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61-79-list-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 171 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential, 460 FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude RE: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed. Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 FTE 61-79 - Q-jets Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box FTE 61-79 - Re:swapping a 390 for a 302 Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes RE: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box [none] FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude, spark plugs RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale RE: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt RE: FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:27:32 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - My Differential, 460 When I first put my 460 in the pickup with 2.75 gears, hot intake, hot air intake, factory spread bore (tossed the Holley), stock, cracked exhaust manifolds, 2 into 1 exhauset and wide ratio C-6 I could break the rear tires loose at 45 mph simply by stepping on it and down shifting to second. It's a little more tired now so won't do it anymore but the first time that happened to me I almost wet my pants :-) It still gets nearly 12 mpg but with 4.11 gears, cold manifold and Holley it only got about 6 mpg. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Ive geared up to a 4.11, hopefully my mileage will creep into > the 11s, and I > hope not to sacrifice too much oomph. I'm pretty sure Im > gonna loose the > abilty to do a 2nd gear burnout though, that was cool! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:27:39 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude > Greetings from California! I have a '66 F-250 with a '92 5.0 litre engine in > it. The motor itself has over 100,000 miles on it and still runs great. > Yesterday when I pulled out of the driveway there was a puddle of oil smack > dab right in the middle of the driveway. Upon inspection of the underside of > the vehicle(with engine running), I noticed oil bubbling out of what > appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil filter. I replaced > the filter to no avail. The leak doesn't seem to be coming from anywhere > else and traveling to this spot(front main, valve covers, etc.). My question > to one of the most intelligent group of individuals on the net is---Is this > an unusual place for an oil leak, or is there another common spot that this > leak could be coming from such as an oil pressure sensor or something else > in that area? I would hate to have to pull the oil pan if I didn't have to. > Your comments are definately appreciated---Thanks! Bill About all Ford engines of that vintage have trouble with the oil pan and valve cover gasket(s) failing. Ford had a TSB on it and sells an updated part. I don't know for sure, but Fel-Pro probably makes an improved part also. Another thing to check is the oil sending unit, they sometimes will leak too. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:37:14 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed. Make sure you get the one you need. There are at least two snap ring groove locations I know of and you must have the correct one for your application. Tom's broncos and Jeffs bronco grave yard are good sources for used axles and parts. I bought a good axle from Tom's for $75 which included both axle sections and ujoint (used of course). They also have new ones along with rebuild kits for Np435's and 205's etc.. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > >on a 78 f150 4x4, i need the short outer axle shaft. on the > left side,for a > >dana 44 is this a dana part or ford part?i also need the > manual hub does == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:30:12 -0400 From: j arnold Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 At 11:10 PM 5/20/99 PDT, you wrote: >Hi im new to the list and i just though i would >ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore >on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390 >and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding >the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could >anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount, >crossmember exct:that might be involved > > Thanks jeff l > Muscle Shoals Al. > >FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Jeff, Can't tell you about whats involved in the swap, but, I'd consider rebuilding what you've got. The 390 is a great engine for trucks. The 302 is a good engine too, but, if you're used to 390 power, I think youll be disappointed. Also, the c-6 transmission beats the c-4 hands down, IMHO. Just something to think about. Stoney == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:25:56 -0400 From: pickup65 juno.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65 F100 and love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford is being sued for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!! OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) _ In the opening round of a major class-action suit, a lawyer for 3 million California vehicle owners has told jurors Ford Motor Co. knew an ignition device was prone to overhearing and stalling but hid the problem for 15 years. The device, called the thick film ignition module or TFI, is essential to safe operation of the car, attorney Paul D. Nelson said Tuesday. ``Ford knew early on that it would fail at extremely high rates, and knew how to fix it ... but had to keep it secret.'' Ford lawyer Warren Platt denied any safety problem, product defect or deception of either the government or the public. He noted that none of the five named plaintiffs, or the millions of customers they claim to represent, allege any physical injury or property damage. If millions of vehicles sold for 15 years were at risk of stalling as the plaintiffs claim, Platt said, ``Ford's sales and market share would have gone in the tank.'' The suit, the largest class action to go to trial against a U.S. automaker, seeks $3 billion in damages under a California law requiring businesses to pay $1,000 for each deceptive sale or illegal practice. Plaintiffs' lawyers say they also will ask for replacement costs and punitive damages. Lawyers estimate the trial will last two months. Ford first installed an electronic ignition system in its 1972 vehicles, to meet federal clean-air requirements, and later replaced it with the lighter, more efficient TFI, starting with some 1983 models. The problem, Nelson said, arose when Ford ``chose to mount the device on the hottest part of the engine, on the distributor, directly above the engine block.'' That saved $4 per vehicle but exposed the TFI to temperatures ``on the ragged edge of reliability,'' the lawyer said. He said a Ford engineer warned in a May 1982 memo that the device was likely to overheat at high temperatures, causing engine stalls. Ford soon received a flood of complaints from customers and dealers, and has had to replace TFI modules in 15 million vehicles, Nelson said. But Platt, Ford's lawyer, said company and government studies have found that mounting the TFI on the distributor above the engine does not increase the risk of stalling or accidents. Five successive investigations by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concluded the device was not a safety hazard, Platt said. ``This is the very best location for the TFI from the standpoint of reliability and performance,'' a mounting chosen by 70 percent of manufacturers that use the TFI, Platt told the jury. But Nelson contended that Ford had withheld crucial documents from the agency. The suit covers 1.8 million owners and 1.2 million former owners in California of Ford vehicles from model years 1983-95, when the TFI mounting was used. Jon E. Purut http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/Chelley http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jcpurut == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:41:25 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Have you tried tightening the pan bolts? Silly I know but you'd be amazed at how often that's all it needs :-) The torque on pan bolts is only 12-15# as I recall which isn't really quite adequate when the gasket shrinks so the bolts need periodic tightening. Do not over tighten to the extent that the metal begins to deform or you will introduce even more leaks. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > > the vehicle(with engine running), I noticed oil bubbling out of what > > appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil > filter. I replaced == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:46:25 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem. It hangs out too far with no support and the threaded area in the block causes a stress crack condition which eventually fails. I've had them fall completely off the engine and actually blew an engine once due to this. Mechanical fuel pumps can leak too but usually the first clue is fuel in the oil pan. They can leak around the gasket too but this is rare in my experience. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I have had an oil sending unit spring a leak and it will allow lots of > oil to ( as you put it ) bubble out . I know the oil sending unit on > the 5.0 ( 302 ) should be located on the block in the area between the > oil filter and the timing chain cover == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 06:51:47 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 > > Hi im new to the list and i just though i would > ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore > on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390 > and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding > the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could > anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount, > crossmember exct:that might be involved > > Thanks jeff l > Muscle Shoals Al. Stu, don't hurt him. Stu's a bit of a purist when it comes to that vintage of truck, especially where an FE is concerned. A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks. I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems. Of course the 390 would actually be a 428 CJ disguised as a stock 390, and a C-6. One cool truck, fast too. My vote would be to rebuild the 390 and soup it up a little, but of course I always say that. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:19:22 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets > Just FYI...The Quadra jet was used OEM on the Ford 429 for a few years! And > my 514 never had any problem sucking the bowl dry on my QJ... even at 6000+ > RPM All of them I've run, even on the other makes, have had this problem. I tried bigger, straighter lines, high performance pumps, everything. They would just run out of fuel. Next time you put in a kit, would you mind taking note on if the fuel bowl is bigger than most? The feedback well(not used on many applications)on the later carbs is open to the bowl on some. Maybe like I said before, they put more capacity in a Ford application (yours is an OEM Ford carb, right?) because they are capable of using it. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:45:45 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 At 06:51 AM 5/21/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >> Hi im new to the list and i just though i would >> ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore >> on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390 >> and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding >> the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could >> anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount, >> crossmember exct:that might be involved >> >> Thanks jeff l >> Muscle Shoals Al. > >Stu, don't hurt him. Stu's a bit of a purist when it comes to that >vintage of truck, especially where an FE is concerned. William, Funny you should imply how much of a purist I am. After the parade at PF, my wife decided she wants me to build her a 53-56 Effie street rod, I thought what a great idea!! Modify the devil out of one. So I have been poking around and located 3 unmolested trucks sitting in fields or behind houses. One is a 1955 F-100, One is a 55 F-600 (somewhat rotten but has a solid front clip) and an undetermined year 53-56 F-350. I wasn't quite able to see the grille from the road. Going by to talk to the owner of the 100 and 350 today (same guy). The 600 is owned by a man I know and he would probably give it to me for removing it from his field. Funny, the F-600 sits 1/4 mile from my home and I never really noticed it back in the brush. After this 1971 resto I am trying to do, I think building a slick 53-56 would be good for my creative juices - AS LONG AS IT IS POWERED BY AN FE!! hehehehehhe I know many of the Effie purist cringe at the thought or sight of a modified truck in any capacity..... maybe I am softening up???? 8^) Jeff, It is your truck build what yo want to. Personally I like the FE's becasue of the power they produce and that's what we always had in most trucks or cars when I was a kid growing up in West Virginia. Whether you decide to build a small block, a Modified, FE or 385 series, (ok Tony even the asthmatic inline 6's) this crew can help you more than you can imagine. It's you money and you decide what you want. Good luck! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu SCHOOL'S OUT!!!!!! > >A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth >keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks. >I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems. Of course >the 390 would actually be a 428 CJ disguised as a stock 390, and a C-6. >One cool truck, fast too. > > My vote would be to rebuild the 390 and soup it up a little, but of >course I always say that. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 21:19:16 +0800 From: "David and Cherie" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box Hi all, I,m just wondering if there is any differance between a steering box from a F100 and an F350. The reason I ask is I'm thinking about buying a F350 which has no steering box and it would be easier to find a F100 unit than a 350 unit. Also any suggestions re a front disc brake conversion from drums on a F350, its a 67 model I think. Also as I am new to this list I would just like to ask if or how many other Aussies are here? Regards Dave, Australia. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:27:08 -0500 From: Don Yerhot Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:swapping a 390 for a 302 It's an easy, bolt in swap, Ford started putting 302's into pickups in 69. The rear crossmember can be moved to a different set of holes, so the existing one should work. You may want to see if you can find a small block c6 from a truck or van though to avoid hassles with the driveshaft. The engine mounts have to be the truck style with the stud that goes down into the frame mount. You'll also need small block frame mounts, the engine will probably bolt up with the FE mounts, but will sit too high. Good Luck! DonY 65 F250-351W-435NP 73F100-351W-3on-the-tree ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390 and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount, crossmember exct:that might be involved Thanks jeff l Muscle Shoals Al.>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:40:37 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck At 11:28 PM 5/20/99 , you wrote: >If anyone wants to look at it. My 78 F-150 is on my page now. >WWW.wireweb.net/users/georgeram/ > The page, and the truck look good, keep us up to date on it ! :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:42:50 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes >Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up. >I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint >code is 72. >Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and >corresponding colors. >Any help is appreciated. > I think Stu was right on the money, a truck that new (how often do you hear that?) will most likely be listed in the painter's books still. If that fails, check the dealership, they may have some old stuff floating around, and failing that, hit a car show/swap meet, there's usually a couple of vendors that have the actual paint chips for any number of cars. Hemmings motor news might also have a listing under books and literature for people who deal in the paint chips and such ... That's the order I'd try things in, maybe reverse the Hemmings and Car Show, but that'd be it. Failing everything else, go with a newer color that's close, that way you can get touch up paint for it. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:43:15 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 350 steering box I know the 150 and 250 are the same in 78, not sure about the 350's. I suspect the 350 is in a separate class so would be larger, heavier duty but can't say for sure. I was actually surprised to find that the 250 used the same sector shaft as the 150 :-( (I wanted to "Upgrade" :-)) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > I,m just wondering if there is any differance between > a steering box > from a F100 and an F350. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:52:33 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: [none] After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and carb set using vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream, yesterday it started missing under load, going up hills. I've check the plug wires thinking one might have come loose. Nope. Any ideas on what to check? Thanks, John Our Savior Lutheran Church 1101 Old Cleburne Road Granbury, TX 76048 (817) 573-5011 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:04:12 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: >After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and carb set using >vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream, yesterday it >started missing under load, going up hills. I've check the plug wires >thinking one might have come loose. Nope. Any ideas on what to check? Check your plugs, be sure they are gapped correctly and seated properly. I had a 360 that liked to loosen the plugs as I drove, kinda weird to open the hood and see the plugs dancing around ... fortunately none ever actually came out, but they would back off a half turn or so ... glad to hear the vacuum tuning worked for you, amazing how smooth some of those motors can get isn't it ? You might also check the timing again, just to be sure it didn't move (you did write down what you set it at right ? :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:16 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Under load generally means the spark is not retarding enough or you have some other fuel related problem but common to the old dizzy's is frozen vac mechanics which won't allow it to retard on throttle like it's supposed to. This can cause loss of power but usually is accompanied by severe detonation as well. I had to loosend mine up with oil and lots of manual forcing of the linkage back and forth and it works well now. - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > After all your help in getting my '67 F100 (300) timed and > carb set using > vacuum guage, I'm back again. It was running like a dream, > yesterday it > started missing under load, going up hills. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:13:22 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - ----- Original Message ----- From: William S Hart To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:04 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: glad to hear the vacuum tuning worked for you, amazing how smooth some of those motors can get isn't it ? You might also check the timing again, just to be sure it didn't move (you did write down what you set it at right ? :) Oops! After you had helped me with compromising between best performance and ability for the motor to turn over when starting, I was so busy rejoicing that I never did put the timing light back on. I'll check 'em out. Thanks again, John == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:16:37 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) "old dizzy" ??? Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? Thanks, John - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:08 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) > Under load generally means the spark is not retarding enough or you have > some other fuel related problem but common to the old dizzy's is frozen vac > mechanics which won't allow it to retard on throttle like it's supposed to. > This can cause loss of power but usually is accompanied by severe detonation > as well. I had to loosend mine up with oil and lots of manual forcing of > the linkage back and forth and it works well now. > > -- > Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco, Gary > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 > -- > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:18:14 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! No, they're talking about the EEC-III vehicles with the module mounted right on the dist. They are known to cause the vehicle to just quit or have serious driveability problems after a limited number of miles/years. I can't even begin to count the number we replaced in the mid '80s at the dealer where I worked and they only came out in '83. However, $3,000,000,000? That's allotta 0's for a case where no physical or economic damage is even alleged! These lawyers are gettin' waaaay outta hand! "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: pickup65 juno.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 4:39 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! >This is kind of long, sorry. Are they not talking about our beloved >durispark ignition here. I installed the earlier system on my 65 F100 and >love it (FTE content). Make sure you catch how much Ford is being sued >for. Yes that's a "B" as in Billion!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:35:48 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!! Can anyone tell Gary Peters is back???? hehehehehehehe 8^) I Enjoyed our breif chat at PF this year. Glad to see you are active again. You know, digest mode is a great soultion to all the LIVE mail traffic while at work.......it would keep you around more. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:43:39 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Several ways depending on what you want to check. First take off the cap and manually check to see that the arm from the vac (attached to the plate) will move easily along with the plate it's attached to (within it's spring tension that is) for it's full range of movement. If this appears to be working and the arm is attached to the pin on the pickup plate (or points plate) then check the vac itself with a vacuum pump or (if you are brave) by sucking on the vac tube and watch for movement. It takes a pretty good sucker to get 20" of vacuum but you should be able to move it a little at least that way. I can't remember how well that worked since I have a vacuum pump and haven't tried it in about 35 years so....:-) Take the tube off and blow it out first so you don't get a mouth full of oil or gas or petrid water, Uuuuuuuugh! (and wash off the part you put in your mouth, you don't know how many cats have peed on it :-) I can't believe what I used to do in the name of "expedition" but I'm older and wiser now.......:-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > "old dizzy" ??? > > Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:39:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Dixon Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 You can keep the C6 and use the 302 but you need to get a diffrent bell housing and a new set of motor mounts otherwise you just re assembol. - ---jeff loosier wrote: > > Hi im new to the list and i just though i would > ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore > on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390 > and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding > the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could > anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount, > crossmember exct:that might be involved > > Thanks jeff l > Muscle Shoals Al. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:53:43 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! Thanks for your message at 07:25 AM 5/21/99 -0400, pickup65 juno.com. Your message was: > > >OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) _ In the opening round of a major class-action suit, >a lawyer for 3 million California vehicle >owners has told jurors Ford Motor Co. knew an ignition device was prone >to overhearing and stalling ... I have a mother-in-law who does this...is it worth some money? Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:55:06 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Thanks for your message at 07:41 AM 5/21/99 -0400, Peters, Gary (G.R.). Your message was: >Have you tried tightening the pan bolts? Silly I know but you'd be amazed >at how often that's all it needs :-) The torque on pan bolts is only 12-15# >as I recall which isn't really quite adequate when the gasket shrinks so the >bolts need periodic tightening. Do not over tighten to the extent that the >metal begins to deform ... ...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when that happens... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:58:42 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Thanks for your message at 06:51 AM 5/21/99 -0500, William L. Ballinger. Your message was: >A '67-'72 vintage Ranger XLT that came with a 390 and C-6 would be worth >keeping as original as possible IMHO. That's one of my "wish" trucks. >I'd like a black shortbed with the cross flag 390 emblems. Now you've got me trying to remember...Did that crossed flag emblem come on Ford Trucks, or just cars...? Being a Virgo, I must know in case I get another 67-72... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 07:57:21 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! I think it's worth a few bucks for "emotional distress". Or you could just run over her with your pickup. (How's that for FTE content?) "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pearson To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, May 21, 1999 7:52 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Can You Believe This!!!! >I have a mother-in-law who does this...is it worth some money? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:03:31 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude >...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when that happens... > What?!!!?! You're not supposed to tighten it up til it twists off then back it off a half a turn ?!!!?! DOH! Back to the 390 I guess .... ;) A guy I was working with told someone that was how tight the spark plugs were supposed to be, the guy on the phone was less than pleased to get that answer from an auto parts store! Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:10:42 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 Thanks for your message at 07:45 AM 5/21/99 -0500, Stu Varner. Your message was: >After this 1971 resto I am trying to do, I think building a slick 53-56 >would be good for my creative juices - AS LONG AS IT IS POWERED BY AN FE!! Hello, my name is Dennis and I am a Ford-a-holic... As I was cruising to school this morning in my '62 Unibody, I was thinking about my other '62 and what I was going to do with it...So many possibilities...I found myself wondering if I should put a big Pont##c or Ol**m***le , since it is already all set up for a GM (it came that way...I didn't do it). Anyway, as I caught myself thinking those thoughts, I happened to be going by Russ Dean Ford. I immediately whipped my truck into their lot, threw open the door, got down on my knees and said 50 "Hail Henrys" as penance... I think I'm going to be OK now. It has been a great comfort to get this off my chest . I hope you (and all my Fords) can accept my apologies... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:28 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302 >Now you've got me trying to remember...Did that crossed flag emblem come on >Ford Trucks, or just cars...? hmmm...I don't think I've ever seen it on a truck, well not from the factory anyway ... though I've thought about the 69/70 Mustang's 390 emblems finding their way onto my truck ... unfortunately I hear they're pretty hard to find, may only be for 69's actually ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 08:14:21 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes Thanks for your message at 08:42 AM 5/21/99 -0500, William S Hart. Your message was: >>Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up. >>I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint >>code is 72. >>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and >>corresponding colors. >>Any help is appreciated. I have seen paint chip samples for various years and models of Fords (and I assume other makes--I only search on Ford) quite often...http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes? Good luck... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:15:21 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Peters, Gary (G.R.) wrote: > > It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem. > -- >I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's used an aluminum filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters screwed right to the block. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:21:25 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes >Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes? > >Good luck... It does, but the Red Book I have only goes through 76 or 77 ... so I can't be for sure on the 78's, you know how Ford was about changing color codes and such, hate to tell him its some blue when its actually a yellow or something :) I can look this weekend if I think of it though ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:30:47 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude >> It's actually the aluminum extension that causes the problem. >> -- >>I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's used an aluminum >filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters screwed right to the block. The 390 it screws into the oil filter mount on, which is alumium, but can stand the pressures a bit better. The 351's (69 I know for sure) have a short extension that sticks out of the side of the block, or timing cover (can't remember for sure there) and the oil pressure sender screws into that. I don't have a good picture of it online, but know exactly what it looks like in my head. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:44:21 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude I thought they were talking about the sender? The oil senders on the 302's and 351W's are mounted between the fuel pump and oil filter adapter on an aluminum extension because the pump and filter adapter are so close together that a typical gauge type sender won't fit between them so they move it outboard about 4" with an aluminum casting which threads into the block. The thread is the weak link here and causes stress fractures which eventually lead to total failure. They often seep or leak before total failure though so if you have oil seepage from this location this ia a good suspect :-) This particular sender is quite heavy and on truck applications with stiff suspensions it can overpower the strength of the aluminum casting when harsh bumps are encountered which will, over time, cause this problem to surface. On my 351W in my 75 van (converted to 4x4) I replaced this part with a steel pipe nipple......after the engine blew up of course :-( I knew it was leaking but never suspected a crack, thought it was leaking through the threads (which is was just not in the direction I thought :-)). - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > >I'm not real familiar with 302's, but I thought only 390's > used an aluminum filter mount? As I remember, 302 filters > screwed right to the block. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:53:49 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude, spark plugs I don't recall the exact amount now but tapered ford plugs are tightenend till they stop, that is seat with moderate pressure so you know they are metal to metal, and then some distance (portion of a turn) further rather than by torque. The reasons are obvious, the taper will vary the torque effort to completely tighten them by some margin so this method ensures that they will be tight. There are also cleanout reamers for the seats and threads which should be used especially if you are having problems with them coming out. One of the reasons ford plugs come out is due to this misconception. 18# or torque applies to the shouldered type with gaskets not ford tapered plugs. Also, do not leave tapered plugs in for more than a few years or you may not ever get them back out without breaking them off at the threads (I won't go into the details of how I discovered this bit of magic :-)) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > -----Original Message----- > From: William S Hart [mailto:wish iastate.edu] > Sent: 05/21/1999 11:04 AM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude > > > > >...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when > that happens... > > > What?!!!?! You're not supposed to tighten it up til it twists > off then back > it off a half a turn ?!!!?! DOH! Back to the 390 I guess .... > > > ;) > > A guy I was working with told someone that was how tight the > spark plugs > were supposed to be, the guy on the phone was less than > pleased to get that > answer from an auto parts store! > > > Just my 2cents > > wish > > Links > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html > '73 1/2 ton > 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html > '96 Mustang GT > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/> ~wish/mustang.html > == FTE: > Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:06:15 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gary's back!!! Digest mode gets me confused.....to much stuff in ome place and all the extra garbage and stuff I wind up missing one I want to reply to which, as you know, is like a serious problem for me......:-) I just really hate to pass up an opportunity to say something about something.........:-) My daddy used to accuse me of hogging the show and talking too much but you guys know that is certainly not the case.......right? :-) I mean it's obvious I don't generally have much to say....... BTW, I meant to ask you at the show how Jim was getting along, "Deacon Blues"? - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > Can anyone tell Gary Peters is back???? hehehehehehehe > 8^) > I Enjoyed our breif chat at PF this year. Glad to see you are active > again. You know, digest mode is a great soultion to all the LIVE mail > traffic while at work.......it would keep you around more. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:08:08 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes At 09:04 PM 20/05/99 -0500, you wrote: >Steve, > It matches great against the old original paint on the >floor pan. > Stu: You're not bragging about the condition of your floor plan by any chance?!! marko :^] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:29:14 +0100 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude Did that a few times when I was just learning at the old Mobil station when I was 17 but it only took a few incidents involving most of the day to get the broken bolts out to convince me to be more carefull :-) One of these was a valve cover bolt on a 240 I-6 in a 61 custom which I never did get out. This was my Dad's car :-) Another time I did an oil change and forgot to put the engine oil in before checking the tranny fluid level....and then there was the time.......:-) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > ...or so tight that the bolt twists off. God I hate it when > that happens... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:27:48 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) John wrote: >"old dizzy" ??? > >Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-: Steve Delanty http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:30:20 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) Thanks, I'll give it a try. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peters, Gary (G.R.) To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 9:43 AM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) > Several ways depending on what you want to check. > > First take off the cap and manually check to see that the arm from the vac > (attached to the plate) will move easily along with the plate it's attached > to (within it's spring tension that is) for it's full range of movement. If > this appears to be working and the arm is attached to the pin on the pickup > plate (or points plate) then check the vac itself with a vacuum pump or (if > you are brave) by sucking on the vac tube and watch for movement. It takes > a pretty good sucker to get 20" of vacuum but you should be able to move it > a little at least that way. I can't remember how well that worked since I > have a vacuum pump and haven't tried it in about 35 years so....:-) Take the > tube off and blow it out first so you don't get a mouth full of oil or gas > or petrid water, Uuuuuuuugh! (and wash off the part you put in your mouth, > you don't know how many cats have peed on it :-) > > I can't believe what I used to do in the name of "expedition" but I'm older > and wiser now.......:-) > > -- > Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, > 78 Bronco, Gary > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 > -- > > > "old dizzy" ??? > > > > Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:39:25 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) ... and all this time I thought he was calling me "old dizzy." Listen, anybody who knows anything about anything is held in high respect by me. I've often been called "venerable but disoriented" but never old dizzy. Thanks for the admonition and I consider myself suitably chastised. John - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 21, 1999 11:27 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) > John wrote: > >"old dizzy" ??? > > > >Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? > > Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary > you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-: > > Steve Delanty > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:46:06 -0400 From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - RE: Missing under load (MIA?) At least he didn't say "Blond" :-) (which would also be true :-)) - -- Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping, 78 Bronco, Gary http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167 - -- > >"old dizzy" ??? > > > >Is there a way to check vacuum mechanics? > > Hey now, have a little respect! If you've got a question for Gary > you should ask nicely, no need to call him insulting names... (-: == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:49:10 -0700 From: "Brandt, Chris" Subject: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale I have a net challeged buddy that has the following parts for sale. 300 I6 NP435 205 TC Dana 44 Front Axle (3.50 open) Control arms 78 front clip All from a 78 1/2 ton pickup What are they worth and does anybody out there want them ? Chris == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:57:33 -0700 From: Eric Sneed Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale where are they located? > -----Original Message----- > From:Brandt, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Brandt nike.com] > Sent:Friday, May 21, 1999 9:49 AM > To:'61-79-list ford-trucks.com' > Subject:FTE 61-79 - What are they worth/parts for sale > > I have a net challeged buddy that has the following parts for sale. > > > 300 I6 > NP435 > 205 TC > Dana 44 Front Axle (3.50 open) > Control arms > 78 front clip > > All from a 78 1/2 ton pickup > What are they worth and does anybody out there want them ? > > Chris > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:59:01 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes > > >>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and > >>corresponding colors. Josh Assing posted this back on 4/6: I've gotten a couple of these requests; so I thought I would post to the list. I got the info while surfing for "ford vin decode" off savvysearch. The URL: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/~jhuntley/documentation.html was where I found the phone # for Ford's "Customer Assurance" department, It was something to do with a restoration of a Cobra. Anyway; I called the # and asked for "more information than just VIN decoding" The woman looked it up on her computer, and said "That vehicle is too old; I'll have to hand this over to research. You should hear back within 2 weeks" I thought that was the last I'd have heard from them. A little over 1 week later, I got a letter from Ford with the info of VIN Decoding, and what options were originally included. They can't do dealer options, just factory. Anyway; that # is: 800-392-3673 Follow the voice prompts carefully. So; the service is free and the # is free.. How can you go wrong? Cheers - -josh > > > Doesn't The Red Book have the paint codes? The Red Book only goes up to '77. Like in a previous post, Ford likes to switch paint codes year to year. Just for the record, "72" for '77 is: 7= White 2= Medium Copper Hope this helps, Ted Wnorowski "BACK TO WORK" Bellevue,OH > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:35:59 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes Er, uh, no I am not braggin am I??? 8^) Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 10:08 AM 5/21/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 09:04 PM 20/05/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Steve, >> It matches great against the old original paint on the >>floor pan. >> > >Stu: You're not bragging about the condition of your floor plan by any >chance?!! > >marko :^] > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 11:56:00 PDT From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-jet on 390 You guys really have a Q-jet on your Ford motors? I agree that the Q-jet is one of the best carbs made, as far as economy and overall driveablity. But I never considered putting it onto my 390. Did you just use an adapter with a stock square-bore manifold? I've been planning to change to a 4v in the future, but couldn't afford a new carb. And I've decided that I want to stay away from Holley (bad experiences). I have a good Q-jet from my past "mistake" (ch*vy) that I might have to try. Are there any changes or modifications anyone has had to do in order for this to work? Any reason why I should not try it? Marty Colman 73 F100 390 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:52:55 -0500 From: "Darryl Wright" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Treasure Hunt Hey, fellow listers, I need help locating a Cargo Light switch for my '76 F-250 SuperCab. I have the front of the switch -- it was still firmly screwed to the frame -- and I re-painted the silver on the raised letters. Looks great! I have the back of the switch -- it was still plugged into the wiring that I fished out of the mud daubers. It's the working part of the switch that is missing -- actually, I think that it rattled down the door frame a *long* time ago. It's probably still in the frame *somewhere* -- just can't get to it. Of course, I tried taking out the interior panels, but all I found was more metal. No good access to the inside of the door frame. All the catalogs list the actual Cargo Light itself, but no one lists a Cargo Light switch. If someone could help me find this thing, I'd be grateful. Just tell me where to try to *look* for this switch! I'm willing to do my own hunting, I just don't know where to begin. Two local boneyards just kinda looked at me. Am I doing something wrong by expecting to find stuff at junkyards? Having that hole in my truck with just some wires hanging out is making me, well, *frustrated.* Dread! My truck's not perfect! ;-) Actually, I need lots of *stuff* for Tillie, but I'm starting with those things that are involved in the operation of the vehicle and its accessories. Did the radio and all of the lights except this one! I'll get to the cracked dash pad and the segmented steering wheel (with speed control) later -- as in much! The truck will still go down the road in spite of those shortcomings. Thanks in advance! This list is great! What an education! With an ancient Ford relic in my heart, Nancy Wright Denton, Texas and the lovely Tillie '76 F-250 SuperCab Ranger XLT, 460, C6, 6 mpg with the wind and downhill. (LOL) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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