61-79-list-digest Saturday, May 1 1999 Volume 03 : Number 147



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Good Times
RE: FTE 61-79 - Good Times
FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance
FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereo
FTE 61-79 - EGR
FTE 61-79 - aluminum
FTE 61-79 - aluminum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Needed
FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos
FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is too much
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sliding rear window for 73 -86
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve
FTE 61-79 - Tranny troubles
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
FTE 61-79 - Joke
Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
FTE 61-79 - Tach terminal on 360 with electronic ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires
Re: FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereo
FTE 61-79 - Status of radiator replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box
Re: FTE 61-79 - Point ignition
FTE 61-79 - Back on the list
FTE 61-79 - P.S. Pump color
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny troubles

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:09:25 -0400
From: pickup65 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good Times

Well I never thought this would happen to me but I am now the owner of a
Conversion Van!!! Don't get me wrong but had this not fallen into my lap
I would not actively sought to buy one. No offence to other van owners. I
must say though the more I think about it the more I like it. I have a
three week old daughter so I guess I can consider this the family
vehicle.

I got the van from a friends father. He gave it to me in exchange for
helping him rebuild the 351C in his 70 Mach 1. We are going to start the
rebuild this fall but he wanted to get the van out of his hair now so we
towed it to my house this past Tuesday. Yes towed! Unfortunately the
engine is blown. Other than that it is in great shape.

It is a "Good Times President" leisure van with lots of features. Such
as; captains chairs, fold out bed, curtains, rear a/c, clothes closet,
TV shelf, CB, rear ladder, full carpeting and lots of storage. In the
drivers compartment there is; power steering, power brakes, tilt
steering, cruse control, automatic transmission, AM/FM cassette radio and
the control for the dual tanks.

The van is an 82 model with a 302 which leads me to my question. (I know
Ken this belongs on the other list) What is the best way to pull the
engine? The engine is shoe horned in and my engine lift will not go low
enough to work. Any tips?

Thanks
Jon E. Purut
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:11:07 -0400
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Good Times

> ----------
> From: pickup65 juno.com[SMTP:pickup65 juno.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 7:09 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Good Times
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>
> The van is an 82 model with a 302 which leads me to my question. (I know
> Ken this belongs on the other list) What is the best way to pull the
> engine? The engine is shoe horned in and my engine lift will not go low
> enough to work. Any tips?
>
> Thanks
> Jon E. Purut
>
Jon,
I rented a low-boy lift ($40) when I pulled mine. If your hoist
won't reach in that far, why not raise the front of the van?

Tracy


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:22:13 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

> Well, stereo wattages have been know to be slightly inflated:-).
> Lets see, 600 watts at twelve volts is, hmmm, 50 amps. Just for
> grins, check out the fuse on that stereo. I'll bet it's no more
> than about 15 amps, which, at 100% efficiency, is about 90 watts
> per channel. A 15 amp fuse will eventually blow at a continuous
> 15 amp level, so they are derated to about 80%, or about 12 amps.
> That's more like 72 watts/channel, again at 100% efficiency. Now,
> your kilowatt stereo may have been able to put out a kilowatt,
> but it would be, at best, a peak power rating, and it can't do
> that for very long (think milli-seconds).

It's a common practice to rate car stereo amps at their peak output, as
opposed to continuous output. If you watch a VU meter you see the
neeedle jumping all over the place(especially on some old Uriah Heep
stuff)indicating power output. Home stereos are rated at their
continuous (lowest reading on the meter) car stuff is rated at the
peaks(the highest) They also play around with distortion numbers on
both. You really have to watch where they rate it or you can end up
with something you don't like.
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:19:46 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance

At 11:49 PM 4/29/99 EDT, you wrote:
>this is how i used to do it. weigh all the pistons with the pins, drill the
>heavier pistons until they all weigh the same as the lightest one. weigh the
>large end of the rod, grind off material from cap till they weigh the same,
>next weigh the whole rod, then grind the small end until they all weigh the
>same, weigh the rings, brgs etc, work out the formula ( can't remember how).
>the crank with the balancer, flywheel, and weights to similate the rod and
>piston weights is turned in a balancing machine, then the counter balancers
>are drilled till you get a vibration free assembly, similar to balancing a
>tire. 165.00 is a good price, some don't think its worth the expense on
>street engines, but i do. the winston cup cars might last 250 miles if
they
>were not balanced.
> did i leave out anything? its been a long time since i did any balancing.
>jeff grant
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>
If I'm balancing an engine to go with a standard transmission, I include
the pressure plate bolted to the flywheel.

Stoney

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:28:23 EDT
From: A62Unibody aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereo

George,
A good cure for that problem would be to install a large capacitor that
would store power for the extra notes when needed.
Randy
A62Unibody
Central Arkansas Pickups club member
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:25:25 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EGR

>> Besides making my truck run like crap is a bad egr bad for my engine?
>
>Well, if running like crap is OK with you, then think about this:
>
>A stuck EGR valve will cause your engine to run lean, which you
>have discovered makes your engine idle poorly. It also can cause
>the engine to run slightly hotter, which can lead to pinging,
>which can cause the engine to run slightly hotter, etc. Hot,
>pinging engines melt pistons.
>
If you mean stuck open, which I presume you do, this is not correct. The
whole purpose of the EGR is to LOWER combustion temps. It does this by
substituting exhaust gasses for oxygen. This means LESS oxygen to burn
which means less heat. EGR actually PREVENTS pinging and piston burning
because it lowers the combustion temp. It is pretty common to get pinging
if you DISABLE the EGR since the engine compression ratio and timing were
set up to run with the cooling effects of EGR. Disabling the EGR makes
combustion temps go up. An EGR that is stuck open makes combustion temps
go DOWN.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:58:38 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - aluminum

I must add aluminum valve covers to the list of acceptable engine
components. Anything for show that doesn't take stress will work for me.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:10:02 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - aluminum

>>Wow, no offense but you picked all the winners didn't you ? I suppose the
Gutless was a Quad 4 as well ? From what I hear the Neon could be your
next car...

I think most of the problem with this approach is the aluminum head on a
steel block ... different expansion rates can't be good for the gaskets ...

Wish, I was much younger and knew everything back then :-). Actually, the
big problem was the cast iron rings running up and down in aluminum
cylinders. The Gutless and GA had the fore runner of the Quad Four. I can't
remember what it was called, but I think it was made in Brazil. I am sure
most of you have used radiator stop leak pills. They are required in those
4s and the HT4100 Caddy V8s.

When did they start putting a 351M in Neons?

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:36:19 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Needed

>>I posted this request on the classifieds the other day, but I wanted to ask
>>here also in case not everybody reads the classifieds on a regular basis.
>I
>>need a complete choke cable assembly for a '67 F100/350. The previous
>owner


If you're not worried about looking original (don't know what the originals
looked like), most of the time your local autoparts store will have a kit
for the cable and such, maybe that'd work, at least til you found one,
they're less than 20 bucks usually.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:39:13 -0400
From: "Deis, John"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve

I blocked off my EGR valve with a home-made piece of aluminum from a beer
can. I know it won't pass emissions like this, but my 78 F-100 has much
more power this way. Am I doing anything bad to the engine though?


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:43:01 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum

>Wish, I was much younger and knew everything back then :-). Actually, the
>big problem was the cast iron rings running up and down in aluminum
>cylinders.

Okay, I see where that could be bad too ....


The Gutless and GA had the fore runner of the Quad Four. I can't
>remember what it was called, but I think it was made in Brazil. I am sure
>most of you have used radiator stop leak pills. They are required in those
>4s and the HT4100 Caddy V8s.
>
Since the stop leak is for aluminum, maybe you were adding to the cylinder
walls as well ? :)


>When did they start putting a 351M in Neons?

:)

I was referring to the $800 a friend of mine had to pay to get a head
gasket put on her year and a half old Neon. One dealer claimed they'd
never heard of that, the one she took it to said they do like 15 or 20 a year!


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:45:53 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Car Stereos

At 07:22 AM 4/30/99 , you wrote:
>> Well, stereo wattages have been know to be slightly inflated:-).

>It's a common practice to rate car stereo amps at their peak output, as

This is sadly true. However it wasn't always this way. An amp from many
many years ago (15+ I think, longer for some than others), will be rated
RMS (root mean square), which is a more accurate rating system. The newer
ones will be rated at Peak power ... quite a difference. Also explains why
my friend's old 75 Watt amp blows away most new 150+ amps :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:48:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is too much

George wrote:
> Summit racing sells 100 amp alternators for $99.

Summit also has a 105 Amp conversion kit for lower amperage
alternators for $35.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
- --
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:49:32 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

>If you mean stuck open, which I presume you do, this is not correct. The
>whole purpose of the EGR is to LOWER combustion temps.

I've never heard of adding exhaust to cool anything ... much less adding it
after the carb and having things run cooler ...


It does this by
>substituting exhaust gasses for oxygen. This means LESS oxygen to burn
>which means less heat. EGR actually PREVENTS pinging and piston burning
>because it lowers the combustion temp.

I lessens the o2 maybe, but with less stuff to burn, wouldn't you be prone
to pinging again ?

It is pretty common to get pinging
>if you DISABLE the EGR since the engine compression ratio and timing were
>set up to run with the cooling effects of EGR. Disabling the EGR makes
>combustion temps go up. An EGR that is stuck open makes combustion temps
>go DOWN.


Not a big fan of EGR and never really messed with it, but I'm having
trouble convincing myself it will run cooler .... any help ?


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:50:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sliding rear window for 73 -86

At 05:20 PM 4/29/99 , you wrote:
>I seen this listing on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auction.fairmarket.com and thought some of you
>might be interested.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.fairmarket.com/Scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=138119&SiteCat
No=8
>
>It's listed for $39
>


Did anyone else see it advertised as 73-86 in one place and 67-72 in another ?

Maybe I didn't read it closely enough ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:51:24 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve

At 08:39 AM 4/30/99 , you wrote:
>I blocked off my EGR valve with a home-made piece of aluminum from a beer
>can. I know it won't pass emissions like this, but my 78 F-100 has much
>more power this way. Am I doing anything bad to the engine though?
>

My truck came to me this way, seemed to run fine...though I can't say if
you were doing anything bad to the engine ... cars ran fine for years
without them ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:16:04 -0500
From: "Brett"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve

I've got a general question about this whole EGR thing. I've got a 460 with
what I think is an EGR plate. Its a spacer under the carb with a hose
attached at the back going to the pcv valve. How do I go about covering
this up? Take off the spacer and cover up the EGR area? I'd like that
'free power' if it actually does give you some. Also, what if I were to buy
an Edelbrock intake, could I just buy one without the EGR and be ok?

Thanks,
Brett
76 F250 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.superford.org/fbird

>At 08:39 AM 4/30/99 , you wrote:
>>I blocked off my EGR valve with a home-made piece of aluminum from a beer
>>can. I know it won't pass emissions like this, but my 78 F-100 has much
>>more power this way. Am I doing anything bad to the engine though?
>>
>
>My truck came to me this way, seemed to run fine...though I can't say if
>you were doing anything bad to the engine ... cars ran fine for years
>without them ...
>
>wish


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARE WATERMAN
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny troubles

I just got a note from my friend asking about tranny troubles with her
jeep. i am not too fluent in transmission, so i thought you guys may be
able to help out a bit. this is the note she sent me:

"When I shift into 5th gear, my Jeep makes a real funny
noise---like that little clicker thing that kids used to put on their Big
Wheels, do you remember those things? Anyway, I can drive in any other
gear and it sounds fine. What do you think the problem is?"

I can go pick up tranny parts in my 71 f250/360/c6/dana 60 (FTE
content;))

Thanks for any and all advice--

Best Regards,

Clare M. Waterman-Storer, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC, 27599-3280

T: (919)-962-2354
F: (919)-962-1625


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

The toolbox on the passenger side of the bed on Ford
trucks has been an option since 1970, bolth of my
72's are rquipted with the option.
TEXAS

1972 F250 4x2 Sport Custom
1972 F250 Ranger 4x4 short box "Modified Mud Truck"




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:42:04 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum

She must drive allot since the Neon has a 3 year/36,000 mile bumper-bumper
warranty.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum



>I was referring to the $800 a friend of mine had to pay to get a head
>gasket put on her year and a half old Neon. One dealer claimed they'd
>never heard of that, the one she took it to said they do like 15 or 20 a
year!



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:53:52 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

Here's a short excerpt from an article on automotive emissions systems:

"Since the advent of 1M/240, EGR valve sales have risen because failure is
more apparent when engines are load-tested on a chassis dynamometer. When
the EGR fails to cool combustion temperatures by introducing a small amount
of exhaust gas into the cylinder charge, NOX emissions rise dramatically. In
addition, the engine may suffer mechanical damage by pre-igniting or
detonating the fuel mixture."

You can read the whole article at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.forparts.com/emission.htm

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR



>I've never heard of adding exhaust to cool anything ... much less adding it
>after the carb and having things run cooler ...




>Not a big fan of EGR and never really messed with it, but I'm having
>trouble convincing myself it will run cooler .... any help ?



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:57:11 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Joke

I know this is off topic, but I thought it was funny.

A woman from the north-central part of Oklahoma goes into the
Stillwater News-Press office to see that the obituary for her
recently
deceased husband is written. The obit editor informs her that the
fee for the obituary is 50 cents a word.

She pauses, reflects and then says, "Well, then, let it read,
'Billy Bob died'." Amused at the woman's thrift, the editor says,
"Sorry ma'am there is a 7 word minimum on all obituaries".

Only a little flustered, she thinks things over and in a few
seconds
says,
"In that case, let it read, "Billy Bob died - 1963 Pick-up for sale"


Terry


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:02:26 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - aluminum

At 09:42 AM 4/30/99 , you wrote:
>She must drive allot since the Neon has a 3 year/36,000 mile bumper-bumper
>warranty.
>
Good point, maybe it wasn't new when she bought it ... forgot they were
that old ...

Anyway back to FTE ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:03:52 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Blocked off EGR Valve

>I've got a general question about this whole EGR thing. I've got a 460 with
>what I think is an EGR plate. Its a spacer under the carb with a hose
>attached at the back going to the pcv valve. How do I go about covering
>this up? Take off the spacer and cover up the EGR area? I'd like that
>'free power' if it actually does give you some. Also, what if I were to buy
>an Edelbrock intake, could I just buy one without the EGR and be ok?
>
This just sounds like a standard plate to me ... the 65 Galaxie intake I
have has this on it ... no free power there, just a PCV port. If it was
EGR it would have a huge valve thing behind the carb .... maybe I'm not
gettin the description right ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:33:47 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR


- --

On Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:41:27 Pat Brown wrote:
>Julia wrote:

- ---snip----
>A stuck EGR valve

- ---snip
>Now, if your state doesn't currently have smog inspections,
>it will soon (Feds are getting real intent on this).

I just love my '65 F100. It doesn't have any of this crap. Woooohoooo!;-o
Sorry, I just had to input my .02
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:17:06 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request

Thanks for your message at 08:01 PM 4/29/99 -0400, stevegoins. Your message
was:
>I've found autokrafters( www.auto krafters. com ) and Dennis Pearson
>Reproductions( www.dennispearson.com)
>to both be reliable for weatherstrip,gaskets seals and those other hard to
>find small but nagging things.
>


Er, uh, Steve, I think that second one might be Dennis Carpenter...I don't
need credit for any more reproductions than I have already had...Although
some of them may have happened in a Ford truck...And the "nagging things"
does sound familiar...




Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:22:38 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires

Thanks for your message at 11:07 PM 4/29/99 EDT, Mouse2Mann aol.com. Your
message was:
>I've been cleaning, repairing, fixing, stuff on my 62 Unibody 235 and I
>noticed that the condensor or capacitors' wire is broke off , also the wire
>from the bottom of the distributor is not attatched to anything. The truck
>starts and runs well, but where are these wire supposed to go.

UH? How is this possible?


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:38:27 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

Thanks for your message at 07:07 AM 4/30/99 -0700, Tony Dixon. Your message
was:
>
>The toolbox on the passenger side of the bed on Ford
>trucks has been an option since 1970, bolth of my
>72's are rquipted with the option.

So the one on my '66 was not an option? It looks so "factory."


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

I wrote:
> > Julia asked:
> >> Besides making my truck run like crap is a bad egr bad for my engine?
> >
> >Well, if running like crap is OK with you, then think about this:
> >
> > [and a bunch of crap about EGR valves deleted]

To which John straightend me out with:

> If you mean stuck open, which I presume you do, this is not correct. The
> whole purpose of the EGR is to LOWER combustion temps. It does this by
> substituting exhaust gasses for oxygen. This means LESS oxygen to burn
> which means less heat. EGR actually PREVENTS pinging and piston burning
> because it lowers the combustion temp. It is pretty common to get pinging
> if you DISABLE the EGR since the engine compression ratio and timing were
> set up to run with the cooling effects of EGR. Disabling the EGR makes
> combustion temps go up. An EGR that is stuck open makes combustion temps
> go DOWN.

And Bill further states:

>Here's a short excerpt from an article on automotive emissions systems:

>"Since the advent of 1M/240, EGR valve sales have risen because failure is
>more apparent when engines are load-tested on a chassis dynamometer. When
>the EGR fails to cool combustion temperatures by introducing a small amount
>of exhaust gas into the cylinder charge, NOX emissions rise dramatically. In
>addition, the engine may suffer mechanical damage by pre-igniting or
>detonating the fuel mixture."

And Bill's crowning touch (Touche')

> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

And I stand corrected, and smarter :-).

Now, why does the engine idle poorly when the EGR is opened at idle?
(This is typically what the tech does during a non-dyno smog inspection,
to ensure the EGR passage is open). Does the exhaust stream at idle
contain more oxygen (lean rough idle)?
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:00:29 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

Yo Gang:

A couple more notes/thoughts about EGR.

In a carbureted vehicle with the EGR spacer under the carb, the exhaust gas is
displacing both fuel and air (i.e., the fuel/air mixture) since the mixture is
created in the carburetor before the exhaust gas is inserted. In that case, the
EGR effectively dilutes the fuel/air mixture, but it does not affect the
fuel/air ratio (i.e., rich/lean), which is set w/in the carb.

In an EFI engine, in which no fuel/air mixture travels through the manifold, the
EGR does displace the O2 in the fresh air in the manifold *before* the fuel is
injected, but the computer that figures the amount of fuel to inject compensates
for the exhaust gas (since it has a sensor that "reads" the EGR valve position),
so the fuel/air mixture (rich/lean) is unaffected in that system as well.

My understanding of the purported benefit of EGR is that, in essence, combustion
temps normally produced by lean mixtures are reduced because the fuel/air
mixture is diluted by a more-or-less inert gas. (Exhaust gas should contain
little or no O2, rendering it inert in the combustion process.) With reduced
combustion temps, a leaner mixture can be run without producing excess NOX
emissions. Of course, the leaner mixture is desired to reduce the emission of
unburned hydrocarbons.

Obviously, increasing the amount of fuel/air mixture that gets into the cylinder
will increase the engine's power output, which is why most engines will give a
little better performance when the EGR is disabled. Since the carburetors and
EFI computers designed to work w/ EGR are calibrated for a leaner mixture than
would otherwise be optimal, the fuel/air mixture should be enriched if the EGR
is disabled. If you do that, the engine will give even more power and be less
prone to the problems created by excessive combustion temps.

Am I right? Does this make sense?

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:11:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR

>In a carbureted vehicle with the EGR spacer under the carb, the exhaust gas is
>displacing both fuel and air (i.e., the fuel/air mixture) since the mixture is
>created in the carburetor before the exhaust gas is inserted. In that case,
>the
>Obviously, increasing the amount of fuel/air mixture that gets into the
>cylinder
>will increase the engine's power output, which is why most engines will give a
>little better performance when the EGR is disabled. Since the carburetors and
>EFI computers designed to work w/ EGR are calibrated for a leaner mixture than
>would otherwise be optimal, the fuel/air mixture should be enriched if the EGR
>is disabled. If you do that, the engine will give even more power and be less
>prone to the problems created by excessive combustion temps.
>
>Am I right? Does this make sense?
>

Makes perfect sense Dave, and leaves me wondering what I was thinking this
morning ... man I must've been walkin around in my sleep or something ..


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:26:16 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

i just installed one onto my 64 f-100 which i obtained from a 65 bone yard
donor . so my point being they have been around longer than 1970 ! now where
can i get a gasket for mine ?
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:35:13 EDT
From: WEDIVE247 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

YES THE TOOL BOX ON YOUR 66 IS FACTORY INSTALL . I JUST GOT ONE FROM A 65
BONE YARD DONOR AND INSTALLED IT ON MY 64 . ANY IDEAS WHERE I MIGHT GET A
GASKET FOR IT ?
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:40:25 -0500
From: "Martin Carter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tach terminal on 360 with electronic ignition

REALLY dumb question--I bought a tach for my '74 F100 and can't figure out
where to attach it. The instructions said that there SHOULD be a tach
terminal to attach it to. Any guesses?
Marty


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:41:34 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires

yes, there is suppost to be a thicker brake on i believe the front on the
passengers, and the back on the drivers, it has to do with which side is
really being used to do most of the braking. Im not sure im right on which
side is which..


cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:14 PM 4/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I've been cleaning, repairing, fixing, stuff on my 62 Unibody 235 and I
>noticed that the condensor or capacitors' wire is broke off , also the wire
>from the bottom of the distributor is not attatched to anything. The truck
>starts and runs well, but where are these wire supposed to go. As long as I
>asking questions. When I redid my brakes one of the linings on the rear
shoes
>is thicker than the other. Did I get the right linings? Mouse2Mann aol.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 20:49:54 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Killer Stereo

a capacitor that could hold that much amperage would be the size of a coke
can! no, the best way is an electrical system that can handle it...

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 08:32 AM 4/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>George,
> A good cure for that problem would be to install a large capacitor that
>would store power for the extra notes when needed.
> Randy
> A62Unibody
> Central Arkansas Pickups club member
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:57:30 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Status of radiator replacement

Guys, I want to thank each of you who advised me on what repairs I should
request of the a/c shop that put a hole in my almost new radiator. Your
advise was very helpful. There's an interesting thread to this story.
Following your advise, I requested a new radiator (or new core at a minimum)
of the same specs & made by the same manufacturer as the one that got
damaged. The shop has thus far been fully cooperative with my request. They
tried calling the U.S. Radiator factory (L.A.,CA) --no answer so they ended
up calling a Phoenix, AZ branch (other # I gave them) and were told the
factory had large fire and would not be able to supply a replacement
radiator for a while. They patched the current radiator with a commitment
that as soon as the factory is back in business, they would replace the
radiator. Roberta with 1965 F-100 custom cab.


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:03:19 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

On all the pamphlets and literature I have for my '64, it looks like the toolbox is only about half as tall.
Ted Wnorowski
"ON STRIKE!"
Bellevue,OH

WEDIVE247 aol.com wrote:

> YES THE TOOL BOX ON YOUR 66 IS FACTORY INSTALL . I JUST GOT ONE FROM A 65
> BONE YARD DONOR AND INSTALLED IT ON MY 64 . ANY IDEAS WHERE I MIGHT GET A
> GASKET FOR IT ?
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 23:12:04 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tool box

All this talk about tool boxes has got me thinkin. Id love to put one on my
truck, but ceing the F-350, thats where the spare tire is. Im thinkin maybe
I could put it on the drivers side. Anyone out there done this?? Lemm know.
Thanks.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 00:45:32 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Point ignition

In a message dated 4/29/99 9:28:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
whdjr cyberhighway.net writes:


increased the voltage to the plugs" but it does it by preventing the
arc, not by adding to the overall field of the primary winding.
>>
Yes, the condenser stops the points from arcing. But, the way it enhances
the ignition is by absorbing the current that would have arced at the points.
This allows the primary windings to drop the magnetic Flux very rapidly.
This collapsing flux is now moving faster because current flow was stopped
almost instantaneously and therefore it will generate a higher voltage in the
secondary winding due to the increased speed of the collapsing magnetic lines
of flux as they cut through the secondary winding. As you know the faster
you spin a generator or alternator the higher the output voltage, until the
regulators take over. -- Condensers are used on many things to help keep them
form becoming RF transmitters (as you pointed out), such as generator,
voltage regulators, and etc. where they have nothing to do with increasing
the voltage. Good Point
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:31:20 -0400
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Back on the list

Hi guys (and gals),
I just got back from a brief trip to southern
California. Wow, I've never seen so many
rust-free ford trucks before, it was great!
I was hanging out near Edwards AFB and
saw dozens of older pickups that had a few
dents or faded paint but were otherwise fine.
Even the old beater trucks from the 60's had
rust-free cab supports and floors (I did get
some funny looks from folks when I got down
to look under their trucks though). Yep, makes
me wish I had a flatbed truck, lots of money,
and lots of time to go and buy a few of those
beauties. Forget California girls, give me
some of those fords from the high desert!
Too bad it's so far from there to here. Sigh!
There's a guy here in Anchorage who has
a '66 side-oiler 427 w/the H.D. toploader, all
complete and never overhauled for 7500.00.
Is this an unreasonable price? Don't know
how many miles are on it but I assume it
would need an overhaul. Yeah, that engine
in my '67 is the stuff of dreams... useless...
but dream fodder nonetheless. SWMBO
would never know it wasn't my trusty 352.
Thanks for any input you all might have.

Tim in Anchorage
'67 F-100 (in reassembly mode)
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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 01:57:10 -0400
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - P.S. Pump color

Wish,
While speeding through several FTE digests
I saw that you had enquired about the origional
color of P.S. pumps on FEs. The two I've had
(both were origional) used natural, unpainted
cast pump bodies/mounts and engine-color
cans. These were the old round-body pumps,
one on a 69 390 and the other on a 69 428 PI.
Also, if anyone is interested, the 428 PI was....


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