61-79-list-digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 158



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Aftermarket Air Conditioning
FTE 61-79 - Howl
FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light
FTE 61-79 - Carburetor links
FTE 61-79 - Distributor Question ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
FTE 61-79 - Manual Steering Gearbox
FTE 61-79 - 351M
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
FTE 61-79 - 460 Oil schematics
Re: FTE 61-79 - toolbox
FTE 61-79 - CLeaning up after your truck...

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 05:38:15 -0500
From: George Ramsower
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Aftermarket Air Conditioning

Also check out Vintage Air at www.vintageair.com

They are located in San Antonio, and specialize in aftermarket
airconditioning systems for all kinds of older vehicles.

I have talked to these guys and they are pretty easy to deal with.

George Ramsower
San Antonio(Little Mexico), TEXAS
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 05:53:43 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Howl

> Hey folks, I need your help really quick. Ive got a very annoying howl
> coming from under my truck. Im hopin its just the carrier bearing, but it
> could also be my tranny or my diff. It only happens while cruising, it goes
> away under acceleration, or decelleration, and when the tranny is put in
> neutral. This make me want to point fingers at the used c-6 I put in. If
> this is the case, Im converting to a 4 speed. For those of you who dont
> know, Tweety is a 74 F-350 w 460. I have the 400 bellhousing, a T-18 tranny,
> the pedals, linkage, and steering column. My questions are how do I use the
> 390 flywheel? Is there a difference in balance? Also which starter would I
> use? I just bought a new one and Im hopin its the same as the one the 400
> would use. I know Im gonna have to space the rear cross member up a little
> bit and lil things like that. I cant remember if Im gonna hafta find a new
> driveshaft though. I know the rear portion of the shaft is the same in an
> auto or manual, but what about the front half?

It sounds to me like a bad ring and pinion, from what you described. If
your diff oil is watery, it may have galled it.
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 07:50:35 -0400
From: "Upchurch, Jason"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light

Hey yall just thought I would fill ya in on my full time burning alternator
light, yet the baby is charging great. For all of you that said check the
stator wire, you were absolutely correct! It appears that when the old girl
sat up for "X" amount of years the stator wire coming from the alt. had
become engorged with crud and simply broke free of itself. Fixed it
yesterday with the help of the wiring diagram I was sent, as well as a good
volt/ohm meter! I just want to say thanks! What do you guys think of a 300
inline 6 out of a 77 hooked to a c-4 out of a 72 LTD? What do you think
about it overheating when you dare to go above 60mph? Done all the
essentials, fan shroud, thermostat, new hoses, and even made sure my heater
core wasn't clogged. The cap has a rating of 13lbs. Any ideas would
greatly be appreciated because I drive my beauty to work on an interstate-
I-40 for those of you around Raleigh NC, and that just will not do!
E-mail me please at :
jupchurch imps0014.us.dg.com

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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 06:57:42 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light

I had all kinds of overheating with my 300 until I finally put on an
oversized, brand new radiator. I had tried everything else, this finally
worked ($300 later).

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From: Upchurch, Jason
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 6:50 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 with alternator light


> Hey yall just thought I would fill ya in on my full time burning
alternator
> light, yet the baby is charging great. For all of you that said check the
> stator wire, you were absolutely correct! It appears that when the old
girl
> sat up for "X" amount of years the stator wire coming from the alt. had
> become engorged with crud and simply broke free of itself. Fixed it
> yesterday with the help of the wiring diagram I was sent, as well as a
good
> volt/ohm meter! I just want to say thanks! What do you guys think of a
300
> inline 6 out of a 77 hooked to a c-4 out of a 72 LTD? What do you think
> about it overheating when you dare to go above 60mph? Done all the
> essentials, fan shroud, thermostat, new hoses, and even made sure my
heater
> core wasn't clogged. The cap has a rating of 13lbs. Any ideas would
> greatly be appreciated because I drive my beauty to work on an interstate-
> I-40 for those of you around Raleigh NC, and that just will not do!
> E-mail me please at :
> jupchurch imps0014.us.dg.com
>
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:23:42 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carburetor links

Hey all,

I put together a carb page. I also scoured the web for carb related
material. See the links page, and if you have any links relating to our
trucks, mechanical info., smog, ect. I'll add it too.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker

later
mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com

78 250 custom
78 bronco custom
85 styleside 4x4


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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:39:46 -0500
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor Question ?

I have a 1971 Ford 400 M that I am putting in a 1979 Ford F-150. As the 79
had a electronic ignition in it and I want to put an electronic ignition in
the 71 engine Can I just get a electronic distributor from a 79 400,429,460
and will all the rest of the wiring be the same so I can just plug it in.
any help is appreciated
donb ficom.net
also, what years distributor can I use that would be the same ?

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 06:28:47 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

I have another question. Is the '65 330 an FE block, What is the standard Bore
on it, and what is the longest throw crank that can be installed? OK three
questions.
Thanks
Dennis Dellinger

Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:

> M351STANG aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello all.
> > I just checked the numbers on this FE I pulled out of my
> > pickup. I would like to say it is a FE 427, but a lot of people
> > tell me it is not. It does not have the Cross bolt no the crank,
> > but my book of ford motors call it an, early 1965 FE 427.
> > I am not going to hold my breath for a 427, but it would be nice.
> > I would love to go back to those people and say it is a 427.
> > So THANKS to all, your a lot of help, to use who don't know.
> >
> > Craig J
> > 65 F100 351W, AOD, 4.56 traklock
> > 74 F100 300-6, 3 speed short bed, for the $300.00 in DMV
> > tags he owed on it.
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> Craig, all 427's were cross-bolted. 406's from 6/63 to 1/64 were
> cross-bolted. Early 406's weren't. According to my numbers, your block
> could be a '65 390, or a '65 330 HD truck motor. The numbers also match
> a '65 427, but without the cross-bolts, I'd bet it's a '65 390. What is
> the casting number on the head? If you take the heads off the block, the
> 390 has a 4.05 inch bore(standard). A 427 has a 4.23 inch
> bore(standard).
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 10:20:26 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

Dennis Dellinger wrote:
>
> I have another question. Is the '65 330 an FE block, What is the standard Bore
> on it, and what is the longest throw crank that can be installed? OK three
> questions.
> Thanks
> Dennis Dellinger
>
> Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:
>
> > M351STANG aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all.
> > > I just checked the numbers on this FE I pulled out of my
> > > pickup. I would like to say it is a FE 427, but a lot of people
> > > tell me it is not. It does not have the Cross bolt no the crank,
> > > but my book of ford motors call it an, early 1965 FE 427.
> > > I am not going to hold my breath for a 427, but it would be nice.
> > > I would love to go back to those people and say it is a 427.
> > > So THANKS to all, your a lot of help, to use who don't know.
> > >
> > > Craig J
> > > 65 F100 351W, AOD, 4.56 traklock
> > > 74 F100 300-6, 3 speed short bed, for the $300.00 in DMV
> > > tags he owed on it.
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> > Craig, all 427's were cross-bolted. 406's from 6/63 to 1/64 were
> > cross-bolted. Early 406's weren't. According to my numbers, your block
> > could be a '65 390, or a '65 330 HD truck motor. The numbers also match
> > a '65 427, but without the cross-bolts, I'd bet it's a '65 390. What is
> > the casting number on the head? If you take the heads off the block, the
> > 390 has a 4.05 inch bore(standard). A 427 has a 4.23 inch
> > bore(standard).
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The HD 330 FT truck block is an FE motor, but all heavy duty truck
blocks are labeled FT's. The bore is 3.875-the smallest of FE and FT
engines. It uses a 352 stroke. The HD 330 has a larger oil pump
driveshaft and distributor. The Medium Duty 330 uses a standard pump and
shaft. All FT engines use steel cranks which are externally
balanced-except the 330's. Some used steel externally balanced cranks,
and some used cast iron internally balanced cranks. Also, FT cranks had
a 1.76 inch crank nose, compared to an FE's 1.38 inch nose-and Ft's had
a thicker flywheel flange.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 10:30:58 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

Dennis Dellinger wrote:
>
> I have another question. Is the '65 330 an FE block, What is the standard Bore
> on it, and what is the longest throw crank that can be installed? OK three
> questions.
> Thanks
> Dennis Dellinger
>
> Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:
>
> > M351STANG aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all.
> > > I just checked the numbers on this FE I pulled out of my
> > > pickup. I would like to say it is a FE 427, but a lot of people
> > > tell me it is not. It does not have the Cross bolt no the crank,
> > > but my book of ford motors call it an, early 1965 FE 427.
> > > I am not going to hold my breath for a 427, but it would be nice.
> > > I would love to go back to those people and say it is a 427.
> > > So THANKS to all, your a lot of help, to use who don't know.
> > >
> > > Craig J
> > > 65 F100 351W, AOD, 4.56 traklock
> > > 74 F100 300-6, 3 speed short bed, for the $300.00 in DMV
> > > tags he owed on it.
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> > Craig, all 427's were cross-bolted. 406's from 6/63 to 1/64 were
> > cross-bolted. Early 406's weren't. According to my numbers, your block
> > could be a '65 390, or a '65 330 HD truck motor. The numbers also match
> > a '65 427, but without the cross-bolts, I'd bet it's a '65 390. What is
> > the casting number on the head? If you take the heads off the block, the
> > 390 has a 4.05 inch bore(standard). A 427 has a 4.23 inch
> > bore(standard).
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You could put a 428 crank in it if you wanted, but you'd have to buy
custom made pistons for the small bore and for the higher pin location.
EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:21:45 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manual Steering Gearbox

Ray,
My parts books show the gearbox from 67 thru 71 as C5TZ-3504D. I'm not
sure what was use in 72. The parts list for 71 show it as 71/. My books
cover from 64 thru 72 and I'm not sure if 71/ means 71 and 72. Maybe some
one could enlighten me.

Tim
66 F100 w/SWB
3 Speed & O/D w/PS
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick Jessee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351M

this might have already been discussed but i have a '77 with the 351 M.
At about 2200rpm I have a knocking sound its too light to be a rod or
main. It sounds to me like a lifter/valvetrain noise. It only happens
under little or no load if you step on it the noise goes away. A friend
has a truck with the same engine and it makes an identical noise.does
anyone know what it is?



_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:13:21 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

At 10:30 AM 09/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>You could put a 428 crank in it if you wanted, but you'd have to buy
>custom made pistons for the small bore and for the higher pin location.
>EXPENSIVE!!!!!!

No, you wouldn't.

The Mercury-only FE 410 was, and still is (ask me how I know!) a 390 bore
block (4.05) with a 428 crank (3.98) and the 390 rod. It was offered in 66
and 67 Mercury full-sized cars as a distinctive optional monster motor,
called the Marauder. After 67 the cube wars and economics caused Merc to
switch over to 428's. Pistons are available from FedMogul and (my
preference) from Silvolite. The stock replacement piston gives about 9:1
compression, nice for today's gas. You can get the pistons in stock
overbore sizes, like mine which are 30 over. All other parts interchange
nicely with all other 390 parts (oil pump, distributor, all that stuff is
the same). Engle makes a real nice cam for it.

This motor, ask Azie too, makes gobs and gobs of torque. 444 lb-ft from
the factory. And about 360 or so hp, mine is about 450 lbs of torque and
400 hp with the cam and the extra 7 cubes, on the desktop dyno.

The only expensive part is the 428 crank. You can use the 390 rods, and
have your flywheel Detroit balanced to balance the whole assembly as the
crank throw is too long for internal balance. You don't need to balance the
damper unless you have a CJ with the heavier rods, which you won't need as
you won't be running sustained speeds of 7000 rpm.

You could also bore the thing to 4.13 and make yourself a 428 too, but
you'd have little room for error with the thinness of the walls.

marko

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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 17:39:35 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

Marko Maryniak wrote:
>
> At 10:30 AM 09/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >You could put a 428 crank in it if you wanted, but you'd have to buy
> >custom made pistons for the small bore and for the higher pin location.
> >EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
>
> No, you wouldn't.
>
> The Mercury-only FE 410 was, and still is (ask me how I know!) a 390 bore
> block (4.05) with a 428 crank (3.98) and the 390 rod. It was offered in 66
> and 67 Mercury full-sized cars as a distinctive optional monster motor,
> called the Marauder. After 67 the cube wars and economics caused Merc to
> switch over to 428's. Pistons are available from FedMogul and (my
> preference) from Silvolite. The stock replacement piston gives about 9:1
> compression, nice for today's gas. You can get the pistons in stock
> overbore sizes, like mine which are 30 over. All other parts interchange
> nicely with all other 390 parts (oil pump, distributor, all that stuff is
> the same). Engle makes a real nice cam for it.
>
> This motor, ask Azie too, makes gobs and gobs of torque. 444 lb-ft from
> the factory. And about 360 or so hp, mine is about 450 lbs of torque and
> 400 hp with the cam and the extra 7 cubes, on the desktop dyno.
>
> The only expensive part is the 428 crank. You can use the 390 rods, and
> have your flywheel Detroit balanced to balance the whole assembly as the
> crank throw is too long for internal balance. You don't need to balance the
> damper unless you have a CJ with the heavier rods, which you won't need as
> you won't be running sustained speeds of 7000 rpm.
>
> You could also bore the thing to 4.13 and make yourself a 428 too, but
> you'd have little room for error with the thinness of the walls.
>
> marko
>
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Everyone knows about the stroker 390/410 that Merc built in the 60's.
As I understood the question, he was asking about putting a 428 crank in
a 330 FT truck block. With the small bore, stroker pistons in a 330
would run about $1000.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:15:49 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

Jason & Kathy are correct I was asking about the 330 FT block. Why would I even
think of such a combination? A 3.875 bore with a 3.98 stroke makes the engine
under square, this makes torque while minimizing the displacement. While such an
engine would peak early in the RPM band and probably not even touch 5000 RPM it
should make a great deal of torque at low RPM and get good gas mileage perfect
for a work truck that needs to traverse construction sites loaded. But if the
parts to try it are that high it is an experiment that won't happen.
Dennis Dellinger

Jason & Kathy Kendrick wrote:

> Marko Maryniak wrote:
> >
> > At 10:30 AM 09/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >You could put a 428 crank in it if you wanted, but you'd have to buy
> > >custom made pistons for the small bore and for the higher pin location.
> > >EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
> >
> > No, you wouldn't.
> >
> > The Mercury-only FE 410 was, and still is (ask me how I know!) a 390 bore
> > block (4.05) with a 428 crank (3.98) and the 390 rod. It was offered in 66
> > and 67 Mercury full-sized cars as a distinctive optional monster motor,
> > called the Marauder. After 67 the cube wars and economics caused Merc to
> > switch over to 428's. Pistons are available from FedMogul and (my
> > preference) from Silvolite. The stock replacement piston gives about 9:1
> > compression, nice for today's gas. You can get the pistons in stock
> > overbore sizes, like mine which are 30 over. All other parts interchange
> > nicely with all other 390 parts (oil pump, distributor, all that stuff is
> > the same). Engle makes a real nice cam for it.
> >
> > This motor, ask Azie too, makes gobs and gobs of torque. 444 lb-ft from
> > the factory. And about 360 or so hp, mine is about 450 lbs of torque and
> > 400 hp with the cam and the extra 7 cubes, on the desktop dyno.
> >
> > The only expensive part is the 428 crank. You can use the 390 rods, and
> > have your flywheel Detroit balanced to balance the whole assembly as the
> > crank throw is too long for internal balance. You don't need to balance the
> > damper unless you have a CJ with the heavier rods, which you won't need as
> > you won't be running sustained speeds of 7000 rpm.
> >
> > You could also bore the thing to 4.13 and make yourself a 428 too, but
> > you'd have little room for error with the thinness of the walls.
> >
> > marko
> >
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> Everyone knows about the stroker 390/410 that Merc built in the 60's.
> As I understood the question, he was asking about putting a 428 crank in
> a 330 FT truck block. With the small bore, stroker pistons in a 330
> would run about $1000.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:51:32 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Oil schematics

Forwarded for a friend

Thanks

OX


>Well spent the whole day putting the 460 back together (had no oil
>pressure), and guess what... still no oil pressure :-( I am at witts >end here, so now I ask for some help. The oil pressure went from the >high side of "Normal", then I changed the oil and it went to no oil >pressure. I know the pump works (just replaced it and it's new from >Ford) so my next step is that something is blocking one of the passages >from the filter housing. It seems that the oil filter had come apart >and rubber pieces from something inside the filter were missing (fram >filter). So I think I have some rubber blocking the passages on the >left side of the motor.

> Any ideas? Does anyone have an oiling schematic? It came out of a '72 >Lincoln Conti. The motor is a brand new rebuild about 5000 miles ago.

shanev adelphia.net
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 21:57:20 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toolbox

they are really easy to install all you need is a saws all and a metal blade
. passenger side works best . make your messurements and have at it . the
fender support needs to go away because the tool box , when in , will be the
new support as long as you put the bolt thru the back thru the frame. also
there should be a bracket bolted to the top back which bolts thru the floor
of the bed . thats about all there is to it . hope i could help. any
questions let me know ....steve
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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 20:51:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - CLeaning up after your truck...

So, does anybody out there have any tips on cleaning up after the....


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