61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 162



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Where's the FE info?
FTE 61-79 - C-6 valve body
FTE 61-79 - 428 from 390 / 105 blocks
FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...
Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?
FTE 61-79 - Free 351M heads in SE WA
Re: FTE 61-79 - Diff in 4V & 2V pistons

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:49:05 -0500
From: "Brett L. Habben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Where's the FE info?

Howdy,
I'm a new subcriber looking for advice to improve the 390 in a pickup I
just bought for $150. It's a '75 F100 Supercab longbed, 390 2v, C6.
It's a ranch truck and been worked hard, but still has a lot of life left
in her. On the plus side the C6 and 9" rear have both been
professionally overhauled in the last 5000 miles.
Anyway, the last time I jacked around with an FE was 25 years ago; a '74
F100 4x4 with a terminally anemic 360 2v. Tried the normal hot rod
stuff; Holley 4v, dist. recurve, dual exhausts, etc. but still not good
enough. Toyed with idea of a 390 crank-rod-piston swap (even the 428
crank/410 idea). Got lucky and stumbled upon a clean low mile '70 390 4V
and swapped her out. MUCHO better. More power and I could swear it even
got better mileage.
Well, what cool new stuff has transpired since then that I could try on
my 'new' 390? I would imagine that this horse has already been flogged
to death and if any of you could be so kind as to point me to the FE FAQ
or approximate date and location of the FE archive to look at I would
truly be in your debt. I have some pretty good ideas how to get more
power out of her but would really appreciate anything to get her to go
past a gas station without exhibiting the DT's and forcing me to give her
another gasoline fix. Economy was never the FE's forte and there's
plenty of room for improvement.
Thanks for any info,
Newbie Brett
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:04:20 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-6 valve body

The only pitfall I can warn you about is to make sure you use the separater
plate that belongs with the valve body you are going to be using. Don't mix
and match. I found this out the hard way. There are subtle differences in
these plates. Also try to use a valve body from the same year trans as well.
I tried to use a separater plate from a '70 in my '69 which left me without
reverse and high. I later found out when I compared the plates for a second
time there were three small holes in one plate that weren't in the other.
Upon futher examination I also found subtle differences in the valve body
itself. In other words make sure they are identical. If you don't mind me
asking, why are you changing valve bodies. Is there a problem with your
trans that has led you to believe the valve body is at fault? Hope this
helps. Steve Salas



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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 20:37:34 -0700
From: "Steven Salas"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428 from 390 / 105 blocks

I don't know if all the 105 blocks will make the .080 overbore for the 428
but the one I am currently using did. I did have it sonic checked beforehand
though and the test is relatively inexpensive. It was only $35 for the sonic
test. The first block I had tested ( a 391 FT block) would not have made it
however. I would think that most of the 105 blocks would make this bore size
but I would spend the money for the test to be sure. I don't know of any
352/390 blocks that will make the 427 bore size as I was under the
inpression that these blocks (427) were special castings in themselves. If
someone knows otherwise I would love to know which ones can make this bore
size (4.230). As far as 428 blocks go ( please don't flame me for saying
this guys ) I would leave these to the people restoring factory 428 equipped
cars, the 105 blocks are much more plentiful and less expensive too, not to
mention that a fair amount of the 428 blocks are no good beyond a .030
overbore anyways (same problem the cyl. walls become too thin).
Steve Salas



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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:30:55 -0700
From: "T. Neasham"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...

Okay guys, I've been fighting with this "problem" for a while now, and
I'm ready to ask for help. I've got a '74 F-250 w/ 360. I did the
Duraspark change over, and added the adapter and large cap. Now, when I
go to the local "Bend-you-over-the counter" parts house, what do I tell
them I want wires for? '74 360? No, I get the wrong wires (Male vs
Female) I tried a '76 360 (figuring it's already electronic.) Nope,
same problem (the '76 had the small cap, same problem as before.) I,
just for sh!ts and giggles, told them an '80 400. They worked, but on
wire has a "funky" spark plug boot.

So, what motor do I tell them I have so I get the right wires?

Also, I know this is a highly subjective question, but what are the best
plug wires to get?

Thanks in advance.

Tim Neasham
'74 & '76 F-250
Benton City, Wa.

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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 15:11:18 -0500
From: "Corey Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?

what os all this 2V and 4V I keep seeing?

Oh and thanks for the input....


William S Hart wrote:

> Yup, did this on a 360 (same motor essentially). Whaddya need to know ?
> I've got an egr manifold (4V) but no plate for it :( if anyone wants/can
> use it lemme know ...
>
>
> wish
>
> Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
> '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
> '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:46:01 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...

T. Neasham wrote:
>
> Okay guys, I've been fighting with this "problem" for a while now, and
> I'm ready to ask for help. I've got a '74 F-250 w/ 360. I did the
> Duraspark change over, and added the adapter and large cap. Now, when I
> go to the local "Bend-you-over-the counter" parts house, what do I tell
> them I want wires for? '74 360? No, I get the wrong wires (Male vs
> Female) I tried a '76 360 (figuring it's already electronic.) Nope,
> same problem (the '76 had the small cap, same problem as before.) I,
> just for sh!ts and giggles, told them an '80 400. They worked, but on
> wire has a "funky" spark plug boot.
>
> So, what motor do I tell them I have so I get the right wires?
>
> Also, I know this is a highly subjective question, but what are the best
> plug wires to get?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Tim Neasham
> '74 & '76 F-250
> Benton City, Wa.
>
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Try wires for an '85 or '86 460.
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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 21:53:50 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?

V = venturi AKA bbl (barrel) as in carburetor/manifold/heads (Cleveland).
4V = 4 bbl carb/manifold/head.

Oh and no problem...anytime.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Corey Johnson
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Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?


>what os all this 2V and 4V I keep seeing?
>
> Oh and thanks for the input....



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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:55:01 -0400
From: "Viggy"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...

I run a set of Accel Universal Fit wires on my 302. They have never failed
me yet and the only hard part which aint hard at all is trimming and
crimping the little metal peice at the end and putting on the boot. Another
thing I like is that they are yellow with red boots and they stand out big
time on my bright Ford Blue block. I also run a Accel Pro Stock coil and
both of them made it gain power. It takes off faster and has that little
extra power boost when ya drop tha hammer.
Just my thoughts......
Virginia Jeff
79 F150 302 2v (soon to get a Edelbrock 600cfm 4v!!)

>
> Also, I know this is a highly subjective question, but what are the best
> plug wires to get?
>


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Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 23:02:31 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plug Wires...

At 09:30 PM 12/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Okay guys, I've been fighting with this "problem" for a while now, and
>I'm ready to ask for help. I've got a '74 F-250 w/ 360. I did the
>Duraspark change over, and added the adapter and large cap. Now, when I
>go to the local "Bend-you-over-the counter" parts house, what do I tell
>them I want wires for?

Taylor 8mm.

>
>So, what motor do I tell them I have so I get the right wires?

Taylor 8mm!

>Also, I know this is a highly subjective question, but what are the best
>plug wires to get?

Taylor 8mm!!

>Thanks in advance.

You get the box of them with the ends and you make them up yourself. They
are absolutely great, and look awesome (in black of course-don't you dare
buy the fluorescent pink or green ones!)

I did the same thing you did with the big cap and I built the wires myself.
Looks mind-boggling. Works great.

>Benton City, Wa.

Marko

BTW email me off-list and tell me where Benton City is!



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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 00:56:18 -0400
From: "Viggy"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ever tried?

> what os all this 2V and 4V I keep seeing?

2v - 2 barrel carb
4v - 4 barrel carb

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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:24:41 EDT
From: Brazzadog aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Free 351M heads in SE WA

I'm cleaning my garage and they gotta go. Bought them off a kid in Maine
about 5 years ago. All I wanted was the exhaust manifolds, but he gave me
the whole motor in pieces. My poor Subaru wagon had a load on. Anyway he
said they had just been rebuilt when he blew up the motor. He had them in a
'78 F150 4x4, if it matters. I can't look at them and know if they really
came off a 351M or whether they really had a recent rebuild but they're free
to whoever wants 'em.
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Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 01:40:55 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Diff in 4V & 2V pistons

On Wed, 12 May 1999 11:28:21 -0600 Marko Maryniak
writes:

>You're lucky to have a Cleveland
I feel very lucky . I have two of them !

>I would recommend going with a relatively stock application 2v piston,
>which shud make adequate but not outrageous compression (read:
>detonation).
> Try for about 9 or 9.5:1 for optimum driveability.
What I am concerned about the most is the durability of the 2V piston
compared to the 4V piston . Are 4V pistons made stronger for the power
that is available in an engine built with 4V heads ?

>As far as the 4v manifold/2v manifold issue is concerned, the
>Cleveland
>heads breathe SO well that they can eat up any 4v manifold you can
>throw at
>them.
I noticed the intake valves on the 2V heads are big enough that there are
concave reliefs ( factory original ) cut into the top of the cylinders
for the intake valve clearance .
Thanks again for the info and thumbs up on the cleveland !

Rollie .

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