61-79-list-digest Tuesday, May 4 1999 Volume 03 : Number 151



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - toolbox
Re: FTE 61-79 - bed classifications
FTE 61-79 - Noisy C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine and Tranny
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show
FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - Speaker slickers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield seals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant
FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:30:36 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

Pat wrote:
>On some engines, the diverter (gulp, or dump) valve outlet can
>go to the intake. The diverter valve 'dumps' the airpump output
>into the intake,air cleaner, or sometimes just under the hood
>under deceleration. Pumping fresh air into the exhaust under
>these conditions causes backfiring as the fresh air hits the
>nice, rich unburnt fuel left over. Pumping the air into the
>intake acts as a sort of 'Decel' valve, which leans that high
>HC spike out under the same conditions. I don't know if FE's
>ever had this, the 77ish 460 in my driveway is of the 'dump it
>under the hood' variety.

Hmmm. Interesting... I learn something new every day. Well, maybe
every other day...
I've seen the "divert to air cleaner", and "divert to underhood" methods
before, but never seen a "divert to manifold" setup. The only type I've
ever seen on an FE is of the "divert underhood" flavor.


Steve
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 16:30:37 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

Dave wrote:
>Yo Steve & Dennis:
>
>FYI: The 335 series engines (351C/351M/400) had the Thermactor pump feeding air
>into a special passage in the intake manifold. Both the Cleveland intake
>manifold and the M-block intake manifold have a Thermactor AIR passage that
runs
>across the manifold and feeds air into the AIR ports on the cylinder heads
>(which cross through the head to the exhaust ports on the other side). The AIR
>passage in the 335 series intake manifolds is separate from the intake runners.
>The engine in Dennis' brother-in-law's 1977 F350 would probably be an M-block
>351M or 400. This is a completely different engine from the FE family.

Yeah, I guess that makes sense to dump the air into the intake under
deceleration to lean out the A/F ratio, but I've never seen (noticed) it
being done. I'll have to keep my eye out at the wreckers to see what it
looks like...
I'm pretty sure it was never done on the FE family and the poster of the
origional question about hooking up the thermactor system needen't worry
about coming up with a special intake manifold. It's the heads that are
going to make/break him. Hopefully his already have the bosses on the
exhaust port for the air injection tubes and he can drill them and press
a set of injection rails in. Otherwise he's gotta score some different
heads and swap 'em on... )-:


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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 18:44:45 -0500
From: "commodore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - toolbox

with all this talk about toolboxes I am wondering how big of a deal it is to
install on a 71 box. If you have an insight on this or have put one in
please fill me in thanks

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:36:24 -0400
From: "John Pajak"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bed classifications

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From: Marko Maryniak
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Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - bed classifications


>At 01:33 PM 02/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>From: John Pajak
>>> Fleetside and Stepside are Chevrolet terms!! The horror!
>>>
>>> Styleside and Flareside are good, honest, Ford terms!
>>
>
>Hey! Watch that spelling! In order, that would be:
>
>Fl*etside, St*pside, and Ch*vrolet or, if you prefer, Junk.
>
>Marko (Stu don't you agree?)
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 19:22:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Noisy C6

My '53 F100 has a 351C-4V and a C6 from a donor '71
Torino. While the engine has been rebuilt, the C6 sat
for quite a while before it was put back into
operation. I don't think there was a lot of mileage on
either unit, but I can't be sure. I know the tranny
needs a reseal job because it leaks a bit, as I
expected. However as I tool down the highway, I hear
quite a din from the tranny. It runs and shifts fine
but the noise worries me, am I on borrowed time with
this unit, should I look for a rebuild or replacement?

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:28:20 EDT
From: JPatte5238 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine and Tranny

I am looking to see what type of engine and tranny I have in my 1965 F100,
the VIN is F10JL662449.

John Patterson
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:33:29 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

Thanks for your message at 04:57 PM 5/3/99 -0600, Dave Resch. Your message
was:
>
>FYI: The 335 series engines (351C/351M/400) had the Thermactor pump
feeding air
>into a special passage in the intake manifold. Both the Cleveland intake
>manifold and the M-block intake manifold have a Thermactor AIR passage
that runs
>across the manifold and feeds air into the AIR ports on the cylinder heads
>(which cross through the head to the exhaust ports on the other side).
The AIR
>passage in the 335 series intake manifolds is separate from the intake
runners.
>The engine in Dennis' brother-in-law's 1977 F350 would probably be an M-block
>351M or 400. This is a completely different engine from the FE family.
>
What years did this happen on the 351C ? I don't have that on mine (a '71,
I believe).
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 23:09:01 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge show

List member Stu Varner has asked that everyone who plans
to attend the Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals send him
your name and how many people are in your group so he
can get a head count.

He can be reached at varners usit.net

Thanks,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:24:21 PDT
From: "Christopher Denson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pertronix electronic ignition

To all,
Today I finally got around to installing that Pertronix solid state ignition
with the Flamethrower on my '67 F100 with the 352. I must say, I do notice
much better idle and better response below 3000 rpms. I'd like to install
the MSD 6A capacitive discharge multi-spark module as well. Does anyone one
know if this is compatable with the Pertronix? Well my restoration is
comming to a close and soon I'll send pictures to Ken to put on the website.
This is a real headturner. By the way, is there any FTE'rs around the San
Diego area?

Chris in San Diego
'67 F100 Camper Special (Old Blue)
352FE/Cruise-O-Matic



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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 19:12:25 -0700
From: Dennis Dellinger
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

Dave
you are absolutely right it is a 400M. Sorry to add confusion to the mix.
Dennis Dellinger

Dave Resch wrote:

> >> The next problem may
> >>be the intake manifold on some Ford engines the AIR
> >>pump was plumbed into the the intake (as on my
> >>brother in-law's 77 F-350).
> >
> >Ehh??? I've never seen a thermactor system
> >plumbed into the intake. That wouldn't do
> >any good...
>
> Yo Steve & Dennis:
>
> FYI: The 335 series engines (351C/351M/400) had the Thermactor pump feeding air
> into a special passage in the intake manifold. Both the Cleveland intake
> manifold and the M-block intake manifold have a Thermactor AIR passage that runs
> across the manifold and feeds air into the AIR ports on the cylinder heads
> (which cross through the head to the exhaust ports on the other side). The AIR
> passage in the 335 series intake manifolds is separate from the intake runners.
> The engine in Dennis' brother-in-law's 1977 F350 would probably be an M-block
> 351M or 400. This is a completely different engine from the FE family.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:46:45 -0500
From: "Darryl Wright"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Speaker slickers


>>and new speakers into the beloved vehicle. Gotta have my noise! (Thanks
for
>>the tip about lining the back of the speakers -- the previous speaker
cones
>>were completely dissolved!)
>
>Hmmm...did I miss this tip ? Anyone care to pass it on again ?

I failed to keep the posting concerning shielding the speakers inside the
door, but I had made a hard copy for my PPUH (poor put upon husband).
Talented, huh? ;-)

So, allowing for my keyboarding, here goes:

"Try some Visqueen plastic between the speaker and the door. It's a cheap
fix for the wet speakers." wrote Smeck.

My PPUH says just the top edge of the plastic needs to be glued in place,
but I say seal the thing all the way around -- and use something like RTV
adhesive.

What can I say? We have these little conversations all the time. ;-)

Now, all my horsey-chick friends want a cool truck like my rig. Who knew?!?

With a F-250 relic in my heart,
Nancy Wright
'76 F-250 Ranger XLT Supercab, 460

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:01:10 EDT
From: L7514 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

Does anyone know wheather or not a AM/FM, cassette, CD, stereo out of a '98
Explorer, would possibly fit into a '73-'79 F-100 dash without alot of
cutting?
Any ideas greatly appreciated.
L7514 aol.com
74 Custom
79 Ranger
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Windshield seals

If your looking for the windshield gasket or the back glass gasket
you might find them less expensive at your local "glass shop." I
installed auto glass for 3 1/2 years and the quality of gaskets we used
were very high. (OEM or better) We used the "Precision Parts" brand,
which is very common through out the country in glass shops.
The cost varied for the gaskets depending upon which kind of trim
was used on the seal, such as: real chrome inserts, black or "fake
chrome" locking strip, or plain, with no locking strip. In other words
three types of windshield gaskets for 73-79 Fords.

Josh



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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 00:51:08 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

I dont think so. If the 98 Exp. Stereo is anything like the one in a 95
ranger it wont happen. The width is right, but the explorer deck is about 2
inches too tall.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:02:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Daniel H. Jenkins"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

Well, if the radio out of the Explorer is a DIN mount radio,
you're going to need to cut up some of the dash in your truck. It's not
real difficult, and if done right it looks pretty good. I've got a DIN
mount CD player in place of hte original shaft mount AM radio. Just take
your time and measure. You're going to need to cut the metal support that
holds the air conditioning/heater controls in place. You will also
probably need ot modify the plastic trim piece. If you have any specific
questions, email me and I'll do my best to answer them. Good luck with
the tunage!

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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:09:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

Thank you John LaGrone for your reply. Yes I did add stop leak to the
cooling system and yes I did replace the radiator. (I'll give you two
guesses as to which order I did them in :) ) Every thing in the
system Is new except the heater core. (Still need to finish that
project.) So I guess that there still could be some in there. The
consensus seems to be that I don't have a problem no matter who had the
right answer.

Josh




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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:08:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

Thank you John LaGrone for your reply. Yes I did add stop leak to the
cooling system and yes I did replace the radiator. (I'll give you two
guesses as to which order I did them in :) ) Every thing in the
system Is new except the heater core. (Still need to finish that
project.) So I guess that there still could be some in there. The
consensus seems to be that I don't have a problem no matter who had the
right answer.

Josh




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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:07:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

Thank you John LaGrone for your reply. Yes I did add stop leak to the
cooling system and yes I did replace the radiator. (I'll give you two
guesses as to which order I did them in :) ) Every thing in the
system Is new except the heater core. (Still need to finish that
project.) So I guess that there still could be some in there. The
consensus seems to be that I don't have a problem no matter who had the
right answer.

Josh




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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:09:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

Thank you John LaGrone for your reply. Yes I did add stop leak to the
cooling system and yes I did replace the radiator. (I'll give you two
guesses as to which order I did them in :) ) Every thing in the
system Is new except the heater core. (Still need to finish that
project.) So I guess that there still could be some in there. The
consensus seems to be that I don't have a problem no matter who had the
right answer.

Josh



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Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 22:10:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: rusty colored coolant

Thank you John LaGrone for your reply. Yes I did add stop leak to the
cooling system and yes I did replace the radiator. (I'll give you two....

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