61-79-list-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 171



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential, 460
FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
RE: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
FTE 61-79 - Q-jets
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box
FTE 61-79 - Re:swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
RE: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude, spark plugs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)
FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale
RE: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390
FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt
RE: FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:27:32 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential, 460

When I first put my 460 in the pickup with 2.75 gears, hot intake, hot air
intake, factory spread bore (tossed the Holley), stock, cracked exhaust
manifolds, 2 into 1 exhauset and wide ratio C-6 I could break the rear tires
loose at 45 mph simply by stepping on it and down shifting to second. It's
a little more tired now so won't do it anymore but the first time that
happened to me I almost wet my pants :-) It still gets nearly 12 mpg but
with 4.11 gears, cold manifold and Holley it only got about 6 mpg.

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> Ive geared up to a 4.11, hopefully my mileage will creep into
> the 11s, and I
> hope not to sacrifice too much oomph. I'm pretty sure Im
> gonna loose the
> abilty to do a 2nd gear burnout though, that was cool!
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:27:39 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

> Greetings from California! I have a '66 F-250 with a '92 5.0 litre engine in
> it. The motor itself has over 100,000 miles on it and still runs great.
> Yesterday when I pulled out of the driveway there was a puddle of oil smack
> dab right in the middle of the driveway. Upon inspection of the underside of
> the vehicle(with engine running), I noticed oil bubbling out of what
> appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil filter. I replaced
> the filter to no avail. The leak doesn't seem to be coming from anywhere
> else and traveling to this spot(front main, valve covers, etc.). My question
> to one of the most intelligent group of individuals on the net is---Is this
> an unusual place for an oil leak, or is there another common spot that this
> leak could be coming from such as an oil pressure sensor or something else
> in that area? I would hate to have to pull the oil pan if I didn't have to.
> Your comments are definately appreciated---Thanks! Bill

About all Ford engines of that vintage have trouble with the oil pan and
valve cover gasket(s) failing. Ford had a TSB on it and sells an
updated part. I don't know for sure, but Fel-Pro probably makes an
improved part also.

Another thing to check is the oil sending unit, they sometimes will leak
too.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:37:14 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.

Make sure you get the one you need. There are at least two snap ring groove
locations I know of and you must have the correct one for your application.
Tom's broncos and Jeffs bronco grave yard are good sources for used axles
and parts. I bought a good axle from Tom's for $75 which included both axle
sections and ujoint (used of course). They also have new ones along with
rebuild kits for Np435's and 205's etc..

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> >on a 78 f150 4x4, i need the short outer axle shaft. on the
> left side,for a
> >dana 44 is this a dana part or ford part?i also need the
> manual hub does
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:30:12 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

At 11:10 PM 5/20/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Hi im new to the list and i just though i would
>ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
>on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
>and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
>the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
>anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
>crossmember exct:that might be involved
>
> Thanks jeff l
> Muscle Shoals Al.
>
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Jeff,

Can't tell you about whats involved in the swap, but, I'd consider
rebuilding what you've got. The 390 is a great engine for trucks. The 302
is a good engine too, but, if you're used to 390 power, I think youll be
disappointed. Also, the c-6 transmission beats the c-4 hands down, IMHO.
Just something to think about.

Stoney

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:25:56 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved
durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65 F100 and
love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford is being sued
for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!!


OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) _ In the opening round of a major class-action suit,
a lawyer for 3 million California vehicle
owners has told jurors Ford Motor Co. knew an ignition device was prone
to overhearing and stalling but hid the problem for 15 years.

The device, called the thick film ignition module or TFI, is essential to
safe operation of the car, attorney Paul D. Nelson said Tuesday. ``Ford
knew early on that it would fail at extremely high rates, and knew how to
fix it ... but had to keep it secret.''

Ford lawyer Warren Platt denied any safety problem, product defect or
deception of either the government or the public. He noted that none of
the five named plaintiffs, or the millions of customers they claim to
represent, allege any physical injury or property damage.

If millions of vehicles sold for 15 years were at risk of stalling as the
plaintiffs claim, Platt said, ``Ford's sales and market share would have
gone in the tank.''

The suit, the largest class action to go to trial against a U.S.
automaker, seeks $3 billion in damages under a California law requiring
businesses to pay $1,000 for each deceptive sale or illegal practice.
Plaintiffs' lawyers say they also will ask for replacement costs and
punitive damages.

Lawyers estimate the trial will last two months.

Ford first installed an electronic ignition system in its 1972 vehicles,
to meet federal clean-air requirements, and later replaced it with the
lighter, more efficient TFI, starting with some 1983 models.

The problem, Nelson said, arose when Ford ``chose to mount the device on
the hottest part of the engine, on the distributor, directly above the
engine block.'' That saved $4 per vehicle but exposed the TFI to
temperatures ``on the ragged edge of reliability,'' the lawyer said.

He said a Ford engineer warned in a May 1982 memo that the device was
likely to overheat at high temperatures, causing engine stalls. Ford soon
received a flood of complaints from customers and dealers, and has had to
replace TFI modules in 15 million vehicles, Nelson said.

But Platt, Ford's lawyer, said company and government studies have found
that mounting the TFI on the distributor above the engine does not
increase the risk of stalling or accidents. Five successive
investigations by the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration concluded the device was not a safety hazard, Platt said.

``This is the very best location for the TFI from the standpoint of
reliability and performance,'' a mounting chosen by 70 percent of
manufacturers that use the TFI, Platt told the jury.

But Nelson contended that Ford had withheld crucial documents from the
agency.

The suit covers 1.8 million owners and 1.2 million former owners in
California of Ford vehicles from model years 1983-95, when the TFI
mounting was used.


Jon E. Purut
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:41:25 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Have you tried tightening the pan bolts? Silly I know but you'd be amazed
at how often that's all it needs :-) The torque on pan bolts is only 12-15#
as I recall which isn't really quite adequate when the gasket shrinks so the
bolts need periodic tightening. Do not over tighten to the extent that the
metal begins to deform or you will introduce even more leaks.

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> > the vehicle(with engine running), I noticed oil bubbling out of what
> > appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil
> filter. I replaced
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:46:25 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem. It hangs out
too far with no support and the threaded area in the block causes a stress
crack condition which eventually fails. I've had them fall completely off
the engine and actually blew an engine once due to this.

Mechanical fuel pumps can leak too but usually the first clue is fuel in the
oil pan. They can leak around the gasket too but this is rare in my
experience.

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> I have had an oil sending unit spring a leak and it will allow lots of
> oil to ( as you put it ) bubble out . I know the oil sending unit on
> the 5.0 ( 302 ) should be located on the block in the area between the
> oil filter and the timing chain cover
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:51:47 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

>
> Hi im new to the list and i just though i would
> ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
> on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
> and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
> the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
> anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
> crossmember exct:that might be involved
>
> Thanks jeff l
> Muscle Shoals Al.

Stu, don't hurt him. Stu's a bit of a purist when it comes to that
vintage of truck, especially where an FE is concerned.

A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth
keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks.
I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems. Of course
the 390 would actually be a 428 CJ disguised as a stock 390, and a C-6.
One cool truck, fast too.

My vote would be to rebuild the 390 and soup it up a little, but of
course I always say that.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:19:22 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets

> Just FYI...The Quadra jet was used OEM on the Ford 429 for a few years! And
> my 514 never had any problem sucking the bowl dry on my QJ... even at 6000+
> RPM

All of them I've run, even on the other makes, have had this problem. I
tried bigger, straighter lines, high performance pumps, everything.
They would just run out of fuel.

Next time you put in a kit, would you mind taking note on if the fuel
bowl is bigger than most? The feedback well(not used on many
applications)on the later carbs is open to the bowl on some. Maybe like
I said before, they put more capacity in a Ford application (yours is an
OEM Ford carb, right?) because they are capable of using it.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:45:45 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

At 06:51 AM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> Hi im new to the list and i just though i would
>> ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
>> on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
>> and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
>> the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
>> anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
>> crossmember exct:that might be involved
>>
>> Thanks jeff l
>> Muscle Shoals Al.
>
>Stu, don't hurt him. Stu's a bit of a purist when it comes to that
>vintage of truck, especially where an FE is concerned.

William,

Funny you should imply how much of a purist I am. After the parade at PF,
my wife decided she wants me to build her a 53-56 Effie street rod, I
thought what a great idea!! Modify the devil out of one. So I have been
poking around and located 3 unmolested trucks sitting in fields or behind
houses.
One is a 1955 F-100, One is a 55 F-600 (somewhat rotten but has a solid
front clip) and an undetermined year 53-56
F-350. I wasn't quite able to see the grille from the road. Going by to
talk to the owner of the 100 and 350
today (same guy). The 600 is owned by a man I know and he would probably
give it to me for removing it from his field. Funny, the F-600 sits 1/4
mile from my home and I never really noticed it back in the brush.

After this 1971 resto I am trying to do, I think building a slick 53-56
would be good for my creative juices - AS LONG AS IT IS POWERED BY AN FE!!
hehehehehhe
I know many of the Effie purist cringe at the thought or sight of a
modified truck in any capacity.....
maybe I am softening up????

8^)

Jeff, It is your truck build what yo want to. Personally I like the FE's
becasue of the power they produce
and that's what we always had in most trucks or cars when I was a kid
growing up in West Virginia.
Whether you decide to build a small block, a Modified, FE or 385 series,
(ok Tony even the asthmatic inline 6's) this crew can help you more than
you can imagine. It's you money and you decide what you want.

Good luck!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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SCHOOL'S OUT!!!!!!

>
>A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth
>keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks.
>I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems. Of course
>the 390 would actually be a 428 CJ disguised as a stock 390, and a C-6.
>One cool truck, fast too.
>
> My vote would be to rebuild the 390 and soup it up a little, but of
>course I always say that.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:19:16 +0800
From: "David and Cherie"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box

Hi all,
I,m just wondering if there is any differance between a steering box
from a F100 and an F350.
The reason I ask is I'm thinking about buying a F350 which has no steering
box and it would be easier to find a F100 unit than a 350 unit.

Also any suggestions re a front disc brake conversion from drums on a F350,
its a 67 model I think.

Also as I am new to this list I would just like to ask if or how many other
Aussies are here?

Regards Dave,
Australia.


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:27:08 -0500
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:swapping a 390 for a 302

It's an easy, bolt in swap, Ford started putting 302's into pickups in
69. The rear crossmember can be moved to a different set of holes, so
the existing one should work. You may want to see if you can find a
small block c6 from a truck or van though to avoid hassles with the
driveshaft. The engine mounts have to be the truck style with the stud
that goes down into the frame mount. You'll also need small block frame
mounts, the engine will probably bolt up with the FE mounts, but will
sit too high. Good Luck!

DonY
65 F250-351W-435NP
73F100-351W-3on-the-tree


ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
crossmember exct:that might be involved

Thanks jeff l
Muscle Shoals Al.>>

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:40:37 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck

At 11:28 PM 5/20/99 , you wrote:
>If anyone wants to look at it. My 78 F-150 is on my page now.
>WWW.wireweb.net/users/georgeram/
>

The page, and the truck look good, keep us up to date on it ! :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:42:50 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

>Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up.
>I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint
>code is 72.
>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and
>corresponding colors.
>Any help is appreciated.
>

I think Stu was right on the money, a truck that new (how often do you hear
that?) will most likely be listed in the painter's books still. If that
fails, check the dealership, they may have some old stuff floating around,
and failing that, hit a car show/swap meet, there's usually a couple of
vendors that have the actual paint chips for any number of cars. Hemmings
motor news might also have a listing under books and literature for people
who deal in the paint chips and such ...

That's the order I'd try things in, maybe reverse the Hemmings and Car
Show, but that'd be it.

Failing everything else, go with a newer color that's close, that way you
can get touch up paint for it.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:15 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box

I know the 150 and 250 are the same in 78, not sure about the 350's. I
suspect the 350 is in a separate class so would be larger, heavier duty but
can't say for sure. I was actually surprised to find that the 250 used the
same sector shaft as the 150 :-( (I wanted to "Upgrade" :-))

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> I,m just wondering if there is any differance between
> a steering box
> from a F100 and an F350.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:52:33 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: [none]

After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and carb set using
vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream, yesterday it
started missing under load, going up hills. I've check the plug wires
thinking one might have come loose. Nope. Any ideas on what to check?
Thanks,
John

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:04:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

>After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and carb set using
>vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream, yesterday it
>started missing under load, going up hills. I've check the plug wires
>thinking one might have come loose. Nope. Any ideas on what to check?

Check your plugs, be sure they are gapped correctly and seated properly. I
had a 360 that liked to loosen the plugs as I drove, kinda weird to open
the hood and see the plugs dancing around ... fortunately none ever
actually came out, but they would back off a half turn or so ... glad to
hear the vacuum tuning worked for you, amazing how smooth some of those
motors can get isn't it ? You might also check the timing again, just to
be sure it didn't move (you did write down what you set it at right ? :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:16 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

Under load generally means the spark is not retarding enough or you have
some other fuel related problem but common to the old dizzy's is frozen vac
mechanics which won't allow it to retard on throttle like it's supposed to.
This can cause loss of power but usually is accompanied by severe detonation
as well. I had to loosend mine up with oil and lots of manual forcing of
the linkage back and forth and it works well now.

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> After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and
> carb set using
> vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream,
> yesterday it
> started missing under load, going up hills.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:13:22 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William S Hart
To:
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:04 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

glad to hear the vacuum tuning worked for you, amazing how smooth some of
those motors can get isn't it ? You might also check the timing again, just
to be sure it didn't move (you did write down what you set it at right ? :)

Oops! After you had helped me with compromising between best performance and
ability for the motor to turn over when starting, I was so busy rejoicing
that I never did put the timing light back on.

I'll check 'em out.
Thanks again,
John


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:16:37 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

"old dizzy" ???

Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?

Thanks,
John

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
To:
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:08 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)


> Under load generally means the spark is not retarding enough or you have
> some other fuel related problem but common to the old dizzy's is frozen
vac
> mechanics which won't allow it to retard on throttle like it's supposed
to.
> This can cause loss of power but usually is accompanied by severe
detonation
> as well. I had to loosend mine up with oil and lots of manual forcing of
> the linkage back and forth and it works well now.
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco, Gary
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> --
>



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:18:14 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

No, they're talking about the EEC-III vehicles with the module mounted right
on the dist. They are known to cause the vehicle to just quit or have
serious driveability problems after a limited number of miles/years. I can't
even begin to count the number we replaced in the mid '80s at the dealer
where I worked and they only came out in '83. However, $3,000,000,000?
That's allotta 0's for a case where no physical or economic damage is even
alleged! These lawyers are gettin' waaaay outta hand!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: pickup65 juno.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 4:39 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!


>This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved
>durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65 F100 and
>love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford is being sued
>for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!!



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:35:48 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!!

Can anyone tell Gary Peters is back???? hehehehehehehe
8^)
I Enjoyed our breif chat at PF this year. Glad to see you are active
again. You know, digest mode is a great soultion to all the LIVE mail
traffic while at work.......it would keep you around more.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:43:39 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

Several ways depending on what you want to check.

First take off the cap and manually check to see that the arm from the vac
(attached to the plate) will move easily along with the plate it's attached
to (within it's spring tension that is) for it's full range of movement. If
this appears to be working and the arm is attached to the pin on the pickup
plate (or points plate) then check the vac itself with a vacuum pump or (if
you are brave) by sucking on the vac tube and watch for movement. It takes
a pretty good sucker to get 20" of vacuum but you should be able to move it
a little at least that way. I can't remember how well that worked since I
have a vacuum pump and haven't tried it in about 35 years so....:-) Take the
tube off and blow it out first so you don't get a mouth full of oil or gas
or petrid water, Uuuuuuuugh! (and wash off the part you put in your mouth,
you don't know how many cats have peed on it :-)

I can't believe what I used to do in the name of "expedition" but I'm older
and wiser now.......:-)

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> "old dizzy" ???
>
> Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

You can keep the C6 and use the 302 but you need to
get a diffrent bell housing and a new set of motor
mounts otherwise you just re assembol.





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>
> Hi im new to the list and i just though i would
> ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
> on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
> and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
> the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
> anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
> crossmember exct:that might be involved
>
> Thanks jeff l
> Muscle Shoals Al.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:53:43 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

Thanks for your message at 07:25 AM 5/21/99 -0400, pickup65 juno.com. Your
message was:
>
>
>OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) _ In the opening round of a major class-action suit,
>a lawyer for 3 million California vehicle
>owners has told jurors Ford Motor Co. knew an ignition device was prone
>to overhearing and stalling ...

I have a mother-in-law who does this...is it worth some money?



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:55:06 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Thanks for your message at 07:41 AM 5/21/99 -0400, Peters, Gary (G.R.).
Your message was:
>Have you tried tightening the pan bolts? Silly I know but you'd be amazed
>at how often that's all it needs :-) The torque on pan bolts is only 12-15#
>as I recall which isn't really quite adequate when the gasket shrinks so the
>bolts need periodic tightening. Do not over tighten to the extent that the
>metal begins to deform ...

...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when that happens...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:58:42 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

Thanks for your message at 06:51 AM 5/21/99 -0500, William L. Ballinger.
Your message was:
>A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth
>keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks.
>I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems.

Now you've got me trying to remember...Did that crossed flag emblem come on
Ford Trucks, or just cars...?
Being a Virgo, I must know in case I get another 67-72...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:57:21 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!

I think it's worth a few bucks for "emotional distress". Or you could just
run over her with your pickup. (How's that for FTE content?)

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!!



>I have a mother-in-law who does this...is it worth some money?



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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:03:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

>...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when that happens...
>
What?!!!?! You're not supposed to tighten it up til it twists off then back
it off a half a turn ?!!!?! DOH! Back to the 390 I guess ....


;)

A guy I was working with told someone that was how tight the spark plugs
were supposed to be, the guy on the phone was less than pleased to get that
answer from an auto parts store!


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:10:42 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

Thanks for your message at 07:45 AM 5/21/99 -0500, Stu Varner. Your message
was:
>After this 1971 resto I am trying to do, I think building a slick 53-56
>would be good for my creative juices - AS LONG AS IT IS POWERED BY AN FE!!

Hello, my name is Dennis and I am a Ford-a-holic...

As I was cruising to school this morning in my '62 Unibody, I was thinking
about my other '62 and what I was going to do with it...So many
possibilities...I found myself wondering if I should put a big Pont##c or
Ol**m***le , since it is already all set up for a GM (it came that way...I
didn't do it). Anyway, as I caught myself thinking those thoughts, I
happened to be going by Russ Dean Ford. I immediately whipped my truck
into their lot, threw open the door, got down on my knees and said 50 "Hail
Henrys" as penance...

I think I'm going to be OK now. It has been a great comfort to get this
off my chest . I hope you (and all my Fords) can accept my apologies...



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

>Now you've got me trying to remember...Did that crossed flag emblem come on
>Ford Trucks, or just cars...?

hmmm...I don't think I've ever seen it on a truck, well not from the
factory anyway ... though I've thought about the 69/70 Mustang's 390
emblems finding their way onto my truck ... unfortunately I hear they're
pretty hard to find, may only be for 69's actually ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:14:21 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

Thanks for your message at 08:42 AM 5/21/99 -0500, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>>Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up.
>>I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint
>>code is 72.
>>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and
>>corresponding colors.
>>Any help is appreciated.

I have seen paint chip samples for various years and models of Fords (and I
assume other makes--I only search on Ford) quite often...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com

Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes?

Good luck...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:15:21 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote:
>
> It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem.
> --
>I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's used an aluminum filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters screwed right to the block.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:21:25 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

>Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes?
>
>Good luck...

It does, but the Red Book I have only goes through 76 or 77 ... so I can't
be for sure on the 78's, you know how Ford was about changing color codes
and such, hate to tell him its some blue when its actually a yellow or
something :)

I can look this weekend if I think of it though ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:30:47 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

>> It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem.
>> --
>>I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's used an aluminum
>filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters screwed right to the block.

The 390 it screws into the oil filter mount on, which is alumium, but can
stand the pressures a bit better. The 351's (69 I know for sure) have a
short extension that sticks out of the side of the block, or timing cover
(can't remember for sure there) and the oil pressure sender screws into
that. I don't have a good picture of it online, but know exactly what it
looks like in my head.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:44:21 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

I thought they were talking about the sender? The oil senders on the 302's
and 351W's are mounted between the fuel pump and oil filter adapter on an
aluminum extension because the pump and filter adapter are so close together
that a typical gauge type sender won't fit between them so they move it
outboard about 4" with an aluminum casting which threads into the block.
The thread is the weak link here and causes stress fractures which
eventually lead to total failure. They often seep or leak before total
failure though so if you have oil seepage from this location this ia a good
suspect :-) This particular sender is quite heavy and on truck applications
with stiff suspensions it can overpower the strength of the aluminum casting
when harsh bumps are encountered which will, over time, cause this problem
to surface.

On my 351W in my 75 van (converted to 4x4) I replaced this part with a steel
pipe nipple......after the engine blew up of course :-( I knew it was
leaking but never suspected a crack, thought it was leaking through the
threads (which is was just not in the direction I thought :-)).

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- --

> >I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's
> used an aluminum filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters
> screwed right to the block.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:53:49 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude, spark plugs

I don't recall the exact amount now but tapered ford plugs are tightenend
till they stop, that is seat with moderate pressure so you know they are
metal to metal, and then some distance (portion of a turn) further rather
than by torque. The reasons are obvious, the taper will vary the torque
effort to completely tighten them by some margin so this method ensures that
they will be tight. There are also cleanout reamers for the seats and
threads which should be used especially if you are having problems with them
coming out.

One of the reasons ford plugs come out is due to this misconception. 18# or
torque applies to the shouldered type with gaskets not ford tapered plugs.

Also, do not leave tapered plugs in for more than a few years or you may not
ever get them back out without breaking them off at the threads (I won't go
into the details of how I discovered this bit of magic :-))

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William S Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu]
> Sent: 05/21/1999 11:04 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
>
>
>
> >...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when
> that happens...
> >
> What?!!!?! You're not supposed to tighten it up til it twists
> off then back
> it off a half a turn ?!!!?! DOH! Back to the 390 I guess ....
>
>
> ;)
>
> A guy I was working with told someone that was how tight the
> spark plugs
> were supposed to be, the guy on the phone was less than
> pleased to get that
> answer from an auto parts store!
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
> Links
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
> '73 1/2 ton
> 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
> '96 Mustang GT
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:06:15 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!!

Digest mode gets me confused.....to much stuff in ome place and all the
extra garbage and stuff I wind up missing one I want to reply to which, as
you know, is like a serious problem for me......:-) I just really hate to
pass up an opportunity to say something about something.........:-)

My daddy used to accuse me of hogging the show and talking too much but you
guys know that is certainly not the case.......right? :-) I mean it's
obvious I don't generally have much to say.......

BTW, I meant to ask you at the show how Jim was getting along, "Deacon
Blues"?

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> Can anyone tell Gary Peters is back???? hehehehehehehe
> 8^)
> I Enjoyed our breif chat at PF this year. Glad to see you are active
> again. You know, digest mode is a great soultion to all the LIVE mail
> traffic while at work.......it would keep you around more.
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:08 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

At 09:04 PM 20/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Steve,
> It matches great against the old original paint on the
>floor pan.
>

Stu: You're not bragging about the condition of your floor plan by any
chance?!!

marko :^]

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:29:14 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Did that a few times when I was just learning at the old Mobil station when
I was 17 but it only took a few incidents involving most of the day to get
the broken bolts out to convince me to be more carefull :-) One of these
was a valve cover bolt on a 240 I-6 in a 61 custom which I never did get
out. This was my Dad's car :-)

Another time I did an oil change and forgot to put the engine oil in before
checking the tranny fluid level....and then there was the time.......:-)

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> ...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when
> that happens...
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:27:48 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

John wrote:
>"old dizzy" ???
>
>Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?

Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary
you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-:

Steve Delanty
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:30:20 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peters, Gary (G.R.)
To:
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:43 AM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)


> Several ways depending on what you want to check.
>
> First take off the cap and manually check to see that the arm from the vac
> (attached to the plate) will move easily along with the plate it's
attached
> to (within it's spring tension that is) for it's full range of movement.
If
> this appears to be working and the arm is attached to the pin on the
pickup
> plate (or points plate) then check the vac itself with a vacuum pump or
(if
> you are brave) by sucking on the vac tube and watch for movement. It
takes
> a pretty good sucker to get 20" of vacuum but you should be able to move
it
> a little at least that way. I can't remember how well that worked since I
> have a vacuum pump and haven't tried it in about 35 years so....:-) Take
the
> tube off and blow it out first so you don't get a mouth full of oil or gas
> or petrid water, Uuuuuuuugh! (and wash off the part you put in your
mouth,
> you don't know how many cats have peed on it :-)
>
> I can't believe what I used to do in the name of "expedition" but I'm
older
> and wiser now.......:-)
>
> --
> Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco, Gary
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
> --
>
> > "old dizzy" ???
> >
> > Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:39:25 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

... and all this time I thought he was calling me "old dizzy." Listen,
anybody who knows anything about anything is held in high respect by me.
I've often been called "venerable but disoriented" but never old dizzy.
Thanks for the admonition and I consider myself suitably chastised.
John
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)


> John wrote:
> >"old dizzy" ???
> >
> >Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?
>
> Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary
> you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-:
>
> Steve Delanty
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:46:06 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?)

At least he didn't say "Blond" :-) (which would also be true :-))

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco, Gary
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167
- --

> >"old dizzy" ???
> >
> >Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics?
>
> Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary
> you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-:
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:49:10 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale

I have a net challeged buddy that has the following parts for sale.


300 I6
NP435
205 TC
Dana 44 Front Axle (3.50 open)
Control arms
78 front clip

All from a 78 1/2 ton pickup
What are they worth and does anybody out there want them ?

Chris

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:57:33 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale

where are they located?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Brandt, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Brandt nike.com]
> Sent:Friday, May 21, 1999 9:49 AM
> To:'61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale
>
> I have a net challeged buddy that has the following parts for sale.
>
>
> 300 I6
> NP435
> 205 TC
> Dana 44 Front Axle (3.50 open)
> Control arms
> 78 front clip
>
> All from a 78 1/2 ton pickup
> What are they worth and does anybody out there want them ?
>
> Chris
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:59:01 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

>
> >>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and
> >>corresponding colors.

Josh Assing posted this back on 4/6:

I've gotten a couple of these requests; so I thought I would post to
the list. I got the info while surfing for "ford vin decode" off
savvysearch. The URL:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/~jhuntley/documentation.html
was where I found the phone # for Ford's "Customer Assurance"
department, It was something to do with a restoration of a Cobra.

Anyway; I called the # and asked for "more information than just
VIN decoding" The woman looked it up on her computer, and said
"That vehicle is too old; I'll have to hand this over to research. You
should hear back within 2 weeks" I thought that was the last I'd
have heard from them. A little over 1 week later, I got a letter from Ford
with the info of VIN Decoding, and what options were originally included.
They can't do dealer options, just factory.

Anyway; that # is: 800-392-3673
Follow the voice prompts carefully.
So; the service is free and the # is free.. How can you go wrong?
Cheers
- -josh

>
>
> Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes?

The Red Book only goes up to '77. Like in a previous post, Ford likes to switch paint codes year to year. Just for the record, "72" for '77 is:
7= White
2= Medium Copper

Hope this helps,

Ted Wnorowski
"BACK TO WORK"
Bellevue,OH

>
>


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:35:59 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

Er, uh, no I am not braggin am I???

8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu


At 10:08 AM 5/21/99 -0600, you wrote:
>At 09:04 PM 20/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Steve,
>> It matches great against the old original paint on the
>>floor pan.
>>
>
>Stu: You're not bragging about the condition of your floor plan by any
>chance?!!
>
>marko :^]
>
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:00 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390

You guys really have a Q-jet on your Ford motors? I agree that the Q-jet is
one of the best carbs made, as far as economy and overall driveablity. But
I never considered putting it onto my 390. Did you just use an adapter with
a stock square-bore manifold?

I've been planning to change to a 4v in the future, but couldn't afford a
new carb. And I've decided that I want to stay away from Holley (bad
experiences). I have a good Q-jet from my past "mistake" (ch*vy) that I
might have to try. Are there any changes or modifications anyone has had to
do in order for this to work? Any reason why I should not try it?

Marty Colman
73 F100 390


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:52:55 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt

Hey, fellow listers,

I need help locating a Cargo Light switch for my '76 F-250 SuperCab.

I have the front of the switch -- it was still firmly screwed to the
frame -- and I re-painted the silver on the raised letters. Looks great! I
have the back of the switch -- it was still plugged into the wiring that I
fished out of the mud daubers. It's the working part of the switch that is
missing -- actually, I think that it rattled down the door frame a *long*
time ago. It's probably still in the frame *somewhere* -- just can't get to
it. Of course, I tried taking out the interior panels, but all I found was
more metal. No good access to the inside of the door frame.

All the catalogs list the actual Cargo Light itself, but no one lists a
Cargo Light switch. If someone could help me find this thing, I'd be
grateful. Just tell me where to try to *look* for this switch! I'm willing
to do my own hunting, I just don't know where to begin. Two local boneyards
just kinda looked at me. Am I doing something wrong by expecting to find
stuff at junkyards?

Having that hole in my truck with just some wires hanging out is making me,
well, *frustrated.* Dread! My truck's not perfect! ;-)

Actually, I need lots of *stuff* for Tillie, but I'm starting with those
things that are involved in the operation of the vehicle and its
accessories. Did the radio and all of the lights except this one! I'll get
to the cracked dash pad and the segmented steering wheel (with speed
control) later -- as in much! The truck will still go down the road in spite
of those shortcomings.

Thanks in advance! This list is great! What an education!

With an ancient Ford relic in my heart,

Nancy Wright
Denton, Texas
and the lovely Tillie
'76 F-250 SuperCab Ranger XLT, 460, C6, 6 mpg with the wind and downhill.
(LOL)

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