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61-79-list-digest Friday, April 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 145 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is to much? Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance FTE 61-79 - Steering gear box FTE 61-79 - Explorer package, was: truck info FTE 61-79 - Re: Parts Vendor Request FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request FTE 61-79 - Factory or other limited slip for dana 60 rear Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? Not Much. FTE 61-79 - Re: Colors and being A.R. Re: FTE 61-79 - Enughf is too much Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Colors and being A.R. Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors FTE 61-79 - Re: Parts Vendor Request Re: FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors FTE 61-79 - Re: Vendor Request FTE 61-79 - Ford Truck vendors FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze FTE 61-79 - rusty colored coolant FTE 61-79 - Power assist question FTE 61-79 - EGR Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze FTE 61-79 - R-12 substitutes FTE 61-79 - Part Needed FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Bondo on your valve covers ??? Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Bondo on your valve covers ??? FTE 61-79 - 429 PI FTE 61-79 - PRCA mudflaps FTE 61-79 - Tool box Re: FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors FTE 61-79 - RE: anti sieze Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance FTE 61-79 - Sliding rear window for 73 -86 Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? Not Much. Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is to much? Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request FTE 61-79 - re: 61 tailgate FTE 61-79 - Gen. FORD vs. Reproduction?? FTE 61-79 - engine wires FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD TRANNY Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires FTE 61-79 - Point ignition Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Needed Re: FTE 61-79 - EGR ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:33:09 -0400 From: "Gayland Crutchfield" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request Wow Bob...you're in for a treat! Here are a few sites to check out...plus pick up a copy of "Hemmings Motor News" and "Classic Trucks" and order some catalogs. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ford-obsolete-parts.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.macsautoparts.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintage-ford.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/index.html http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.bobdrake.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.f100.com/ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.socalpickups.com/ ..plus do some searches on altavista.com (+trucks +F-100 +parts) etc. ...make sure to get catalogs for '61 to '79 parts.....a ton of stuff out there for the '48 through '56 guys and gals......not as much for my '59.....but a good bit for your truck and my '79. Now get some catalogs and enjoy Crutch '59 F-100, '79 F-150 > > Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell >specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip, >etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of >lenses and door weatherstrip, among other things, and am trying to avoid >going to my friendly, helpful, price gouging Ford dealer to order the parts. >Any info would be greatly appreciated..........Bob >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:02:02 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize > As my previous tirades have well represented, about the only piece of > aluminum I will tolerate on an engine is an intake manifold/injection > manifold, carb, and a thermostat housing, maybe pistons. Aluminum is good > for making beverage containers, not engine components. My not so humble > opinion gained from owning aluminum engines. I am sure there are lots of > list members who disagree. I can live with that. If we all agreed with each > other all the time, I'd leave as soon as I finished throwing up :-). The aluminum content of the newer engines, combined with the 100,000 miles without lifting the hood mentality really kills me. People don't realize how relatively fragile this stuff can be, and how badly it needs cooling system maintenence. A lot of times you won't even realize it got hot, and come up with a blown head gasket. Ford has made a fortune replacing head gaskets on the aluminum head 3.8, they always seem to fail from 70,000 to 100,000 miles. Brethren, this ought not so to be. I'd say if this engine had a new thermostat and coolant every 40,000 or once a year or 18 months, it would live. The aluminum is causing a corrosive reaction to the degenerating coolant, eating at the head gasket, and cooling less efficiently(chemically). As the temperature gradually rises into a higher operating range, it warps a head. But no, they are supposed to go 100,000 miles without lifting the hood right? They don't tell people that that doesn't include the cooling system, and they won't because how better to have people break their cars. A guy will spend $2000 dollars at 70,000 miles to fix a blown head gasket, then within 6 months trade in for a new one, because "it can't be trusted anymore" making the dealership another $3000. Not much incentive to do the right thing, is there? "Properly torqued" is a better term, I agree. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 18:33:09 -0600 From: "James Draughn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is to much? Howdy again y'all! Well, my question this time is: How much is too much? I just got 2 specialty horns for my truck that I am installing tomorrow a wolf whistle and the other has a bunch of different animal sounds, melodies etc.> and I am really wanting to get a small blacklight inside the cab, a CB radio, offroad lights on my sportbar etc. ain't made of money LOL> all of which use power and I am wondering how this all will affect my battery, alternator or overall power load etc. Will too many accessories overload my system? How can I prevent this? Not go accessory crazy? LOL Thanks y'all..any help would be appreciated! You should be ok as long as you are not running all of the equipment at the same time for a very long time. The way the charging works is that whenever the battery drops below a certain voltage the alternator will start to charge the battery. When manufacturers build there cars they are usually rated to run everything stock all at the same time. For instance the heater, lights, cig lighter... it all needs to run at the same time. So for your answer to your question, I would say to much is about 8 18" subs being pushed by 8000 watts:) Seriously I have had my one amp that puts out around 600 Watts which was nothing to the charging system on all the cars I have owned, including (sad to say) a voltswagon Scirroco. Now if a weenie Voltswagon charging system could handle 1000 watts total (I din't have just one amp:))Then I think just about any Ford could handle whatever you could throw at it. One word of advice. Buy a seperate fuse block and make sure that you fuse all your add ons. I would do this by running around 8ga wire from the battery to a relay. The relay would be actuated by a seperate toggle switch that you install (Don't want all your acces on all the time). If you really want to do a good job fuse each seperate acces that you install with its own fuse (on the same aftermarket fusebox that you installed). Anyway, if you have any more questions just let me know. By the way, if you where to add a second battery all you would really suscseed in is giving your alternator even more stress, all the alternator see's is another power hungry component that needs power. You could buy a high output alternator that puts out over 100 amps, but isint really nessesarry, unless like I said you are running 8000 watts of power. Hope this helps == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 05:36:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Dixon Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? the other accessorys won't cause too much pull or strain in the battery or electral systom if they are properly installed but the second you were to turn on the Off Road lights your battery would be dead as a door nail and you would have to drive at Highway speed for a while for the alternator to catch up. I remidee this problem by adding a second altrenator and battery for my off road/ work lights. TEXAS _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:14:43 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance At 04:45 AM 4/29/99 , you wrote: >I was just curious how a machine shop goes about balancing an engine like an >FE. Can somebody briefly explain the process? Is $165 a fair price? > Well the 428's and 410's are externally balanced, so they may need the crank damper and fly wheel. They actually needed it for my 390 as well. My understanding is that they weigh all the pistons and rods to be sure those are close, and put them together so they will balance each other out, then they spin up the crank to be sure it is balanced, removing material where necessary to make it balance out. Mine needed the flywheel to be drilled a little and the balancer as well. The charge on my receipt (had to dig it out this morning for something else, aren't you lucky :) shows a list price of 160.93, but a charge of only 128.75. Go figure. Hope this helps Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:15:54 -0400 From: "Parsons, Raymond" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering gear box I need to know if a 70-73 manual gearbox is a direct replacement for a 67. Thanks, Ray == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:28:44 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - Explorer package, was: truck info >Does anyone have the following info ?: I have a 1979 F-250 Supercab. It says F->250 custom on both sides on the fenders, it also has the word 'custom ' on the >glove box door, and it says 'Explorer' on both sides on the rear of the bed. What >do CUSTOM and EXPLORER signify? Thank you in advance. > The "Explorer" packages were specially grouped options, a forerunner to the "Special Value Packages" that Ford and every other manufacturer uses now to cut down on the combinations of vehicles they have to make. There was usually 3 different levels, Explorer Package "A", "B", and "C". The Explorer package was in addition to the trucks trim level (trim level mostly refers to the seat covering, door panels, and carpet or mats on the floor, although other options were included in upgraded trim levels, such as "light group" or "convenience group"), that's why you have a truck labeled both Custom and Explorer. Your truck has either package "A" or "B" because package "C" included Ranger trim. In '79, trim levels were Custom, Ranger, Ranger XLT, and Ranger XLT Lariat. You would probably have to run down some period literature to find out what exactly each Explorer package contained. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com \( Texas Fight! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:01:25 -0600 From: "Jamey Moss" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Parts Vendor Request Bob wrote: > Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell > specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip, > etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of > lenses and door weatherstrip, among other things, and am trying to avoid > going to my friendly, helpful, price gouging Ford dealer to order the parts. > Any info would be greatly appreciated..........Bob I've assembled a few links to the various parts suppliers for 67-72 Ford trucks that I've found. The full list can be found at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/links.html If you find any other ones, please let me know what I'm missing. FWIW, I purchased my door weatherstripping and vent window gaskets from Dennis Carpenter Reproductions (really good quality), and their catalog has step-by-step instructions with pictures for installing all the gaskets. Jamey ra4001 email.sps.mot.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/ - -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:57:04 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request Try Autokrafters (800) 228 7346. Don't buy the weatherstrip from JCW, mine all cracked and was falling apart within a year. You'll have to spend about $75-$100 for a good set of door weatherstrip.... JCW does have a great thing with those plastic fender liners they sell....sure keeps things clean, especially the inside of those 67-72 front fenders that are notorious for rusting out at the bottom just in front of the door.... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:57:11 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory or other limited slip for dana 60 rear Hey Ox-Man, I have the Dana "Power Lok" setup in my 60, and it is indeed rebuildable...just put in a new set of clutches. Dana also has something called a "Trak Lok" which is a less aggressive model.....I have this in the front 44. The Power Lok I have came out of a 69 F-100 Dana 60-2 (5-lug, semi-floating) and fit right into the 72 Dana 60 full floater housing....except, the axles I had were 16 spline and the Power Lok was 30 spline (or something close to this). After a big search through junkyards and my Dana supplier, I ended up with a set of Moser axles, that weren't much more than the new Dana units.... Now comes the trouble, if I remember, seems like the Power Loks cost about $450....which was interesting, because the Trak Lok was closer to $180 (this is the entire carrier, etc. for the 44). Just check your 4x4 magazines, seems like there are about 10 people selling every brand of limited slip. I found the most effective way is to write down exactly what you are looking for and fax it to them. Its real nice to compare written quotes.... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:12:52 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? Not Much. Thanks for your message at 01:01 AM 4/29/99 EDT, Bad4dFilly aol.com. Your message was: >Howdy again y'all! Well, my question this time is: How much is too much? I >just got 2 specialty horns for my truck that I am installing tomorrow >a wolf whistle and the other has a bunch of different animal sounds, melodies >etc.> and I am really wanting to get a small blacklight inside the cab, a CB >radio, offroad lights on my sportbar etc. >ain't made of money LOL> all of which use power and I am wondering how this >all will affect my battery, alternator or overall power load etc. Will too >many accessories overload my system? How can I prevent this? Not go accessory >crazy? LOL Thanks y'all..any help would be appreciated! Of course the more stuff you put on (and have turned on), the more load you are putting on your electrical system. Consider relays, switches, etc...My father fried his headlight switch from having too many running lights. Sounds like you are trying for meretricious beauty... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:43:45 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Colors and being A.R. wish wrote: > I was also thinkin of puttin a satin finish black on the pulleys and > brackets ... any suggestions ? If you are looking for a high temp paint, I used Rustoleum Barbeque Black on my radiator and fan shroud. It looks more satin than flat. Heck I may just clean up my BBQ and paint it too. Nah. > The motor should look pretty good, lets just hope it runs as good! > I've got chrome valve covers and oilpan, everything else (not mentioned > above) is the darker ford blue, ... Sounds good. I wish I used the dark blue on mine. At the time I was thinking I wanted the original color. Also on chrome valve covers, I looked high and low for aluminum ones for FE's. Couldn't find them anywhere so I got the Motorsport chrome. Looks like PAW has finned aluminum covers that say COBRA on them. Polished or black. Darn! My chrome ones are rusting already. Mark in Southwest Washington www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 07:44:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Dixon Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Enughf is too much You would think that an alternator could take anything that you could through at it bub once I turned on my 6 800,000 Candel Watt KC Lites the battery went from new to nill, Amplefiers doesn't pull as much juice as OFF ROAD lites do and if you plan to use the lights I would suggest investing in a beefed up or second alternator and a second battery for your lighting accessorys. Texas 1972 F250 4x4 toy 1972 F250 4x2 work truck _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:48:52 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Colors and being A.R. >If you are looking for a high temp paint, I used Rustoleum Barbeque >Black on my radiator and fan shroud. It looks more satin than flat. >Heck I may just clean up my BBQ and paint it too. Nah. > Hey good idea, I'm runnin errands over lunch I'll pick some of that up! >Sounds good. I wish I used the dark blue on mine. At the time I was >thinking I wanted the original color. I debated that (staying "stock"), but then look at all the different years of the truck, what would "stock" be anyway ??? 'Course yours might actually be just one truck, or mostly one, mine's like 4 .... Also on chrome valve covers, I >looked high and low for aluminum ones for FE's. Couldn't find them >anywhere so I got the Motorsport chrome. Looks like PAW has finned >aluminum covers that say COBRA on them. Polished or black. Darn! >My chrome ones are rusting already. > Check the 'stang stuff, you can find them all over the place, Tony Branda has some that say LeMans on them, others that say Cobra or Cobra 428 I think .... lots of different ones. But look at the price on them! Like $130 or so for the pair ... seemed steep to me, but then I don't NEED aluminum either :) Course I didn't NEED chrome, but it looks good :) Mine are the factory ones with the square around the Power By Ford type, kinda unique I think since everyone else has the "script" Power By Ford on their chrome ones ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:04:21 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize Actually they claim that you won't need to tune it up for 100K. They don't say that the vehicle is "maintenance free". All of the recommended services still apply it's just that the spark plugs supposedly don't need replacing for 100K. However, you are right about the "mentality" aspect of their advertising. It is sort of deceptive since the only thing they have changed is the plug replacement intervals and in some cases the coolant replacement intervals. All of the filters and LOFs remain the same. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: William L. Ballinger To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 5:03 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize >The aluminum content of the newer engines, combined with the 100,000 >miles without lifting the hood mentality really kills me. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:10:40 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Anti-Seize >Actually they claim that you won't need to tune it up for 100K. They don't >say that the vehicle is "maintenance free". Have you guys seen the ad for the foreign car that claims you can "practically" weld the hood shut ... all I keep thinkin is "Man I hope that headlight doesn't burn out, cause you have to do that through the hood on those ...." You know other stuff will go wrong, but just all the complications that are introduced ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:00:19 -0400 From: David Henderson Subject: FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors Since we're talking about engine colors, here's what mine is going to look like. I dipped all of the covers (except the aluminum timing cover) and then removed all latent rust (the engine I'm restoring had been out in a friend's yard. It was free...what can I say) and then primer-ed them. I first painted the "Power by Ford" script on the valve cover the dark Ford blue, taped that up and then painted the rest of it a satin flat black. All of the other covers and water pump are the same satin flat black. This weekend I'm going to do the same thing I did to the valve covers to my new 4bbl. intake from Clifford, paint the "Clifford" part dark Ford blue and the rest satin flat black (remember, I'm doing a 300 I6). The block and head will be the dark Ford red. As for an update on the engine rebuild status. I got the crank back from the machinist today. Going to take the block and head over to a different machinist who supposedly bores each cylinder to fit individual pistons this coming Saturday morning. I still do not have all of the head kit from Clifford in yet and should receive my headers from them early next week. Looks like in two weeks I should be able to put everything back together. Thanks!! Dave H 1979 F250 4x4 300 I6 (soon to be a "torque-monster") - -- _ _| ~~. David Henderson \, _} DHenders VT.Edu \( Gig 'em Aggies! '93 Currently at: Interdepartmental Genetics Program 2010 Litton Reaves Hall Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540)231-4773 (540)231-5014 DHenders VT.Edu http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dasc.vt.edu/henderson/dhenderson.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:28:21 -0400 From: "Don Haring, Jr." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Parts Vendor Request Bob asked: > Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell > specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door > weatherstrip, etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I was at the Carlisle, PA show last week, and I picked up a catalog from "Midwest Early Ford". The catalog is for 1961-72 Ford Truck and is labeled "$4.00", but it was free at the show. It's a good catalog with plenty to look at, but I haven't ordered anything yet. They also had lots of parts for the earlier Ford trucks, too, if anyone needs those. Midwest Early Ford, (800) 543-5035. - -don - --- Don in Philadelphia, FCA #08142 | 61 Futura Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Deluxe Club Wagon Visit Falconaut: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconaut | and classic scooters == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:19:47 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors >Since we're talking about engine colors, here's what mine is going to look >like. I dipped all of the covers (except the aluminum timing cover) and then >removed all latent rust (the engine I'm restoring had been out in a friend's >yard. It was free...what can I say) and then primer-ed them. I first painted >the "Power by Ford" script on the valve cover the dark Ford blue, taped that up >and then painted the rest of it a satin flat black. All of the other covers >and water pump are the same satin flat black. This weekend I'm going to do the >same thing I did to the valve covers to my new 4bbl. intake from Clifford, >paint >the "Clifford" part dark Ford blue and the rest satin flat black (remember, I'm >doing a 300 I6). The block and head will be the dark Ford red. > Wow, that's gotta be a wicked combination! sure to turn a few heads I'll bet! >As for an update on the engine rebuild status. I got the crank back from the >machinist today. Going to take the block and head over to a different >machinist who supposedly bores each cylinder to fit individual pistons this >coming Saturday morning. I still do not have all of the head kit from Clifford >in yet and should receive my headers from them early next week. Looks like in >two weeks I should be able to put everything back together. > Good luck with things, I know I have been saying just another month for the last 3 ... 'course it took longer to get it out of the shop than I'd thought ... hey with fewer cylinders you should be able to get done in 3/4ths the time right ? :) Keep us updated, I deifinitely want to see pics of this one! Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:31:07 -0400 From: "Tim Green" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Vendor Request > Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell >specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip, >etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of >lenses and door weatherstrip, Two of the best are: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dennis-carpenter.com/ in Charlotte, NC 800-476-9653 and http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.macsautoparts.com/ in Lockport, NY 800-777-0948 - -Tim www.ctel.net/~oldfords 66 F-100 428 P.I. (Screaming Yellow Zonker) 87 F150 4.9 55 Mainline 289 (The Flivver) 87 Mustang 2.3 81 Mustang 2.3 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:27:02 -0400 From: "Don Haring, Jr." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Truck vendors I forgot to mention my favorite catalog parts vendor -- Mac's, in NY. They only carry Ford parts, and they have *14* different catalogs for different Ford vehciles. There is a Ford P/U (49-72) catalog, and all catalogs are FREE. They use Ford part numbers, so finding things is easy. I've always had good service through them as I order fairly often for my Falcons. They are they only company I know of that has a separate first generation Econoline catalog. MAC's (800) 777 - 0948 - -don - --- Don in Philadelphia, FCA #08142 | 61 Futura Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Deluxe Club Wagon Visit Falconaut: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconaut | and classic scooters == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:45:19 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze >>Would you leave by, say, hopping in your V*ga and driving away??? marko, I did own a V*ga back in the mid 70s. It made several trips on a tow hook. I take it that you have a good idea of where I got my distaste for aluminum engine components. I also owned a Grand Am, a Cutlass Calais, several HT4100 Cadillacs both rear drive and front drive. They all had one thing in common. They were continuously needing attention in the engine compartment and all required special cooling additives to pamper the aluminum heads and blocks. They leaked coolant in various places. The V*ga used as much oil as it did gasoline. The Cadillacs were under powered and over priced and three of them left me stranded away from home. The 4th one never stranded me but the warning lights periodically would light up like a shuttle launch control panel. No one in the state of Texas could fix them and plenty tried. Like my signature line says, Dearborn IRON............ - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:24:02 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - rusty colored coolant Josh, I thought of something else that may be causing your rusty colored coolant. If someone put some stop leak in the system somewhere along the line, it may be slowly dissolving now and would look very much like rust. It may have had some rust trapped in its clot even. Since your engine is new, what about your radiator. If it is new and/or freshly flushed and vatted, then just dismiss this as the errant ramblings of an old ******* (fill in the blank). - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 10:37:23 -0600 From: Kirk Baillie Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power assist question This is a question for all you power assist experts. I own a 74 250 4X4 and the power assist only seems to work when I turn left, and not when I turn right. Would the problem lie in the cylinder ram itself or in the control valve. p.s maybe i'll just have to perform the swap!! Thanks Kirk Baillie == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 webtv.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - EGR Besides making my truck run like crap is a bad egr bad for my engine? Julia == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:40:56 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze >I did own a V*ga back in the mid 70s. It made several trips on a tow hook. >I take it that you have a good idea of where I got my distaste for aluminum >engine components. I also owned a Grand Am, a Cutlass Calais, several >HT4100 Cadillacs both rear drive and front drive. Wow, no offense but you picked all the winners didn't you ? I suppose the Gutless was a Quad 4 as well ? From what I hear the Neon could be your next car... I think most of the problem with this approach is the aluminum head on a steel block ... different expansion rates can't be good for the gaskets ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:12:03 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - R-12 substitutes Well gang, I have read what I can about R-12 substitutes. Can anyone give me the quick and dirty low down on propane? Quantities needed? Special equipment for servicing? Let your unwanted brother-in-law who smokes check the service valves for leaks? TIA. - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:20:12 -0400 From: "Graves, Greg" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Part Needed Hi Everyone, I posted this request on the classifieds the other day, but I wanted to ask here also in case not everybody reads the classifieds on a regular basis. I need a complete choke cable assembly for a '67 F100/350. The previous owner cut part of mine off so it's now useless. Didn't know if anyone that has done a swap to a carb. w/ automatic choke might still have the old choke cable. E-mail privately if you want to. Thanks in advance Greg Graves Facilities Services UNC-Chapel Hill GGraves fac.unc.edu 1967 F350 Stake Bed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:22:13 -0400 From: "Serian" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Bondo on your valve covers ??? >Can I use Bondo to fill any of the small dents in the >valve covers? I have beat them out the best I can. >Has anyone tried this? Will it take the heat of the >engine compartment? How about the Bondo with >fiber glass? Any help would be appreciated. umm ... bondo ?? I don't think it would stand up very well to the repeated thermal expansion/contraction as you run the engine up to temperature and let it cool while yer not driving .. You might try grinding the paint off to the bare metal and filling the dents and dings with some good no-lead solder, and sandin them smooth. Paint over it with some good high-temp engine paint, and if ya did a good solder and sand job, it would be hard to tell that they ever were dinged up. [ WARNING: sounds easier than it actually is ..] JB Weld might be an option, too, but I have not actually noted its tolerance for repeated thermal shock. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:25:45 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Bondo on your valve covers ??? >JB Weld might be an option, too, but I have not actually >noted its tolerance for repeated thermal shock. > Dad saw a reputable machine shop use the stuff to repair a head once ... not a combustion chamber crack, but an external one of some sort ... anyway if they trust it to stay in during those heat cycles ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:05:05 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429 PI Elliott writes: >>for a fellow that acquired, and then decided not to use, a 429 police interceptor. Price unknown, it has not been rebuilt, if someone is interested, email me and I will give the machinists phone number. It is in middle TN. I'd like the phone # fir whoever has this engine. IF it has the correct head castring #'s, then I would definately be interested. Azie Ardmore, Al.(90 miles south of Nashtown, Tn) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:06:38 PDT From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - PRCA mudflaps I tried to get some info from the tack shop that I've ordered the mudflaps from in the past. The owner/operator is out of town for the rest of the week, I'll have to check back the beginning of next week. So it'll be a few days. But I let you know what I find out. Marty _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:58:41 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tool box Stoney writes: >>I've been told that the tool box in the passenger side of the bed was on the Ranger models in the mid to late '70's. My '74 F150 Ranger 4X4 had this option. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Since we're talking about engine colors Wish wrote: > >two weeks I should be able to put everything back together. > > > Good luck with things, I know I have been saying just another month for the > last 3 ... 'course it took longer to get it out of the shop than I'd > thought ... hey with fewer cylinders you should be able to get done in > 3/4ths the time right ? :) My last (foreign) six cyl took the idiot about 1 mo / hole. I now support a new machinist, and had thoughts about moving to the other coast to support Jim & Stu's favorite, and I really wouldn't care what color the valves springs he wants to use:-) - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:40:14 -0700 From: "Wiltzius, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: anti sieze Howdy folks, Regarding anti sieze - ever since I broke two sockets and a ratchet, bent a breaker bar, and eventually broke the lug stud off on my folks car back in the seventies trying to get a stuck lug nut off, I have always put a small bit of heavy grease (wheel bearing is best) on each stud as I put the nuts back on. I've never had another stuck one. I have also never had one come loose. Another practice I have is if anyone (another shop or whatever) puts the lugs on with an impact wrench, I loosen all nuts back home and re torque by hand so I can get the #$% #$ things off out in the middle of nowhere. Also I have never used anti sieze on sparkplug, just be careful of crossthreading, stripping, and over tightening. Tom Reno,NV 62 F113 4x4 97 FXD == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance Someone asked: > >I was just curious how a machine shop goes about balancing an engine like an > >FE. Can somebody briefly explain the process? Is $165 a fair price? > > Pistons are matched (weight) +/- a gram or two, as are the rods (total rod weight, along with big end and small end weight). All of this is done by grinding or milling on non-critical spots. A weight representing the piston/rod combo weight is then placed on each crank throw (Can't think of the name of this thing, CRS!), and the crank is spin balanced. The flywheel, clutch pressure plate, and harmonic balancer (crank pully) are then neutral balanced individually, usually by drilling holes around the perimeter. 'Neutral balance' means that if the part is suspended from its center point, it will lie flat and not tip to one side. If the engine is 'externally balanced (some FEs are), then the crank, flywheel, and pully are balanced as an assembly. This is the case when there isn't enough mass in the crank counter weights to properly balance the crank by itself. $165 sounds about right. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:20:42 -0700 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sliding rear window for 73 -86 I seen this listing on http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auction.fairmarket.com and thought some of you might be interested. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://auctions.fairmarket.com/Scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=138119&SiteCatNo=8 It's listed for $39 Terry http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pages.hotbot.com/fan/65fordf100/index.html Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:17:24 -0500 From: cannandale netpointe.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH? Not Much. well besides that, it just gets flat out confusing, unless you buy colro coded wire, but who does.. I all kinds of electrical stuff on the 78 f150 i used to have, it drove me nutz... cannandale '78 F250 4x4, 460 At 10:18 AM 4/29/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Thanks for your message at 01:01 AM 4/29/99 EDT, Bad4dFilly aol.com. Your >message was: >>Howdy again y'all! Well, my question this time is: How much is too much? I >>just got 2 specialty horns for my truck that I am installing tomorrow >>a wolf whistle and the other has a bunch of different animal sounds, >melodies >>etc.> and I am really wanting to get a small blacklight inside the cab, a CB >>radio, offroad lights on my sportbar etc. >>ain't made of money LOL> all of which use power and I am wondering how this >>all will affect my battery, alternator or overall power load etc. Will too >>many accessories overload my system? How can I prevent this? Not go >accessory >>crazy? LOL Thanks y'all..any help would be appreciated! > >Of course the more stuff you put on (and have turned on), the more load you >are putting on your electrical system. Consider relays, switches, etc...My >father fried his headlight switch from having too many running lights. > >Sounds like you are trying for meretricious beauty... > > >Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA > >1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C >1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed >1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) > I shortened this to only FT's > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance I wrote: [Balance details snipped] > $165 sounds about right. One thing to ask is to make sure detailed records are either kept by the machine shop, or given to you. That way if anything ugly happens during assembly, the job can possibly be repeated on a new individual part without having to re-balance the entire engine. It's been known to happen :-) - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: How much is to much? Someone wrote: > Howdy again y'all! Well, my question this time is: How much is too much? I > just got 2 specialty horns for my truck that I am installing tomorrow > a wolf whistle and the other has a bunch of different animal sounds, > melodies > etc.> and I am really wanting to get a small blacklight inside the cab, a CB > radio, offroad lights on my sportbar etc. > ain't made of money LOL> all of which use power and I am wondering how this > all will affect my battery, alternator or overall power load etc. Will too > many accessories overload my system? How can I prevent this? Not go > accessory crazy? LOL Thanks y'all..any help would be appreciated! Well, most of those 'accesories' don't use power all the time, just fuse each individually, and don't overload existing existing switches with the extra current (use relays). If you're really worried, install a good voltmeter and learn how to use it to keep an eye on your battery. James replied: > [Big snip] Seriously I have had my one amp that puts out > around 600 Watts which was nothing to the charging system on all the cars I > have owned, including (sad to say) a voltswagon Scirroco. Now if a weenie > Voltswagon charging system could handle 1000 watts total (I din't have just > one amp:))Then I think just about any Ford could handle whatever you could > [remainder snipped] Well, stereo wattages have been know to be slightly inflated:-). Lets see, 600 watts at twelve volts is, hmmm, 50 amps. Just for grins, check out the fuse on that stereo. I'll bet it's no more than about 15 amps, which, at 100% efficiency, is about 90 watts per channel. A 15 amp fuse will eventually blow at a continuous 15 amp level, so they are derated to about 80%, or about 12 amps. That's more like 72 watts/channel, again at 100% efficiency. Now, your kilowatt stereo may have been able to put out a kilowatt, but it would be, at best, a peak power rating, and it can't do that for very long (think milli-seconds). Typical HD truck alternators are about 50-60 amps (600-700 watts), 100 to 120 amp alternators are available, but at quite a premium. Motorola alternators (used on some Scirrocos, like the one I used to own) put out about 30-40 amps. I would imagine the Bosch built alternators rest are similar. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:01:57 -0400 From: "stevegoins" Subject: Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request I've found autokrafters( www.auto krafters.  com ) and Dennis Pearson Reproductions( www.dennispearson.com) to both be reliable for weatherstrip,gaskets seals and those other hard to find small but nagging things. steve 63 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:13:48 -0400 From: "stevegoins" Subject: FTE 61-79 - re: 61 tailgate hey brian, the years you are looking for are 60-65 (HELP on this one guys ?) depending on style (Uni-body or standard) and bed style step-side or standard. The bad news is that these had a nasty habit of rusting out from the inside at the bottom on out. By the time you discovered it , TOO LATE !!. If you are lucky enough to find one in good shape in the mid-Atlantic area expect to pay out of the nose and your first born too . $500.00 or more. If you find a second one lemme know. Steve 63 F-100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:38:21 -0400 From: "Gayland Crutchfield" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gen. FORD vs. Reproduction?? Just curious as to experiences in purchasing genuine FORD parts vs. reproductions. Example:I'm looking at chrome headlamp doors for '79 F-150...in (AutoKrafters) catalog the genuine's are $68.95 and the repro's are $22.95. Are the genuine's that much better? Any advice out there?? Crutch 59F-100 & 79F-150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:07:54 EDT From: Mouse2Mann aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine wires I've been cleaning, repairing, fixing, stuff on my 62 Unibody 235 and I noticed that the condensor or capacitors' wire is broke off , also the wire from the bottom of the distributor is not attatched to anything. The truck starts and runs well, but where are these wire supposed to go. As long as I asking questions. When I redid my brakes one of the linings on the rear shoes is thicker than the other. Did I get the right linings? Mouse2Mann aol.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:18:01 EDT From: JefriHansn aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150 4WD TRANNY Anybody out there in or around the North Chicago/Great Lakes Naval Base know where a guy can get a new or rebuilt NP435 tranny? I've searched the world over and thought I had found one, I saved my pennies and ........ they went outta buisness (Cherry Hill Automotive in Mundeline - or at least thier phone's been disconnected - not a good sign). I found a used one in the bone yard today - went to look at it, been sitt'n, opened, in the dirt "since about 95". Guy actually wanted 250 bucks for all that rust. Told him he could keep "want'n". == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:49:27 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance this is how i used to do it. weigh all the pistons with the pins, drill the heavier pistons until they all weigh the same as the lightest one. weigh the large end of the rod, grind off material from cap till they weigh the same, next weigh the whole rod, then grind the small end until they all weigh the same, weigh the rings, brgs etc, work out the formula ( can't remember how). the crank with the balancer, flywheel, and weights to similate the rod and piston weights is turned in a balancing machine, then the counter balancers are drilled till you get a vibration free assembly, similar to balancing a tire. 165.00 is a good price, some don't think its worth the expense on street engines, but i do. the winston cup cars might last 250 miles if they were not balanced. did i leave out anything? its been a long time since i did any balancing. jeff grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:57:57 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance good point, i had to refer back to our records from time to time. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:57:50 -0500 From: "Ted Stringfellow" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - engine wires The condensor is largely a noise filter. How does your radio sound? Not sure about the distributor wire. - -----Original Message----- From: Mouse2Mann aol.com To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:13 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine wires >I've been cleaning, repairing, fixing, stuff on my 62 Unibody 235 and I >noticed that the condensor or capacitors' wire is broke off , also the wire >from the bottom of the distributor is not attatched to anything. The truck >starts and runs well, but where are these wire supposed to go. As long as I >asking questions. When I redid my brakes one of the linings on the rear shoes >is thicker than the other. Did I get the right linings? Mouse2Mann aol.com >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:24:51 -0700 From: bill dunn Subject: FTE 61-79 - Point ignition Was reading a while back about a discussion on what the function of the capacitor (condenser) was in a point ignition and the conclusion was not totally correct. I am a little behind on reading the posts so if someone has already covered this subject pleas accept my apologies for taking up space on the list, if it has been covered maybe ken can delete it. I have had no formal training in auto mechanics (just work on my own stuff, and sometimes the wife's and kids and dogs and cats stuff) so if someone who has finds an error please correct it for the list. In the post the writer made the statement "I think the capacitor is used to increase the voltage for the plugs" or something of that nature, I do not have the post for the exact statement. The writer is partially correct but not in the way I think he was thinking. The point ignition system has been with us for a long time and is really pretty basic, and not a whole lot of parts to the system, the points, plugs, some wires, a distributor, and of course the coil and a capacitor. A little basics: The coil or to be correct is a auto transformer, that is a transformer that uses three wires instead of four for operation. It is a step up transformer of course stepping up the voltage from 6vdc to over 25000vdc depending on the application. Yes that is correct most point systems use only six volts for the ignition, 12 to start the engine but six to run, thus the purpose of the step down resistor or resistor wire. As you all know a transformer cannot pass dc current but must be a form of ac, thus the reason for the points. Earlier I mentioned the transformer only has three leads for operation, one of which goes to the plugs, one going to the points, and the third lead, which is battery voltage and the common lead for both the primary and secondary windings. To create the output voltage for the plugs you must first charge up the primary winding using the 6 volts from the system. The power comes form the bat to the common terminal on the coil, through the primary winding and out to the points. When the points are closed the circuit is completed through ground and the primary windings become saturated, and creates the primary magnetic field, but at this point nothing else happens, remember I said a transformer cannot pass DC current, only a form of AC. It is only when the points open and the primary field collapses the voltage is induced into the secondary winding creating the high voltage for the plugs. It is this building up and collapsing of the magnetic field that creates the output, not the DC current. Now the function of the capacitor in this whole operation is to prevent arcing of the points when they open. Any time the points are closed the capacitor will discharge through them to ground. If the capacitor was not in the circuit when the points opened, you would get a arc across the points allowing some of the voltage across the primary to bleed off and reducing the high voltage output. The purpose of the capacitor is to prevent this arc and keep the primary E as high as possible. As soon as the points begin to open the capacitor charges and instead of the current arcing across the points and being reduced, it can maintain itself at a full charge. Also at this same time the field begins to collapse and we get a spark. I am sure some of you will state that the purpose of the capacitor is to reduce radio noise. That is a by product of the capacitor, but not its main function. Any time you have anything arcing it in effect becomes a transmitter and this noise can be picked up by most radios, the capacitor prevents the arc, thus preventing the points from becoming a transmitter...... So you can see the writer was partially correct in his statement "it increased the voltage to the plugs" but it does it by preventing the arc, not by adding to the overall field of the primary winding. Bill Boise Idaho == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 23:14:08 -0500 From: "Ted Stringfellow" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Part Needed If you don't have luck, you might try modifying a lawn mower throttle cable. I remember trying that on one of my Fords back in the 70s..... 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