61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 18 1999 Volume 03 : Number 167



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 429 and Lincoln rear discs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title
Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
FTE 61-79 - 351W saga
FTE 61-79 - missing title
FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap
FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?
Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter
Re: FTE 61-79 - fte 61-79 where's the fe info
Re: FTE 61-79 - missing title
Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title
Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?
FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
FTE 61-79 - 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap page
RE: FTE 61-79 - 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap page
Re: FTE 61-79 - fte 61-79 where's the fe info
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)
Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator
Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?
FTE 61-79 - 125 mph blast today
Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?
Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 07:40:01 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 and Lincoln rear discs

Hey gang,

These two ads were in the Waco Thrifty Nickel dated May 13th:

1987 Lincoln (5.0) 302 tune port fuel injection engine, automatic
overdrive. Also differential (disk brake) $675. Pete (254)623-4343.

Strong 1971 429 Ford motor. Complete with or without transmission. Price
negotiable. Ask for Danny at (254)829-2810

Hmmm. It seems like some list members have been looking for these items. I
have had my eye out, now returning it to its usual place of residence.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 06:05:17 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title

It varies from state to state. In Washington you have to have a signed,
notarized document from the previous title holder stating that the title was
lost & they are relinquishing their claim to the vehicle. Otherwise it takes
3 years to get the title.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Danger
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title


>William A Whited asked...
>
>> How hard is it to get a title from a vehicle that was
>> sold to you without it? TIA
>>
>
>If the vehicle isn't stolen and doesn't have any liens on it, you could
have
>the new title in 6 to 8 weeks.



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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)

Hell fellas I paid about $0.98 for gas the last time
I filled up my trucks and my 150gal fuel tank in the
back of my truck, sorry to sound mean but HA HA HA,
se ya,
Tex
1972 F250 4x4 custom (Mud Toy)
1972 F250 4x2 Sport Custom (the Beast)






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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:18:25 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey Danger,
>
> I don't think you'll have too much trouble swapping the diff parts....but, as
> you mentioned, the axles may be different....possibly in spline count (as is
> what happened in the swap I did). I would go ahead and at least get the
> limited slip unit....it may be a Dana Power Lok, pretty cool if it is. The
> one thing I'm not sure about is if 4:11's will fit on the 3:73 part....I know
> this is a big deal with the 44's, but I'm not sure about the 60's....looks
> like we need a little help from Ox here....
>

AFAIK, You can go to 4:10's with the 60 carriers if you had below that,
but not anything over 4:10's.

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)

> How do I get the gas into this truck? Sounds simple, but it's not!
>
> As I'm trying to fill 'er up, the pump nozzle
> keeps cutting out and a good splash of $1.13 a gallon goes onto the
> concrete.

Does your gas tank have any vent lines on it? If so, make sure they
aren't plugged or pinched. Those vapor-recovery hoses make a tight
seal against the filler neck, and if your tank doesn't vent correctly,
you get spillage. I had some repairs done on my old Ranger
(small version) that involved dropping the gas tank. When they put the
tank back on, they pinched the vent line. I had the very same fill-up
problems you're having until we fixed the vent.

- --sean
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:40:35 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)

In a message dated 05/17/1999 1:09:01 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
q2000 rocketmail.com writes:


I filled up my trucks and my 150gal fuel tank in the
back of my truck, sorry to sound mean but HA HA HA,
se ya,
Tex
1972 F250 4x4 custom (Mud Toy)
1972 F250 4x2 Sport Custom (the Beast)
>>
Oh that is SOOOOO not fair! *pout* LOL

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for Girls!~*~*
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:19:58 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351W saga

>>The plugs are AC 43TS, the same heat range as a BF32

It's a good thing Stu and Marko are gone to Pigeon Forge!!

- -John

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:33:15 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - missing title

>>William A Whited asked...

> How hard is it to get a title from a vehicle that was
> sold to you without it? TIA
>
Danger replied:
If the vehicle isn't stolen and doesn't have any liens on it, you could have
the new title in 6 to 8 weeks.

and now I add:

It dependes on the state where you will be trying to get the title and the
state where the truck came from. Simplifying the process, the state where
you are titling the truck will do a title search, looking for the last
owner of record and any lien holders. If you know where the truck was last
titled, it is good to have a search done there, also. Next you may have to
send some registered letters. If you know who was the last owner of record,
he can file for a lost title at the same time you apply to transfer and by
the time it all happens and makes it back to you, you have a title. I don't
think you can get a good title changed in 6 to 8 weeks in Texas. :-) All it
takes is a little money and a lot of time.

- -John

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 06:57:00 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)

Nancy asks:

Hey, guys on the list! I need some help!

How do I get the gas into this truck? Sounds simple, but it's not!


Nancy Wright
Denton, Texas
and Tillie, the 1976 F-250 SuperCab Ranger XLT, 460, C-6, gas hog, the envy
of my horsey-chick friends!

Lisa answers:



I kinda had the same problem a lil while back, except I couldn't even get
the
filler tube far enough into my gas tank and that sucked! What works for me
is
I use the nozzles with no rubber seal things on it, that allows the tube to
go in easily. Those rubber things are such a hassle! Also, I don't pull too
hard on the handle because, like in your case, the pump keeps cutting out
and
I gotta restart it. UGH! Good luck! Oh and BTW......DON'T complain about
payin $1.13 a gallon for gas......cheapest here in So. Cal is about $1.40 so

count your blessings! Especially when I wanna fill up the 20 gallon gas tank

in my '77 that gets about 9 mpg LOL! OUCH! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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My response:
Silly girls, trucks are for EVERYONE!
I too have a '76 supercab. Also had a '76 crewcab. Both had this filling
problem, even before the new evap recovery systems. Unfortunately the only
real fix costs money. Swap the bed. If you go to a 77.5 -79 bed you get
the recessed fillers behind flip up doors. This will remove one of the two
90 degree bends the gas has to take into the tank. If you know of a good
body shop they may be able to graft the doors into your existing bed. The
only other bandaid fix I can think of is to bring along a rubber hose to
slip over the end of the filler nozzle and get the gas further into the
filler. The first one I have tried and it works the second suggestion (the
hose) I was thinking of before the bed swap and did not try.

Tom H

"The early bird get the worm,
but the SECOND mouse gets the cheese."
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:12:17 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap

Danger,

I think what Norm is saying is correct. The one thing though, is that the
Dana 60-2 out of my 69 F-100 4x4 had the Power Lok, and 30 spline
semi-floating axles. This PL unit fit right into the 72 full-floating
housing, but I had to have custom axles made....

So, I can' t remember what year the new axle will coming from, but if the
spring perches are the same as yours, you might just be best off getting the
entire housing (if its cheap) and doing that way......

CJ
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:12:11 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?

I would first check the junkyards, I've seen a million of these in good
shape....

I think you can also get them from Autokrafters (800) 228 7346....

Good Luck, Filly,

CJ
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:17:15 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)

>Does your gas tank have any vent lines on it? If so, make sure they
>aren't plugged or pinched.

This is definitely something to check. On mine the hose was drooped lower
than the filler hose, so if some fuel splashed into it, the vent got
plugged and couldn't clear itself ... also see how much flat area you've
got on the hose, I think mine was sloped the wrong way a little bit, so it
would run back instead of into the tank ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:20:20 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1979 351M valve clatter

>Dazed and confused--- my 79 F150 is chattering like a tambourine when
>accelerating at speeds above 60 mph! I have adjusted the timing, currently
>at 6 degrees, but it hasn't helped. Anyone have any suggestions?
>
Are you sure its the valves clattering ? Check to see that you still have
oil pressure ... also is this a pinging sort of clatter, or is it possible
that the valve seats and such are so worn that the valves are making the
clattering noise ? Are they adjustable rocker arms ? Might check to be
sure you don't have bent pushrods or something ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:21:55 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fte 61-79 where's the fe info

>and was VERY pleased. It's a lil over 400 ponies. 401 c.i. 750 Holley
>vaccum secondaries, Edlebrock Perfprmer RPM "dual plane" intake, just a lil
>head work done.adjustable rockers, valve job, a lil porting & poilishing.
>Put a lunati cam in, duration .050 is 230 gross dur is 292 gross lift is
>.554 lope separation is 109. It has a healthy lope to it. Forged pistons
>9.5 compression. MSD billet distributer, MSD 6A box, MSD Blaster coil with
>MSD 8.5 plug wires to go with. Headmen Headers followed with 3" exhaust
>(Flowmasters). If you have any questions let me know, I did a lot of
>researching before I built the motor.
>
>
>
Did you need that much carburetor ? I'm doing a 390 buildup as well, and
plan on just running the 600 that I have from the 360 ... also what fuel
are you running ? premium 93, or can you run 90 without too much trouble ?


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:20:03 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - missing title

John LaGrone wrote:

> >>William A Whited asked...
>
> > How hard is it to get a title from a vehicle that was
> > sold to you without it? TIA
> >
> Danger replied:
> If the vehicle isn't stolen and doesn't have any liens on it, you could have
> the new title in 6 to 8 weeks.
>
> and now I add:
>
> It dependes on the state where you will be trying to get the title and the
> state where the truck came from. Simplifying the process, the state where
> you are titling the truck will do a title search, looking for the last
> owner of record and any lien holders. If you know where the truck was last
> titled, it is good to have a search done there, also. Next you may have to
> send some registered letters. If you know who was the last owner of record,
> he can file for a lost title at the same time you apply to transfer and by
> the time it all happens and makes it back to you, you have a title. I don't
> think you can get a good title changed in 6 to 8 weeks in Texas. :-) All it
> takes is a little money and a lot of time.
>
> -John

Well that sounds great!?!? I'm here at Guantanamo Bay Cuba now, and I have a
"Bill of Sale" from the guy that sold it to me via a Power of Attorney from a
guy who got in trouble and kinda had the Navy kick him off the island. I'm
going to El Paso from here, and I'm from VA. John do you think Texas would let
me start the process now? I have to be in El Paso Aug 30, and I have to have
the truck shipped by barge. Hopefully they will let me start on it, if so can
you maybe get me a phone number to call or an address to start to pled my case
with them. Any help is GREATLY appreciated.
- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:40:43 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title

William

In texas it'll cost you 10.00 at the dps to apply for a lost title. Need
plate number or vin. Then you'll need owner listed on it to release it. If
it has a lend on it the loaner might release it depanding on the situation.
If it's a slavage title then that another route. But can be done.

Larry


At 11:37 PM 5/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
>How hard is it to get a title from a vehicle that was
>sold to you without it? TIA
>
>--
>William A Whited
>74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
>77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
>79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
>"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"
>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 09:49:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)

One Good Reason to live in the Midwest, Another is we
have plenty of mud for "The Beast" and my "Mud Toy"
to play in.
Tex

>
time
> I filled up my trucks and my 150gal fuel tank in the
> back of my truck, sorry to sound mean but HA HA HA,
> se ya,
> Tex
> 1972 F250 4x4 custom (Mud Toy)
> 1972 F250 4x2 Sport Custom (the Beast)
> >>
> Oh that is SOOOOO not fair! *pout* LOL
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys...trucks are for Girls!~*~*
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 10:39:19 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?

I am gathering the parts to put power steering onto my 73 F100 2wd 4spd.
The donor is a 72 F100 2wd auto. I would like to make the auto column look
like my 4spd column. I've been into a few columns, but not that far down.
Can the collar be taken off the manual column and put onto the auto column,
so it would appear original? Have any of you done this? Is it very
difficult, or am I better off finding a column from a 4sp? I would like to
make this one work (without "riggin" it) because it's local and I'm getting
a good deal on the parts. Do you for-see any problems with the donor that
I've chosen? Everything should bolt up correctly, right?

Thank you for your help.

Marty Colman


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:01:50 +0100
From: "Peters, Gary (G.R.)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

Hi gang! :-) Just dropping in for a few days (depending on list traffic)
As some of you know I managed to get to Pigeon Forge this year and you can
bet it will be on top of my priority list from now on! :-) What a
GASSSSSSS!

Remember the RABS discussions we've seen in the past? Well I drove my
daughter's 97 F-150, 4x4 down there and it was nice except for one
thing.......RABS means NRBS in the rain and the front end locks up and
pushes like crazy #$%^# #^%. It made a believer out of me for sure and
there will be no ABS of any kind on any vehicle I buy in the future for
sure. My bronco with wide tires would have done better in that situation!
:-( I guess if I were to make a recommendation based on that experience I
would say either get 4 wheel ABS or No ABS.

Anyway I sure enjoyed that trip and even my wife said she will go with me
any time to events like this as long as I allow some shopping time :-)
Don't let your wife go to Cracker Barrel! (unless you have reserve cash
saved up for it) You will need a bull dozer to get her back out of there!
:-)

If you are ever in the Forge and have some cash for a nice meal, try the Old
Mill. It was wonderfull :-)

Hey Don, if I can get a van with Tommy lift next year we can all stay at one
of the smaller hotels, rent all the rooms and have our own BBQ in the
parking lot next year. Maybe the GA Low riders and us could get together on
a deal like that eh?

Let me know when you can get loose this summer and I'll meet up with you and
we can case the joints for a good setup :-)

- --
Michigan, Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco, Gary
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 11:09:53 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?


- --

On Mon, 17 May 1999 10:39:19 MARTY COLMAN wrote:
- ------snip-------
>Can the collar be taken off the manual column and put onto the auto column,
>so it would appear original? Have any of you done this? Is it very
>difficult, or am I better off finding a column from a 4sp? I would like to
>make this one work (without "riggin" it) because it's local and I'm getting
>a good deal on the parts. Do you for-see any problems with the donor that
>I've chosen? Everything should bolt up correctly, right?
>
>Thank you for your help.
>
>Marty Colman
>
I also have a question related to this. I have a manual steering column in my '65 F100 2wd 4sp manual. I also have a power steering column. Now for the question. Can I take the center shaft from the p/s one and put it in the manual column? Will they interchange?

Terry


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:19:59 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

>Remember the RABS discussions we've seen in the past? Well I drove my
>daughter's 97 F-150, 4x4 down there and it was nice except for one
>thing.......RABS means NRBS in the rain and the front end locks up and
>pushes like crazy #$%^# #^%. It made a believer out of me for sure and
>there will be no ABS of any kind on any vehicle I buy in the future for
>sure. My bronco with wide tires would have done better in that situation!
>:-( I guess if I were to make a recommendation based on that experience I
>would say either get 4 wheel ABS or No ABS.
>
Cast my vote in for NO ABS. I have a 96 GT that has it, and I can't stand
it. I just missed hitting a fence post one day when the abs wouldn't put
the brakes on at all! It was rainy and I turned into a driveway a little
too quick. The driveway was a mud/gravel (more mud than gravel
unfortunately) drive, so as soon as I realized that I was going to fast I
hit the brakes to let the rears do their job while they were still on
pavement. The ABS sensed lockup on the fronts and refused to put any of
them on, I finally somehow slid to a stop within a couple feet of a nearby
fence. Note, you can't turn or stop on mud with no brakes. I also
autocross locally ... yesterday the abs was drivin me nuts, I'd get into a
corner and try to just tap the brakes for a momentary slow down to change
the vehicles position a little bit, wham wham wham, the brakes would start
shuddering. Not enough to throw my balance off, but not helping me change
the way I wanted to either ... really annoying. I'm gonna find that fuse
one of these days. The only thing that I have liked it on was dry pavement
when someone pulled in front of me, in that case it kept my tires from
flatspotting, so one time in about 6 its been a good thing, not enough
reason to get them for me.

Sorry if this seemed like a long rant, but I want everyone to know what
they're getting into with the ABS systems.... I always said I didn't like
it based on principles, now I KNOW I don't like it ...






Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:13:55 -0700
From: jefro netscape.com (Jeffrey Osier-Mixon)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

Wow, sounds like Ford has missed the boat on ABS.

I wouldn't knock it yet. I had an Acura Integra for years that had ABS and it
got me out of more than one goof in the rain, and my wife's Saturn (no GM
jokes, please) has ABS and traction control that I put through its paces when
we bought it. I wouldn't feel comfortable with her driving the baby around in
anything else. ABS has been around for a long, long time; it has been a
standby in aviation brakes for decades.

It sounds to me like Ford has a crappy implementation of great technology.
Anyone know a good aftermarket provider?


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 14:48:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

>I wouldn't knock it yet. I had an Acura Integra for years that had ABS and it
>got me out of more than one goof in the rain, and my wife's Saturn (no GM
>jokes, please) has ABS and traction control that I put through its paces when
>we bought it. I wouldn't feel comfortable with her driving the baby around in
>anything else. ABS has been around for a long, long time; it has been a
>standby in aviation brakes for decades.
>
>It sounds to me like Ford has a crappy implementation of great technology.
>Anyone know a good aftermarket provider?
>
Its also possible that I am just a bit more agressive than the "average"
driver. I guess by saying I autocross I'm admitting that my problems have been
on the performance side of things. As for traction control, don't even get me
started on that ... a guy with a saturn swore that the traction control on his
car would blow away the all wheel drive on our Tempo, and that it would give my
4x4 truck a good run for its money .... The tempo is one of those 4x4's that
you can floor with it in 4 and it won't spin the tires, just take off, no
traction control, just lots of traction and kind of a wimpy motor ... I don't
see how leaning out the mixture and shifting goofy will beat plain old traction
.... Here's a quote from Car and Driver about the new traction control on the
Mustang Cobra :

The neat part about the Cobra's traction control is that it has a so-called
power-start feature that allows the driver to make wheelspin starts as long as
both front wheels are spinning at the same rate. That's how it knows the car is
going straight-ahead.

Great, so no more power slides I guess ... anyway it just seems to me that
people who buy this autta know what they're doing with this car and not need
the traction control ... but what do I know, I'm just a goofy kid from the
mid-west, I guess growin up with snow and a 5.0 will teach you a thing or two
about drivin without traction control.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:21:44 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap page

Hey All--

I actually did something relatively on time for a change--- For those of
you interested in the 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap-- I put a quick page
together--

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/radiator/

Any questions, feel free to e-mail me!

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:45:32 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap page

Great Info Tony, Thanks. When I went to purchase a new radiator last
year, the standard replacement was a wimpy little two core piece. With
the long head on the 300 you really need a beefy radiator.

Thanks
Eric
89 F150 L6 4x4

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Tony Marino [SMTP:tony pscico.com]
> Sent:Monday, May 17, 1999 1:22 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Cc:bruce9 flash.net; DaHende3 VT.Edu
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap page
>
> Hey All--
>
> I actually did something relatively on time for a change--- For those
> of
> you interested in the 300-I-6 to 400M Radiator swap-- I put a quick
> page
> together--
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/radiator/
>
> Any questions, feel free to e-mail me!
>
> Tony
> tony pscico.com
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 13:49:47 -0700
From: jefro netscape.com (Jeffrey Osier-Mixon)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - fte 61-79 where's the fe info

Out of curiosity, any idea how much all that cost? I probably have at least a
year before I do one, but it'd be good to know what I'm getting into from the
start...

Neil Johnson wrote:

> To give you an idea of what you can do to a 390, I just dropped mine in
> and was VERY pleased. It's a lil over 400 ponies. 401 c.i. 750 Holley
> vaccum secondaries, Edlebrock Perfprmer RPM "dual plane" intake, just a lil
> head work done.adjustable rockers, valve job, a lil porting & poilishing.
> Put a lunati cam in, duration .050 is 230 gross dur is 292 gross lift is
> .554 lope separation is 109. It has a healthy lope to it. Forged pistons
> 9.5 compression. MSD billet distributer, MSD 6A box, MSD Blaster coil with
> MSD 8.5 plug wires to go with. Headmen Headers followed with 3" exhaust
> (Flowmasters). If you have any questions let me know, I did a lot of
> researching before I built the motor.
>
> Big Red
> 72 Ford F-100 390
>
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:41:26 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

>Wow, sounds like Ford has missed the
>boat on ABS.
>
>I wouldn't knock it yet. I had an Acura Integra
>for years that had ABS and it got me out of
>more than one goof in the rain,

Yo Jefro & Wish:

Almost all the major automobile manufacturers (including Japanese and European)
have been sued over the last few years because of catastrophic ABS failures.
The worst scenario is complete brake system failure when the vehicle goes into a
slide. This is a major flaw in ABS system design. When the computer detects
some wheels slowing down to a near stop (like when tires go lateral in a slide),
it releases the brakes on those wheels and now you have the not only bad
situation of a slide, but screwy brake behavior to exacerbate the problem.

I think it's telling that most race sanctioning organizations have banished ABS,
even while almost every other aspect of the vehicle (everything else in the
drivetrain, engines, trannies, etc.) is becoming more and more electronically
controlled.

>ABS has been around for a long, long time;
>it has been a standby in aviation brakes
>for decades.

Aircraft are not designed to be operated extensively on roads. 99.9% of all
aircraft braking takes place in a straight line, on a nearly ideal "road"
surface. Aircraft do not go careening around corners (under any conditions) at
speeds in excess of 30 mph. The successful application of a technology to the
specialized needs of aircraft does not necessarily translate to a good system
for automotive applications.

>It sounds to me like Ford has a crappy
>implementation of great technology.

Like I said, all the major manufacturers are struggling w/ this. Several
companies are now working on next-generation ABS that will use accelerometers or
some other device to measure lateral g-forces to determine that the car is in a
slide before "deciding" to disable the brakes.

Me? I'd rather take the $500-1K that ABS adds to the price of a new car and use
that money to pay the tuition for a good driving class at Bondurant or someplace
and learn how to drive the car and handle it under adverse conditions rather
than rely on a computer w/ questionable logic to make those decisions for me.
FTE content? My F250 allows me to decide when and how to use the brakes.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:05:42 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

It's also worth noting that over 2 years ago a study showed that ABS brake
systems actually caused more fatalities than they prevented:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cs.umass.edu/~ehaugsja/tech/anti-lock.html

My truck is big enough that I don't worry too much about stopping on a
dime...I let the other cars worry... ;-)

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Resch
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)



>Almost all the major automobile manufacturers (including Japanese and
European)
>have been sued over the last few years because of catastrophic ABS
failures.
>The worst scenario is complete brake system failure when the vehicle goes
into a
>slide. This is a major flaw in ABS system design. When the computer
detects
>some wheels slowing down to a near stop (like when tires go lateral in a
slide),
>it releases the brakes on those wheels and now you have the not only bad
>situation of a slide, but screwy brake behavior to exacerbate the problem.
>




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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:36:18 -0400
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)

>Apparently, the new gas pumps are set up for a different filler tube
>diameter -- or something. As I'm trying to fill 'er up, the pump nozzle
>keeps cutting out and a good splash of $1.13 a gallon goes onto the
>concrete.

Isn't the diameter difference from when pumps were switched over from
unleaded to leaded gasoline or something like that? The smaller diameter
holes would keep you from putting unleaded gasoline into a leaded engine or
vice versa. A few inches into the filler tube is a smaller hole with a
spring-loaded door over it that the smaller nozzle pushes open.

You can take a screwdriver and knock out the inside piece that has the
smaller hole, wrench the crap out of it and remove it completely leaving
you with just the great big filler tube. With no chance of accidentally
putting leaded gas into your unleaded engine, you don't need the thing in
there.

That's what I love about having a truck with a box on it - PS1 had a
flatbed and because of a bad angle on the filler tube, you couldn't fill
the tank at full speed. If you opened the pump right up it would keep
stopping and instead could only half squeeze the handle on the pump. I felt
really bad shortly after I got the truck the poor kid at the full serve had
to fight with it in the middle of a blizzard. :-)


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:49:14 -0700
From: jefro netscape.com (Jeffrey Osier-Mixon)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Well....I'll try it for a while :-)

> I think it's telling that most race sanctioning organizations have banished ABS,
> even while almost every other aspect of the vehicle (everything else in the
> drivetrain, engines, trannies, etc.) is becoming more and more electronically
> controlled.
> ...
> Aircraft are not designed to be operated extensively on roads. 99.9% of all
> aircraft braking takes place in a straight line, on a nearly ideal "road"
> surface. Aircraft do not go careening around corners (under any conditions) at
> speeds in excess of 30 mph. The successful application of a technology to the
> specialized needs of aircraft does not necessarily translate to a good system
> for automotive applications.

Excellent points. Sounds like I need to do more homework...


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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 19:22:55 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)

Wow. thats 1000 lbs just sloshing around in the back..... doesn't sound
safe...

Mike in Burien

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:59:55 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 radiator

Well, ive been slowly putting me engine togethor at work durring my free
time, at lunch and an hour after work, and im about done, so ive got a
question. The radiator that came in my truck with a huge, and i mean huge
radiator, 4 core im guessing, havent looked, but its big, and that causes a
problem. Im wanting to run a electric fan, but the water pump is so close
to the radiator that i cant fit ANY electric fan I have found in-between.
With the fan its running (alluminum flex fan), there is probally 1" or less
space between it and the radiator, so its a pain to take off. Here whats I
was thinking. I have a friend that wrecked his F150 (used to be my truck,
*sigh*). It had a BRAND new radiator that I put in about a year before I
sold it, and was wondering if i can use it, its the stock size radiator, it
had a 302. I know this radiator is alot smaller, but his dad has a '78
F250 crew cab with a 460, air & a gooseneck and runs that radiator with no
problems, do you all think I will have the same luck if I did the
change..?? Before I took the engine out it was never running above 200F,
even on hot summer days...


cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460





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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:47:43 -0400
From: "Phil"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - auto column to manual?

>I am gathering the parts to put power steering onto my 73 F100 2wd 4spd.
>The donor is a 72 F100 2wd auto. I would like to make the auto column look
>like my 4spd column. I've been into a few columns, but not that far down.
>Can the collar be taken off the manual column and put onto the auto column,


I recently rebuilt the column on my 66, it was a 3 speed column shift that i
converted to an auto on the floor. i removed the old shifter and collar and
replaced it with the 4 speed collar, bolted right on.

Phil Beattie
66 F-100 390 C6
79 F250 4x4 400 C6

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 00:53:53 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 125 mph blast today

just couldn't wait to tell everyone, a friend has a COBRA replica, with a
SVO 302 roller motor and t5 5 speed, we went for a ride today, he turned it
loose on one of the roads behind the atlanta motor speedway, i saw the speedo
bump 125 mph, man what a ride, i could not imagine how much power the cobras
had with the 427. the same guy had a pantera once with a 351c i saw 140mph
in it once.

FTE content, i'm supposed to make my grandmother an offer on my
grandfathers trucks, one is a 78 f150 2wd swb, 302, at, ps, pdb, ac, has
98000 miles on it, it needs paint, but its straight as an arrow, its always
had a bed cover on it, since new, so the bed is real nice, its been sitting
for about 5 years, needs tires, belts, hoses etc, i have not tried to crank
it yet, i plan to put oil in the cylinders, i hope the tranny is ok. the
other is a 78 f150 4x4,swb, 351m, at, ps,pdb,ac,tilt, 102,000 miles, still
runs and drives excellent, ac works, paint is presentable, the trouble is the
front end needs some work, it drives but the 4x4 is not working, years ago
the need bearing inside the hub seized up, i havent been into it yet, this is
just what my grandmother remembers happened to it. my thoughts are to get the
2wd in running cond, and sell it and hope to get enough to pay for both and
keep the 4x4.
ok list i need help, if this was your grandmother what kind of offer would
you make on both trucks? none of the other family members has an interest in
ford trucks. they just think they're old trucks.

thanks, jeff grant
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