61-79-list-digest Wednesday, May 5 1999 Volume 03 : Number 152



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - alternator
FTE 61-79 - sick FE / flat cam
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
FTE 61-79 - PRCA Mudflaps
FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures
Re: FTE 61-79 - PRCA Mudflaps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield seals
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures
FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures
RE: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
Re: FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question/Pony Carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - re- Cam choice for 300/oil
FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereos
FTE 61-79 - VIN
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside
Re: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside
Re: FTE 61-79 - alternator
Re: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside
FTE 61-79 - amber turn signals
FTE 61-79 - Barry and his 300 I6
FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures
FTE 61-79 - Oops!
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank Capacity
FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank Capacity
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box Driver's Side ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio
FTE 61-79 - Splatter, but rumble good
FTE 61-79 - '65 progress!!
FTE 61-79 - steering swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - steering swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Splatter, but rumble good
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine and Tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN
FTE 61-79 - wanted 78-79 f250 4x4 ext cab/crew cab
FTE 61-79 - seat upholstery vinyl and foam rubber
FTE 61-79 - Spare Parts
FTE 61-79 - Cam ID ,stuck pistons

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:21:30 -0400
From: "Upchurch, Jason"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - alternator

Thanks allot Pat! I really appreciate the schematic. Well you wanted to
hear the sob-story so hear we go. I was 16 years old and I had a 79 P/U.
FORD of course, and I total lost it, in mint condition. 2 years later my
Dad and I run across this old man with a beat up looking old 65 F-100. Had
a 302 with all of the goodies, 4 bbl, big lunati cam, the works. It went
away from here after I out ran a buddies 64 1/2 Falcon, Stomped him to say
the least, and POW away from here went the bottom end. In sense the bearing
test failed. :-( SO --- 2 more years later I find a 300 that has been
freshly redone and a cruise-a-matic tranny. In it goes only to find that
the charging system no longer seems to work. SO naturally I roll on down to
Napa and get a voltage regulator and alternator. Put them both on and
discover there is this wire hanging there near the regulator. I check the
output on the charging system after the reg. and we have 14 volts, at the
alternator we have pretty close to 16. So this looks good to me--WRONG
smoke flies from the engine compartment--wholly sh**. Look and see the wire
with 7 volts on it has touched the regulator and has smoked the wires. So
one more trip to the auto parts store. 1- new alternator 2- new regulator
3- roll of electrical tape, with all of these done my system is charging
like a 99 Cobra, no prob what so ever except for that pesky 7 volt wire and
a red "alt" light in the dash.
Help me somebody- tell me what this wire is and what it has to do with that
red light before I take my whole dash apart just to put a "blown" bulb in
that socket!
Please help me
Once again Thanks for the schematic there PAT!
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:27:28 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sick FE / flat cam

J.S.H.

The easiest, no better make that surest, way to spot flat camshaft lobes is
to take the valve covers off. First disable the ignition and either use a
remote starter switch or an assistant and turn the engine over. Watch the
rocker arm and valve movement. A flat lobe will not open a valve nor move
the rocker arm much. You can actually run an engine with the valve covers
off, but it can get messy and I wouldn't reccomend it for the
inexperienced. A sloppy chain will also cause timing variations. As the cam
lags and jerks along so does the distriibutor.

Settling on a loose timing chain is pretty much an excercise in logic. If
the engine has over 80K miles, I would suspect possible problems. You can
get unusual backfires from a loose chain as well as a lot of "putt putt" at
the exhaust pipe. Unfortunately, a lot of other things have the same
symptoms.

Did this poor performance just happen all of a sudden or did it sneak up on
you? If it happened all of a sudden, look at the things you worked on last.
If it happened over time, suspect worn engine components.

- -John

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 07:56:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

>Does anyone know wheather or not a AM/FM, cassette, CD, stereo out of a '98
>Explorer, would possibly fit into a '73-'79 F-100 dash without alot of
>cutting?

If the CD portion is like that in my 'stang, then there is no way they will
both fit (2 separate units for me), but you may be able to fit one. I have
(somewhere) a support that I have cut to accept a pull out, though I've
never installed it .... sometime in the next couple of years I'll probably
get around to trying something like that.

Good luck on the install, lemme know how things are workin...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:20:24 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PRCA Mudflaps

I have some bad news regarding the mudflaps. I contacted the tack shop
again and she said that she hasn't been able to get them for a few years.
She tried to track them down, but the manufacturer doesn't have the license
agreement with PRCA any more. So she had called PRCA and they don't have
anyone making them currently and have no plans to start again.

Sorry. If I see a spare set I'll grab them, but everyone is rather attached
to their PRCA mudflaps (as you can imagine).

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get you all wound-up for nuthin'.

Marty


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:22:24 -0700
From: "Bryan Kirking"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures

I have just recently installed an indash 134a AC/heat unit into my 66.

When first starting the truck and AC, the temperature at the vent closest to the AC unit drops to the low 30's within a few minutes.

However, after driving for about 5 or 10 minutes, the temperature at the same vent begins to slowly increase. After about 20 or 25 minutes, the vent temperature will be in the low 50's! (Outside temp in the upper 70s).

Has anyone else noticed this type of behavour? I first suspected my heater valve was leaking and so I disconnected the heater hose but it has not made a difference.


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:30:55 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PRCA Mudflaps

*sniffle* No PRCA mudflaps? That sucks! Well, thanks for tryin, we really
appreciate it anyways!! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:59:39 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield seals

Thanks for your message at 09:38 PM 5/3/99 -0700, Josh Twichel. Your
message was:
> If your looking for the windshield gasket or the back glass gasket
>you might find them less expensive at your local "glass shop." I
>installed auto glass for 3 1/2 years and the quality of gaskets we used
>were very high. (OEM or better) We used the "Precision Parts" brand,
>which is very common through out the country in glass shops.
> The cost varied for the gaskets depending upon which kind of trim
>was used on the seal, such as: real chrome inserts, black or "fake
>chrome" locking strip, or plain, with no locking strip. In other words
>three types of windshield gaskets for 73-79 Fords.

I can second that! When I had the windshield installed on my '62, the
rubber was $60--less expensive than mail order (at least the ones I found).
That was for a "plain jane" gasket. Seems to be very high quality, and I
like to do business locally whenever I can without being stupid about it...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 08:54:48 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures

>When first starting the truck and AC, the temperature at the vent closest to
>the AC unit drops to the low 30's within a few minutes.
>
>However, after driving for about 5 or 10 minutes, the temperature at the
>same vent begins to slowly increase. After about 20 or 25 minutes, the vent
>temperature will be in the low 50's! (Outside temp in the upper 70s).
>
>Has anyone else noticed this type of behavour? I first suspected my heater
>valve was leaking and so I disconnected the heater hose but it has not made
>a difference.

Have you checked all the vents and everything ? Sounds like maybe things
aren't circulating, isn't there usually a drain of some sort on A/C
systems? Maybe that's plugged, or running uphill...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:23:44 EDT
From: REvans8341 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question

O.K., here it comes, so please don't laugh... I need the point gap,
dwell, timing and carb adjustment specs for a 72 302 with manual choke 2V
carb from Ponycarb in New York....Thanks to all in advance
Bob
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 09:59:19 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question

> O.K., here it comes, so please don't laugh... I need the point gap,
>dwell, timing and carb adjustment specs for a 72 302 with manual choke 2V
>carb from Ponycarb in New York....Thanks to all in advance

We get this a lot, so I've kind of started a page on this, if you could
give me feedback that would be great. The only number I'm not sure of on
the page is the dwell so far, its close, and I can check it tonight when I
get home, the page is

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/tech/tuneup/tune.html

Hope that helps you out, if you've got any questions or problems with the
page, feel free to email me. This goes for everyone who's lookin at the
page too! I know Mike is helpin me out with it, and it still needs some
work, but it should get you going for starters ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:14:29 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures

Bryan, Check to see if the evaporator coil is icing up. Also do you have ice
on the suction line going all the way back to the compressor? If that's the
case you might have too much freon IMHO.
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"



Bryan sez.....
>I have just recently installed an indash 134a AC/heat unit into my 66.
>
>When first starting the truck and AC, the temperature at the vent closest
to the AC unit drops to the low 30's within a few minutes.
>
>However, after driving for about 5 or 10 minutes, the temperature at the
same vent begins to slowly increase. After about 20 or 25 minutes, the vent
temperature will be in the low 50's! (Outside temp in the upper 70s).
>
>Has anyone else noticed this type of behavour? I first suspected my heater
valve was leaking and so I disconnected the heater hose but it has not made
a difference.



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:13:42 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

I have one of these in my 78....... The main problem is that there is now
way to properly mount a Din Chassis in the Heater control/ radio mount
plate.... The hole required is wider than the bracket, I built a din chassis
mount out of sheet metal and rivited it to the factory bracket. Worked so
well that the last time my truck was stolen and stripped the thievs took
that bracket and left me most of the truck........

CB

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> From:L7514 aol.com [SMTP:L7514 aol.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, May 04, 1999 5:01 AM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
>
> Does anyone know wheather or not a AM/FM, cassette, CD, stereo out of a
> '98
> Explorer, would possibly fit into a '73-'79 F-100 dash without alot of
> cutting?
> Any ideas greatly appreciated.
> L7514 aol.com
> 74 Custom
> 79 Ranger
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:43:15 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Basic Tune up Question/Pony Carb

In a message dated 5/4/99 10:32:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
REvans8341 aol.com writes:

> O.K., here it comes, so please don't laugh... I need the point gap,
> dwell, timing and carb adjustment specs for a 72 302 with manual choke
> 2V carb from Ponycarb in New York....Thanks to all in advance

Points .017
Dwell 26-30
Timing 6 BTDC
Idle Speed 850/500 Manual Trans
600 Auto Trans.

These seetings are initial specs from a chilton bookand assumes that
you have a stock engine in good condition.As far as carb specs: Pony
carb should have given you a data sheet. As I understand their web site-
they run test the carb and pre-set to your specific engine. You may want to
contact them for specifics.
Pony
Carburetors - Your Ford Carburetor Restoration Specialists.


BTW- Are you pleased with the Pony carb (I assume it is an Autolite
2100)? Did you get the concours plated version? What did they soak you if I
may ask? I have been thinking of having them do one of mine. Feedback from
anyone would be appreciated

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:02:40 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

>Dennis Pearson
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
>
>>Both the Cleveland intake manifold and the
>>M-block intake manifold have a Thermactor
>>AIR passage that runs across the manifold
>>and feeds air into the AIR ports on the
>>cylinder heads (which cross through the
>>head to the exhaust ports on the other side).
>
>What years did this happen on the 351C ?
>I don't have that on mine (a '71,
>I believe).

Yo Dennis:

It started in the first year of production, 1970, on CA vehicles. Not sure when
it started elsewhere. I believe all OEM factory 351C intake manifolds have the
Thermactor provision. If it's blocked off, there'll be a big pipe threaded plug
(about an inch across the top) on top of the manifold, just in front of the #1
cylinder intake runner on the right front.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 09:53:05 -0700
From: "Barry Renfro"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re- Cam choice for 300/oil

I have arecent catalog from summit but no cams listed for 300's, oil of
wintergreen is available at you local drug store, be careful and don't get
any in your eyes. best penetrating oil i've ever seen.

Barry

69 F100 Styleside
300 w3 on tree
soon to have o'drive

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:24:17 -0400
From: "George W. Selby, III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereos

I agree with the post about power artings, and will expand upon it.
Different power ratings are usually available in the owners manual. One
will be like 300 Watts at 10% distortion at 1Khz for 10 sec. Next will be
150 Watts at 1% distortion,at 1 Khz RMS contiouous. The last will be 75
Watts 10hz-20khz RMS, .01% distortion. All three ratings are correct. The
75 watt one is probably the most accurate. When comparing amps just make
sure you are comparing the same specs (apples to oranges) and not peak
power to RMS power. Just for anyone who is curious these are the ratings
for the Proton Amp I have. In addition it has 300 Watt at .1% 10hz-20Khz
for 1 sec, this is due to the capicators. Notice by holding at the 300
watt level for 10 secs, the distortion increases to 10%, and the frequency
range decreases.

George

78 F-150 400, 4 on floor, 4x4

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:11:30 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN

How can I find out the year of a Ford pickup truck from the VIN number,
talking about in the sixties ?

Bill




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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 10:38:35 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

>Yo Dennis:
>
>It started in the first year of production, 1970, on CA vehicles. Not
sure when
>it started elsewhere. I believe all OEM factory 351C intake manifolds
have the
>Thermactor provision. If it's blocked off, there'll be a big pipe
threaded plug
>(about an inch across the top) on top of the manifold, just in front of
the #1
>cylinder intake runner on the right front.
>
Thanks. I'll check when I go home this afternoon...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:41:51 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside

Fordman writes: >>call me old fashioned but I myself, refer to
those as fleet side and step sides!!!!

Wasn't Fleetside and Stepside GM designations while FOMOCO used Styleside and
Flareside???

That's the way I remember it anyway.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:40:36 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside

This is almost as bad as calling Traction-loc diff a posi diff.
Or "Mustang Camaro, same thing..."
If your truck overhears you using GM terms to refer to it, it will not be
happy!!
-srw

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'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'65 F100

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To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 10:41 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside


> Fordman writes: >>call me old fashioned but I myself, refer to
> those as fleet side and step sides!!!!
>
> Wasn't Fleetside and Stepside GM designations while FOMOCO used Styleside
and
> Flareside???
>
> That's the way I remember it anyway.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - alternator

Jason wrote:

[Smoke and tape deleted]

> with 7 volts on it has touched the regulator and has smoked the wires. So
> one more trip to the auto parts store. 1- new alternator 2- new regulator
> 3- roll of electrical tape, with all of these done my system is charging
> like a 99 Cobra, no prob what so ever except for that pesky 7 volt wire and
> a red "alt" light in the dash.

OK Jason, it sounds like your stator wire isn't hooked up. With an
'Idiot Light' system, the stator connection from alt to reg provides
feedback that the alt has started. Look at Steve's schematic, follow
the stator wire back to the reg. When the alternator starts putting
out current, the stator voltage rises and closes the field relay
(or, today, a transistor). This relay shorts out the idiot light,
turning it off.

> Help me somebody- tell me what this wire is and what it has to do with that
> red light before I take my whole dash apart just to put a "blown" bulb in
> that socket!
> Once again Thanks for the schematic there PAT!

Thank Steve for that!
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Pat Brown
From Cool, Clear, Windy, Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:08:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Flareside and styleside

Azie, stumbling into a bee hive, typed out:

> Fordman writes: >>call me old fashioned but I myself, refer to
> those as fleet side and step sides!!!!
>
> Wasn't Fl**tside and St**side GM designations while FOMOCO used Styleside and
> Flareside???
>
> That's the way I remember it anyway.
>
Oh, Oh, Azie. Hang on to your hat. Marko's coming, and he's mumbling
something about insufficient censoring of GM terms on this list . .

Oh yeah, then there's your email domain that does something to him :-)
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Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:20:04 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - amber turn signals

A while back we had a thread about chnaging your backup lights into
European style turn signals. I had some thoughts on how to change the lense
color. I have seen lense repair kits that contain opaque colored tape. You
should be able to put this tape on the inside of the lense, thus not
marring the natural beauty but changing the color that shows when the bulb
is activated. I can have red, you can have amber.


- -John

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1--

Da1:50 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Barry and his 300 I6

Barry:

Try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cliffordperformance.com for performance parts (at twice the
price of performance V8 parts prices) or http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosupplyhouse.com for
a "super engine rebuild kit". You can get this kit (which includes all
gaskets, bearings, pistons, rings, and a cam) for under $300. You can also
upgrade the cam to a performance cam from Wolverine (in their Blue Racer line).
This is a parts wholesaler, so you will most likely need a shop sponsor or
make your own (they will give you a account number after you sign up on the
web). Good luck with your rebuild!!

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:49:55 -0700
From: "Bryan Kirking"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC vent temperatures

Thanks to both WiSH and Steve for the following tips:

> isn't there usually a drain of some sort on A/C
systems? Maybe that's plugged, or running uphill...

I am pretty sure that the drain is not plugged. Water does drain out, although I cannot be sure that the unit itself is not at the right angle to promot drainage. I will check it tonight.

>Check to see if the evaporator coil is icing up. Also do you have ice
on the suction line going all the way back to the compressor?

There was some ice along the bottom of the coil this morning. There is a capillary tube attached to a rheostat that enters the coil about 2 inches above the bottom. Perhaps this is incorrectly positioned or not functioning properly? I take it that ice on the coil fins is bad? As far as the charge volume, I went by manufacturer's specs (hi side pressure = 2*ambient temp + 15%. If anything, I expect I am below that.




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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:55:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oops!

> FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
> FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
> FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
> FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
> FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

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Sorry about this. Nothing like taking up extra bandwidth. Yahoo mail
kept giving me an error message that my mail could not be sent so I
just kept on trying.

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:22:54 -0500
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank Capacity

Eldon,

I checked my handy dandy CAT Engine Installation & Service Handbook and
found that 1 Gallon US is equivalent to 231 Cubic inches. So the fuel
tank, with the dimensions of 29x11x12 would equal about 16.5 gal.

Jerry

1970 F250 Camper Special

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:35:54 EDT
From: monkey352 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio

Hey everybody. I was wondering if anyone knows what gear ratio the rear
end of a '62 F100 with a 223 straight six would have.Thanks.....Jonathan

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:58:37 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Tank Capacity

>I checked my handy dandy CAT Engine Installation & Service Handbook and
>found that 1 Gallon US is equivalent to 231 Cubic inches. So the fuel
>tank, with the dimensions of 29x11x12 would equal about 16.5 gal.
>
Hey and as a quick side note, the 3.8L V6 is 232 cu. in (231 for the
general), so a 3.8L has about a gallon of displacement ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:17:05 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box Driver's Side ?

>Mine also came from a '65. I was going to put it on the driver's
side
>but it won't fit. Glad I figured it out before I cut the hole. The
left
>side of the box is not as deep to avoid the mounting hardware for
the
>leaf springs.

Hmmmm.... aren't there springs on both sides of the truck ? Guess I
never
really looked under mine, but that would imply that the frame isn't
centered either wouldn't it ?

Just curious ...

wish
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My toolbox looks like this :

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Right side depth - 20" (butts up right to the frame)
Left side depth - I forget but hopefully you see why I said
mine wouldn't go on the driver side. If you look at the leaf springs and
where they mount you'll see why the left side of the box has to go where
the leaf spring mount is. I don't know if there are maybe different
versions of the box.

Knew I should've taken pictures !

John
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:14:19 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio

In a message dated 5/4/99 5:41:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
monkey352 juno.com writes:

> I was wondering if anyone knows what gear ratio the rear
> end of a '62 F100 with a 223 straight six would have.

There are a few ratios that can be in there. That also assumes that you have
a stock/original rear-end installed. Check your truck for an id tag on the
rear end and also take down the VIN Plate info from the door tag. Re-post
this info please. I am sure someone can then help you.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:15:13 -0700
From: Jeffrey Osier-Mixon
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Splatter, but rumble good

Howdy all,

I just bought a '68 F100 mutt, where mutt = Maintained Under
Thrifty Terms, aka parts found in yards and not necessarily from
identical vehicles

I'm pretty sure all the body panels are from 68, though the truck was
used for construction contracting and is pretty beat up. I'm using it
for hauling household garden stuff now, but eventually would like to
recondition. Bodywork, painting, etc. are hereby delayed until after
the yard & garden are done (read: maybe not in my lifetime), but I want
to keep the thing in top mechanical condition, for reasons of pollution,
reliability, economy, and, well, because it's the Right Thing To Do for
an old and faithful automobile.

The truck was maintained by a mechanic for at least the last 15 years
and he told me quite a bit about what he had done to it. In addition to
maintenance, he added power steering (he says it needs fluid about twice
a month, a leak he never found) and power brakes that feel a little
slushy to me but maybe just need bleeding. These are the stats I wrote
down:

* 1968 F100 longbed
* engine: Ford 390 V8 from a 1970 truck (F250?), somewhat rebuilt;
oil leak (see below), new pumps (oil & water), electrics, belts & hoses,
4bbl Holley over standard intake manifold, wonderful Ford rumble
* transmission: T18 4-speed from 1975, maybe from a car, he couldn't
remember
* lights work fine, gauges don't work except the fuel level
* power steering, power brakes, K-mart stereo
* truck is now (mostly) black, but dings show at least 3 other colors,
probably from body panels horked from other vehicles

There are a few items that should be done now, and I'd welcome any
advice anyone would like to give. This is my current plan of action,
the first one is the only one I'm really worried about and want to take
care of soon. The rest will happen over the next year as funds allow.

* fix oil leak that splatters oil all over everything rearward from
the water pump (leaky front crank seal?)
* replace all fluids, look for mismatches (e.g. oil in water or vice
versa, metal dust in trans oil, etc.)
* replace all exterior & cab rubber
* fix windows--roll down is very iffy on both sides
* replace dash, cracked and fugly
* connect all gauges, replace any broken ones
* replace carpet
* possibly replace or re-cover seat
* clean everything and repaint interior to stock white
* install seat belts correctly
* new spline end on driveshaft (the one drivetrain part he didn't replace)
* possibly replace steering box (the one steering part he didn't replace)
* find tiny gas tank leak that causes it to stink for 20 miles or so
after a fill-up
* repair various holes in the body, someone had lots of antennas once

This is the future list:

* New windshield.
* R/R all bent body parts & paint some color other than black.
* Home-made camper shell. Welding is cool.
* Disc brakes. Maybe ABS, if a good aftermarket one exists.
* Does anyone make a 5-speed trans that fits into this year/model?
* Possibly rebuild engine, or buy a rebuilt one and install. This one
has at least 180k on it.
* Has anyone ever converted one of these beasts to electric? I get
17 mpg or so, but I like the ozone.

So, questions for the group:

* Does that leak sound like a crank seal? Could I fix that in half a day if
I had a torque wrench, a manual, and motivation?
* Could I adapt a more modern (80s?) engine without incurring lots of
headaches? How different are the mounting bolts, esp. for tranny,
if I put in a 302 with a 5-speed? Worth it vis a vis mileage?
* What's the most comprehensive book on this model? Moses Ludel's book
seems to concentrate mostly on 4x4s...

Thanks, and keep up the writing.. this list has a very low signal-to-noise
ratio and is a pleasure to read.

Jefro


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:20:19 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '65 progress!!

Last night we got the last of the intruments hooked up.
Mounted a brake light switch.

We are using an instrument cluster from a '66 Custom cab. it has the
Horizontal speedo as well as an alt and oil pressure gauge. (In addition to
the warning lights for the same.)

The amp gauge constantly reads slightly negative. this may be related to our
battery going dead all the time.
Could it be that the alt. isn't charging.
With the truck running and battery charger hooked up we noticed the alt
gauge moves a tad to the right when the charger is turned on.
Also, when we rev it the gauge moves to the left, like it is discharging
more...

There are two wires going to the amp gauge, black , and black w/ green. Does
anybody know which wire goes where?
Later,
-srw


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:37:55 -0600
From: Matt Gillespie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering swap

I have a "75" F-100 and am looking for any ideas. I have swapped in a
"79" front axle and steering box and all other necessary pieces. I need
to know where to mount the box to the frame and still have proper
geometry. 44 inch tires are in future plans so, I need to be as stout
and correct as possible thanks Matt

1975 F-100 4x4

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:59:50 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - steering swap

Matt Gillespie wrote:
>
> I have a "75" F-100 and am looking for any ideas. I have swapped in a
> "79" front axle and steering box and all other necessary pieces.

Dana 44??

> I need
> to know where to mount the box to the frame and still have proper
> geometry.

What kind of steering are you going to run, stock 79?

>44 inch tires are in future plans so, I need to be as stout
> and correct as possible thanks Matt
>

I wouldn't worry that much about the steering. If you are using a dana
44 front you will have much more problems with the axle U joints and the
front driveshaft.

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:12 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Splatter, but rumble good

In a message dated 5/4/99 7:22:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
jefro netscape.com writes:

> There are a few items that should be done now, and I'd welcome any
> advice anyone would like to give. This is my current plan of action,
> the first one is the only one I'm really worried about and want to take
> care of soon. The rest will happen over the next year as funds allow.
>
> * fix oil leak that splatters oil all over everything rearward from
> the water pump (leaky front crank seal)?
Congratulations. It sounds like you have your work cut out for you. I will
not try to answer all of your questions. The modifications you discuss all
boil down to what you are trying to accomplish, your budget and ambition (and
not necessarily in that order).

On your oil leak(s), I find the best way to locate them is to
pressure wash the entire engine, compartment and frame. Then and only then
can you really see the cause of the leaks. I suspect your front and rear
seals may be leaking. But you are probably also losing oil out of the intake
where it meets the lifter gallery (front and back), the valve covers and the
oil pan. You may be able to get away with "Re-torquing" the valve covers and
oil pan if the gaskets have any life in them. If there is leaking at the
intake you may be able to cheat some sealer in there. There are no easy
fixes for the seals. The front can easily be changed. My flat rate manual
estimates labor as 2.5 hours (it will take longer if you have never done it).
The rear seal will take considerably longer to do.

Before you go hog-wild on your engine you may want to assess its
over-all condition. If it is in good shape then maybe it would be worth
pulling to install some new gaskets and seals and give it fresh paint. If
not in that good of condition then find another one to rebuild or have
rebuilt to your specs. Keep the engine as in to drive the truck in the
meantime. This way you don't sink money into something that isn't worth it
in the long-run. I hope this has something useful in it for you.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:32:34 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 gear ratio

in answer to your axle ratio question here's my best guess without having the
vin # ....62 223 c.i.d. should have 3:89 ratio if the rear end hasn't been
changed from stock. hope this helps....
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:41:56 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine and Tranny

your engine size "should be " 240 c.i.d. 1v carb, 150 hp, was built in
michigan , in march of 65 .. i need the trans & axle letter & number to tell
you more .
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:48:25 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - VIN

for everyone thats looking for info on what their vin #s mean, i suggest that
you get a catalog from john's f-fun hundreds 1-800-563-3151 out of
anaheim,ca. in the front of their catalogs they have all the vin # s from 57
thru 66 . and the catalogs pretty good too..........
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:28:25 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wanted 78-79 f250 4x4 ext cab/crew cab

selling my powerstroke, i need to find a fairly nice and dependable 78-79
f250 4x4 king cab or crew cab, preferably in the southeast.

thanks,
jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:37:31 -0600
From: David Winters
Subject: FTE 61-79 - seat upholstery vinyl and foam rubber

Can anyone suggest a source for replacement foam rubber and vinyl
upholstery material? I have a 1964 f-100 4x4. Need to find turquoise
vinyl. Thanks, Dave winters cmn net
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:43:42 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spare Parts

I've got to many parts around here from a 68 and 69 F250. Does anyone in
the Salt Lake City, Utah area need these items for their truck?

2bbl intake with stock carb/airbox (69 with 360)
3 core radiator
in cab fuel tank
bench seat with new upholstery (grey cloth insert, white vinyl banding)
full floating rear axle assembly (3.54 maybe?)
hood hinges/latch (was great looking hood, till I ran over it... Doh!)
straight tail gate without chrome
wing windows and side glass with hardware
starter motor
alternator
water pump
western style mirrors (extra large)
other side mirrors (medium)
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