61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 169



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator
RE: FTE 61-79 - Column/Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,Gary
FTE 61-79 - membership
RE: FTE 61-79 - clean up
Re: FTE 61-79 - membership/picture page
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator
FTE 61-79 - alternator wiring
FTE 61-79 - 351W Saga At An End
FTE 61-79 - FE Balance
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.
FTE 61-79 - filler spring
FTE 61-79 - auto to manual column
FTE 61-79 - HELP!
Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust
Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust
Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust
Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!
FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
FTE 61-79 - Spring in filler tube
RE: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring
Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator
FTE 61-79 - vin search
RE: FTE 61-79 - vin search
Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search
FTE 61-79 - waxing
Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search
Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search
Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring (fuel pump shutoff)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter
FTE 61-79 - HELP!
FTE 61-79 - 390 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - waxing
FTE 61-79 - Ad in the Denton, Texas classifieds
FTE 61-79 - small blocks for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!
FTE 61-79 - stack pipes
Re: FTE 61-79 - small blocks for sale

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:24:22 EDT
From: Ftcssdv aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator

just a thought here, i read your previous posts, and if i am replying to the
correct email ,you were wondering whether to get rid of the HUGE radiator
that you had now to put in a smaller one so you could put in a electric fan?
am i correct to assume you wouldnt need the fan with the bigger one but might
need it with the smaller one?
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:29:20 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Column/Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,Gary

Thanks! :-) I've been off all my lists for a few weeks now and am getting
bored with work so had to drop in for a while. I had to get off the bronco
list due to traffic and it's too much of a distraction to allow me to get
any work done. This list is just about right for traffic so I'll keep it as
long as I can :-) When work piles up I have to part though :-(

The bronco guys are a great bunch and if I were retired I would love to hang
in there with them but I have to set priorities so had to shut it down for a
while. I really wish they could set up some dividing lines like we did on
the truck list to narrow down the discussions a tad. In the case of the
broncos a separate 78/79 list would be appropriate IMHO but so far they
don't have this so I had to cut it off totally for a while.

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> Welcome back Pot Hole Jumping Gary
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:27:33 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - membership

Does anyone know what has to be done in order to get a membership so one
can have his/her truck picture placed on the FTE web page ? ? ?

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:32:54 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - clean up

I bought some drano to do the same thing but haven't tried it yet. Maybe
tonight I'll give it a try.

The gang talked about this at the forge and I believe it was Don who called
it "Purple stuff"??

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> I just tried a degreaser made by Castrol. It comes in gallons
> and is purple colored. I love this stuff! It must have lye in
> it as it takes the grease and makes it soluble in water.
> Works great! Spray some on the garage floor and hose it off.
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:41:06 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - membership/picture page

In a message dated 5/19/99 7:36:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rob_long bigfoot.com writes:

> Does anyone know what has to be done in order to get a membership so one
> can have his/her truck picture placed on the FTE web page ? ? ?
>
Nothing other than following the directions on the pictorial page and
exercising patience. The time it takes for your picture to be posted will
all depend on how many picture requests are pending and the time availability
for our gracious hosts.

Stock Man
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1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:22:14 -0400
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator

He is trying to eliminate the mechanical fan and with a 460 you have to have
a fan to keep it cool at idle and low speeds (as with most engines). The
problem with the 460 is that it produces so much heat even at idle that an
electric fan is marginal at best even when the dual fan with shroud is used.

Some say the pusher fans are less efficient due to the shroud blocking part
of the radiator air flow (which makes sense to me) so puller fans are
preferred for a 460 application. The 460 is longer due to bore spacing so,
yes the front of the engine will be further forward if the tranny remains in
the original location.

There are several choices, all of which require some fabrication and/or new
drive shafts etc..:

1..Relocate the radiator by modifying the radiator frame (probably the
easiest and least expensive)
2..Relocate the engine and thus the xfer case and tranny necessatating new
drive shafts and some bracket modification or relocation etc..
3..Find a water pump with shorter snout
4..Mount an electric water pump (expensive and not a good long range, high
mileage plan)

I put a 460 in an F-150 in place of a 351M/400 and was able to make it all
fit without changing the drive shaft but I did move the tranny back to the
next hole as I recall. Since it is 2wd the xfer case was not an issue but
when I built my van I simply mounted the side bracket wherever it landed,
drilled new holes and put new drive shafts in it. I actually made my own
drive shafts and put up with the vibration but I actually did a pretty good
job of getting them lined up so it wasn't bad anyway. I was a lot more
ambitious then too. I'm not sure I would do this again :-)

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> am i correct to assume you wouldnt need the fan with the
> bigger one but might
> need it with the smaller one?
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 07:48:29 -0500
From: "John LaGrone"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - alternator wiring

wish,

I had some problems with my electrical when I first acquired the truck. The
battery grounding cable only went over to the fender. I bought one of those
battery cables that has a bolt hole lug on both ends. I bolted it to the
fender and then ran it over to some of the bracketry holding the alternator
(I think) where a hose or wiring hold down was already attached. It is
amazing how many electrical problems can be cured by a good ground.

Older model vehicles used to have a braided strap that was connected between
the back of each head and the firewall. I haven't seen one of those in a
long time.

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Dearborn iron rules!!!!

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:00:20 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351W Saga At An End

> As long as the customer's happy I guess huh ? Wish some places would
> realize that the customer is the one they're here to serve sometimes...

And he is, it runs beautifully. The ping is very light, and under very
light acceleration, if you give it a little more throttle(dropping the
manifold vacuam enough to bring in the power valve) it stops it
immediately. It's very strong. I'm just more particular than most
people about tuning. And I think the ping could be cured by a little
more fuel.

We really did go the extra mile to get it running right, we just have a
little difference in opinion on the effect of more fuel. He thinks it
will hurt the economy, and make it sloppy, I think it will help by
keeping your foot happy, and the ping under control. With a "61" jet,
it's a long, long way from becoming sloppy. Wait a month or so, the
first time the guy tries to tow something he'll be back and we'll be
jetting it up.
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:25:21 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Balance

Don Halsey writes: >>I am less sure of the terms internal and external balance
although I suspect that internal = zero balance and external = Detroit balance

I think you are correct in your assumptions above. All FE's except the 410 and
428 are Zero Balanced, so you can mix/match vibration dampers and flywheels any
way you want to. It should not matter by year nor displacement except as noted.

Balancing has some very good aspects, but if you are just building an ordinary
motor for ordinary purposes, you will not be able to notice any appreciatable
differences in performance or longevity. I like a smoothe balanced engine, but
don't always do it. I've gotten 200,000 plus troublefree miles from several
FE's that were never balanced. It might help in longevity, but 200,000 miles is
acceptable in my book. All this is JMHO.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:10:23 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.

This has been discussed many times in the past but I can't resist.....the
size of the engine and rpm it is expected to reach will determine the over
all capacity of the carb. If you run a 460 at 1800 rpm all you need is a
single barrel in the 300 cfm capacity range but if you want to make it run
at 7200 rpm then you will need upwards of 850 to make any power.

The trade off comes in when you want to run at 1800 rpm under a heavy load
at near WOT. The primaries of a square bore 850 will be too large to meter
well under those conditions so for streetability you will have to compromise
down or put up with poor throttle response at lower rpms. This is where the
Rochester comes in and shines, you still get the 850 to rev to 7200 with
good power to spare and yet will be able to push it hard at 1800 rpm and get
good metering, clean running and nice throttle response.

My son had a Plymouth sport something or other with a 318 and single barrel
carb on it that would hit 100 mph easily and around town it still got up and
went very nicely. A large 4 barrel on that application would have choked it
to death with excess air. OTOH, I had a cutlass with a 215" al motor with a
rather large rochester on it that ran like a screaming bansheeeee. I don't
know now what size that carb was but it was very large for the engine and
came stock.

AFAIK, there is no other carb with smaller primaries with the same over all
capacity as the Rochester which puts it on the top of my list no matter how
hard some say it is to tune. If this concept had been fully developed there
would never have been a need for EFI (IMNSHO :-)) There are other copy cat
spread bores but none with the same spread in size between the primary and
secondary venturis.

If you put an 850 square bore on a 460 you will have trouble tuning it at
lower rpms but with the Rochester it will run very clean as will many
smaller engines as well.

The Carter ThermoQuad and Holley 4165/75 are spread bores with the same bolt
patterns but with larger primaries and ford has a motor craft version
(several actually) with larger primaries as well but with a differnt base
bolt pattern so that it is unique to ford.

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> they said 750 and nothing lower. I broke in the motor with
> the old carb
> that was on it before I tore it down. It was a Holley 600. It
> ran good with
> the 600, but near as good as with the 750. Very noticable
> difference.
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:26:39 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - filler spring


rear sending unit from Ford), I found a rusty coil spring inside the fill
tube in the shape of a funnel and threw it away. I think this spring is the
key to shutting the fuel off at the proper time and allowing the fuel to
flow faster when filling.


Danger
danger csolutions.net>


I think what you found is an antisiphon spring that they sold back in the
70's. You thread that thing down in the tank filler tube and supposedly
noone could fish a siphon tube past it. Never worked either way- siphon
tubes slide right past and the restriction in the filler always prematurely
kicked off the pump shut off mechanism. clever but not clever enough.

Steve



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:40:06 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - auto to manual column

Thanks for your help. It sounds like the easiest is to just swap the
shafts. I'll give that way a shot, once I get around to getting the parts
of the donor.

Marty


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:56:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

Okay, I don't know if I'm not being patient enough, but this is important.
Got my 390 fired up (cheer!), but the oil pressure didn't come up !!! I
shut it down after 30seconds MAX! and pulled the distributor to be sure
that the oil pump was engaged, and I have the right sized socket to spin
it, so I started spinning the pump ... spun easy ... hooked up a cordless
drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
starts making funny noises ... so I shut it down and try to turn the pump
by hand ... bonus, its pulling oil now, so I crank it by hand a few times
and hear some oil squirting ... so I spun it a few more times, checked the
book by christ and it says it should build some pressure just by crankin,
so I put the dist in and crank it a few times, nothing ... tried a combo
of this for a few minutes (10 or 15, didn't have a watch on)

So now what ?

I checked the gauge ... its good. I'm about 90% sure that the oil pump is
engaging the dist. (can't make the shaft any longer than it is ...)

Am I just not being patient enough, or do I really have a problem ? what
do I do next ? I don't want to ruin this motor before I even get it broke in!

Oh yeah, and even with that cam, it was runnin smoooooooth for the short
time it was running.


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:08:25 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust

>I'm about to install a new exhaust in my
>1978 F-250 and I'm looking for some info
>on stacks. They come up 0n the side or behind
>your cab. I've seen alot of trucks with this setup
>but I don't think any of the standard exhaust people
>make them. any info would help.
>
Hmmm... I just saw some advertised, I think it was summit that had them
(www.summitracing.com), but it might have been J.C. Whitney that had them
too ... Summit's catalog is free if you order it from their website, I
think JCW's is a couple bucks at a local bookstore...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:30:46 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust


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On Wed, 19 May 1999 11:08:25 William S Hart wrote:
>>I'm about to install a new exhaust in my
>>1978 F-250 and I'm looking for some info
>>on stacks. They come up 0n the side or behind
>>your cab. I've seen alot of trucks with this setup
>>but I don't think any of the standard exhaust people
>>make them. any info would help.
>>
>Hmmm... I just saw some advertised, I think it was summit that had them
>(www.summitracing.com), but it might have been J.C. Whitney that had them
>too ... Summit's catalog is free if you order it from their website, I
>think JCW's is a couple bucks at a local bookstore...

JCW's is free too. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jcwhitney.com


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:34:47 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - new exhaust

After I sent that other message, I found them on JCW's site. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.jcwhitney.com/products/truck/81zx9727.htm You can order them online.
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On Wed, 19 May 1999 11:08:25 William S Hart wrote:
>>I'm about to install a new exhaust in my
>>1978 F-250 and I'm looking for some info
>>on stacks. They come up 0n the side or behind
>>your cab. I've seen alot of trucks with this setup
>>but I don't think any of the standard exhaust people
>>make them. any info would help.
>>
>Hmmm... I just saw some advertised, I think it was summit that had them
>(www.summitracing.com), but it might have been J.C. Whitney that had them
>too ... Summit's catalog is free if you order it from their website, I
>think JCW's is a couple bucks at a local bookstore...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:44:34 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

At 10:56 AM 19/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Am I just not being patient enough, or do I really have a problem ? what
>do I do next ? I don't want to ruin this motor before I even get it broke
in!
>
>Oh yeah, and even with that cam, it was runnin smoooooooth for the short
>time it was running.

Crank the engine over with the starter (but the coil UNHOOKED) until you
see oil pressure coming up on the gauge. Even better, take off the send
unit from the filter adaptor, put in a fitting and a short piece of hose,
and a mechanical oil pressure gauge hooked up with clear plastic pipe. The
reason I say that is, once you're cranking the engine, with one hand, with
the other two hands you can go over and bleed off the air from the line to
the gauge once you see some oil come up in that line. BTW did you put on a
new send unit?

It may take up to 2-3 minutes of continuous cranking to get the pressure
up. Be patient but be careful not to burn your starter.

BTW which way does your oil filter point? Down or to the side? Remember
that your oil filter has to fill up before you start building oil pressure.
That takes some time, esp. with an unprimed pump/pickup tube. If your
filter points down, you should fill it with oil prior to putting it on.

As soon as the engine primes up with oil you will notice that the starter
has an easier time of it cranking the motor over (naturally!). ONly then
shud you start your engine, and provided there's oil pressure, DO NOT LET
IT STALL and run it for 15 minutes, maybe 20, at 2000 rpm. This is for
proper cam break-in. Don't skip this step.

Then shut it down. You can play with it later (tuning, timing, etc.)


good luck!


marko


>
>
>Thanks,
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:53:45 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

Well I am thinking about doing a 460 swap on my 78 F250......I like my 400
but the new boat and camper want a 460.

I have found a 71 out of a Lincoln, this is the 385 (gross) HP 10.5:1 comp
model. That ratio seems a bit hi for pump gas....what is the pratical limit
for a street 460 ? I don't mind running premium. Cam and manifold choices
anybody...I am running a 32 inch tire and 3.50 gears (thats WHY I NEED the
460...) so my operating speed never gets much higher than 3500 RPM.

Now the tough questions, I want to swap this thing using as many factory
parts as possible. I have the A/C compressor and PS pump brackets already. I
don't think the cruise bracket will be hard to find either. Going to use a
van oil pan and pick-up...What exhaust manifolds fit, have any of You guys
used a stock Lincoln manifold ? What about the van manifolds ? Last question
is there a factory alternator bracket that mounts high like the current one.
I think crossmember clearance will be a problem with the lo mount bracket.

Any problems with the L&L motor mounts ?

I do not want to cut or grind ANYTHING, this must look like a factory swap (
picky I know...)

On Trannys, I know that the lincolns used a bit heavier clutch pack can I
bench build the lincoln tranny and use the 4x4 pan and tailshaft ? I am not
going to take the truck down untill everything else is ready to go. Pratical
limits say I have to complete the swap over a weekend....

Any obsevations or advice will be heeded....

And to put Dave R out of his misery...I will keep my 400 and give it a
worthy rebuild and find a home for it. If I could have the truck down for a
month or so I would just rebuild the 400...But If I have to buy another
motor and go through the effort I might as well have the 460

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:10:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

I won't presume to speak for Dave but just because a few of us have a
fondness for the much maligned M series doesn't mean we're miserable. It
just means that we accept the challenge of taking something and making it
better than it was from the factory as opposed to taking the easy way out &
slapping a 460 into everything that moves ;-).

Now before y'all start pulling out the flame throwers or accusing me a
starting ANOTHER engine war, please realize that the prior statement was
strictly tongue-in-cheek...list traffic has been a little slow lately
anyway...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Brandt, Chris
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 9:52 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460



>And to put Dave R out of his misery...I will keep my 400 and give it a
>worthy rebuild and find a home for it. If I could have the truck down for a
>month or so I would just rebuild the 400...But If I have to buy another
>motor and go through the effort I might as well have the 460



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:22:44 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> I won't presume to speak for Dave but just because a few of us have a
> fondness for the much maligned M series doesn't mean we're miserable. It
> just means that we accept the challenge of taking something and making it
> better than it was from the factory as opposed to taking the easy way out &
> slapping a 460 into everything that moves ;-).
>

Not to mention, a 460 (in a Bronco anyway) is not going to be smog
legal, from a visual standpoint, in many states very soon. At least a
400 can "look" legal with a swap back to a 2 bbl. I going through this
dilema right now with my 79. 400 or 460?? It will be almost entirely a
tow vehicle (no crying about my choice for towing either, ;-)).

OX
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:47:25 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spring in filler tube

"I found a rusty coil spring inside the fill
tube in the shape of a funnel and threw it away. I think this spring is
the key to shutting the fuel off at the proper time and allowing the
fuel to flow faster when filling."

I think the spring is aftermarket device to keep someone from putting a
hose in your tank and siphoning your gas.They were popular during the
"Gas Crisis"
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:55:16 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

If it's any consolation OX, I saw a guy's truck which had a 351M with 671
blower on it and 9.5:1 compression using stock heads which he claimed would
run all day on premium with no detonation. You know that motor had to be
making some torque :-) Said it cost him about $4500 which included some
machining since they don't make a kit that exactly fits the 335 series
engines apparently.

Course that probably won't be smog legal either :-)

- --
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78 Bronco, Gary
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- --

> Not to mention, a 460 (in a Bronco anyway) is not going to be smog
> legal, from a visual standpoint, in many states very soon. At least a
> 400 can "look" legal with a swap back to a 2 bbl. I going through this
> dilema right now with my 79. 400 or 460?? It will be almost entirely a
> tow vehicle (no crying about my choice for towing either, ;-)).
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:49:15 -0500
From: "Freewheel"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring

As I remember, the coil springs inserted into the filler tube was an
aftermarket gimick to foil people from siphioning gas for the tank. I
remember my dad installing them in our cars back in Texas.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: steve potratz
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 10:26 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - filler spring


>
> rear sending unit from Ford), I found a rusty coil spring inside the fill
> tube in the shape of a funnel and threw it away. I think this spring is
the
> key to shutting the fuel off at the proper time and allowing the fuel to
> flow faster when filling.
>
>
> Danger
> danger csolutions.net>
>
>
> I think what you found is an antisiphon spring that they sold back in the
> 70's. You thread that thing down in the tank filler tube and supposedly
> noone could fish a siphon tube past it. Never worked either way- siphon
> tubes slide right past and the restriction in the filler always
prematurely
> kicked off the pump shut off mechanism. clever but not clever enough.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:04:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

Wish writes:
> Got my 390 fired up (cheer!), but the oil pressure didn't come up !!! I
> shut it down after 30seconds MAX! and pulled the distributor to be sure
> that the oil pump was engaged, and I have the right sized socket to spin
> it, so I started spinning the pump ... spun easy ... hooked up a cordless
> drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
> ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
> starts making funny noises ... so I shut it down and try to turn the pump
> by hand ... bonus, its pulling oil now, so I crank it by hand a few times
> and hear some oil squirting ... so I spun it a few more times, checked the
> book by christ and it says it should build some pressure just by crankin,
> so I put the dist in and crank it a few times, nothing ... tried a combo
> of this for a few minutes (10 or 15, didn't have a watch on)
>
> So now what ?
>

Bill, I would put that drill back on it and keep on spinning it until
you have oil pressure, and then some. I've always done this with any
engine I've built, and you get a nice warm fuzzy feeling about all
those nice new parts being bathed in oil :-).

If you'd rather, you can also use the starter as Marko suggested.
In addition to the disconnecting the coil, I'd pull the plugs
out to reduce the load on the rod bearings.

And, once it is started, follow Marko's advice on the initial
run (20 minutes at 2000 RPM). This is critcal for cam/lifter
break in, the RPM's gets the oil up there.

Good Luck! And, Have a nice test ride!
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:12:33 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

In the f-250 it will be smog legal with the right parts and the mounts can
be orderd from ford, in fact I have the stock donuts or pads of the 3 part
mount system they used on them which I orderd by mistake and will probably
never use. You need the van passenger side manifold or any truck manifold
for the passenger side and apparently due as you said to the front cross
member the high alternator mount. Sounds like you have it all figured out
but remember that the 460 is longer and you may have radiator clearance
problems if you mount it in the same location as the 400. It also has a
thicker timing cover so all this adds up to a fan that is further forward or
closer to the radiator.

I think you will be surprised how high you can go on compression with a 460
and still have no detonation. I would be more concerned about the 71's lack
of hardenend valve seats. I believe 73 was the first year for this??

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78 Bronco, Gary
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- --

> Well I am thinking about doing a 460 swap on my 78
> F250......I like my 400
> but the new boat and camper want a 460.
>
> I have found a 71 out of a Lincoln, this is the 385 (gross)
> HP 10.5:1 comp
> model. That ratio seems a bit hi for pump gas....what is the
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:12:46 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: too much carb.

At 04:10 PM 19/05/99 +0100, you wrote:

>My son had a [deleted]

Uh, that'd be Pl*mouth, or Plym*uth.

sport something or other with a 318 and single barrel
>carb on it that would hit 100 mph easily and around town it still got up and
>went very nicely. A large 4 barrel on that application would have choked it
>to death with excess air. OTOH, I had a [deleted]

Um, what was that you said? Gutless?


marko


(Scoobie Stu, Where are You???)

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:21:24 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

Hi Chris,

I did the same swap you're contemplating a couple of years ago and
can recommend it highly.:-)

Cam and manifold choices
>anybody...I am running a 32 inch tire and 3.50 gears (thats WHY I NEED the
>460...) so my operating speed never gets much higher than 3500 RPM.

I went with all Edelbrock Performer stuff - cam, lifters, timing set,
intake.
Carter 625cfm carb (#9637). I also re-curved the distributor and installed
an
MSD ignition box. New flat-top pistons that took me to about 9.2:1
compression.I

I'm running 33's with 3.55's; seems to be a good combo.

The brackets were the toughest part of my swap. The front crossmember on
my 77 F250 4WD was right where the alternator needed to hang. Scoured
the wrecking yards and found three different brackets before I got one that
would work. Found it on a late 70's Ford van.

* Here's a tip guys; don't ignore the vans when you're looking for 460
parts.
Ford put 460's in the vans as well and the close quarters under the
doghouse
produced some good bracketry.:-)

Exhaust manifolds - The passenger car exhaust manifold will work on the
drivers side, but you'll need one from a 460 truck application for the
passenger side. The passenger car manifold turns outward, requiring
you to notch the frame to get it to clear ( at least in my 77).
The truck manifold goes straight back and down, clearing the frame.
This will probably be a difficult part to locate, but it's the best way to
go.

I finally gave up trying to get a factory PS pump bracket that would work in
my
application since my power steering conversion left me with less space, so
I ordered a bracket from L&L. Their bracket fit perfectly and solved my
dilemna but they're sure proud of them. I also used the L&L motor mounts.
No complaints; everything bolted up nicely.

Good luck with your swap; let us know how it turns out.:-)


Hope this helps,

Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:51:48 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

Marko Maryniak wrote:

>
>
> If your
> filter points down, you should fill it with oil prior to putting it on.
>

I do this on regular oil changes also. Every little bit helps. While I'm at it, does anyone know what type of paint I should use on a steering wheel? I just nabbed a beautiful NOS wheel for a '63 from eBay. The only problem is that it's black. My current one is light blue. I can tell the old one is black underneath, I just need to know what type of paint to shoot it with. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Ted Wnorowski
"ON STRIKE"
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 FE (transplant) 4-Speed



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:33:10 -0500
From: "Nate Doelling"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter

As I have been browsing through the list another thought as come to mind. Is
a re-built stock carb. on the 351M good enough for an engine with nearly 90K
on it? Ever since I replaced the original with a Holley re-build, the exact
same model, I have had the problems with poor low-end/reverse power with a
cold to semi-warm engine. It is exactly like I have a blown power valve but
I have replaced it twice to make sure. Am I starving the poor thing of fuel,
and can that be a cause of my high-end pinging?




> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of William S Hart
> Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 9:20 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter
>
>
> >Dazed and confused--- my 79 F150 is chattering like a tambourine when
> >accelerating at speeds above 60 mph! Anyone have any suggestions?
> >


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:52:03 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator

>3..Find a water pump with shorter snout
>--
>Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
>78 Bronco, Gary
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=167

wouldnt that throw off my pulley allignment?? i have a heck of a time
getting the righly pulleys to match that engine anyways..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:59:52 GMT
From: "Joe Swinko"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vin search

Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
start too much work!


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:44 -0500
From: "Nate Doelling"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - vin search

Go to msn carpoint. They have a link on there in the used car section to
check a vin for free.

>
> Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
> as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
> start too much work!
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:25:05 -0700
From: jefro netscape.com (Jeffrey Osier-Mixon)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search

> Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
> as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
> start too much work!

Many of the major pricing services and online auto sales places have links
to companies where you can do title searches by VIN. Biggest one I've
noticed is Carfax at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carfax.com.



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:36:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - waxing

Howdy!

I have a question that I hope someone can answer. When I bought
my truck it had been sitting out in the elements for while. The paints
still looks a like it is in good condition even though it looks a little
flat and faded. My question is if I can just used regular wax to try and
give the paint job some protection and shine or if I should use something
special to keep from damaging the paint further. I pretty much want to
avoid lifting off what paint is left. Can I just use regular terry cloths
or should I use a softer material? Any suggestions?!?!?

Thank you in advance.

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:27:09 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search

Joe

I would think when you do/did the title transfer any problems would show up.


At 07:59 PM 5/19/99 GMT, you wrote:
>Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
>as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
>start too much work!
>
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:20:45 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vin search

> > Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
> > as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
> > start too much work!'
..........

> Many of the major pricing services and online auto sales places have links
> to companies where you can do title searches by VIN. Biggest one I've
> noticed is Carfax at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carfax.com.
>
............

A quote from Carfax web site:) "Carfax database contains information for
cars manufactured from 1981 through the present".

Since the local authorities have the final say, it would probably be
best to have them search their databases. It would be a shame to pour money
into a truck because one database says it's not stolen, and then have the
authorities tell you it is stolen when you try to register it.


Danger
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:13:31 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - filler spring (fuel pump shutoff)

> I found a rusty coil spring inside the fill
> tube in the shape of a funnel and threw it away. I think this spring is
the
> key to shutting the fuel off at the proper time and allowing the fuel to
> flow faster when filling.
.......

>
> I think what you found is an antisiphon spring that they sold back in the
> 70's.
>
........

I thought that the shape of the spring (funnel shaped taper) would help
to create a venturi effect just below the pump nozzle which would increase
the backpressure and shut the pump off just a little earlier without
restricting the flow.
What about installing a restricter plate inside the fuel fill tube like
the newer vehicles have? One hole slightly larger than the pump nozzle and
one hole to vent the pressure.
Not only does spilt fuel waste money, it's not the safest thing to have
a puddle of gas around, and fuel leaking out the cap of an in cab tank can
swell the rubber fill tube grommet and then enter the cab.


Danger
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:24:58 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter

>From: "Nate Doelling"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter
>
>my 79 F150 is chattering like a tambourine when
>accelerating at speeds above 60 mph! I have
>adjusted the timing, currently at 6 degrees, but
>it hasn't helped.

Yo Nate:

Sounds like pre-ignition pinging, as you mentioned in your second post. What is
the engine rpm when this occurs? Are you saying that you have 6 degrees BTDC
initial, w/ no vacuum connected to the vac advance canister?

Try reducing the vac advance sensitivity. Use a 1/8" Allen wrench in the vacuum
nipple. To determine the current setting, turn the screw all the way in
(clockwise) and count the turns. Then turn all the way out (counter clockwise)
until the screw threads disengage from the diaphragm and count the turns.
Compare the numbers for a ratio. Go back all the way in, and adjust the
diaphragm out (counter clockwise) from the original position, one turn at a
time. Test drive as you make each change.

>Is a re-built stock carb. on the 351M good
>enough for an engine with nearly 90K
>on it? Ever since I replaced the original with
>a Holley re-build, the exact same model,
>I have had the problems with poor
>low-end/reverse power with a cold to
>semi-warm engine.

I assume this is a Motorcraft 2150? I'd double-check their choke settings,
especially the pull-down gap, fast idle cam, and lean/rich adjustment. If
you're at a high altitude, you should be using the ALT. hole in the choke plate
lever.

Another easy adjustment you can experiment w/ is the accelerator pump. You can
adjust the acc pump discharge rate by moving the rod (on the left side of the
carb) to different holes in the acc pump lever on the throttle shaft (right
behind the throttle lever). Holes farther away from the throttle shaft (more
leverage) produce faster discharge from the acc pump. Also, double-check all
the acc pump linkage to make sure there's no slack (i.e., no throttle shaft
movement before the acc pump starts squirting). You can bend the rod to take
out the slack. The lever on the front of the carb should always be touching the
metal button on the acc pump.

>Am I starving the poor thing of fuel,
>and can that be a cause of my high-end
>pinging?

Maybe. If the choke is set correctly and the acc pump is working properly, look
into the mixture. Make sure the idle mixture screws aren't set too lean.
Emissions are actually lower if these are set slightly too rich than slightly
too lean.

What number are your primary jets? What number (if any) is the high-speed
pull-over tube (that dang brass tube that sticks down from the carb top cover
into the fuel bowl)?

Is your EGR system functional? If you disabled the EGR and your carb is
calibrated for EGR, you need to enrich the mixture (probably go to a higher
numbered primary jet).

Hope this helps.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:29:33 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

I wanna thank everyone for responding so quickly. I can now say I drove
the truck into work so I could send this message! Wow, the exhaust was
more than adequate for the 360, I don't think its gonna hold the 390 very
long ... it has one heck of a rumble to it now. I've only got about 40
miles on it right now, but hopefully in a day or two I can get that number
up and get the idle and everything set back down where its supposed to be
... so far so good though ... no funny noises (well the one of the wrench
fallin off the engine when it started, I knew I'd forget that one) ... the
thing is so smooth on the highway you'd never believe its the same truck.
Down low I'm havin problems still, but I think if I take the time to well
time it and everything it will be runnin like a scalded ape in no time.
Funny though, it somehow seems slower after driving my Mustang for a couple
of months ... Anyway I just wanted to send out a big THANK YOU to everyone
on the lists who has helped me out, I wouldn't have had any confidence in
the build if it hadn't been for you guys.

The oiling problem was just a matter of patience, got a real drill and the
right bit for it, and after a minute or so you could hear the oil movin
around in there, put the dizzy back in, try and start it ... nothin ... put
the dizzy in right this time .... vrrroooommm..... :)

Thanks again, see ya'll out there!


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:11:21 PDT
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 swap

Well Guys, awhile back I asked if anyone had swapped a 390 into a bronco.
Seems this would be a difficult swap,so my other option is to ask has anyone
done a 390 into 64 F-100 swap. If so what am I gonna run into and
what should I stay away from? Truck has a 6cyl. now (shot). Thanks for the
help if you have any

Barry


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:17:46 -0400
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - waxing

>I have a question that I hope someone can answer. When I bought
>my truck it had been sitting out in the elements for while. The paints
>still looks a like it is in good condition even though it looks a little
>flat and faded. My question is if I can just used regular wax to try and
>give the paint job some protection and shine or if I should use something
>special to keep from damaging the paint further. I pretty much want to
>avoid lifting off what paint is left. Can I just use regular terry cloths
>or should I use a softer material? Any suggestions?!?!?

Wax? I barely wash my truck let only put any wax on it! Isn't there some
kind of Ford Truck Owner's law against that sort of thing? :-)

Just my luck I'd go to wash my truck, slice my arm open on the rusted out
box sides and die from some horrible infection because I didn't have a
tetanus shot...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:57:25 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ad in the Denton, Texas classifieds

Hi, folks!

Here's the text of a classified ad that appeared in today's Denton (Texas)
Record-Chronicle:

1976 Ford F150 super cab, 390 auto, mag wheels, tinted, dual exhaust (work
horse). Call Bruce after 6 pm 940-482-3913.

Typical disclaimer: I have no affiliation with either the paper mentioned or
with the person who placed the ad, and will not be compensated for having
mentioned either.

(Still seeking the rear seat for my 1976 Ford F-250 SuperCab.)

With an ancient Ford relic in my heart,

Nancy Wright
1976 Ford F-250 SuperCab, 460, C-6
3 Arabian mares, 1 patient husband, 1 Pembroke Welsh corgi E;-P

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:03:31 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - small blocks for sale

i have some small block stuff for sale, 351 w performance parts and some 351
C suff
if anybody is interested let me know, i want to move the excess stuff so i
can put hte money in my car or truck.

thanks, jeff grant
jjjjjgrant aol.com
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:18:46 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Swap 400 to 460

In a message dated 5/19/99 9:55:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Chris.Brandt nike.com writes:


but the new boat and camper want a 460.
>>
Your compression ratio will allow the engine to run on 93 octane, but you
will not be able to work it much without a good octane additive (good
additives are hard to find). I ran a 1970 429 with 10.5:1 on 92-93 octane in
a car (4000 Lbs), had initial timing set at 10 degrees BTDC, with an
adjustable vacuum advance connected to manifold vacuum. Gave lots of advance
under no load, but reduced the spark advance quickly as engine started to
work. Trucks are 5000 Lbs plus and with your boat will probably push the
engine to the limit for 93 octane pump gas. The guy at the machine shop I
use said he burned holes in his pistons trying to pull a camp trailer from
here to Portland (fairly flat). He had a similar compression ratio on an
engine he built. There are some things you can do to reduce the tendency to
knock: (1. Run a 160 degree thermostat; (2. Jet the carburetor to run rich;
(3. Reduce timing (initial setting and possibly recurve the centrifugal
advance). However, all of these things have their own drawback, as they
affect the life and economy. In my opinion the best way is to keep the heads
you have and use pistons that have a dish in them such that you get
compression somewhere around 9.5:1. Then you can use 93 octane under some
load. You can run a lot of cam on the big engines, how much do you want,
good question, I pass??? A lot of people use L&L's mounts $110, that's
high. They also sell the bracket to raise the alternator for around $130,
and other brackets for a similarly steep price. They do appear to be well
engineered, however, and I think most people who buy their products are
satisfied. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 22:39:44 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!

>If you'd rather, you can also use the starter as Marko suggested.
>In addition to the disconnecting the coil, I'd pull the plugs
>out to reduce the load on the rod bearings.
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