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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 159 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - I know it is a repeat! Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what?? Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Oil schematics Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust FTE 61-79 - 351M noise FTE 61-79 - Cleaning up after your truck Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust FTE 61-79 - 428 Pistons? Re: FTE 61-79 - Let's all do a 410 swap Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - Intro RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury FTE 61-79 - carb..Size???Whats it from??? Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor Question ? Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 Pistons? Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust FTE 61-79 - Distributor pin whoes FTE 61-79 - oil pressure sending unit location FTE 61-79 - Vibrating 429 FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Re: FTE 61-79 - Let's all do a 410 swap FTE 61-79 - Shifter Boot Mystery Solved Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance FTE 61-79 - Carb Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure sending unit location Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb FTE 61-79 - Carb Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust FTE 61-79 - RE:cleaning up after your truck FTE 61-79 - 410 questions Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 questions ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:23:36 -0400 From: "Upchurch, Jason" Subject: FTE 61-79 - I know it is a repeat! Hey yall just thought I would fill ya in on my full time burning alternator light, yet the baby is charging great. For all of you that said check the stator wire, you were absolutely correct! It appears that when the old girl sat up for "X" amount of years the stator wire coming from the alt. had become engorged with crud and simply broke free of itself. Fixed it yesterday with the help of the wiring diagram I was sent, as well as a good volt/ohm meter! I just want to say thanks! What do you guys think of a 300 inline 6 out of a 77 hooked to a c-4 out of a 72 LTD? What do you think about it overheating when you dare to go above 60mph? Done all the essentials, fan shroud, thermostat, new hoses, and even made sure my heater core wasn't clogged. The cap has a rating of 13lbs. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated because I drive my beauty to work on an interstate- I-40 for those of you around Raleigh NC, and that just will not do! I would like to thank you all in advance because I am sure we can fix this the same way we did the alternator light!! E-mail me please at : jupchurch == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:52:14 -0500 From: ballingr Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what?? > Jason & Kathy are correct I was asking about the 330 FT block. Why would I even > think of such a combination? A 3.875 bore with a 3.98 stroke makes the engine > under square, this makes torque while minimizing the displacement. While such an > engine would peak early in the RPM band and probably not even touch 5000 RPM it > should make a great deal of torque at low RPM and get good gas mileage perfect > for a work truck that needs to traverse construction sites loaded. But if the > parts to try it are that high it is an experiment that won't happen. IMHO you'd be wasting your money. That block will bore out to 4.05 +.030 or even .060. If it's an FT block it'l usually go out to 4.13. Some standard FE blocks can too, but I'd rather build a 410 for a truck. The 410 is the perfect truck engine. It has big enough bores to breathe well, and with the right piston, usually a dished piston that comes up very close to .000 deck, resists pinging well. The extra stroke doesn't drop the LR ratio below what's considered to be acceptable at 1.63, same as a 428 of course. And the main thing is that nowhere in it's design is it stretching it's limits. the bore size doesn't stress the limits of the block or the head bolts to clamp the cylinders tight. The heads flow the perfect velocity and volume to fill and empty those cylinders. The stroke doesn't make it ponderous, it will still zing with headers and the right cam. It can be a big brawny truck engine for a very long time, like a 390 but with more power. I wish I had one. I'm looking for a crank for the FE I'm hoping to get on the stand as soon as I get back to work. I'm not trying to tell you what to build at all, just my advice. Ford made the best truck engines on the planet. The 410 is one of the best. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:02:03 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 Oil schematics >of "Normal", then I changed the oil and it went to no oil >pressure. I know >the pump works (just replaced it and it's new from >Ford) so my next step is >that something is blocking one of the passages >from the filter housing. It >seems that the oil filter had come apart >and rubber pieces from something >inside the filter were missing (fram >filter). So I think I have some rubber >blocking the passages on the >left side of the motor. > >> Any ideas? Does anyone have an oiling schematic? It came out of a '72 >>Lincoln Conti. The motor is a brand new rebuild about 5000 miles ago. > >shanev Have you checked the pickup screen on the oil pump ? If it gets clogged it can starve the pump, a problem with high mileage later 302's for anyone looking at those ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:05:54 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light What do you guys think of a 300 >inline 6 out of a 77 hooked to a c-4 out of a 72 LTD? What do you think >about it overheating when you dare to go above 60mph? bummer's what I think .... Done all the >essentials, fan shroud, thermostat, new hoses, and even made sure my heater >core wasn't clogged. The cap has a rating of 13lbs. Any ideas would >greatly be appreciated because I drive my beauty to work on an interstate- >I-40 for those of you around Raleigh NC, and that just will not do! >E-mail me please at : >jupchurch Are you sure its overheating ? My 360 "overheated" every time I'd sit at a stoplight or drive over 65mph ... turned out to be a bad sending unit, it was a steady 170 unless I romped on it, then idled for 5 minutes, at which point it would creap up to 175. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 06:32:28 -0700 From: John & Iva McKay Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust need some help with a '78 F-150 4x4. On the top of the steering box is a slotted bolt with a lock nut. What is the adjustment for and what's the proper way to adjust it ? Thanks - -- John L. McKay Mesa, Arizona '67 F-100 Custom Cab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm Email: djspaints == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:43:32 -0400 From: Rob Long Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust I need some advice for my '78 F250 400M.... I want to put duel exhaust on it with something that has a nice, tasteful rumble. I don't want anything that will set off car alarms and rattle the neighbors windows. Just a slight rumble that gets attention from other people. Are glass packs too loud? My friend has a '78 Bronco with glass packs the exhaust pipes come out to each side of the truck so you don't get the true sound of the exhaust. I want my pipes to come straight out the back. If anyone can understand what I'm talking about.... a response would be greatly appreciated !! ! ! - -- Rob http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4249 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:47:33 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M noise Nick, My engine had a noise that turned out to be the water pump bearing. I was sure that I had a slapping piston. Just an idea. - -John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 08:47:27 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cleaning up after your truck Daniel, Your local parts house will have professional cleaning products. I'm cheap so more common useful items are: To soak up oil spills: cat litter. Don't put it in the garbage, though. Very illegal. It has to go to the recyclers. To clean other messes on concrete floors, soak in Simple Green. SG is a little expensive, but you can mix it for different strengths and it works great. Oil and grease in clothes: dab a little Goop hand cleaner on the spot, then wash. Simple Green works good here, too. Hope this helps to keep you out of the dog house. :-) - -John jlagrone 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:02:33 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust >I need some advice for my '78 F250 400M.... I want to put duel exhaust >on it with something that has a nice, tasteful rumble Do you have headers ? How about 4wheel drive ? Hard to run duals with 4wd. . I don't want >anything that will set off car alarms and rattle the neighbors windows. >Just a slight rumble that gets attention from other people. Are glass >packs too loud? Depends on pipe size and how well your engine is running and all kinds of neat things. I'm running Super Turbo's on my truck with I think 2" exhaust (been several years), all through the stock exhaust. Inside it sounds really tame, but when I do occasionally get to hear it from outside I get a nice meaty rumble. I have set off car alarms though. 'Course so has our 69 Cougar, its running full stock exhaust, so I think a lot of it has to do with the sensitivity of the alarms. I've never had anyone complain about my truck being too loud. Well Mom did, but it was in the attached garage with the door between the house and the garage open, so I don't think that counts :) My friend has a '78 Bronco with glass packs the exhaust >pipes come out to each side of the truck so you don't get the true sound >of the exhaust. I want my pipes to come straight out the back. Mine do come straight out the back, but with the 4x4 the routing is actually quite a bit more complicated than that for me. If you are working on a 4x4 you might look at Marc's exhaust page ... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/SandersonHeaders.html Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:03:28 EDT From: BDIJXS Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428 Pistons? Hey Marko, Did you say stock 428 pistons give about 9:1??? I keep hearing that they are closer to 10:1??? Or, were you talking about 410 pistons??? CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:16:24 EDT From: TBeeee Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Let's all do a 410 swap In a message dated 5/10/99 8:56:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ballingr writes: > The 410 is the perfect truck engine. Let me say first that from what I have been reading here lately about the 410 (and on and off periodically over the last several weeks) "I want one!" However, if the 410 is the greatest thing since Stu's NOS lifter springs......how come it was not in production for more years and offered in more car lines and/or trucks? Stock Man (a/k/a Thom B.) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:16:27 -0400 From: Rob Long Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust No it doesn't have headers.... stock exhaust. And it's 4x4 - -- Rob http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4249 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:35:02 EDT From: Mikerenf Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Intro Hi I'm mike Just bought a 66 f-100 custom and getting ready to restore it. Have 2 side tanks on it. There is some rust pockets inside the cab, just below the drivers seat. and on passenger side bed panel if you have nay suggestions for fixing these would love to hear it. thanks == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:39:44 -0400 From: TracyJones Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust > ---------- > From: John & Iva McKay[SMTP:djspaints > Sent: Monday, May 10, 1999 9:32 AM > To: 61-79-list > Cc: 61-79-list-digest > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust > > need some help with a '78 F-150 4x4. On the top of the steering box is a > slotted bolt with a lock nut. What is the adjustment for and what's the > proper way to adjust it ? Thanks > > -- > John L. McKay > Mesa, Arizona > '67 F-100 Custom Cab > It sets the preload on the sector gear. The proper thing to do is nothing, don't touch it! Tracy == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:35:08 -0500 From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury I'll agree with William in that the 410 is a perfect truck motor with gobs of torque-it's just too bad Ford didn't pick it up and put it into full production! And 428 cranks are kinda rare and expensive, if you can find one! A friend of mine had a 410 in a 67 Galaxie. It had an RV cam, and it'd really move that car! I'd like to put a 428 crank in a 427 block for about 440-450 cubes! Oh well. Happy driving! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 08:39:06 -0700 From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb..Size???Whats it from??? Can anybody tell me what this carb is from and size from this part # Its an autolite 4 bbl # C1AE-9510-AH...thanks - -- Joe 1968 F-100 4x4 302 NP435 "Its not pretty but its gets me there" 1969 F-250 4x4 390 NP435 "Undecided Future" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:37:39 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Distributor Question ? >From: "don" >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor Question ? > > I have a 1971 Ford 400 M that I am putting in >a 1979 Ford F-150. As the 79 had a electronic >ignition in it and I want to put an electronic >ignition in the 71 engine Can I just get a >electronic distributor from a 79 400,429,460 >and will all the rest of the wiring be the same >so I can just plug it in. any help is appreciated Yo Don: In a word, yes! All engines in the 335 series (351C/351M/400) and 385 series (429/460) use the same distributor. It is actually a distributor that was originally designed for the 460 in 1968 Lincolns. If you have all the rest of the DuraSpark II wiring harness and control box (from your '79), all you need to do w/ the '71 engine is drop in a DSII distributor and use a DSII-compatible coil. (Any standard coil can be used, if you're willing to modify the coil's primary circuit connectors. Otherwise, just get a coil set up for the standard DSII "horseshoe" connector.) >also, what years distributor can I use that >would be the same ? Any 335 or 385 series DSII distributor will work. The DSII system was introduced in 1975 on 351M, 400, and 460 engines. It was used on M-blocks until production ended in 1982. It was still used on 460s in HD trucks through 1984, maybe later. Dave R (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:46:36 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351M >From: Nick Jessee >Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M > >i have a '77 with the 351 M. >At about 2200rpm I have a knocking sound >its too light to be a rod or main. It sounds to >me like a lifter/valvetrain noise. It only >happens under little or no load if you step >on it the noise goes away. A friend has a >truck with the same engine and it makes >an identical noise.does >anyone know what it is? Yo Nick: How many miles are on the engine in your truck? I think that any internal engine sound that goes away w/ the application of power means big trouble. I'm thinking rod knock or piston slap. There is nothing you can do to fix these short of rebuilding the engine. Sometimes, you can use a heavier oil to slow down (or mask) the deterioration of rod knock, but either of these problems will keep getting worse until you rebuild the engine. I also saw John's suggestion about the water pump, and I would certainly recommend you do everything you can to isolate the noise and hope for the best. The most damning evidence, however, is that the noise goes away when you apply power. Generally, accessory noises don't do that. Good luck w/ your truck. Dave R (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:48:51 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 428 Pistons? At 10:03 AM 10/05/99 EDT, you wrote: >Hey Marko, > >Did you say stock 428 pistons give about 9:1??? I keep hearing that they are >closer to 10:1??? Or, were you talking about 410 pistons??? > >CJ 410 ones. I don't know what 428 ones do, except go up and down. marko :^] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:50:39 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury At 09:35 AM 10/05/99 -0500, you wrote: I'd like to put a 428 crank in a 427 >block for about 440-450 cubes! Oh well. Happy driving! That motor I affectionately call "Stu's Revenge", in other words, it works out to a 454 Ford. marko :^] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 10:52:37 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust At 09:43 AM 10/05/99 -0400, you wrote: >I need some advice for my '78 F250 400M.... I want to put duel exhaust >on it with something that has a nice, tasteful rumble. I don't want >anything that will set off car alarms and rattle the neighbors windows. >Just a slight rumble that gets attention from other people. Are glass >packs too loud? My friend has a '78 Bronco with glass packs the exhaust >pipes come out to each side of the truck so you don't get the true sound >of the exhaust. I want my pipes to come straight out the back. >If anyone can understand what I'm talking about.... a response would be >greatly appreciated !! ! ! > >-- >Rob In my experience, if you're on a budget, just get cheap Turbos, like Thrush ones. They sound awesome (I've had some, albeit on an FE) and they're dirt cheap. Unless you want to go the opposite and get some flowmaster or something... marko == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:44:28 EDT From: JefriHansn Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor pin whoes I'm always a few days behind in reading all this mail - but wanted to add my 2 cents to the guy with the distributor pin that keeps shearing and advise he was given. My truck did the same thing a couple weeks ago on the interstate the instant I left off the gas - 79 F-150 4WD 429CU/NP435. I rad a bit of advise you were given about replacing the pin, and putting another smaller one inside that one. That will work, but only try it if your ready to do that rebuild! A number of years ago, my mom had a 68 Falcon wagon with a 289. One day it up and died on her. Dad tracked it down to the distributor pin sheared. We spent all night one night taking the oil pan off and found it full of the old valve seal pieces. how, to this day we have never been able to explain it - but one of those pieces about the size of your pinky fingernail was in the oil pump - past the full screen. Cleaned her all out - and thinking like the advise you were given, dad replaced the pin, AND put another inside that one. Driving home that night at about O dark thirty, the motor began making the tick tick tick of a main knock. "Couldn't be" dad thought. Made it 17.5 miles out of the 18 to our house when it froze up. Another peice, again, the size of a finger nail was in the oil pump - again, How? Bottom line is - because he beefed up the pin, instead of it shearing again - the oil pump shaft twisted in two and we just keep go'n until it could go no more. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:21:49 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure sending unit location Matt writes: >> but i cannott for the life of me find the oil pressure sending unit on my truck(im trying to fix the oil pressure guage) Look on top of engine at the very rear(with air cleaner off). It is located rearward of the intake, top center of block. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:45:55 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vibrating 429 Jeff Hanson: Since you have a bad vibration replaced the rear seal 2ce for leaks, I'd bet you have the wrong flywheel balance. You probably wound up with a 428 flywheel.(I don't know of another flywheel that will bolt up to the 385 series engines other than the FE/FT and I know nothing about the balance of the FT.) I'd take the flywheel off and inspect it for a large cast in counter weight around approx 1/16th of the circumference near the outer edge. Good luck at any rate. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:14:22 -0400 From: am14 Subject: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Stoney writes: >>Up until 1979/80 the 460's were externally balanced, the 390 flywheel will need to be balanced to this. From 79/80 on the 460 was internally balanced and a neutral 390 flywheel should hook right up. I've heard about this externally balanced 385 series, but I've yet to see one of them. I have a '73, a '70, and a '68, and all are running 390/360 flywheels with no balance and no vibration. Those externally balanced jobs must have been special CJ's or SCJ's or police or something special. The run-of-the-mill 460's and one 429 ('70) that I've spent most of my time on are all internally balanced. No argument - just stating what I've encountered. I agree with the bit about balancing the standard flywheel to the auto flywheel. I had this done, but the shop told me they were balanced the same, so he didn't do anything to them(didn't charge me either). Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:33:56 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Mercury At 10:50 AM 5/10/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 09:35 AM 10/05/99 -0500, you wrote: > I'd like to put a 428 crank in a 427 >>block for about 440-450 cubes! Oh well. Happy driving! > >That motor I affectionately call "Stu's Revenge", in other words, it works >out to >a 454 Ford. How sweet of you Marko! Think Ford would call it that???? PLEASE??????? Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:34:59 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Azie writes: >Stoney writes: >>Up >>until 1979/80 the 460's were externally balanced, >>the 390 flywheel will need to be balanced to this. >>From 79/80 on the 460 was internally balanced >>and a neutral 390 flywheel should hook right up. > >I've heard about this externally balanced 385 >series, but I've yet to see one of them. I have a >'73, a '70, and a '68, and all are running 390/360 >flywheels Yo Azie: I think Stoney has it backwards. From what I've read, the 385 series (429/460) was internally balanced until sometime in the early '80s. Yours are all earlier engines, internally balanced. Dave R (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 16:43:25 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Let's all do a 410 swap At 10:16 AM 5/10/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/10/99 8:56:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ballingr >writes: > >> The 410 is the perfect truck engine. > > >Let me say first that from what I have been reading here lately about the 410 >(and on and off periodically over the last several weeks) "I want one!" > >However, if the 410 is the greatest thing since Stu's NOS lifter >springs......how come it was not in production for more years and offered in >more car lines and/or trucks? Thom B and guys, I want one too in my next project truck so I am compiling parts for one now. (No NOS valve springs on this one, only hot rod parts) Gotta have a real wicked Ch*bby eater even if it does give me indigestion sometimes. Me thinks I have located a nice set of Mercury FE valve covers with the name embossed in them. I think I have an non bored 352.......right Tony? And that 4 speed toploader...... And the crank, well since they are rare and expensive, I shall not share all my sources for (Nuclear)HOT FE parts just yet. (ssshhhh, CJ!! Don't tell anyone) Remember boys and girls, FEAR begins with FE!!!! 8^) Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:29:31 EDT From: BDIJXS Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shifter Boot Mystery Solved OK, just for completion, I figured I would pass this on. I was looking for a shifter boot (tranny) for a 78 F-250 4x4. Ford ordered one, but when it came, it was the wrong part. Well, after a serious effort by my parts guy there, we found out that he did indeed have the right part number, but the boot that came was in the wrong package! So, the wrong part was in the package that had the correct part number stamped on it.... Anyway, if anyone needs this number, I'll try and dig it up..... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 15:57:11 PDT From: "barry mitchell" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance Guys,Did I read right a 360 flywheel will fit on a 429/460? Is there anything special I need to know about? We're gonna put a 460 police engine in a 76 4X4, it currently has a 360 4spd,we already have the bellhousing and I take we can use the 360 fly wheel? 460 has an auto behind it. Barry Mitchell _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:39:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb What should be done to a carberator before long term storage. I do not want it to get punky and if I don't have to work on it when I put it back in service all the better. Thanx in advance Julia == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:07:20 EDT From: ICEMAN1952 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjust YOU NEED TO GET YOURSELF HOLD OF A HAYES OR CHILTON BOOK FOR YOUR TRUCK, THE ADJUSTMENT IS CALLED A SECTOR ADJUSTMENT, IT REQUIRES SOME SPECIAL STEPS AND TO GET IT RIGHT, BUT FIRST CHECK ALL THE STEERING COMPONENTS FIRST. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:11:10 EDT From: ICEMAN1952 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust TRUSH OR CERRY BOMBS PLACED AS CLOSE UNDER THE CAB AS POSSIBLE WITH AT LEAST 1 3/4 TO 2'' PIPES GOING TO THE REAR, I, AM, CERRYS NOW AND THERE REALLY HEAD TURNERS. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:18:37 EDT From: ICEMAN1952 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure sending unit location What type of engine? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:22:32 EDT From: ICEMAN1952 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb Are you storing just the carb? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb - --WebTV-Mail-144388260-4479 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Yes Julia - --WebTV-Mail-144388260-4479 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.96) by postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id RAA09970 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 17:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (fordtruc 10 May 1999 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id UAA21768; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:24:27 -0400 (EDT) From: ICEMAN1952 Received: from ICEMAN1952 sJLBa10991 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 20:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:22:32 EDT Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb To: 61-79-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 15 Sender: owner-61-79-list Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 61-79-list Are you storing just the carb? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --WebTV-Mail-144388260-4479-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 21:24:21 EDT From: ICEMAN1952 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb as far as the metal on the carb, just try to get all the gas residue completely, however the gaskets present another problem, don't know of anything short of replacing them before the next use, carbs do not store well, I'll keep asking around and see what i can dig up. bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 18:48:50 -0700 From: Eric Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carb Friends; Rolls Royce recommends draining the gas and placing the carb in a can filled completely with paraffin (kerosene) and sealing the can with a tight-fitting lid. This should take you half way through the cleaning job, too. Eric == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:30:57 -0500 From: cannandale Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust glass packs are noticable, but i really dont think that thery have a good rumble (i run them). I personally would put single chamber flowmasters (or dynomax, same thing, cheaper because of the name), with about 2 1/4, or 2 1/2 pipe straigt out the back with some nice tips on them. Just one warning, you didnt say, but if your truck is a 4wd and you do any offroading you dont want them to come straight out the back, i had that when i first got it, backed down a hill and the bumper hit the ground, drove the pipes into the ground and bent them up pretty bad, so i went to side exits.. cannandale '78 F250 4x4, 460 At 09:48 AM 5/10/99 -0500, you wrote: > >I need some advice for my '78 F250 400M.... I want to put duel exhaust >on it with something that has a nice, tasteful rumble. I don't want >anything that will set off car alarms and rattle the neighbors windows. >Just a slight rumble that gets attention from other people. Are glass >packs too loud? My friend has a '78 Bronco with glass packs the exhaust >pipes come out to each side of the truck so you don't get the true sound >of the exhaust. I want my pipes to come straight out the back. >If anyone can understand what I'm talking about.... a response would be >greatly appreciated !! ! ! > >-- >Rob >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Campus/4249 > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:39:11 -0500 From: cannandale Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust also.. Just some info for anybody wanting to run dual exhaust on a 4wd. To properly tune the exhaust from side to side, you have to run both pipes out on the side on the transfer case, opposites the front drive shaft, then the right side exhaust has to go out the left, and the left goes out the right. Thats to equal up the pipe length enough to make it sound right, but if you dont care like me, dont worry about it.. :) cannandale '78 F250 4x4, 460 At 10:07 AM 5/10/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>I need some advice for my '78 F250 400M.... I want to put duel exhaust >>on it with something that has a nice, tasteful rumble > >Do you have headers ? How about 4wheel drive ? Hard to run duals with 4wd. > > >. I don't want >>anything that will set off car alarms and rattle the neighbors windows. >>Just a slight rumble that gets attention from other people. Are glass >>packs too loud? > >Depends on pipe size and how well your engine is running and all kinds of >neat things. I'm running Super Turbo's on my truck with I think 2" exhaust >(been several years), all through the stock exhaust. Inside it sounds >really tame, but when I do occasionally get to hear it from outside I get a >nice meaty rumble. I have set off car alarms though. 'Course so has our >69 Cougar, its running full stock exhaust, so I think a lot of it has to do >with the sensitivity of the alarms. I've never had anyone complain about >my truck being too loud. Well Mom did, but it was in the attached garage >with the door between the house and the garage open, so I don't think that >counts :) > > >My friend has a '78 Bronco with glass packs the exhaust >>pipes come out to each side of the truck so you don't get the true sound >>of the exhaust. I want my pipes to come straight out the back. > >Mine do come straight out the back, but with the 4x4 the routing is >actually quite a bit more complicated than that for me. If you are working >on a 4x4 you might look at Marc's exhaust page ... > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacifier.com/~draco/SandersonHeaders.html > > >Just my 2cents > >wish > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:45:54 -0400 From: "Timothy R. Anderson" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:cleaning up after your truck Daniel, you wrote: "I'm a dead man if I don't get that garage cleaned !!" Wow, I didn't realise that a dirty garage could be fatal! Guess I've been living on borrowed time. But if I have to clean up after my Ford truck (FTE content) I find that kitty litter and time work well. In a hurry? I bought some stuff at Costco called Oil Eater that works well too. On the off chance that you have any, carbon tetrachloride is the finest spot remover ever but has been banned due to its carcinogenic nature. Too bad, that stuff was great! Your other options would be to stain all of the floor (my choice) or, if it's really bad, paint. It just sort of depends on whether your concerns stem from SWMBO or a landlord. Good luck! Tim in Anchorage '67 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 22:59:37 -0400 From: "Timothy R. Anderson" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 questions Marko, I've been debating a 410 build for awhile now. I've got a 428 crank and a .060 (fresh bore) 390 block. However, the list I saw did'nt show 410 pistons larger than .030. Also, it listed stock 410 compression at 10.5-1. Which heads did you use to get that 9.0-1 ratio? Are 410 pistons available in .060 over? Thanks for any info you can send my way. Tim in Anchorage '67 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:36:07 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance i used a 390 flywheel behind my 72 429 PI, later model 460's "i think after 82 "used a counter balancer, on the harmonic balancer. someone else may be more familiar with the balance than i am. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:37:30 -0400 From: j arnold Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 385series balance At 04:14 PM 5/10/99 -0400, you wrote: >Stoney writes: >>Up >until 1979/80 the 460's were externally balanced, the 390 flywheel will >need to be balanced to this. From 79/80 on the 460 was internally balanced >and a neutral 390 flywheel should hook right up. > > >I've heard about this externally balanced 385 series, but I've yet to see one of >them. I have a '73, a '70, and a '68, and all are running 390/360 flywheels >with no balance and no vibration. Those externally balanced jobs must have been >special CJ's or SCJ's or police or something special. The run-of-the-mill 460's >and one 429 ('70) that I've spent most of my time on are all internally >balanced. > > >Azie >Ardmore, Al. > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > Hey Azie, Just happens that I've got a 429 in the garage floor right now I just picked up that is internally balanced (I think), spacer has counter weight and so did flywheel. I'll write down numbers and bring them with me to the Forge, see you there and compare notes. Probably won't have time between now and thursday to break into it, would like to have the crank to look at and compare numbers. Stoney == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 23:53:25 EDT From: WEDIVE247 Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 Exhaust If you go with side exits , be sure to turn them out behind the rear tires to prevent premature tire heating & wear............... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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