61-79-list-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 03 : Number 170



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In this issue:

: Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring (fuel pump shutoff)
FTE 61-79 - Q-jets
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.
Re: FTE 61-79 - small blocks for sale
FTE 61-79 - Cool things you learn ...
FTE 61-79 - Webmaster wanted.
FTE 61-79 - 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - Where is he
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Where is he
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off
Re: FTE 61-79 - Where is he
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off
FTE 61-79 - Re: Waxing
FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel painting
FTE 61-79 - paint codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes
FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off
FTE 61-79 - My Differential
FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.
FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.
FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude
FTE 61-79 - Back from the Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:51:58 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: : Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring (fuel pump shutoff)

> I found a rusty coil spring inside the fill
> tube in the shape of a funnel and threw it away. I think this spring is
the
> key to shutting the fuel off at the proper time and allowing the fuel to
> flow faster when filling.
.......

>
> I think what you found is an antisiphon spring that they sold back in the
> 70's.
>
........


would help
to create a venturi effect just below the pump nozzle which would increase
the backpressure and shut the pump off just a little earlier without
restricting the flow.
What about installing a restricter plate inside the fuel fill tube like
the newer vehicles have? One hole slightly larger than the pump nozzle and
one hole to vent the pressure.>>>>>>>>

When I replaced the sending unit in my tank there was a 1/2" plastic hose,
about 3' long, inside the filler hose that ran from the neck to the tank.
At the time I thought it was one of those anti-siphon devices like the
springs sold in the 70's, but when I went to fill up, I got the same problem
as Danger. It took WAY too long to fill up, and fuel was gushing back at
me! Click. gas..Click...gas.. I put it back in and all is well now.

hope this helps
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 06:21:50 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets

> AFAIK, there is no other carb with smaller primaries with the same over all
> capacity as the Rochester which puts it on the top of my list no matter how
> hard some say it is to tune. If this concept had been fully developed there
> would never have been a need for EFI (IMNSHO :-)) There are other copy cat
> spread bores but none with the same spread in size between the primary and
> secondary venturis.

The Rochester Quadrajet is probably the best carb made for street
driving. They only have one weakness, fuel bowl capacity. My carb has
the well next to the float bowl for the feedback solenoid. Next time I
take it down, I'm going to open that up to the float bowl. It should
cure it of capacity troubles. I have one on my '65 w/ a 390. It will
suck it dry up around 5500-6000 rpms. I'm sure it had to be made that
way to keep the streets free of debris from the inferior engines they
were originally installed on, if someone had told them it was going to
go on a Ford someday, they would have made it hold as much fuel as a
Holley. That may be why they made that solenoid well the way they did,
just in case it was ever needed for a Ford. As an interesting aside, we
put a kit in a OEM Q-jet on a 360 D*dge truck(the only one I've ever
seen, how about it Azie?) that had that well open to the float bowl. So
I'm nearly certain they limited it as a safety precaution, to prevent
all that cheap iron shapnel from flying around.

I used the same carb on a 289 '68 Mustang I used to have. All I had to
change was the tension on the secondary air-valve. I haven't even
changed metering rods. They are a better load sensitive carb than any
other, so they don't require as much tuning. They can deal with alot
more on their own. It was a little on the fat side on the 289, but not
bad enough to fool with. It's perfect on my 390. I have 4.56 gears, so
economy is still not really discussed. But, I have a 17 year old son
with a good job driving it to school, keeping it in fuel. I drive his
ratty little 4 cyl '84 Ranger. Hehehe. Poor kid.
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:55:06 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator

If they make a water pump with shorter snout they also make a pulley set to
match it. Might take some searching but well worth the effort if it can be
done IMHO :-)

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> wouldnt that throw off my pulley allignment?? i have a heck of a time
> getting the righly pulleys to match that engine anyways..
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:03:00 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Q-jets

>The Rochester Quadrajet is probably the best carb made for street
>driving. They only have one weakness, fuel bowl capacity. My carb has
>the well next to the float bowl for the feedback solenoid. Next time I
>take it down, I'm going to open that up to the float bowl. It should
>cure it of capacity troubles. I have one on my '65 w/ a 390. It will
>suck it dry up around 5500-6000 rpms. I'm sure it had to be made that
>way to keep the streets free of debris from the inferior engines they
>were originally installed on, if someone had told them it was going to
>go on a Ford someday

Just FYI...The Quadra jet was used OEM on the Ford 429 for a few years! And
my 514 never had any problem sucking the bowl dry on my QJ... even at 6000+
RPM

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:08:53 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.

Uhhhhh.....I don't remember what I said?? You mean the CUUTTLLAASSSS? To
be honest that 215 cube aluminum engine was a really bad design (durability
wise) but with the very good design of the Rochester (and the Iskidarian),
much was made up for :-) Remember even Ford thought it was a good design
for at least one year on at least one muscle car so it's a legal Ford part
:-)

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> Um, what was that you said? Gutless?
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 05:30:41 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - small blocks for sale

I'd like to be e-mailed with the stuff for the 351C also.


Mike in Burien

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:16:07 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cool things you learn ...

Here's a neat story I thought you might all enjoy (yes, its true):

Yesterday I was wearing my FTE T-shirt, and getting a lot of guff from
people asking why the trucks were red (as did I when the original design
was posted). So when one of the guys who likes to joke a lot said "hey" I
just turned and said they're red because the anniversary models are. He
blinked and said
"See that old truck on the shirt ? What would one of those be worth in
mint condition ?"
*shrug* "I don't really know"
"Sitting on original tires ... everything on its original, been to ohio and
back once, other than that very low mileage"
"You're talking about a real truck aren't you?!!?!"
"Yeah, my mom-in-law has one sitting in her garage that she doesn't know
what to do with, the thing is immaculate, I seem to remember it being a
very dark blue, but it may actually be black."
"Wow," was all I could muster.

We went on discussing it a little bit. The thing is in a garage 5 miles
from my house! I mentioned it to my g.f. just as a conversation piece, she
said "Well your truck is running now, so you'll need something to tinker
with" (*SHOCK*) .... also mentioned it to Dad "When are you going to go
look at it ? I definitely think its worth looking into" was his comment
... so now I gotta know, what would a fair price be ? I'm guessing its a 6
with a 3 on the tree and no options, but still, low mileage original!

Thought that was a neat story, proving they're still out there....

As an interesting side note on the 390, plugged a vacuum leak this morning
and it fixed all the low end problems I was having ( I suspected it was
that and remembered just before I fell asleep last night where I'd left a
plug off ) Also decided to get out and listen to the truck while it high
idled in the parking lot ... imagine how a stock 69 390GT or 428 Mustang
would sound that's how this sounds right now :) Stock manifolds to true
duals with super turbos on the exhaust side. If you listen closely you can
tell there's a bit heavier cam than either of those cars would have, but
that just makes it sound that much better :) I've got about 100 miles on
it now, so I was going to change the oil tonight ... can I set the idle
back down and tune it right now, or should I wait another bunch of miles ?
I just took it and drove around for a while last night, highway mostly, up
and down hills (not much choice in that), just drivin around listening to
the sweet sound of my truck running again :)


Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:43:15 -0400
From: "Ronald D. Miller"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Webmaster wanted.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 11:35:53 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap

Chris Brandt writes: >>Well I am thinking about doing a 460 swap on my 78
F250

My Son and I did this swap last year in a '79 F350 4X4(with NP435) with an 11'
flatbed on it. Here are some of our difficulties that we had to work around.

1. Pwr steering pump location on Lincoln 460 interfered with steering Box of
truck. Had to improvise brackets for both the A/C and Pwr steering pump,
because the 400 brackets won't fit the 460. We are using the Lincoln round (GM I
think) A/C compressor. Had special hoses made for the application.

2. Relocated the Alternator to a higher position on the opposite side.
Made the brackets. The later model 460 trucks have factory bractery for this I
believe.


>>I have found a 71 out of a Lincoln, this is the 385 (gross) HP 10.5:1 comp
model. That ratio seems a bit hi for pump gas....what is the pratical limit for
a street 460 ? I don't mind running premium. Cam and manifold choices
anybody...I am running a 32 inch tire and 3.50 gears (thats WHY I NEED the
460...) so my operating speed never gets much higher than 3500 RPM.

We are running the stock intake and carb as well as the stock cam. We did use
special thick head gaskets to try and drop the comp just a bit.
It runs great - produces an unbelieveably amount of torque, but will ping
slightly when under heavy loads for a relatively long time. Also cranks very
hard when hot(normal operating temp). Someday we intend to purchase the
Duraspark box with the "White" plastic piece where the wires exit. These are
supposed to have a special retard feature for this.

>>What exhaust manifolds fit, have any of You guys
used a stock Lincoln manifold ? What about the van manifolds ?

The car manifolds will require a notch in the upper portion of the frame "C"
channel. I'm told that the Van manifolds do not require this notch.

>>Any problems with the L&L motor mounts ?

No!. Good choice - Pricey but work well.

>>I do not want to cut or grind ANYTHING, this must look like a factory swap
(picky I know...)

Your truck, therefore your choice. Don't blame you a bit.


>>On Trannys, I know that the lincolns used a bit heavier clutch pack can I
bench build the lincoln tranny and use the 4x4 pan and tailshaft ?

You can, but I think(but don't know) that the truck probably has the lower
gearset for 1st/2nd gears than the Lincoln. I'd consider the Valve body from the
truck though, because the Lincoln probably has a very slushy shift. (don't know
that either - just an assumption)

>>I am not going to take the truck down untill everything else is ready to go.
Pratical limits say I have to complete the swap over a weekend....

Good luck. Took us considerably longer, but we were not pressed and had rather
take our time and do it right the 1st time than have to re-do it later.

>>Any obsevations or advice will be heeded....

I've probably forgotten something very important, but maybe not.

>>And to put Dave R out of his misery...I will keep my 400 and give it a worthy
rebuild and find a home for it. If I could have the truck down for a month or so
I would just rebuild the 400...But If I have to buy another motor and go through
the effort I might as well have the 460

Good. Gotta keep our M block devotee happy.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:27:04 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Where is he

Anyone know where Russ(an Air Force Officer in the Omaha, Nebraska area) has
gotten off to??? I've sent him a couple of E-mails directly, but no answer. He
may be in Kosovo..

FTE content. Got out in the shop last evening and did a bit of work on my '77
project. Got a very loooong way to go.

Azie
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:45:32 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: [none]

>I think what you found is an antisiphon spring that they sold back in the
>70's.
>
.........

I thought that the shape of the spring (funnel shaped taper) would help
to create a venturi effect just below the pump nozzle which would increase
the backpressure and shut the pump off just a little earlier without
restricting the flow.
What about installing a restricter plate inside the fuel fill tube like
the newer vehicles have? One hole slightly larger than the pump nozzle and
one hole to vent the pressure.
Not only does spilt fuel waste money, it's not the safest thing to have
a puddle of gas around, and fuel leaking out the cap of an in cab tank can
swell the rubber fill tube grommet and then enter the cab.


Danger
danger csolutions.net>

It sure seems like you are dealing with a problem of poor venting or a
flattend filler tube or some other restriction that prevents the free flow
of fuel into the tank. Adding restriction in the line downstream of the
nozzel may make the nozzel shut off sooner but is that really what you want
to accomplish? Both tanks in my truck flow as fast as the station pump will
deliver and I have never had a problem of them burping back spilling gas. We
do not have those goofy air suction covers on the nozzels in my area so that
may be the source of your problem-but it seems like a free flowing system
would help that too.
:-)> steve


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:33:03 -0400
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.

The Quadra-jets, with the exception of the large primary Edelbrock-which
flows 850 cfm, have either a 750 or 800 cfm capacity. The 1-3/32"
primary flows 750 and the 1-7/32" flows 800 cfm with the secondary air
valve wide open. The primary side of the Q-jet will flow approximately
300 cfm. The late model ('75 up) Q-jets are the larger versions.
I also agree that this is, in my opinion, the finest OEM carb ever
made. If you take the time to understand how it works, and the time to
dig up all the parts (made easier now that Edelbrock makes them), you can
make a Q-jet do just about any thing. The one downside to the Q-jet
though, is that it has a very small fuel bowl. This makes the Q-jet not
very suitable for "pure" racing applications.

Bryan


snipped,
OTOH, I had a cutlass with a 215" al motor
>with a
>rather large rochester on it that ran like a screaming bansheeeee. I
>don't
>know now what size that carb was but it was very large for the engine
>and
>came stock.
>
>AFAIK, there is no other carb with smaller primaries with the same
>over all
>capacity as the Rochester which puts it on the top of my list no
>matter how
>hard some say it is to tune. If this concept had been fully developed
>there
>would never have been a need for EFI (IMNSHO :-)) There are other
>copy cat
>spread bores but none with the same spread in size between the primary
>and
>secondary venturis.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:24:35 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Where is he

>Anyone know where Russ(an Air Force Officer in the Omaha, Nebraska area) has
>gotten off to??? I've sent him a couple of E-mails directly, but no answer.
> He
>may be in Kosovo..
>
He could be in Kosovo, as he was over there briefly when things started,
but we've also had some really nasty storms go though, so he may be on
cleanup detail for some area ... 2 people in western IA were killed on
Sunday, that's the first people killed in IA because of a tornado since 86,
so I imagine they were pretty bad out that way ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:45:31 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off

Perhaps I did not explain the problem at hand as well as I could have.
The problem is that the gas pump does not shut off soon enough. Not only do
I get splashed with fuel when it fills it to the cap (no burping involved),
The cold fuel swells with heat and comes out the top of the fill tube in the
hot desert sun. I want to figure out a way to shut the pump off sooner,
without restricting fuel flow into the tank.

Any ideas on how to accomplish this task would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Danger
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Where is he

I live in Iowa and with all thestorms the damage is
worse than the flood of '93 around hear. So there is
a chance that the person is helping with the cleenup.





- ---William S Hart wrote:
>
> >Anyone know where Russ(an Air Force Officer in the
Omaha, Nebraska area) has
> >gotten off to??? I've sent him a couple of
E-mails directly, but no answer.
> > He
> >may be in Kosovo..
> >
> He could be in Kosovo, as he was over there briefly
when things started,
> but we've also had some really nasty storms go
though, so he may be on
> cleanup detail for some area ... 2 people in
western IA were killed on
> Sunday, that's the first people killed in IA
because of a tornado since 86,
> so I imagine they were pretty bad out that way ...
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:37:46 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off

In a message dated 5/20/99 2:56:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
danger csolutions.net writes:

> The cold fuel swells with heat and comes out the top of the fill tube in the
> hot desert sun. I want to figure out a way to shut the pump off sooner,
> without restricting fuel flow into the tank.


How about just letting go of the nozzle? Seems to work at all of
the filling stations I visit ;-)

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:00:13 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Waxing

Jesus Cardoso said:

> When I bought my truck it had been sitting out in the elements for while.
> The paints still looks a like it is in good condition even though it looks
> a little flat and faded. My question is if I can just used regular wax to
> try and give the paint job some protection and shine or if I should use
> something special to keep from damaging the paint further. I pretty much
> want to avoid lifting off what paint is left. Can I just use regular terry
> cloths or should I use a softer material? Any suggestions?!?!?

I prefer just plain carnuba wax. If applied correctly with clean rags, it
does a great job.

If the paint lacks shine, it would probably be a good idea to use rubbing
compound or polish to bring back some shine. You will have to test a spot
first to make sure you don't go through the paint, but you will be
surprised how good old paint can look with a little work. The black paint
on my Falcon was badly worn, but I hand compounded, polished, and waxed it
and it now looks fantastic. I started the same process on my van, which
looks dull and chalky, but then I realized how much work it would be for a
van that needs a full repaint in the near future anyway. The front of the
van is shiny, but the rest looks like blue primer (not such a bad rat rod
look). :)

You don't need a buffer to do a good job -- just elbow grease.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:08:25 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering wheel painting

Ted Wnorowski said:

> Does anyone know what type of paint I should use on a steering wheel?
> I just nabbed a beautiful NOS wheel for a '63 from eBay. The only problem
> is that it's black. My current one is light blue. I can tell the old one
> is black underneath, I just need to know what type of paint to shoot it
> with. Any help is greatly appreciated.

I restored the wheel on my '66 Club Wagon. Instructions are found at my
website (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fedora.net/falconaut>. I used Duplicolor spray paint
from the local Pep Boys. My wheel was Wimbledon White and the Duplicolor
was a perfect match. I put on 3 coats, wetsanded between coats, and then
sprayed 2 or 3 coats of clear to add some depth and shine.

Since the rest of my van is unrestored, the wheel has gotten scraped a few
times, but the paint holds up very under normal use. I'm very happy with
the results.

- -don

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:41:30 -0400
From: "steve b adams"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up.
I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint
code is 72.
Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and
corresponding colors.
Any help is appreciated.

Steve in Michigan.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:04:07 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - paint codes

Steve,
Mess up?? Around here?? Surely you won't mess up more than Deacon, Marko,
Tony(the maniac kid) or myself!!!! 8^)

Your local paint supplier should have the part number to mix the paint with
great success.
I recently had to order paint for my 71 truck and they had no problems
mixing the paint. It matches great against the old original paint on the
floor pan.

My painter requested I buy PPG Delstar Acrylic enamel and am very pleased
with his results. If I was not painting a show truck, I would definitley
go with a base clear system for durability. After my experiences with PPG
I would consider it for your paint.

Anyone else with the official name of the paint??
Good Luck!

Stu
Nuke GM!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
SCHOOL'S OUT!!!!!!!!!!

Steve wrote:
>Hi, I'm new at this so I hope I don't mess up.
>I own a 78 F-100 shortbed. I've been preparing it for new paint. The paint
>code is 72.
>Does anyone know where to call or mail for a listing of Ford paint codes and
>corresponding colors.
>Any help is appreciated.

>Steve in Michigan

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:01:22 -0700
From: "Bill Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

Greetings from California! I have a '66 F-250 with a '92 5.0 litre engine in
it. The motor itself has over 100,000 miles on it and still runs great.
Yesterday when I pulled out of the driveway there was a puddle of oil smack
dab right in the middle of the driveway. Upon inspection of the underside of
the vehicle(with engine running), I noticed oil bubbling out of what
appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil filter. I replaced
the filter to no avail. The leak doesn't seem to be coming from anywhere
else and traveling to this spot(front main, valve covers, etc.). My question
to one of the most intelligent group of individuals on the net is---Is this
an unusual place for an oil leak, or is there another common spot that this
leak could be coming from such as an oil pressure sensor or something else
in that area? I would hate to have to pull the oil pan if I didn't have to.
Your comments are definately appreciated---Thanks! Bill


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:14:39 -0400
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump Shut Off

>> The cold fuel swells with heat and comes out the top of the fill tube in the
>> hot desert sun. I want to figure out a way to shut the pump off sooner,
>> without restricting fuel flow into the tank.
>
>
>How about just letting go of the nozzle? Seems to work at all of
>the filling stations I visit ;-)

Guess he wants to flip that little dohickey on the handle so that the truck
will fill itself while he cleans the windshield and checks the oil. Myself
I rarely do that - fill it all up or clean the windshield :-) Having a
leaky gas tank for a year put me into the habit of only putting in a half
tank. Now that I have a truck with a brand new tank I still don't fill it
right up...much easier to just put in $20 than have to count out change...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:40:37 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My Differential

Please excuse this if it came already, but I'm not sure if it made it.

Well hello folks,

Thought Id pass on a lil info Ive learned over the past few days.
First of all when a shop says "It'll be out Tuesday," dont even call till
late wednesday. And then be ready for them to still not be done. Poor
Tweety has been in the shop since last Tuesday waiting on a new gearset.
Seems the howling I was hearing was the bearings and the gears fighting over
who could sing loudest. This is my 2nd bit of advice, If you cant remember
when the last time you changed your Diff oil, do it now! Especially if you
happen to own a one ton. Dana 70 parts are definately NOT cheap. When I
pick up Tweety today, the bill will be right around $1000. This is going to
cover the new gears, bearings, seals, a new carrier bearing, and repair of
the rear drive shaft.
Having this work done has provided me with a lil bit more info that
Id like to share. For those of you that weren't following the mileage thread
a while ago, I reported that my 74 F-350 w 460 was getting 10.1 mpg, after
installing my Jacobs. I have since found out that I was doing this with 4.56
gears! This impressed the wazoo outta me, especially considering I averaged
80 during the test, and with those gears I was turning about 4000 RPMs. This
also means those mornings I was tearing down the freeway at 100 was not doin
my engine ANY favors. Thats a testament to a 460 right there folks! Any how
Ive geared up to a 4.11, hopefully my mileage will creep into the 11s, and I
hope not to sacrifice too much oomph. I'm pretty sure Im gonna loose the
abilty to do a 2nd gear burnout though, that was cool!

Wow looks like I was ramblin again, se ya folks!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:58:25 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.

on a 78 f150 4x4, i need the short outer axle shaft. on the left side,for a
dana 44 is this a dana part or ford part?i also need the manual hub does
anybody have these spare parts laying around.a friend of mine is a dana
dealer, i guess i need to check with him, but i figured i'd get more input
from the list members.

thanks, jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 20 May 99 23:10:07 PDT
From: "jeff loosier"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - swapping a 390 for a 302

Hi im new to the list and i just though i would
ask for some advise, im doing a frame off restore
on a 71 ranger xlt that currently has a 390
and a c6 and im trying to decide on rebuilding
the 390 or swapping for a 302 and a c4 could
anyone tell me what all parts if any motor mount,
crossmember exct:that might be involved

Thanks jeff l
Muscle Shoals Al.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:23:31 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dana 44 parts needed.

>on a 78 f150 4x4, i need the short outer axle shaft. on the left side,for a
>dana 44 is this a dana part or ford part?i also need the manual hub does
>anybody have these spare parts laying around.a friend of mine is a dana
>dealer, i guess i need to check with him, but i figured i'd get more input
>from the list members.
>
>thanks, jeff grant

Jeff i have a axle shaft if ya need one! mail me off list and we can work
something out! Although that stub axle is not particular to the Ford! jeep
J-series and chevy stuff is the same!
Norm/Tracie dahorse jvlnet.com
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:28:02 -0500
From: George Ramsower
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Finally painted my truck

If anyone wants to look at it. My 78 F-150 is on my page now.
WWW.wireweb.net/users/georgeram/

I did all the work on it, including the paint. It used to be blue and
white.

I bought this truck in 1985 from the original owner, in Corpus Christi,
Texas. It showed ninety five thousand miles at the time. I think it had
more. It had been treated with Z-Bart rustproofing when purchased
originally, and was taken in for a touch up a year later. The original
Z-Bart papers were in the glove box.

The main color is black, and the sides are a dark silver. Hence the
name "Dark Cloud"

400/C6/3.25 lim slip /Edelbrock intake w/Q-Jet. Comp cams 218 .050
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 01:39:26 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bubbling Crude

On Thu, 20 May 1999 19:01:22 -0700 "Bill Deacon"
writes:
>Greetings from California! I have a '66 F-250 with a '92 5.0 litre
>engine in
>it.
>Yesterday when I pulled out of the driveway there was a puddle of oil
>smack
>dab right in the middle of the driveway. I noticed oil bubbling out of
what
>appeared to be the oil pan gasket directly under the oil filter. The
leak doesn't seem to be coming from
>anywhere
>else and traveling to this spot(front main, valve covers, etc.).

Bill ,
I have had an oil sending unit spring a leak and it will allow lots of
oil to ( as you put it ) bubble out . I know the oil sending unit on
the 5.0 ( 302 ) should be located on the block in the area between the
oil filter and the timing chain cover . I have saw engines with
mechanical fuel pumps leak oil .
Clean this area of oil with a pressure washer and then let it run . I
would suspect and inspect the oil sending unit first for this large of
an oil leak at just an idle and moving up and down a driveway .
Good luck , hope this helps .
Rollie .

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:35:40 -0400
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Back from the Forge

To the list....My family and I just got back to Indiana from the Nats in
PF. It was the first " single marque" nationals we have ever attended. I
can't tell you how blown away I was with the whole thing ! The overall
quality and atmosphere was top notch all the way. It does the heart good to
see and hear all those sweet Ford engines cruisin up and down the Parkway
long into the night ! Sure there where a few "other" engines in there; but I
guess that's what makes the world go round. For those that have never
attended, try and take it in sometime. You won't be disappointed ! It's
worth the drive just to see the parade ! I still can't believe that many
61-66 F-100's have survived. You don't see them much up here anymore.
Also wanted to mention that we took in the muscle car museum up in
Sevierville. If your into muscle from the 60's & 70's it's a goldmine.
Several Ford "Lightweight" race cars as well as other makes too. A couple of....


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