61-79-list-digest Monday, May 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 166



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W Saga
Re: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap
FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)
FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)
Re: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?
FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage
FTE 61-79 - Missing Title
FTE 61-79 - Pop Quiz on differentials
Re: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:41:17 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap

Hey Danger,

I don't think you'll have too much trouble swapping the diff parts....but, as
you mentioned, the axles may be different....possibly in spline count (as is
what happened in the swap I did). I would go ahead and at least get the
limited slip unit....it may be a Dana Power Lok, pretty cool if it is. The
one thing I'm not sure about is if 4:11's will fit on the 3:73 part....I know
this is a big deal with the 44's, but I'm not sure about the 60's....looks
like we need a little help from Ox here....

CJ
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:53:33 -0500
From: "Norm"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 swap

>Hey Danger,
>
>I don't think you'll have too much trouble swapping the diff parts....but,
as
>you mentioned, the axles may be different....possibly in spline count (as
is
>what happened in the swap I did). I would go ahead and at least get the
>limited slip unit....it may be a Dana Power Lok, pretty cool if it is. The
>one thing I'm not sure about is if 4:11's will fit on the 3:73 part....I
know
>this is a big deal with the 44's, but I'm not sure about the 60's....looks
>like we need a little help from Ox here....


Danger...The 4.10 gears will fit on the 3.73 carriers....no problem....but
the 72 axle is if i remember correctly a course spline (19)axle shaft...And
the latter model stuff is 30 spline! The 72 axle shafts are also differant
lengths....(shorter) So if ya snap up that limmited lip you will probably
have to change the side gears in it...if it is a trak-lok this is no big
deal as even new the gears are not to pricey....but if it is a power-lok the
gears are considerably more expensive and harder to find! Hope this helps!

Norm

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 09:10:40 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W Saga

>
> The OEM Holleys use a two-stage power valve, that although may be good
> for emissions, is not really good for performance. These power valves
> start to kick in at 10.5 - 12.5" depending on which one you have. They
> are all the way in at 5.0 - 5.5". Also, as you've mentioned a little
> further down in the posting, an 85 powervalve would be a good choice.
> Holley secondary carbs (non-emission) come that way new. One other
> thing, since this is an emiisions Holley, they are meetered very lean.
> Holley uses it's "close limits" jets in these emission carbs. The
> primary jet is probably a number 612, a number 61 jet size. For point of
> comparason, the 1850 holley Universal 600 cfm carb, has a number 66 main
> jet size. You might want to jet up the primary side a little, since I'm
> sure it is pretty lean. I hope some of htis helps.

It is a "612" jet. I thought that likely meant "61" but wasn't sure.
It doesn't seem to lay down in the mid range cruise, and it does OK at
65 mph. The plugs are AC 43TS, the same heat range as a BF32, cold.
They don't seem to be running hot at all. But I agree with you, 61 is
too lean. I'm inclined to go with a 69 or 70, and the 85 power valve.
I know that it would tolerate 10d initial, and might even take the
manifold vacuam port advance again. The economy would be all right
because of the advance, I'm sure of it. I just have to convince my
brother-in-law to try it.
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 08:51:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?

I made a sheet metal gloove box liner for my '72, I
have a buddy with a '77, I could use his cardboard
gloove box liner as a template and make you a liner
for the price of the metal and the shipping and
handling. If you are interested contact me.
Tex





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> Hey y'all! What's up? I need a glove box liner for
my '77 Ford. Anyone know
> where I can snag one? The one I have in there now
is carboard and it's all
> ripped so all my stuff falls into other parts of
the dash! EEK! Y'all
> wouldn't believe some of the old stuff I found in
there from the previous
> owner when I cleaned it out. So please write back
if ya know where I can get
> one and how much it will cost! Thanks y'all!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS!!!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:01:58 EDT
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap

The rear end gears will swap as far as I know. They will be the coarse
spline count for axels (1977ish & up have fine spline axels). You can swap
the pinion,carrier, & Carrier gears....but I would not. I know how to setup
gears, but have only done front gear sets. I have only done front because
they are used "once in a while", and I am not that confident that I'll do it
right. In My Honest Opionion I would see if the axels shafts are the same.
If they are I would swap the entire axel assembly. Thats how I would do
it.....but thats just me. If you have any more Questions....just ask!!!
Wayne Grabley 1979 F-350 4x4 & 1979 Bronco Ranger XLT.
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:14:27 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap

I'm with Wayne on this one. Setting up gears in a Dana is a "black art" like
head porting. I've seen professional mechanics screw up multiple sets of
bearings, pressing them on & off to install the shims, and they aren't
cheap. You have to have at least an arbor press and allot of patience &
luck. I'll do just about anything on a vehicle but setting up gears scares
me!

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 10:03 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap


>The rear end gears will swap as far as I know. They will be the coarse
>spline count for axels (1977ish & up have fine spline axels). You can swap
>the pinion,carrier, & Carrier gears....but I would not. I know how to
setup
>gears, but have only done front gear sets. I have only done front because
>they are used "once in a while", and I am not that confident that I'll do
it
>right. In My Honest Opionion I would see if the axels shafts are the same.
>If they are I would swap the entire axel assembly. Thats how I would do
>it.....but thats just me. If you have any more Questions....just ask!!!



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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 13:53:44 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Dana 60 swap

Earlier, Wayne Grabley wrote...
>
>In My Honest Opionion I would see if the axels shafts are the same.
> If they are I would swap the entire axel assembly. Thats how I would do
> it.....but thats just me. If you have any more Questions....just ask!!!
> 1979 F-350 4x4 & 1979 Bronco Ranger XLT.
>
..................

Yes, I would rather have grabbed the enire assembly, but the scrapyard
doesn't allow torches or power tools, and I didn't feel like removing the
entire unit with hand tools. If I had things my way I would have bought the
entire truck, placed it on a trailer without sides, then striped it down
with power tools (keeping axle assembly intact).

The first thing I did when I got to the scrapyard was to look for the
missing drivers side axle. I found one laying on the ground about 5 trucks
away, which fit quite nicely. After inserting it into place, I rotated the
axle by hand (no driveline) and watched the passenger side hub rotate in the
same dirrection. The differential came out quite easily after a few 'side to
side' thumps of a rubber deadblow hammer.

I'm in no hurry to install this limited slip, because I don't know how
to do it myself and can't afford to buy the tools or pay for a shop to do it
(at the present time). I think I'll keep searching the scrapyards for a more
aggresive differential in the meantime. Hopefully with luck I'll have the
differential I really want before winter.


Danger
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 15:04:30 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How do I feed this thing? ;-)

Hey, guys on the list! I need some help!

How do I get the gas into this truck? Sounds simple, but it's not!

Apparently, the new gas pumps are set up for a different filler tube
diameter -- or something. As I'm trying to fill 'er up, the pump nozzle
keeps cutting out and a good splash of $1.13 a gallon goes onto the
concrete.

At some gas stations, I can angle the nozzle at 45 degrees sideways and get
the gas to go in S-L-O-W-L-Y, but there is still a constant trail of gas
down the fender. Increase the flow, and the pump quits and I get
upchucked gas on my shoes.

Yes, this is on both the main and the aux tanks -- worse on the main. And,
since I'm feeding a 460 here, I get *plenty* of opportunity to refine my gas
pumping skills. You'd think I'd catch on, wouldn't you?

Thanks in advance for any help or advice.

Still looking for the rear seat -- not the jump seat -- for my truck!

With an ancient Ford relic in my heart,

Nancy Wright
Denton, Texas
and Tillie, the 1976 F-250 SuperCab Ranger XLT, 460, C-6, gas hog, the envy
of my horsey-chick friends!

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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:09:32 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - This is how ya feed that thing! =)


How do I get the gas into this truck? Sounds simple, but it's not!
Apparently, the new gas pumps are set up for a different filler tube
diameter -- or something. As I'm trying to fill 'er up, the pump nozzle
keeps cutting out and a good splash of $1.13 a gallon goes onto the
concrete.>>

I kinda had the same problem a lil while back, except I couldn't even get the
filler tube far enough into my gas tank and that sucked! What works for me is
I use the nozzles with no rubber seal things on it, that allows the tube to
go in easily. Those rubber things are such a hassle! Also, I don't pull too
hard on the handle because, like in your case, the pump keeps cutting out and
I gotta restart it. UGH! Good luck! Oh and BTW......DON'T complain about
payin $1.13 a gallon for gas......cheapest here in So. Cal is about $1.40 so
count your blessings! Especially when I wanna fill up the 20 gallon gas tank
in my '77 that gets about 9 mpg LOL! OUCH! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 16:45:34 -0500
From: "Freewheel"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?

Auto Krafters http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.auto krafters. com lists a replacement one for your
model truck for about $22.

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Sent: Saturday, May 15, 1999 5:43 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - GLOVE BOX LINER?


> Hey y'all! What's up? I need a glove box liner for my '77 Ford. Anyone
know
> where I can snag one? The one I have in there now is carboard and it's all
> ripped so all my stuff falls into other parts of the dash! EEK! Y'all
> wouldn't believe some of the old stuff I found in there from the previous
> owner when I cleaned it out. So please write back if ya know where I can
get
> one and how much it will cost! Thanks y'all!
>
> *~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
> *~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS!!!~*~*
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:01:00 PDT
From: "jason merritt"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage

I am new to the list and I have a question concerning my 1970 F-100 with a
390 and a C4 transmision. My problem is when my shifting lever is in park
the arm at the base of the steering column moves about 2 inches. Because of
this problem the truck will not go into park. I was wondering if anybody
knew how to fix this problem? I have the whole column out of the truck and I
would rather not go to a floor shifter.


Thanks, Jason

1970 F-100 390
1995 T-Bird 4.6


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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 20:32:28 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage

Earlier, Jason wrote...

> My problem is when my shifting lever is in park
> the arm at the base of the steering column moves about 2 inches. Because
of
> this problem the truck will not go into park>
>
............

I have a 69 with auto trans that had a similar problem. The housing was
broken where the arm attached. It seemed easier to replace the entire column
as an assembly (salvage yard $20), so that's what I did. Even though the
problem has been fixed, I still look for steering columns on automatics in
order to obtain a spare.


Danger
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:00:37 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column transmission linkage

Doh!... I must be getting tired. I was thinking of the arm at the upper end
of the column when I responded earlier. If I remember correctly there is an
adjustment in the linkage to the trans that might solve the problem.

> > My problem is when my shifting lever is in park
> > the arm at the base of the steering column moves about 2 inches. Because
> of
> > this problem the truck will not go into park>
> >
> ............
>
> I have a 69 with auto trans that had a similar problem. The housing was
> broken where the arm attached. It seemed easier to replace the entire
column
> as an assembly (salvage yard $20), so that's what I did. Even though the
> problem has been fixed, I still look for steering columns on automatics in
> order to obtain a spare.
>
> Danger
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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:37:45 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Missing Title

How hard is it to get a title from a vehicle that was
sold to you without it? TIA

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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 21:41:51 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pop Quiz on differentials

The "Hayes" service manual (73 to 79, page 170) and the "Chilton" (65 to 86,
page 325) both show similar views of Dana rear differentials. They don't
mention traction lock, power lock, or Posi, they just say "model #60 (or
#61) 2 pinion with limited slip" and "Model #70 2 piece case with limited
slip".

Can somebody please explain?


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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