61-79-list-digest Sunday, May 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 157



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - good source site
FTE 61-79 - howl-tran swap
FTE 61-79 - My Dist prob, the 460 dist prob, and the clutch problem, 3 in 1
Re: FTE 61-79 - howl-tran swap
FTE 61-79 - found my howl
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Old Air Products (was Underdash AC)
FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Distributor Problems
FTE 61-79 - 1986 Ford F350 crew cab
FTE 61-79 - F350 Limo
FTE 61-79 - F250 REAR ID
Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 REAR ID
FTE 61-79 - 15X10 Backspacing
FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 12:30:20 -0400
From: "Gayland Crutchfield"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - good source site

....for those who don't know....here's a good info site.
Crutch (59 F-100, 79 F-150)

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://truckworld.com/index.html

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 13:17:43 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - howl-tran swap

Hey folks, I need your help really quick. Ive got a very annoying howl
coming from under my truck. Im hopin its just the carrier bearing, but it
could also be my tranny or my diff. It only happens while cruising, it goes
away under acceleration, or decelleration, and when the tranny is put in
neutral. This make me want to point fingers at the used c-6 I put in. If
this is the case, Im converting to a 4 speed. For those of you who dont
know, Tweety is a 74 F-350 w 460. I have the 400 bellhousing, a T-18 tranny,
the pedals, linkage, and steering column. My questions are how do I use the
390 flywheel? Is there a difference in balance? Also which starter would I
use? I just bought a new one and Im hopin its the same as the one the 400
would use. I know Im gonna have to space the rear cross member up a little
bit and lil things like that. I cant remember if Im gonna hafta find a new
driveshaft though. I know the rear portion of the shaft is the same in an
auto or manual, but what about the front half?

Thanks folks

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 14:13:15 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My Dist prob, the 460 dist prob, and the clutch problem, 3 in 1

As for my distributor problem, I didn't rebuild the engine, just saw the
receipt when I purchased the truck, and when I had the pan off the first
time to replace the pump, I could tell that there were a bunch of new parts
in there. The valve stem seal theory is interesting, but the piece of
stuff in the pump last time looked more like oil pan gasket or valve cover
gasket than valve seal material (I can tell the difference). The pump was
not replaced with a high volume (even though they wanted to sell me one
bad). There is nothing stuck in there now, last time you could feel the
spot where the gasket piece was stuck, and there was resistance to turning.
Now the oil pump spins like it should. However, the drive gear doesn't
press on as well, it slides on easier now (from it spinning around the
shaft). Do you think I should replace the distributor?

Now the 460 distributor. What material drive gear are you using? It must
be compatible with the camshaft. Contact the cam manufacturer for info.

Clutch problem - the piece is known as a pilot bushing, and is quite common
in many cars. It doesn't have any needle bearings, so you aren't missing
any. It should not have that much play, however, and needs to be replaced.

George

78 F-150 400, 4 on floor, 44

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 14:30:57 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - howl-tran swap

. My questions are how do I use the
>390 flywheel? Is there a difference in balance? Also which starter would I
>use? I just bought a new one and Im hopin its the same as the one the 400
>would use. >Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Darrell,

Balancing the 390 flywheel will depend on what year your 460 engine is. Up
until 1979/80 the 460's were externally balanced, the 390 flywheel will
need to be balanced to this. From 79/80 on the 460 was internally balanced
and a neutral 390 flywheel should hook right up. If you don't know what
year your engine is (I guess it depends more on the crankshaft year than
the block year anyway), look at the front spacer that goes behind the
vibration damper. On an internally balanced 460 this spacer is just a round
cylinder, on an externally balanced 460 the spacer has a counter weight on it.
If you have to balance your 390 flywheel, you should be able to take it
and the flexplate that went with the C-6 to a machine shop and have the
flywheel balanced to match.
I'm no expert so someone correct me if this is inaccurate, but this is
what my experience has shown through a few 460 swaps. Hope this helps.


Stoney

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 16:07:11 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - found my howl

Well folks, I found my howl, my diff is on its last leg. Im sendin it in to
the shop here in a few days, but if I could get yall to add anything on the
tranny swap, Id appreciate it, I still wanna go to the 4 speed, as these
autos just scare me. Thanks everyone.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 13:20:57 -0700
From: Mike Pacheco
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Old Air Products (was Underdash AC)

I found them right away try...
www.oldairproducts.com
it will give you all the info.

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 19:54:00 EDT
From: MJCETripp aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 460 Distributor Problems

To answer the questions so far........

The wear is centered on the gear face . The depth of the 1/16th wear is the
distance the gear is riding into the other gear and it's about the full depth
of the gear. I looked at an old gear and they are about the same for depth.
There is no galling or discoloration of the gear. No shavings on the gear or
block. No adverse wear on the block. The gear should be able to ride on the
block as designed without obstruction as I can see. The dist has no free
movement up or down in it. I took it apart and made sure everything was
tight, lubed and free moving before instalation.

The heads are not milled, and the block is a stock height 79 casting. I
measured it. I am using Crane Roller fulcrums for the rocker arms, and the
Comp Cams springs recomended for this application.

I will be calling Comp Cams on Monday to see if this requires a hardened
steel gear opposed to the cast type. The instructions for the cam say
nothing about the gear.


Thanks for your help so-far!

Matt T
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:51:08 -0500
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1986 Ford F350 crew cab

Ford Truck Enthusiasts,

First I know that this is a 61-79 Truck list, But. I would like to know
if the group
could give me an idea what my 86 F350 2 wd dually is worth. It has a
fresh rebuild on a 6.9L Diesel, automatic, air, cruise, cloth seats in
good condition, and a 8 ft flat rack. total mileage is 204500. Some rust
is starting on the the front fenders and door bottoms.

Thanks

Jerry
1970 F250 Camper Special, 390 goes like crazy!

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 19:12:40 -0700
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F350 Limo

Hi Guys.
I know that this is a little out of the range of the 61-79 list, but you
guys have got to check out this truck! I saw it last weekend dropping
off kids for prom night. The driver let me and a buddy check out the
inside and it is impressive. He even waited around so that we could run
home real quick and grab a camera. It had 3 carrier bearings
underneath. Any way, the addy is http:/www.excel-limo.com

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Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 22:35:23 -0400
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F250 REAR ID

I am moving a drive train (minus rear axle) from a 78 F250 to a 76 F250. The
78 came with a 460 C6 and 10.5 inch diameter drive shafts.

The target truck, a 76 F250 Supercab has a rear that is close but not
identical to the 78. I see on the 76 truck a '60' stanped on the housing as
well as 0-30256 and 348-73. On the 78, the rear has a 61-2 stamped on it as
well as c38390. My problem is that the yoke on the 76 rear will not support
the larger ujoint diameter of the 78 drive shaft. Length differences may
come into play as well.There is no TAG on any of the rears.

My question is ...will removing the 78 yoke and placing it on the 76 rear
alleviate my problem? Is the spline the same on both units? Obviously not
knowing what I have is the first hurtle.

Thanks

Matt

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:10:22 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F250 REAR ID

Matthew Schwartz wrote:
>
> I am moving a drive train (minus rear axle) from a 78 F250 to a 76 F250. The
> 78 came with a 460 C6 and 10.5 inch diameter drive shafts.
>
> The target truck, a 76 F250 Supercab has a rear that is close but not
> identical to the 78. I see on the 76 truck a '60' stanped on the housing as
> well as 0-30256 and 348-73. On the 78, the rear has a 61-2 stamped on it as
> well as c38390. My problem is that the yoke on the 76 rear will not support
> the larger ujoint diameter of the 78 drive shaft. Length differences may
> come into play as well.There is no TAG on any of the rears.
>
> My question is ...will removing the 78 yoke and placing it on the 76 rear
> alleviate my problem? Is the spline the same on both units? Obviously not
> knowing what I have is the first hurtle.
>
> Thanks
>
> Matt
>
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In some cases, it's possible to buy a combination u-joint. It has two
sizes of caps-one will fit your driveshaft and the other will fit the
rear end. If it'll fit though, I'd change yokes.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 00:23:50 -0400
From: Jimbo
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 15X10 Backspacing

How many inches of backspacing are required for a 35X12.5X15 BFG on a 15X10
rim? This will go on a '76 F100 4WD

Thanks

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 466

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Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:58:03 EDT
From: M351STANG aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

Hello all.
I just checked the numbers on this FE I pulled out of my
pickup. I would like to say it is a FE 427, but a lot of people
tell me it is not. It does not have the Cross bolt no the crank,
but my book of ford motors call it an, early 1965 FE 427.
I am not going to hold my breath for a 427, but it would be nice.
I would love to go back to those people and say it is a 427.
So THANKS to all, your a lot of help, to use who don't know.

Craig J
65 F100 351W, AOD, 4.56 traklock
74 F100 300-6, 3 speed short bed, for the $300.00 in DMV
tags he owed on it.
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Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 01:21:45 -0500
From: "Jason & Kathy Kendrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C5AE-A an FE what??

M351STANG aol.com wrote:
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> Hello all.
> I just checked the numbers on this FE I pulled out of my
> pickup. I would like to say it is a FE 427, but a lot of people
> tell me it is not. It does not have the Cross bolt no the crank,
> but my book of ford motors call it an, early 1965 FE 427.
> I am not going to hold my breath for a 427, but it would be nice.
> I would love to go back to those people and say it is a 427.
> So THANKS to all, your a lot of help, to use who don't know.
>
> Craig J
> 65 F100 351W, AOD, 4.56 traklock
> 74 F100 300-6, 3 speed short bed, for the $300.00 in DMV
> tags he owed on it.
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Craig, all 427's were cross-bolted. 406's from 6/63 to 1/64 were
cross-bolted. Early 406's weren't. According to my numbers, your block
could be a '65 390, or a '65 330 HD truck motor. The numbers also match
a '65 427, but without the cross-bolts, I'd bet it's a '65 390. What is
the casting number on the head? If you take the heads off the block, the....

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