61-79-list-digest Thursday, May 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 154



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Under dash air conditioners
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whatsatruckworth?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Under dash air conditioners
FTE 61-79 - Wrong Address
FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sensoring
RE: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Whatsatruckworth?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot
FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
RE: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4
Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
FTE 61-79 - M-block cylinder head
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
FTE 61-79 - air temp
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1968 F100 cab mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
RE: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4
FTE 61-79 - air temp
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
Re: FTE 61-79 - pto
Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4
RE: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??
Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
FTE 61-79 - Looking for brake drums
Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list
Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block cylinder head
Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest - Whatsatruckworth?
Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4
Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: rustytruck webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Under dash air conditioners

Does anyone out there still sell under dash air conditioners for Ford
trucks? I have a 1978 that you can bake biscuits in during these hot
summers in georgia! If not, how hard would it be to install a factory
air conditioner to a non-air equipped truck? I dont want to tie up a ton
of money in the truck as it has over 300,000 nmiles on it and shows it!
(yes, original engine, try this with a ch& y!)

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:34:16 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whatsatruckworth?

In a message dated 5/6/99 12:26:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fourmuelz email.msn.com writes:

> What is a unibody in fairly rough condition worth?

I do not know but when you find out let me know because I have a 1963 that
fits your description. This question or its variations are posted
frequently: "I saw a truck advertised for $1,500 is that a good deal." Even
assuming we could all see the truck it is almost impossible to give a
definitive answer, but rather a range based upon any intrinsic value it had.
What would the junk man pay for this vehicle as scrap out there? That
should be easily figured and can serve as a base price for the vehicle if you
will. I then assume that any major drive-line component such as the engine,
transmission, rear-end which cannot be verified as in working order is
"junk". If there are any parts that can be salvaged then you need to know
the going rate for them. If there are any "rare" factory options for this
vehicle count them too. Do a quick tally and voila....you have a rough
figure. Knowing nothing about your find I'd say $50-500 but all depending
on what's there.

Here is some more free advice....there are people you will encounter
whom have owned their truck since new or when it saw better days on the road.
They are genuinely intrigued by fools like us who are willing to fix these
things up. If they know your intentions it may help you strike a better
deal.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:22:02 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Under dash air conditioners

Last year I put an underdash A/C in my '67 F100. Got it from Old Air
Products in Fort Worth. Works well. Cost about $800.

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To:
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 6:13 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Under dash air conditioners


> Does anyone out there still sell under dash air conditioners for Ford
> trucks? I have a 1978 that you can bake biscuits in during these hot
> summers in georgia! If not, how hard would it be to install a factory
> air conditioner to a non-air equipped truck? I dont want to tie up a ton
> of money in the truck as it has over 300,000 nmiles on it and shows it!
> (yes, original engine, try this with a ch& y!)
>
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:41:14 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot

It appears to be pretty difficult for my Ford Dealership to come up with the
right shifter boot for this 77-1/2 (lowboy) F-250 4x4 (351, NP 435). He keeps
getting the wrong one, which appears to be the earlier style. The part I'm
looking for has a roughly 7"x8" "footprint". The front "flange" is bent up at
about 45 degrees to accomodate the firewall, and the back "flange" has a
small "hump" in the middle.....

I think he doubts that I am giving him the right info.

The ones we keep getting are significantly smaller.

Anyone have any spares around in good shape????

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 06:51:08 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sensoring

>Weapons grade Uranium has been a little bit expensive here lately so not to
>worry.

It's Plutonium, man, Plutonium...what I'll be using for fuel for the
enginge/reactor in my next Ford Truck project...
Spare parts from the N-Reactor at Hanford will be a cheap parts source.



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:55:41 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??

Make sure you have the correct year instrument cluster... I changed out a
bad stock one, and found that there are at least 3 different versions, with
different pinouts on the harness where it plugs into the instrument cluster.
Some have the "brights on" lite at the top, some at the side. The printed
circut sheets are different too, and some sheets dont interchange with some
cluster housings..... I have some parts left over, so, if you need
something,and I have it, you can have it for shipping costs only.
Colorado Rick

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From: cannandale netpointe.com [mailto:cannandale netpointe.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:24 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??


I decided yesterday that I was going to fix the factory oil pressure guage
and the temp guage and get rid of the aftermarket ones that the previous
owner installed. I located the wires, and they work just fine, I guess the
other guy just wanted aftermarket ones. Anyway, the charging guage, is it
an ammeter or voltmeter? Either way, it dosent do anything, and I want to
fix it, I looked it my Haynes manual (ACK!!), and found a ammeter, but
after looking at the truck, I see the main charging wire goign anywhere
near it. So, whats the best way to fix it? Or at least to see if it
works? Im trying to get all the factory stuff working again..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 07:03:31 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Whatsatruckworth?

Thanks for your message at 07:34 AM 5/6/99 EDT, TBeeee aol.com. Your
message was:
> What would the junk man pay for this vehicle as scrap out there? That
>should be easily figured and can serve as a base price for the vehicle if
you
>will. I then assume that any major drive-line component such as the engine,
>transmission, rear-end which cannot be verified as in working order is
>"junk". If there are any parts that can be salvaged then you need to know
>the going rate for them. If there are any "rare" factory options for this
>vehicle count them too. Do a quick tally and voila....you have a rough
>figure. Knowing nothing about your find I'd say $50-500 but all depending
>on what's there.
Sound advice. I might lower the bottom end, though. I recently picked up
one similar to the description, but with a good running 292 (although no
one involved in the deal realized it at the time). I got it for $20 (no
title). I traded it to for an electric fan for my '62. On a whim, Levi
fired up the engine, something we had generally ignored, assuming it was
rusted up junk.
It purred like a kitten. So who got "taken" more--the guy who sold it to
me for $20, or me, who traded it for practically nothing.

And how did I get started on this long-winded story...Yikes! I have become
my father...
>
>Here is some more free advice....there are people you will encounter
>whom have owned their truck since new or when it saw better days on the
road.
> They are genuinely intrigued by fools like us who are willing to fix these
>things up. If they know your intentions it may help you strike a better
>deal.
Yes, true, but don't get so caught up in your "dream truck" image that you
forget what it actually is now!


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot

Is the boot for the 4x4 or the tranny shifter?





- ---BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
>
> It appears to be pretty difficult for my Ford
Dealership to come up with the
> right shifter boot for this 77-1/2 (lowboy) F-250
4x4 (351, NP 435). He keeps
> getting the wrong one, which appears to be the
earlier style. The part I'm
> looking for has a roughly 7"x8" "footprint". The
front "flange" is bent up at
> about 45 degrees to accomodate the firewall, and
the back "flange" has a
> small "hump" in the middle.....
>
> I think he doubts that I am giving him the right
info.
>
> The ones we keep getting are significantly smaller.
>
> Anyone have any spares around in good shape????
>
> CJ
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:23:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Shifter Boot

Is the boot for the 4x4 or the tranny shifter?





- ---BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>
>
> It appears to be pretty difficult for my Ford
Dealership to come up with the
> right shifter boot for this 77-1/2 (lowboy) F-250
4x4 (351, NP 435). He keeps
> getting the wrong one, which appears to be the
earlier style. The part I'm
> looking for has a roughly 7"x8" "footprint". The
front "flange" is bent up at
> about 45 degrees to accomodate the firewall, and
the back "flange" has a
> small "hump" in the middle.....
>
> I think he doubts that I am giving him the right
info.
>
> The ones we keep getting are significantly smaller.
>
> Anyone have any spares around in good shape????
>
> CJ
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 07:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

Hey ladies and gentalmen,
I figured I would tell you all the vehicals I own
at this time,
1772 F250 4x4 shortbox RANGER (MUD TOY) just rebuilt
and repainted W' 36" mud tires, rollbar,6 KC Lites,
brush gaurd,3ton Warren wench, new paint, 460ci W' C6
auto, and toatal of 24" lift.

1972 F250 Sport Custom 4x2 360ci 4spd manual, brush
gaurd, KC Lites, toolbox.

1965 Chevy 4x4 (mud toy) 454ci 5spd man, rollbar, KC
Lites, 36" tires, 10"lift.

1984 Chevy 1ton Dule 12' flatbed, 400ci 4spd.

1977 F250 ranger Custom Cab, 390 C6 auto, All stock

1950 Chevy PU, Rebuilding in Progress is getting a
490ci ford motorand 4x4.

Thats all.
Texas





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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 08:52:12 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4

I have been looking for one too, settled for 2wd crew, still have not found
even a frame. I will likely end up doing a front stub on my frame.....

Colorado Rick p.s. Anybody got a 2wd or 4wd crew frame around?


Jeff Grant writes: >>i need to find a fairly nice and dependable 78-79
f250 4x4 king cab or crew cab, preferably in the southeast.

Yo Jeff.
Half the people in the Free World are looking for one of these. I've been
on
the lookout for one for 5 or so years. Haven't had much luck. I've found a
few, but all were waaaay overpriced imho, for what they had. All were
pretty
well beat up or rusted out or both.
Good luck, but if you happen to run across two of them, keep me in mind for
the
one you don't choose, please.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:08:31 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

>1984 Chevy 1ton Dule 12' flatbed, 400ci 4spd.

Yo Dudes:

An M-block in a Ch*vy!! Now that's cooool....

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 09:18:26 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-block cylinder head

>From: Brent Cole
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave R. Christens another M-Block
>
>The hole which the steel tube runs is
>connected to the thermactor ports
>inside the exhaust port on the 460s.
> Oddly I don't recall seeing them on
>my m block. If they are the are
>disguised differently than my 460.
>Anyone else know?
>
>>On 460's, this is the air pump port, but IIRC they
>>are at both ends of the heads.

Yo Brent & Pat:

I looked at my M-block heads in the garage last night and apparently the hole is
at only one end of the head. The hole is just around the corner from the last
head bolt on the right end of the head (as you face the exhaust side). When the
heads are mounted on the block, the hole points toward the front on the right
side head, toward the rear on the left side head.

As I mentioned before, I have never seen an M-block smog setup that uses these
holes. I will agree w/ Pat's speculation that they are probably remnants of a
drilled passage that connects the Thermactor ports along the length of the head.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 09:46:16 PDT
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: [none]

>>I've got a 68 F100 in pretty good shape except for a couple of areas
>>under the cab. the right front cab mount has a large hole (rust) >>that
>>isn't meant to be there, and the "crossmember" that goes from >>side to
>>side for the rear cab mounts (I think) is rusted out on >>both ends. Does
>>anyone know if there are parts available to fix these areas? Thanks.
Jim in Canada

I just got finished replacing the right front cab mount on my '70 f-250
4x4. ( I bashed the old one in during a trip across lake huron in march)
I got the replacement part at the local parts jobber for $33 Canadian
including taxes. The replacement is a bit different from the original, as
it extends under the floor of the cab and can be bolted or welded on. I
bolted it on with nine 5/16 bolts It was a "made in taiwan" part but it
went on ok and fit well. The total job only took me 2 hours.

Don Jones
1970 f-250 4x4 ~~Fordzilla~
1985 f-150 supercab (i gotta get busy and sell that thing....)


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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 12:20:51 -0500
From: Mike Selvey
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

Howdy, Ford Truck fans-

I've just discovered this list, and it looks great! I've owned a 1965 F100 Custom
Cab with 352 V8 and 4-speed for around nine years. A friend in Colorado found it
for me, and did a valve job on it, then traded it to me for a motorcycle. It had
minimal rust, but apparent body work and repaint done to the LH quarter panel and
hood. When I got it, it had 109K (maybe 209K?) on the clock. I have since put
another 50,000 miles on it, using it when I couldn't ride my bike, and going to
motorcycle rallies, usually pulling a trailer.

It has needed the usual parts over that length of time, i.e. starter, master
cylinder, battery, muffler, solenoid, etc. The "dealer-installed" underdash A/C
quit about the first year, and I couldn't find anyone competent enough to fix it.
It would run well with new freon for about a day, then poop out. I gave up on using
it, and have a handy dash mounted fan now (Texas heat, don't ya know!).

Five years ago, it started to leak at the LH exhaust manifold. I had it
repaired. Two years later, same thing. I had it repaired. The engine is now
getting very tired, blowing smoke upon start up and heavy acceleration, getting much
worse mileage (5 or 6 MPG), and has now started leaking again at the manifold. I
have to put a quart of oil in it every 100 miles or so. It is now just serving time
hauling my yard trash to the dump.

The truck is in average stock condition for a truck of its age, and I am in no shape
financially to attempt restoring this vehicle. As well as it has served me, my
motorcycles usually eat up any minimal spare "restoration" funds I have.

So, I need some advice. What is my best plan of action with this truck? What are
my alternatives? A "beater" truck with good running gear would be more useful to me
for hauling motorcycles than a potentially "classic" truck like this. Would you
spend the money on a complete rebuild of the existing 352, or explore the
possibility of finding a "junkyard" motor to put in it? If so, which Ford blocks
will fit in this truck and bolt up to the existing 4-speed?

If I had nothing but money, I'd like to put a newer motor in it, power steering,
power brakes, an automatic transmission, and completely restore the truck
cosmetically. Unfortunately, this poor boy ain't gonna be able to do it in this
lifetime. Too many kids, broken down motorcycles, you know the drill.......

Advice, opinions, trade offers, motor offers, encouragement, flames all gratefully
accepted!

Thanks in advance.

Mike Selvey
Nacogdoches, TX
'65 F100 Custom Cab-352V8-4 speed

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 13:17:42 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air temp

Bryan,

An R12 system typically has a 20 degree F drop across he cooling coils when
working properly. In other words, if it is 85 in your cab, your center vent
should be blowing 65. You should have your system on recirculate and the
fan on high to check this. Most systems require at least 1000 rpms, too. I
would assume an R134 system has a similar factor.

Oh yeah, the capillary tube should be wrapped once you get it where it
belongs. If left open to the atmosphere, it does not change temps with the
system and calls for too high of freon flow (more cooling), causing icing.

- -John

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:30:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1968 F100 cab mounts

>I've got a 68 F100 in pretty good shape except for a couple of areas
>under the cab. the right front cab mount has a large hole (rust) that
>isn't meant to be there, and the "crossmember" that goes from side to
>side for the rear cab mounts (I think) is rusted out on both ends. Does
>anyone know if there are parts available to fix these areas? Thanks.

I had this done on my 73 F100 4x4 a year or so ago, all the parts were
available from the local parts store, you just have to talk nice to them,
and get the book with the good stuff out from under the counter. The
expensive part is having them put in, that's pricey.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:31:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

Tony danced on his keyboard and came up with:

> Hey ladies and gentalmen,
> I figured I would tell you all the vehicals I own
> at this time,
> 1772 F250 4x4 shortbox RANGER (MUD TOY) just rebuilt
^^^^

Wow! That's one old truck! Musthave been 'ol granpa
George Washington Ford's original ride across the
Potomac! I wonder if it had any y1.8k, or y1.9k
problems?
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:32:59 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??

>I decided yesterday that I was going to fix the factory oil pressure guage
>and the temp guage and get rid of the aftermarket ones that the previous
>owner installed. I located the wires, and they work just fine, I guess the
>other guy just wanted aftermarket ones. Anyway, the charging guage, is it
>an ammeter or voltmeter? Either way, it dosent do anything, and I want to
>fix it, I looked it my Haynes manual (ACK!!), and found a ammeter, but
>after looking at the truck, I see the main charging wire goign anywhere
>near it. So, whats the best way to fix it? Or at least to see if it
>works? Im trying to get all the factory stuff working again..
>

BTDT, P.O. did that to me too, aftermarket pod, but full gauges on the
dash. The ammeter/voltmeter (depends on year and options I think, though
not positive) doesn't ever move much when they are set up from the factory,
at least not in the experience I've had with various Ford's. If you put a
load on suddenly and watch close you might see the needle move, the only
time mine's really active is if I'm jump starting someone, or my battery is
low, then it moves, otherwise if it twitches I"m amazed.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:31:28 -0500
From: "Corey Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

Not sure how far the money situation goes but I just had my 352 from my '66 F100 rebuilt
for $600. Was well worth it for me.. as I am in the same boat.. only other vehicle is
my '84 Magna which gets old real fast in 40 deg weather and rain!



Mike Selvey wrote:

> Howdy, Ford Truck fans-
>
> I've just discovered this list, and it looks great! I've owned a 1965 F100 Custom
> Cab with 352 V8 and 4-speed for around nine years. A friend in Colorado found it
> for me, and did a valve job on it, then traded it to me for a motorcycle. It had
> minimal rust, but apparent body work and repaint done to the LH quarter panel and
> hood. When I got it, it had 109K (maybe 209K?) on the clock. I have since put
> another 50,000 miles on it, using it when I couldn't ride my bike, and going to
> motorcycle rallies, usually pulling a trailer.
>
> It has needed the usual parts over that length of time, i.e. starter, master
> cylinder, battery, muffler, solenoid, etc. The "dealer-installed" underdash A/C
> quit about the first year, and I couldn't find anyone competent enough to fix it.
> It would run well with new freon for about a day, then poop out. I gave up on using
> it, and have a handy dash mounted fan now (Texas heat, don't ya know!).
>
> Five years ago, it started to leak at the LH exhaust manifold. I had it
> repaired. Two years later, same thing. I had it repaired. The engine is now
> getting very tired, blowing smoke upon start up and heavy acceleration, getting much
> worse mileage (5 or 6 MPG), and has now started leaking again at the manifold. I
> have to put a quart of oil in it every 100 miles or so. It is now just serving time
> hauling my yard trash to the dump.
>
> The truck is in average stock condition for a truck of its age, and I am in no shape
> financially to attempt restoring this vehicle. As well as it has served me, my
> motorcycles usually eat up any minimal spare "restoration" funds I have.
>
> So, I need some advice. What is my best plan of action with this truck? What are
> my alternatives? A "beater" truck with good running gear would be more useful to me
> for hauling motorcycles than a potentially "classic" truck like this. Would you
> spend the money on a complete rebuild of the existing 352, or explore the
> possibility of finding a "junkyard" motor to put in it? If so, which Ford blocks
> will fit in this truck and bolt up to the existing 4-speed?
>
> If I had nothing but money, I'd like to put a newer motor in it, power steering,
> power brakes, an automatic transmission, and completely restore the truck
> cosmetically. Unfortunately, this poor boy ain't gonna be able to do it in this
> lifetime. Too many kids, broken down motorcycles, you know the drill.......
>
> Advice, opinions, trade offers, motor offers, encouragement, flames all gratefully
> accepted!
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike Selvey
> Nacogdoches, TX
> '65 F100 Custom Cab-352V8-4 speed
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:46:14 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

>Howdy, Ford Truck fans-
>
>I've just discovered this list, and it looks great! I've owned a 1965 F100
>Custom
>Cab with 352 V8 and 4-speed for around nine years. A friend in Colorado
>If I had nothing but money, I'd like to put a newer motor in it, power
>steering,
>power brakes, an automatic transmission, and completely restore the truck
>cosmetically. Unfortunately, this poor boy ain't gonna be able to do it in
>this

well this is always a debate when an old friend has seen better days and
needs some help. I chose to find a 390 to put in to my truck (leaving me a
360 if anyone needs/wants it). I had some custom stuff done, but for a bit
more than the price of another beater truck you can probably rebuild/repair
yours. I wanted mine done right and not in a hurry at all (as you can tell
'cause its still going on), so I paid a little extra for some stuff I'm
sure, but I bet if you did it right you could do it fairly cheaply.

Another option is a used motor, I never have a lot of luck with used stuff
like this, but hte price is right, if the used piece is going to hold out
for a while you can put it in, and if it doesn't sound like its gonna last
fix your other, that way the truck is still in commission.

Its a 65, so I think the motor mounts are on the sides, if so, then a
352/360/390/410/428 will fit in just like the 352 did (and they'll still
say 352 below the left head on the block most likely) I think they wanted
like 400 bucks for one around here that ran but burned a little oil.

Hope this helps you out ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:21:49 -0500
From: Mike Selvey
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

Corey Johnson wrote:

> Not sure how far the money situation goes but I just had my 352 from my '66 F100 rebuilt
> for $600. Was well worth it for me.. as I am in the same boat.. only other vehicle is
> my '84 Magna which gets old real fast in 40 deg weather and rain!
>

Corey-

Thanks for the tip! I haven't gotten a quote around my neck of Deep East Texas that was
anything short of twice the amount you got your engine rebuilt for! $600 might be within
spittin' distance, anyway. At least you have a Magna! Try to ride an ol' British bike in
the rain with Lucas Electrics!

Mike Selvey
Nacogdoches, TX
'65 F100 Custom Cab - 352 - 4speed

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:28:14 -0500
From: Mike Selvey
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

William S Hart wrote:

>
>
> Another option is a used motor, I never have a lot of luck with used stuff
> like this, but hte price is right, if the used piece is going to hold out
> for a while you can put it in, and if it doesn't sound like its gonna last
> fix your other, that way the truck is still in commission.
>
> Its a 65, so I think the motor mounts are on the sides, if so, then a
> 352/360/390/410/428 will fit in just like the 352 did (and they'll still
> say 352 below the left head on the block most likely) I think they wanted
> like 400 bucks for one around here that ran but burned a little oil.
>
> Hope this helps you out ...
>

Wish-

Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for, was the various other Ford
blocks that could work in place of the 352. I would indeed prefer to rebuild,
but the prices around here are prohibitive, so I'm probably gonna take my
chances on a used one, and see if I can get a few more years out of her.

Wish me luck......

Mike Selvey
Nacogdoches,TX
1965 F100 - 352 - 4speed

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:31:50 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4

At 08:52 AM 5/6/99 -0600, you wrote:
>I have been looking for one too, settled for 2wd crew, still have not found
>even a frame. I will likely end up doing a front stub on my frame.....
>
>Colorado Rick p.s. Anybody got a 2wd or 4wd crew frame around?
>
>
My son Bud has a 79 frame he bought cause it has a bed on it he wants.
Don't know if it's extended cab or crew cab, 2wd or 4wd. If you can give me
some rough measurements or another way to check it I'll have him find out
for you. Rearends still under it I know, pretty sure he said front disc
brakes. Price is right, just take it (once he has the bed off). Thought
about cutting front end off a keep for the discs, but I've got way too many
projects going now. Let me know if interested.

Stoney

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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 13:37:15 -0700
From: "Bryan Kirking"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air temp

hey John, thanks for that tid bit.
After repositioning my capillary tube, the icing appears to be stopped and I am about 20 below cab temp.

I don't know what you mean by wrapping the capilliary tube, can you explain?

Azie has suggested compressor/controll and cycling problems that I am still investigating. I am attaching a light bulb to the clutch wire so I will know when is cylces on and off.




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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 22:46:18 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......

Hi,

Do you do the work yourself and only need the parts ? Or do you need to
have all done by the machine shop ?

Bill



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> From: Mike Selvey
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newby with questions......
> Date: 6. mai 1999 21:28
>
>
>
> William S Hart wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Another option is a used motor, I never have a lot of luck with used
stuff
> > like this, but hte price is right, if the used piece is going to hold
out
> > for a while you can put it in, and if it doesn't sound like its gonna
last
> > fix your other, that way the truck is still in commission.
> >
> > Its a 65, so I think the motor mounts are on the sides, if so, then a
> > 352/360/390/410/428 will fit in just like the 352 did (and they'll
still
> > say 352 below the left head on the block most likely) I think they
wanted
> > like 400 bucks for one around here that ran but burned a little oil.
> >
> > Hope this helps you out ...
> >
>
> Wish-
>
> Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for, was the various other
Ford
> blocks that could work in place of the 352. I would indeed prefer to
rebuild,
> but the prices around here are prohibitive, so I'm probably gonna take my
> chances on a used one, and see if I can get a few more years out of her.
>
> Wish me luck......
>
> Mike Selvey
> Nacogdoches,TX
> 1965 F100 - 352 - 4speed
>
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:13:27 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pto

I have a shaft driven braden pto winch in my 74 crew cab 4x4. I love it
but i have had to remove the shaft and straighten it out once or twice.
my only fear is i will rip the shaft out in the bush and get stuck.

a sight to look at is pto.net they sell some neet stuff.
And try www.paccar.com/winch. they make the good old braden winch.

It is a shame i passed up a god used one complete with pto for $500.00
Canadian a few weeks ago...

(Funny i have a father who is a machinist)

Nick Jessee wrote:
>
> I have a 77 250 4x4 and i was wondering about a winch im between the
> milemarker hydralic and a pto winch does anyone have any ideas where i
> can find a pto winch and what are the pros/cons of a pto winch.......Im
> a machinist so special parts/brackets are a piece of cake
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 16:24:13 -0700
From: Michael Kakuschke
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4

This is our first time trying to post on this list so here goes. Just
thought I would drop a line and let you know that crewcabs are out there,
or that we hit the jackpot the day we found it??!! Just bought a 79 F250
4x4 crew cab for $4000.00. The truck is in parts. Cab is painted and clear
coated, front doors are NOS and in primer, we got 2 sets of perfect rear
doors. Front clip is in primer, no rust or filler. Rust free/dent free
southern short box. The truck has 36" super swampers and a 4" lift. Most
chrome is NOS, race track. It has beed updated with a/c, tilt and cruise.
Included 2 large radiators, tons of extra parts, all ready to be finished.
Basically just needs to be assembeled and painted. Also will have to
shorten frame 5"as the chassis started out life as a exteneded cab long
box. My husband looked at the new super dutys......but just couldn't see
what they were asking for them. We plan to finish painting it with the race
track chrome with orange in the middle and black on the top and bottom.

Does this sound like a good deal to you??


At 01:47 AM 5/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
>i know what you mean, have you seen the one in the truck trader for 12 g's?
>doesn't even look nice. i have an ext cab, thinking of putting it on my
>chassis , but thats a project, right now i need to find a good one to drive.
>
>thanks,
>jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:23:49 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??

i checked to make sure that it is the right one, i found that out the hard
wya that they have diffrent plug setups on the back, this came out of the
same year truck, just a f150. But if i do need anything, ill throw you a
mail.. :)

thanx,
cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 10:00 AM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Make sure you have the correct year instrument cluster... I changed out a
>bad stock one, and found that there are at least 3 different versions, with
>different pinouts on the harness where it plugs into the instrument cluster.
>Some have the "brights on" lite at the top, some at the side. The printed
>circut sheets are different too, and some sheets dont interchange with some
>cluster housings..... I have some parts left over, so, if you need
>something,and I have it, you can have it for shipping costs only.
>Colorado Rick
>
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>Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 7:24 PM
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Voltmeter or Ammeter??
>
>
>I decided yesterday that I was going to fix the factory oil pressure guage
>and the temp guage and get rid of the aftermarket ones that the previous
>owner installed. I located the wires, and they work just fine, I guess the
>other guy just wanted aftermarket ones. Anyway, the charging guage, is it
>an ammeter or voltmeter? Either way, it dosent do anything, and I want to
>fix it, I looked it my Haynes manual (ACK!!), and found a ammeter, but
>after looking at the truck, I see the main charging wire goign anywhere
>near it. So, whats the best way to fix it? Or at least to see if it
>works? Im trying to get all the factory stuff working again..
>
>cannandale
>'78 F250 4x4, 460
>
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:25:24 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

it could be a 400 chevy smallblock..

cannadale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:15 AM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>1984 Chevy 1ton Dule 12' flatbed, 400ci 4spd.
>
>Yo Dudes:
>
>An M-block in a Ch*vy!! Now that's cooool....
>
>Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:32:56 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

No doubt it is...I think Dave had his tongue firmly in his cheek when he
said it.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 4:23 PM
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>it could be a 400 chevy smallblock..
>



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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Looking for brake drums

My handicapped friend has a '79 Ford E350 Super van. He's looking for
rear brake drums for it. It has single rear wheels and the drums are 12"
x 3". He bought a pair from one with duals, but they won't work, and the
guy wouldn't give his money back. Ones off a '77-'80 F350 will work too
(maybe newer). Anyone that knows of some, please let me know, or if
you're interested in the other drums too.

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:39:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Carnuck webtv.net (James Blair)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -Total vehical list

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I had a 400 Ford in my '79 Bobcat hatchback!

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it could be a 400 chevy smallblock..

cannadale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:15 AM 5/6/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>1984 Chevy 1ton Dule 12' flatbed, 400ci 4spd.
>
>Yo Dudes:
>
>An M-block in a Ch*vy!! Now that's cooool....
>
>Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
>
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Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:04:11 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M-block cylinder head

I went out and looked at both of my Mblocks, both 400s from different years
but with the heads still on without brackets on the front. I can't find any
holes. Does it have a freeze plug in it or anything? How big is it again?
It may just be under the goop. I'll look again when it stops raining.

Brent

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To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 11:30 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M-block cylinder head


>>From: Brent Cole
>>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dave R. Christens another M-Block
>>
>>The hole which the steel tube runs is
>>connected to the thermactor ports
>>inside the exhaust port on the 460s.
>> Oddly I don't recall seeing them on
>>my m block. If they are the are
>>disguised differently than my 460.
>>Anyone else know?
>>
>>>On 460's, this is the air pump port, but IIRC they
>>>are at both ends of the heads.
>
>Yo Brent & Pat:
>
>I looked at my M-block heads in the garage last night and apparently the
hole is
>at only one end of the head. The hole is just around the corner from the
last
>head bolt on the right end of the head (as you face the exhaust side).
When the
>heads are mounted on the block, the hole points toward the front on the
right
>side head, toward the rear on the left side head.
>
>As I mentioned before, I have never seen an M-block smog setup that uses
these
>holes. I will agree w/ Pat's speculation that they are probably remnants
of a
>drilled passage that connects the Thermactor ports along the length of the
head.
>
>Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 16:00:54 -0800
From: "Erik Marquez"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4

yes it does.... care to sell it for $4,500 ????? :-)

Erik Marquez
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From: Michael Kakuschke
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "78/'79 crewcab 4X4


>This is our first time trying to post on this list so here goes. Just
>thought I would drop a line and let you know that crewcabs are out there,
>or that we hit the jackpot the day we found it??!! Just bought a 79 F250
>4x4 crew cab for $4000.00. The truck is in parts. Cab is painted and clear
>coated, front doors are NOS and in primer, we got 2 sets of perfect rear
>doors. Front clip is in primer, no rust or filler. Rust free/dent free
>southern short box. The truck has 36" super swampers and a 4" lift. Most
>chrome is NOS, race track. It has beed updated with a/c, tilt and cruise.
>Included 2 large radiators, tons of extra parts, all ready to be finished.
>Basically just needs to be assembeled and painted. Also will have to
>shorten frame 5"as the chassis started out life as a exteneded cab long
>box. My husband looked at the new super dutys......but just couldn't see
>what they were asking for them. We plan to finish painting it with the race
>track chrome with orange in the middle and black on the top and bottom.
>
>Does this sound like a good deal to you??
>
>
>At 01:47 AM 5/6/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>i know what you mean, have you seen the one in the truck trader for 12
g's?
>>doesn't even look nice. i have an ext cab, thinking of putting it on my
>>chassis , but thats a project, right now i need to find a good one to
drive.
>>
>>thanks,
>>jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 18:07:18 -0700
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest - Whatsatruckworth?

"My neighbor has a Unibody that needs a new home.
The engine is original and shot.
The hood has rusted through in the usual spot (Front).
The Cab has cancer. the fenders and bed have it too!
None has perforated yet that I can see.
Truck is in Portland, Or.
What is a unibody in fairly rough condition worth?

TIA
Muel"

There's a '63 short box unibody with 302 and automatic, the only rust is on....


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