61-79-list-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 03 : Number 144



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - thanks for the heater help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Colors and being A.R.
FTE 61-79 - 61 tailgate
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion
FTE 61-79 - Checking compression
FTE 61-79 - Dealer installed A/C
FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?
FTE 61-79 - --shocks--
Re: FTE 61-79 - Checking compression
Re: FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings
FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze
FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness
FTE 61-79 - truck bed
FTE 61-79 - type camshaft
FTE 61-79 - Pwr steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness
Re: FTE 61-79 - Web pages
Re: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness
FTE 61-79 - truck info
Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 tailgate
FTE 61-79 - Smog Pump
FTE 61-79 - Neutral switch
FTE 61-79 - 428/390 power
FTE 61-79 - Oil coolers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Neutral switch
FTE 61-79 - No turn signals
FTE 61-79 - switch
FTE 61-79 - Overbored 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - Overbored 390
FTE 61-79 - Factory or other limited slip for dana 60 rear.
FTE 61-79 - 410 not an FE
FTE 61-79 - The other 410
FTE 61-79 - Re:Re:Rusty Coolant (FE Leak)
FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?
FTE 61-79 - Bondo on the valve covers?
FTE 61-79 - Re: anti-sieze
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request
FTE 61-79 - bronco swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion
FTE 61-79 - Better Power Steering
FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH?
Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - bronco swap
FTE 61-79 - Engine Balance

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:16:07 PDT
From: "eldon eversull"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thanks for the heater help

Thanks to all of you for the help on my heater. I have a shop manual,
but nothing is original under the hood as there is a 302 from and 1970
Torino residing there.

There is pressure on the lower hose to the heater core, but the water
is not returning to the water pump. I tried to have the core charged
with water when I installed it, but most ran out. I like the
suggestion of using a garden hose on the installed core to charge it
and see water running out of the hose to the water pump. I will try
this on Friday and update the list.

Eldon 1964 F100

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:14:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Colors and being A.R.

Well since I know Stu and a few others know what colors things are supposed
to be, I thought I'd ask about my 390 I'm puttin together. I've already
got the blue too dark for the year, but I'd like it to at least look close
to original.

I'm wondering what color the power steering pump and all the bracketry is
supposed to be. It seems like the ps pump is supposed to be blue adonized
(sp?), but I doubt I can find that in a spray can, so anyone know a color
that is close ? I was also thinkin of puttin a satin finish black on the
pulleys and brackets ... any suggestions ? Also wondering about the carb
spacer ... blue ? Natural ?

The motor should look pretty good, lets just hope it runs as good! I've
got chrome valve covers and oilpan, everything else (not mentioned above)
is the darker ford blue, and I've got a stainless bolt kit for everything
(though the front cover bolts wont all be right). Also gonna stick with the
natural color for the fuel pump I think ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:39:49 -0400
From: Brian Roczen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61 tailgate

Hi

I'm looking for a tailgate for a 61 (or its applicable twin years) ford P/U.
Something in fair to excellent shape. The real constraint is that you be
either in the up-state New York area OR be within 50 or so miles from I-81
between knoxville, TN and Syracuse NY. The idea is that I'll be traveling I-81
in May, (home for the summer, yeh!!) so I could stop and pick it up.

please reply personally to:
roczen math.utk.edu

thanks a lot!

Brian Roczen
Dept. of Mathematics
University of Tennessee
Brewer, Patriot







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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:03:13 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
>
> I went through this very shortly before I got my F-350. An easy way to ID a
> 60 from a 70 is to clean the crud off the upper portion of the passenger side
> of the pumpkin. If you see a 60, you have a 60, if you see a 70, you have a
> 70. But I have also seen a 60 with no marks at all, so I cant help ya if
> there are no marks.

It was probably a dana 61, same as 60, but carrier is offset about 5/8
of an inch. Not much aftermarket support for it.

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:19:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Checking compression

I have an old 390 in the Supercab I am getting ready to sell. When
I checked the compression it had been sitting for a several hours.
I checked the cylinders in this order 5-6-7-8-1-2-3-4. They all
read between 165 and 185 except for #6 which was 125. I checked #6
again. This time it was 160.

I assume the crank had turned enough times to slop some oil into the
cylinder, upping the compression reading.

I heard you are supposed to check compression on a warm engine.
If the engine had been recently running I probably would not have
gotten the 125 reading.

Obviously, something is amiss with #5, but is it as bad as it seems?
Should I take 125 as the accurate reading? Should I just do it all
over again with the engine warmed up?

The motor starts every time and runs fine (after I replaced the
condenser). I don't know the history of this motor because it
came out of the F-100 I just bought. How should I describe the
condition of this motor to a potential buyer? Tired? Worn out?
Just rebuilt? :)

Mark in Southwest Washington
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:23:27 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dealer installed A/C

I have one of these units if anyone is interested.
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John L. McKay
Mesa, Arizona
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:30:12 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?

Hey Jeff,

Just try to resist the tendency to turn that 78 F-250 you get into another
pull truck!!!

Good luck!

CJ
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:30:22 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - --shocks--

Hey Rob,

Just bought a set for this 78 I'm working on from Superlift.....they have
them for all different lifts...

Give them a try...

CJ
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:35:43 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Checking compression

>The motor starts every time and runs fine (after I replaced the
>condenser). I don't know the history of this motor because it
>came out of the F-100 I just bought. How should I describe the
>condition of this motor to a potential buyer? Tired? Worn out?
>Just rebuilt? :)
>
Around here they'd say it was rebuilt by the p.o. I'd probably tell them
it starts and runs fine, seems to have good power, and if everything checks
out on a warm compression test, then I'd tell them that. If they ask,
definitely tell them you had trouble with the#5 cylinder, if they don't and
they aren't that concerned with the motor, then don't mention it ...

'course I've never sold a car either ...

:)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:49:36 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings

Thanks for your message at 07:17 PM 4/27/99 -0400, j arnold. Your message was:
>I've been told that the tool box in the passenger side of the bed was on
>the Ranger models in the mid to late '70's.


I have one on my '66 250. Not a very secure lock...I wouldn't put
anything very valuable in there.
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:13:52 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze

>>Clean threads and lots of
torque are the hot ticket in my book.

Not a flame, just my .02

Bill,

Not taken as a flame. I agree with almost all of the above quoted
statement. Let's change 'lots of torque' to 'proper torque' and you get my
vote. Over torque can stretch a lug bolt and cause premature failure. I
guess I don't realize the impact of road salt etc. and am spoiled by the
good roads in Texas. I have read warnings in several places specifically
against putting any form of lubricant on lug nuts or lug bolts. While it is
true that the face is designed to maintain the grip, the fit of the threads
is important in slowing the departure of lug nuts should they come loose.
Cars used to have left hand threaded bolts on the left side so that the
forward turning motion of the wheel when transferred to the bolt or nut
would cause them to tighten, not loosen and fall off or out. The same was
true for spindle nuts. As a person who has had garage mechanics fail to
tighten all lug nuts and wound up with them rattling around in the hub cap,
I pay particular attention to them. I have also watched a reputable garage
mechanic put a lug nut in an impact wrench and proceed to destroy the nut
and stud. No thank you. I may be old and slow, but I can trust my methods.

As my previous tirades have well represented, about the only piece of
aluminum I will tolerate on an engine is an intake manifold/injection
manifold, carb, and a thermostat housing, maybe pistons. Aluminum is good
for making beverage containers, not engine components. My not so humble
opinion gained from owning aluminum engines. I am sure there are lots of
list members who disagree. I can live with that. If we all agreed with each
other all the time, I'd leave as soon as I finished throwing up :-).

Don't take the tone of this message wrong. I am simply trying to state my
reasons clearly so that anyone who is undecided can make an intelligent
choice. That's why I'm here. What anyone does with/to their truck is their
business, just be prepared for the possible consequences.

- -John

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:32:56 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness

My 79 4X4 F250's power steering has morning sickness. About 3 weeks ago it
started getting hard to steer when I first started it up, but only in
certain spots, almost like it was binding but it feels like it's losing
power assist. It wouldn't return well through those spots either. It would
be fine after it warmed up. It has been getting progressively worse and
taking longer and longer to go away. It it were rack & pinion I would say it
was the rack since I've seen this on allot of "newer" pass. cars when the
piston eats into the cylinder. But this is an integral Ford box. The fluid
is full and in good shape and the pump isn't making any abnormal noises. The
linkage looks good and I've lubed them all. I crawled underneath and checked
for any binding/interference. Some of you must have encountered this before,
do I have a bad box or a bad pump?

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:34:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Robert Hurley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck bed

Recently purchased a 69 f100 which is in dire need of a replacement bed.
Does anyone know which model years beds will fit on the truck with out
major modification?

There ya go.

Robert Hurley p001393b pb.seflin.org


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:50:22 -0700
From: "Barry Renfro"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - type camshaft

Want to know best type of cam for a 300 w/3on tree, have a heavy camper

thanks
69f100-300,4x2

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:50:07 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pwr steering

I've had a week off, so that is why the late response;

J S H writes: >>From what I understand, installing 77-79 F-250 4x4 box is the
way to go but I have not done this swap on my 76.(yet)

Should read '78 - '79. My '77 F250 4X4 has the Ram cylinder.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:53:28 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness

Bill,
I have a '78 f250 4x4 and my seems to be doing something similar to what
you described except mine only does it when I'm menuvering. If you find
out the problem I'd appreciate if you let me know also.
Thanks!

Rob
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:05:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Web pages

>Let me know what you think. I've found the info very useful.
>
Looks great, I'll probably link to it if I ever get the tuning the carb and
things with vacuum gauges done :) Just gotta get that motor in so I can
get some pics.... and practice, just doesn't work as well with SEFI and no
dist. ...

>Got a toolbox from a bed out at my brother-in-laws'. Someone told me
>the camper specials had these. It mounts on the passenger side, lower

Sounds like a neat addition to an old truck. I read something on it in my
Ford Truck Red Book, but don't remember what now. There was a year or two
that the spare tire was stored behind a similar door, I think that was the
camper special thing, maybe the box was too, can't remember right now.


Also on the web side of things, many of you won't care that I updated my
web page about my 'stang, but some will. A few more of you may want to
note that there has been progress made and noted on the rebuild page for my
truck motor. Still no pictures yet though, haven't used all the film up,
but probably by the end of the week.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:06:54 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness

Yep that's how mine started too. At first I could only really feel it when
it was cold and I was doing very low/no speed turning. It was fine when
driving after it warmed up. It's just been getting progressively worse
especially cold.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: Rob Long
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Morning sickness


>Bill,
>I have a '78 f250 4x4 and my seems to be doing something similar to what
>you described except mine only does it when I'm menuvering. If you find
>out the problem I'd appreciate if you let me know also.
>Thanks!
>
>Rob
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:33:40 -0800
From: Alex C
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck info

Does anyone have the following info ?: I have a 1979 F-250 Supercab. It says F-250
custom on both sides on the fenders, it also has the word 'custom ' on the glove box
door, and it says 'Explorer' on both sides on the rear of the bed. What do CUSTOM
and EXPLORER signify? Thank you in advance.

Alex


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:29:31 -0700
From: Marko
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze

>As my previous tirades have well represented, about the only piece of
>aluminum I will tolerate on an engine is an intake manifold/injection
>manifold, carb, and a thermostat housing, maybe pistons. Aluminum is good
>for making beverage containers, not engine components. My not so humble
>opinion gained from owning aluminum engines. I am sure there are lots of
>list members who disagree. I can live with that. If we all agreed with each
>other all the time, I'd leave as soon as I finished throwing up :-).
>
Would you leave by, say, hopping in your V*ga and driving away???


marko :^]

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:25:34 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 tailgate

Thanks for your message at 09:39 AM 4/28/99 -0400, Brian Roczen. Your
message was:
>I'm looking for a tailgate for a 61 (or its applicable twin years) ford
P/U.
>Something in fair to excellent shape. The real constraint is that you be
>either in the up-state New York area OR be within 50 or so miles from I-81
>between knoxville, TN and Syracuse NY. The idea is that I'll be traveling
I-81
>in May, (home for the summer, yeh!!) so I could stop and pick it up.

This wouldn't happen to be a Unibody, would it? If so, Happy Dreams!


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 10:46:49 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Smog Pump

"My big concern would be the heads... Do they have the air injection
tubes on them to hook the smog pump up to? If not do they at least
have the air injection boss on the exhaust ports so you could drill
them yourself and install the air tubes?
If not then you'll need a different set of heads to be able to hook
the smog pump up. )-:"

I'm real familiar with a guy who had a similar problem.Truck failed
visual portion of smog test due to no smog pump.Installed the brackets,
pump etc.and ran a hose from pump along top of intake but instaed of
hooking hose to engine he ran it down back of engine and pointed it
toward back of truck.Truck passed visual and sniffer and is on the road.
I certanly wouldn't recommend this proceedure I'm just passing along
information.
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:00:23 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Neutral switch

Wish writes: >>Which reminds me I need to get my neutral starter safety switch
fixed one of these days ... someone said that the piece in the steering column
just pops out ... looks more to me like they are soldered in ... oh well, I'll
come up with something ...

Don't remember your trucks year of make, but on the '76 thru'79, that little
switch is held in by two very well hidden short sheatmetal type screws. Once you
get them out(need a philips stubby), you'll wonder how you could have missed
them.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:03:35 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428/390 power

Wish writes: >>unless you're going for the "I have a 428" awe inspiring phrase,
then I would bet a well built 390 would do you just as well

Not if they are equally built. No substitute for Cu in.

Azie
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:30:33 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil coolers

Cannondale writes: >>I was out looking through some of my junk today and
noticed I had a couple of old a/c condensers off a '74 F100 and a VW Rabbit,
basically the same size and all. anyways, i know that they are both still good
and was wondering if possibly these could be used as BIG tranny or oil
coolers.

1st off it ain't J U N K!!! It's unsightly T R E A S U R E.

They work great, BUT once they are left open to the atmosphere for a long period
of time they tend to get pinholes in them(corrode from inside). Be sure to
flush them out really good and pressure test them for leaks.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 13:33:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Neutral switch

>Wish writes: >>Which reminds me I need to get my neutral starter safety
switch
>fixed one of these days ... someone said that the piece in the steering column
>just pops out ... looks more to me like they are soldered in ... oh well, I'll
>come up with something ...
>
>Don't remember your trucks year of make, but on the '76 thru'79, that little
>switch is held in by two very well hidden short sheatmetal type screws. Once
>you
>get them out(need a philips stubby), you'll wonder how you could have missed
>them.
>

The switch itself is held in this way, but I'm talking about the little pin
that moves the switch around ... is this also what you're talking about ?
My steering should be from a 74, and it was a 74 in the junk yard that I
was tryin from ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:34:55 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No turn signals

Terry Pendegrass writes: >>Does anybody know why when I turn on my turn signal
and then step on the brake the turn signal quits signalling turns? ;) It works
fine as long as I keep my foot off of the brake, it's just pretty hard to master
that.

Either a bad ground on that side or shorted elements within the bulb(front or
rear) on that side.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:02:21 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - switch

John Klaers writes: >>There is a switch of some kind fastened to the top of my
steering column on
its base near where it enters the fire wall (inside the cab). I don't know
what it is but I think I've tracked it down to be the source of my
electrical problems. It has a sliding switch that goes from left to right.

Anyone know what it is?

Backup lights and Park/Neutral switch.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:08:26 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overbored 390

Jeff Grant writes: .>>i have seen several 390 blocks bored .080 over, and have
never seen one have a heating problem, and that down here in the dry hot
south.

I bored 2 into the water jacket before I got one to overbore enough to accept
the 428 pistons.(.080") I will admit though.... No overheating problem on
either of them. They went to the scrapyard.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.




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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:12:40 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Overbored 390

>I bored 2 into the water jacket before I got one to overbore enough to accept
>the 428 pistons.(.080") I will admit though....

Were these the 105 blocks or the 352 blocks ?

Hey Azie, you just gettin caught up on everything ? :) don't go too fast,
you'll be seein computer screens in your sleep and end up with fried
eyeballs... havin to take another week off, then gettin caught up again ...
its a vicious cycle that took years to perfect...


That old Ford's sure fast on the draw
Outrun the Chevies and outrun the law ...
---Days of Thunder sung by Brooks&Dunn
wish
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:06:25 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory or other limited slip for dana 60 rear.

Hi all

I'm considering a dana 60 limited slip in the rear. Is the factory
limited slip rebuildable? Anyone know the price on a factory limited
slip. What other limited slips should I be looking at.

OX
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:43:33 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 410 not an FE

Marco writes : >>Yeah, maybe, but my 360 looks, well, like a 360. Really. It
doesn't look
anything like my 410. (Not the 410 Mercury of early 60's which is not an FE
motor, by the way, but the later FE 410 Mercury).

Ok Marco!!!! !!! You got me confused now. ( I know that ain't too difficult
B U T). The 410 was only used in late '66 and all of '67 and only in Mercurys,
according to all my sources. Where do you get this early '60's 410 stuff???
Did they make the 410 in something other than the FE??? I know there was a
361(?) of the Y block design and then there was the 383 and 430 of ? design(the
combustion chamber was in the block - not in the heads)..(these make good boat
anchors) But I know of no other block other than the FE until the 385 series
(429/460/and 371 in trucks). Educate me please!!!!
All FE's look alike to me.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:16:32 -0700
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The other 410

The MEL 410 was a new engine for Ford for '58, and is closely related to
the 383,430 and 462 (and maybe the earlier Lincoln OHV V8s).
To the best of my knowledge, the MEL 410 was available only in the '58
Edsel Citation. ( When that car came out I thought it was the most
beautiful thing I had ever seen! Maybe I was too young yet to have
developed any taste.....)

Eric

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Re:Rusty Coolant (FE Leak)

Thanks Pat Brown, Dennis Dellinger, William Hart and J.S.H. for
your replies. Sorry it took so long to write back, I just got busy.
It sounds as if I've got nothing to worry about. I just did not know
if it was normal or not. (Coolant color for new engine and cooling
system.)
Dennis told me that when an engine shop hot tanks an engine it
doesn't remove the rust. (This makes sense.) Pat reminded everyone to
make sure the PH is correct by using distilled water. (I already had
done that but it's still good advice.) William suggested that the
dis-coloration might be due to the sand used in the casting of the
water jackets. (I don't know if there would be any left considering the
age of the engine, but then again, it was overhauled so that may have
"stired things up." J.S.H. told me how his engine shop used a syringe
of silicone to fix the intake to head seal. ( I think I can live with
the leak for a little while but thanks for the info.)

Again thanks everyone.
Josh



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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:19:03 EDT
From: REvans8341 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request

Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell
specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip,
etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of
lenses and door weatherstrip, among other things, and am trying to avoid
going to my friendly, helpful, price gouging Ford dealer to order the parts.
Any info would be greatly appreciated..........Bob
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 16:44:02 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?

I think I will be in tears the day I have sold my 1988 Aerostar and prolly
get the money to buy an old pickup truck with gas engine,,, NO FUEL
INJECTION..... I hope for ever.
I really look forward to the day.....

In other words, diesel has it's benfits, but those older gas engines is so
much easier to fix.

So, James and I seems to be agree here....


Bill


>
> I ran a fuel injection shop for 9 1/2 years. We specialized in the
systems
> on diesel engines, but also did full engine work. You have to tune up a
gas
> engine several times in its life, but one single diesel injection system
> tune-up can cost a whole lot more than all the gas tune-ups combined.
Also
> compare the costs of rebuilding the engines, even though I have seen
6.9/7.3
> diesels with over 350,000 miles on them, it still costs 3 times as much
to
> overhaul them. The last time I saw a 6.9/7.3 in a wrecking yard they
wanted
> $3000 for it.
> I can still remember 90% of what I ever knew about diesels, but I
recently
> bought a 78 F350 crewcab with a 460 because I can easily fix anything
that
> goes wrong with it when I am out in the boonies. No computers, no
governors,
> no injectors, no glowplugs, no O2 sensors. What a joy it is to work on.
> Just my opinion.
> James
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 17:58:57 -0400
From: Brent Cole
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bondo on the valve covers?

I have made a decision to reuse my stock "Powered by Ford" valve covers on
my 460. (I couldn't find the aftermarket ones I wanted) But I have one
question. Can I use Bondo to fill any of the small dents in the valve
covers? I have beat them out the best I can. Has anyone tried this?
Will it take the heat of the engine compartment? How about the Bondo with
fiber glass? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Brent


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:45:19 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: anti-sieze

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, John LaGrone wrote:
>
> >> Amen, I believe there should be a small amount included with every set
> >>of spark plugs that are sold!!!!!
>
> Ted, Marko, and anyone else interested in anti-sieze:
>
> No offense intended here, but a lot of people don't realize that there are
> torque specs for spark plugs. Under torque and they will fall out. Over
> torque and you widen the gap changing your ignition timing and spark
> characteristics in the process. All plugs should be started by hand and
> then screwed in with your fingers until they touch the seat. If you cannot
> turn them by hand, the threads should be chased with the proper tap. I
> guarantee that if you follow this procedure you can always get them out and
> you will never cross thread one. You will also eliminate an often
> overlooked tuneup problem. Two places where anti-sieze shouldn't be used
> are spark plugs and lug nuts.

I disagree strongly here, those are the two places where I am most
likely to use it. If it is anti-sieze you are using, then it should not
affect the torque readings. Oil and grease will, however. I can't seem
to keep lug nuts from binding and snapping no matter how well I clean
them and the studs. For me, anti-sieze there is the only way I have to
keep them from *falling off*. If they are torqued in a binding
situation, the torque does not represent the clamping force applied, and
as soon as the bind is relieved, the nut may come loose.

The bottom line is, I use anti-sieze on anything I may want to remove
later.

Birken

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:32:39 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion

In a message dated 4/28/99 7:07:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
luxjo thecore.com writes:


> there are no marks.

It was probably a dana 61, same as 60, but carrier is offset about 5/8
of an inch. Not much aftermarket support for it. >>

now this is interesting, any way I could find out for sure? This is on the
rear of my dads 75 F-250 4x4. It was built piece by piece so were not sure
of everything on it. For the longest time he argued it was a 44 till I
showed him the size difference in the covers. All he cared about was the
4.11 gears and posi unit. If you can help, lemme know.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:27:07 -0500
From: "Ted Stringfellow"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request

How about J.C. Whitney or Obsolete Ford? I've seen door weatherstrip kits
for older trucks in the JC Whitney catalog and other special old parts in my
Obsolete Ford catalog.

- -----Original Message-----
From: REvans8341 aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 4:24 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request


>
> Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell
>specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip,
>etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of
>lenses and door weatherstrip, among other things, and am trying to avoid
>going to my friendly, helpful, price gouging Ford dealer to order the
parts.
>Any info would be greatly appreciated..........Bob
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:30:37 -0500
From: "charlest"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Parts Vendor Request

> Does anyone on the list know of any vendor(s) in the country who sell
>specialized parts, such as tail and signal light lenses, door weatherstrip,
>etc. for Ford trucks in our age range here. I have a 72 F-100 in need of
>lenses and door weatherstrip, among other things, and am trying to avoid
>going to my friendly, helpful, price gouging Ford dealer to order the
parts.
>Any info would be greatly appreciated..........Bob



Try www.73-79 fordtrucks. com

and www.partsvoice.com (if you know the part number)

and www.ford-obsolete-parts.com

and www.jcwhitneyusa.com

Im sure there are others too, but these come to mind.

Charles
79 F150 4x4(460 swap)
soon to have 1 ton running gear


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 19:47:36 PDT
From: "barry mitchell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - bronco swap

Has anyone attempted to put a 390 in a 1975 body style bronco

Barry Mitchell

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 20:42:04 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion

>> I am in the final stages of writing down the "instructions" and required
>>parts list. It is fairly long so maybe it would be better to email me
>>privately for a copy. I dont want to make the list too long and probably
>>not everyone cares about this conversion.
>> If the "List Mom" doesnt mind I will post it. It is going to be about 4
>>pages in Word Perfect.
>>
>>Sparky
>
>Sparky, if you want to send me a copy of this (wish iastate.edu), I can
>convert it to HTML and put it up on the web if you like. Then everyone on
>the list can pull it up at their leisure ....
>
>Sound good to everybody ?
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish

Thanks alot for the offer, but I have already sent a copy to Ken for
posting to the Technical Articles. He must have low standards for accepting
articles as apparently he is going to post mine. :) :) :) LOL
The offer still stands for an email copy to anyone that cant wait for it
to be posted. The only thing I ask you to remember is that I am by no means
a PS conversion expert for all Ford trucks. The only truck I have done is
mine.

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
390FE 4v
"New and Improved with Power Steering"


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:45:23 -0500
From: George Ramsower`
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Better Power Steering

I have a '78 F-150 400/C6 A/C PWR and all that nice stuff, >>2WD

The steering box is worn out, and I have been wondering if there is
a later model box that has variable ratio and can fit, with few mods,
into my truck.
If so, what would be involved in making this upgrade?

Any help will be appreciated.


George Ramsower
San Antonio(Little Mexico), TX
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:01:21 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HOW MUCH IS TOO MUCH?

Howdy again y'all! Well, my question this time is: How much is too much? I
just got 2 specialty horns for my truck that I am installing tomorrow
a wolf whistle and the other has a bunch of different animal sounds, melodies
etc.> and I am really wanting to get a small blacklight inside the cab, a CB
radio, offroad lights on my sportbar etc.
ain't made of money LOL> all of which use power and I am wondering how this
all will affect my battery, alternator or overall power load etc. Will too
many accessories overload my system? How can I prevent this? Not go accessory
crazy? LOL Thanks y'all..any help would be appreciated!

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:09:35 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around

In a message dated 4/27/99 5:46:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sdelanty sonic.net writes:


On the FE's, the thermactor tubes went into bosses on the exhaust ports
of *the heads*, not into the exhaust manifold. )-:
>>
Steve is correct, the bosses are cast as part of the heads. I have the
factory manual on a 1967 ThunderBird. They offered 2 engines that year the
390 and 428. One of the factory modifications to these engines (was this
for California?) was the thermactor. From reading the book it implies that
other Ford car models came with it also. It did not say why they offered it.....


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