
360CI, V8, 2WD, Two-Tone Green

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:05:06 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off

Danger wrote:

[my truck spits back and then overflows in the hot sun after
a fill-up]

I've had this problem with my '70. Then, it was a big deal
because it made the cab stink. Now, it's a big deal because
at work if you spill gas, it's a BIG deal. Security guards
all around, trying to figure out whose truck, kitty liter,
fix your truck or we'll fine you, arghhhh!

Sorry danger, I can't help with a real solution, but here is
what I did. I would always fill up on my way home from work,
near work. It was about 10 miles, so I used a gallon. Made
sure I parked with gas cap pointing uphill at home. Then in
the morning, another 10 mile ride back to work, down about
two gallons. No problem with security now :-)

The best real solution I thought about would be a gallon or
so 'puke can', connected with a line to the top of the filler
hose, but below the bottom of the cap (did I say that right?).
That way as gas expanded up the filler, it would go down into
the puke can before flowing out the cap. Vent the can up high,
and then pray that contents would evaporate between fillups :-)
Expanding on that, maybe an evaporative cannister from a later
truck would do the job, vented into the air cleaner to help
with the evaporation process.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:16:53 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Auto to manual Steeering

Hi,
I havn't read my messages for awhile; so this is late. The power steering
shaft for 65 thru 68 is exactly 11/16" (.6875") shorter than the manual
one. Otherwise, it is the same and interchangeable. My question is: Can
the steering shaft be taken out the bottom while the steering gear is still
in place? I think it has to be unbolted. And by the way, if anyone has an
extra shaft for power steering let me know.

Tim
66 F100 SWB w/352, Power Steering, 3-speed Manusl and O/D
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:19:01 EDT
From: ICEMAN1952 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

Check the fuel filter screen at the entrance to the carb, also be sure that
the distributor did not crack the cap, to check this hold the cap up to some
light and look for any hairline cracks.
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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:15:42 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My Differential

Darrell wrote:
[Tweey's gonna get 4.11's instead of 4.56's, I'll get better than
10 mpg]

Sorry Darrell, 460's get 10 MPG. Uphill, downhill, empty, loaded,
pulling the boat, no boat. They just don't change. Confirmed by
myself, and a couple of buddies at work. Yeah, I know, Gary
gets 6 MPG, but he's just 'different'. I think it's from running
at 70 MPH, up on his lift, so he can watch everything go 'round :-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:48:22 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

Jon wrote:
>
> This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved
> durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65
> F100 and love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford
> is being sued for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!!

[Lawsuit snipped]

Not duraspark, but TFI-IV. This is the long plastic package that
bolts right on the distributor, and it is a nasty enviroment for
electronics. I've had one failure ('87 Bronco II), but my '88
Aerostar went 150k over 11 years without me touching the
distributor. My '70 has points (61-79 FTE content). And, I'm not
convinced the failure I had was any more than an intermittant
contact.

As an engineer, I have designed circuits using a thick film
process. 'Thick Film' refers to the process of laying down
conductors, resistors, and sometimes inductors and capacitors
using paste and a silkscreen-like process. These form a film,
which is then cured at high temp in an oven. When finished,
they look a lot like a printed circuit, except the substrate
(the base material) is typically alumina (ceramic), or saphire
(crystal). It is a GREAT material to conduct heat away from
electrical, and is very well characterised for microwave cicuits.

I thought the TFI-IV that I took apart (it's still on my desk
at work, to show other engineer-geeks) was an excellent design,
trading off costs and performance (always). I also thought it
was a crummy location to hang such a circuit.

I ain't on the jury, but I think this is just another money-grab.
The article I read (SF Chronical, a couple weeks ago), placed the
failure rate at about once/100k miles. There are PLENTY of parts
in a car with similar fail rates (this is neglecting the early
failure rate - which were repaired by Ford).

Just My NSHO
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:10:07 -0500
From: "Freewheel"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

As a former Ford dealer mechanic, my experance has been that sometimes by
mistake a mechanic will use it as a convient handle to try and turn the
distributer, If i remember correctly Ford even issued a service bullitin
about not doing this. What would happen is that the module would flex and
crack the circut board inside. causing it to cut out as it woild then expand
and contract from heat in the engine compartment. In almost every case where
we had a failure it was becouse of this. I can not blame non-Ford mechanics
as being the only ones that are guilty of this practice, it was too easy for
any mechanic to make this mechanic on a stuck distributer.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Brown
To:
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!


> Jon wrote:
> >
> > This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved
> > durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65
> > F100 and love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford
> > is being sued for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!!
>
> [Lawsuit snipped]
>
> Not duraspark, but TFI-IV. This is the long plastic package that
> bolts right on the distributor, and it is a nasty enviroment for
> electronics. I've had one failure ('87 Bronco II), but my '88
> Aerostar went 150k over 11 years without me touching the
> distributor. My '70 has points (61-79 FTE content). And, I'm not
> convinced the failure I had was any more than an intermittant
> contact.
>
> As an engineer, I have designed circuits using a thick film
> process. 'Thick Film' refers to the process of laying down
> conductors, resistors, and sometimes inductors and capacitors
> using paste and a silkscreen-like process. These form a film,
> which is then cured at high temp in an oven. When finished,
> they look a lot like a printed circuit, except the substrate
> (the base material) is typically alumina (ceramic), or saphire
> (crystal). It is a GREAT material to conduct heat away from
> electrical, and is very well characterised for microwave cicuits.
>
> I thought the TFI-IV that I took apart (it's still on my desk
> at work, to show other engineer-geeks) was an excellent design,
> trading off costs and performance (always). I also thought it
> was a crummy location to hang such a circuit.
>
> I ain't on the jury, but I think this is just another money-grab.
> The article I read (SF Chronical, a couple weeks ago), placed the
> failure rate at about once/100k miles. There are PLENTY of parts
> in a car with similar fail rates (this is neglecting the early
> failure rate - which were repaired by Ford).
>
> Just My NSHO
> --
> Pat Brown
> Sebastopol, California
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:50:30 EDT
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank

Still looking for information for a fuel tank for rear of the axle on a 1970
F100 long bed. Want to do away with the in cab tank. If a swap tank is not
possibl can I have a good sheet metal shop make me a tank?
Thanks
Ed
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:12:09 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank

Try the fuel cell from a 70 mustang, it should fit . The spare tire will have
to go . Fill it thru the hole you cut in the bumper , cover that with fold
down license plate holder.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 20:29:22 -0500
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 for 390 swap.

I think my 390 is GREAT! I have a 1970 F250 Camper Special with the 390
and C-6. With a truck that heavy I think the 302 would be under powered.
But I haul around a car trailer, tools and 50 gallons of race gas.

Jerry

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:28:08 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank

Carolina Classics has a kit that uses the original tank and relocates it to the front of the Styleside bed. It says "complete bolt in unit, only takes up "8 of bed space up front" Ph. # 1-800-598-4211.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 19:07:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: chinacat sun
Subject: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

I have been looking every where for the rear side marker lights for my
72 f-100 , I just bought a set from some one over the internet and
insteed of the lights got the reflectors for the -68. did the 69 have
reflectors or lights?? that was what these clame to be??
_____________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 22:22:13 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

I believe the '69 had reflectors and not lights on the side. I don't think
those came out until '70 or '71.

- -Ted

- ----------
> From: chinacat sun
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???
> Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 10:07 PM
>
>
> I have been looking every where for the rear side marker lights for my
> 72 f-100 , I just bought a set from some one over the internet and
> insteed of the lights got the reflectors for the -68. did the 69 have
> reflectors or lights?? that was what these clame to be??
> _____________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:59:01 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

>
> I have been looking every where for the rear side marker lights for my
> 72 f-100 , I just bought a set from some one over the internet and
> insteed of the lights got the reflectors for the -68. did the 69 have
> reflectors or lights?? that was what these clame to be??
>
...........

The 68 and the 69 both have the same side marker "reflectors" for the
rear with red lens. There is also a red lens reflector below the taillight.
The front fender has side marker "lights" with yellow lens.


Danger
danger csolutions.net
69 F250 CS auto
69 F250 CS T-18
68 F250 CS parts in boxes


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:28:48 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale

Hi Chris. I'm not sure what they are worth, but if it is reasonable, I
am interested in the 205 t-case and the NP 435. I don't really need the
tranny, just the tail shaft, cause I have a married dana 21 (I think)
and I'm going to assume that the 205 is divorced? Where are you located?

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Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:50:45 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

Ted & Sarah Freeman wrote:

> I believe the '69 had reflectors and not lights on the side. I don't think
> those came out until '70 or '71.
>
> -Ted

It must have been '71. My '70 has reflectors.


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When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:53:55 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

On Fri, 21 May 1999 07:46:25 -0400 "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
writes:
>It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem. It
>hangs out
>too far with no support and the threaded area in the block causes a
>stress
>crack condition which eventually fails.

All of the parts that are under oil pressure can spring a very
substantial leak . The areas on the sending unit that are joined together
and where it is threaded into the extension or the block can leak without
a catastrophic failure of the metal it is made of .
Although the sending unit ( warning light type ) I had fail on me has
plastic inside of it , which is where the connector comes out of it .
I am sure it was an old piece .
Now I have the bubbling crude problem in my 391 FT . There is oil in my
radiator . Not a bit of antifreeze in the oil . Checked and double
checked ! No combustion chamber gases or pressures in the radiator .
Anyone had this before ?
Rollie .

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 01:30:37 -0500
From: Jeff Lester
Subject: FTE 61-79 - If you have a few bucks...

Just thought y'all would enjoy this one...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ep.com/ep/mi.html?ad=157361

Jeff - Houston
78 E350 4x4
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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 02:29:10 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - marker lights???

MC wrote:
>
> Ted & Sarah Freeman wrote:
>
> > I believe the '69 had reflectors and not lights on the side. I don't think
> > those came out until '70 or '71.
> >
> > -Ted
>
> It must have been '71. My '70 has reflectors.
>
> --
> Matt Cozad
> When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.....


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