61-79-list-digest Wednesday, April 28 1999 Volume 03 : Number 143



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - police interceptor
FTE 61-79 --shocks--
FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for 1970 F100
FTE 61-79 - Anti-Sieze
FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE
FTE 61-79 - speaking of rare 4x4 f250
FTE 61-79 - my heater doesn't
FTE 61-79 - FOMOCO
Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion
FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--
FTE 61-79 - Free 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - Fred's heater doesn't work
FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
FTE 61-79 - anti-seize
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - was serious question...just nonsense now
Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?
FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6
FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter
FTE 61-79 - Carbs, tune-ups, vac
Re: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6
FTE 61-79 - Dealer installed A/C
Re: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--
FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--
Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--
Re: FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings
FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion
Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around
Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze
Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around
Re: FTE 61-79 - This guy wants off--Ha!
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?
FTE 61-79 - vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Anti-Sieze
Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:27:25 -0500
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - police interceptor

Well,I have been very busy, so have a lot of digest reading to catch up on.

Thought I would let everyone know this tho - the engine guy that I use,
and that Stu permitted to NOT use yellow valve springs is doing some work
for a fellow that acquired, and then decided not to use, a 429 police
interceptor. Price unknown, it has not been rebuilt, if someone is
interested, email me and I will give the machinists phone number. It is in
middle TN.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:35:21 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

Hey guys! Has anyone ever heard of having a problem with trying to get a
set of shocks for a 78 F250 with a 4" lift (blocks). I've tryed calling
several different stores and they all seem to just scratch their heads and
tell to go measure the shock. Well...I'm at college and my truck is back
home. This isn't rocket science! I'm surely not the first person in the
world to ever need a set of shocks for that type of setup.
If anyone has any suggestions.... please let me know.


Rob
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:48:57 EDT
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for 1970 F100

Anyone interested, Autocrafters has the wiring diagram available for the 63,
64, 65, 66, 67, 70, and 72 pickups. They can be contacted at 1-800-228-7346.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:57:48 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anti-Sieze

> you will never cross thread one. You will also eliminate an often
> overlooked tuneup problem. Two places where anti-sieze shouldn't be used
> are spark plugs and lug nuts.


I must respectfully disagree with your final statement, though
anti-sieze isn't necessary in every case it doesn't hurt. Aluminum
heads must have it, without fail. And you have to get them torqued to
specs, or they wont ground right. Anti-sieze isn't as necessary on
cast iron, if you get the plugs tight and the threads and seats are
clean and paint free, they'll ground fine and wont collect moisture.
Failure of the plug to seal and ground prpoerly is what usually makes
them hard to get out. Anti-sieze is a great lubricant and moisture
resistor and will make the plugs seal better, as long as they are tight
enough.

I use it on lug bolts too. It works especially well in the winter when
they are exposed to a lot of salt, or if I'm going to be in the mud. It
will save your lug bolts from an early demise. You just have to get
them tight enough. The relationship of the face on the nut and seat of
the wheel is what will keep them from loosening up. Thread resistance
(even rusty ones) wont keep your wheel on. Clean threads and lots of
torque are the hot ticket in my book.

Not a flame, just my .02
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:06:53 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE

I might be interested in a "Ford,PRCA" sticker, my brothers would
problably like one too. How big is it, what does it look like, and
about how much does it cost. A local tack shop can order PRCA
mudflaps - about $50 a pair. Haven't gotten a pair yet, but plan to.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:24:05 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - speaking of rare 4x4 f250

> My understanding of this situation is that there were F250 Unibodies, but
> only in 2WD. I also think there were no 4x4 Unibodies. The Ford Red Book
> says that the Unibody was available on F100 and F250, but was not available
> on the F350. Unfortunately, they don't say whether or not 4x4 was a factor.

The main reason for the mis-matched bed on the '61-'66 F250 4X4's was
because the unibody wasn't flexible enough. I doubt there were any
built on the unibody chassis, but maybe they built a few before they got
the bad news. I've never seen or heard of one.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:40:05 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - my heater doesn't

>I suffered through the winter, but am now tackling the
>problem of a non-functioning heater. I took it out and poured water

(snip)

>
>And, no it is not the diverter valve, as there is none, just hoses
>direct to the core. Help, what am I overlooking?
>
>Eldon, 1964 F100
>
I hope you will not be offended by me asking this very simple question, but
on my '64 there was a valve in the fitting on the intake that was sort of a
manual heater valve. You shut it off in the summer so your heater core
would not be radiating heat. This was the factory setup, my dad's '64 had
the same thing on it when it was new. Does yours have this and, if so, are
you sure it is open? They tend to freeze up due to rust.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:52:40 -0400
From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FOMOCO

Hi all,not really a question but a little current events news.In business
section of this AM's Orlando Fla. paper,an artical w/the heading" Used parts
to another spin"the jist of it FOMOCO is buying up salvage yards to sell
parts and recycle whats left to repair shops and consumers.It's est.to be a
1billion per year buss,their recent purchase a salvage yard in Tampa
Fla.pretty soon we'll be buying new and used pasts from the big guy.Just
thought you'd all like to know.Hope to meet some of you at PF. Later Mike
Elmer

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:53:37 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P/S conversion

> I am in the final stages of writing down the "instructions" and required
>parts list. It is fairly long so maybe it would be better to email me
>privately for a copy. I dont want to make the list too long and probably
>not everyone cares about this conversion.
> If the "List Mom" doesnt mind I will post it. It is going to be about 4
>pages in Word Perfect.
>
>Sparky

Sparky, if you want to send me a copy of this (wish iastate.edu), I can
convert it to HTML and put it up on the web if you like. Then everyone on
the list can pull it up at their leisure ....

Sound good to everybody ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:44:41 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion

For the list:

I had to change the rear diff fluid in my '79 F250 this weekend and while I was
at it, I cleaned off the tag and lo and behold the confusion started. On the
tag is written 3 54 D7 which at first glance tells me that this rear-end is a
3.54:1 GR, but it drives like a 4.10:1 (really high RPMs at highway speeds with
a top speed of about 80 MPH-gas pedal all the way own). I came into work and
went to the VIN decoder listed
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/~mrm/bronco/vinform.html) and it tells me what I
had suspected before, that I have a 4.10:1 GR. It did say one thing I had not
suspected, that the rear-end is actually at Dana 70 instead of a Dana 60. Do I
have a replacement/salvaged rear diff cover? Do I indeed have a Dana 70
rear-end (would be nice)? Does anybody know what was supposed to come in a
1979 F250 4x4 with 300 I6 Custom? Does anybody care?

I can say that the rear-end in this truck is a whole heck of a lot larger than
the rear-end in a previous truck I owned, a 1985 F250 heavy duty 4x2 with a
460cid, larger both inside and out. Also larger than the first and last Chevy
I'll ever own, a 1983 K20 4x4 (also a previous truck).

Any information would be greatly appreciated!!!

Dave H

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:01:54 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

>Hey guys! Has anyone ever heard of having a problem with trying to get a
>set of shocks for a 78 F250 with a 4" lift (blocks). I've tryed calling
>several different stores and they all seem to just scratch their heads and
>tell to go measure the shock. Well...I'm at college and my truck is back
>home. This isn't rocket science! I'm surely not the first person in the
>world to ever need a set of shocks for that type of setup.
>If anyone has any suggestions.... please let me know.
>
You might check with the offroad list as well as they may have some
experience. The other thing you could possibly do would be to go to a
parts store, get the specs for the STOCK shocks, then add the appropriate
lift values where they need to be ... if you've lengthened the travel, then
add some in there, or possibly just overall length.... you just want to be
sure your shocks are sitting pretty much centered in their travel so you
don't over extend them or compress them too far...

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Loved the pics of the truck :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:03:21 -0500
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Free 360

SWMBO says I've got to clear out the garage so she can actually park her
car in it!! I've only got 4 engines in there, geez, but don't really
want to have to sleep in the doghouse either. So here's the deal, one
ill 360 (I think it is anyway, has 352 casting mark on the front left of
the block and has 1968 #'s on the intake) It was in my 74F100 when I
got it, had water in the oil, a compression check showed one totally
dead cylinder. I'm keeping the carb, bellhousing/flywheel. But if anyone
on the List want's this thing, it's your's free of charge, just come and
pick it up. I live in the Minneapolis, MN area. Please contact me off
the list through e-mail.

DonY
65F250-351W-NP435
74F100-351W-3 Speed

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:06:36 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE



*Perk* Did I hear PRCA mudflaps?? How cool! I WANT SOME! *Pout* Could ya
maybe E-mail me the address of the tack shop so they can order them for me?
Thanks! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys....trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:10:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

At 08:51 PM 4/26/99 , you wrote:
>William
>The inspection station told me, the referee station told me, then I called
Ford
>gave them the VIN number and they said yes it came with an air pump.
>Dennis Dellinger
>
Bummer ... maybe someone on the list knows something about this ... I think
some of the 428's and such from the late 60's early 70's might have had
them, so they may be available for the FE if you dig enough, finding the
bracketry could be a problem though ...


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:01 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fred's heater doesn't work

Hi Eldon,

Since it sounds like you have pressure in the heater hoses, I'm with whoever
said the return location might be plugged. I too have seen these little
manifold fittings about rusted shut. Check where the outlet hose connects to
the manifold or where ever it ends up....and then the thermostat.....

I'm sure curious to see how this one turns out, so please keep us informed!

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:11:27 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

Hey Bill,

Figured you would get a kick out of this. The 67 F-100 I just picked up was a
California truck, equipped complete with air pump and Thermactor
setup.....I'm sure Stock Man would love to get his hands on this stuff.....

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:13:56 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code

>I assume that this code means it is a C6 but just
>wanted to check. On my 77 Flairside the tranny has
>Stamped on the right side of it. The tranny code on the
>side of the door is K.

Could be, dunno, don't have my book, can look it up tonight though ...


Also I can not find any markings
>on the rear end. My axle code on the side of the door
>is 46J with a GVWR 04900. When I turn the rear wheel
>the other wheel goes in the opposite direction.

Open, no trac-lok or anything...

Also
>the play that I have seems to be in the diff, is there
>anyway I can fix this?

Have to pull the rear apart and see what's worn, if its ring and pinion,
and you have some time/patience, you could probably do this yourself, at
least that's what they tell me, haven't actually done it myself yet though ....

Realize I'm down here in GTMO
>without a machine shop let alone any shadetree's that
>know much more then me.

You shouldn't need a machine shop, unless something's really busted. As
far as doing it yourself, most of the time I find that some instructions
mixed in with a bit of patience will let me muddle my way through about
anything, and if it gets too deep, I can usually put it down for a bit and
come back to it with no problems ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:05:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FORD COWGIRL HERE

The "Ford PRCA" sticker I have is about 5"x6 1/2" ,
and for you whom it concerns I am still trying to
remember the name of the town where I got it.
TEXAS




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>
> I might be interested in a "Ford,PRCA" sticker, my
brothers would
> problably like one too. How big is it, what does
it look like, and
> about how much does it cost. A local tack shop can
order PRCA
> mudflaps - about $50 a pair. Haven't gotten a pair
yet, but plan to.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:24:15 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

>Figured you would get a kick out of this. The 67 F-100 I just picked up was a
>California truck, equipped complete with air pump and Thermactor
>setup.....I'm sure Stock Man would love to get his hands on this stuff.....
>

Wow, that's cool ... now I've heard it all .... naw, probably not, but
that's a new one. I'd have never expected a truck that old to need/have
that emissions stuff on it ... bet its pretty hard to find some of that
stuff ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:34:14 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - anti-seize

>> I've ever talked to has used anti-seize when replacing
spark plugs in aluminum heads.

I'll concede this point. I was speaking of Dearborm iron. Anytime you have
two unlike metals joined, there will be unique problems.

I'm with wish on leaving them in for 100K without checking them. I would
(and do as I run platinum plugs) check them at least once a year. The
condition of the spark plugs is a direct indicator of your overall engine
condition.

- -John

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:08:11 -0500
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: [none]

Just put a new starter on '67 F100 with 300. The starter doesn't disengage
cleanly, kind of rattles around for a few seconds after the motor starts.
What do you think? Could a put a couple of washers in to back it off a
little?
Thanks,
john

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:38:49 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - was serious question...just nonsense now

In a message dated 4/27/99 10:22:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BDIJXS aol.com
writes:

> Figured you would get a kick out of this. The 67 F-100 I just picked up was
a
>
> California truck, equipped complete with air pump and Thermactor
> setup.....I'm sure Stock Man would love to get his hands on this stuff.....
>
I presently don't have any plans for a move to the left coast although I have
family there. In my younger days....it was determined that many thermactor
set-ups affixed themselves to the exhaust manifold with a standard NPT
fitting. I won't go into any details.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:51:16 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around

>> Figured you would get a kick out of this. The 67 F-100 I just picked up was
>> California truck, equipped complete with air pump and Thermactor
>> setup.....I'm sure Stock Man would love to get his hands on this stuff.....
>>
>I presently don't have any plans for a move to the left coast although I have
>family there. In my younger days....it was determined that many thermactor
>set-ups affixed themselves to the exhaust manifold with a standard NPT
>fitting. I won't go into any details.
>


So does anyone around have one of these manifolds and pumps to help this
guy out ? I imagine a pump can be purchased new, but that doesn't help
with the bracketry at all ... anyone have any brackets they can spare for
this ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:43:33 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?

earlier, James wrote......

> the engine guy that I use,
> and that Stu permitted to NOT use yellow valve springs is doing some work
> for a fellow that acquired, and then decided not to use, a 429 police
> interceptor.....

My question is this:) What is wrong with the yellow valve springs?


Danger
danger csolutions.net
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:03:38 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6

I just got this 400M and a C6. I would like to know how to identify what
year this stuff came out of.


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:48:48 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch chatter

Gene Gardner writes: >> Also had some end-play in the pivot
arm for the clutch adjusting rod (the part that moves the rod back and
forth when you push the pedal). Those 2 corrections seemed to have
eliminated about 85% of the clutch chatter problem I wrote about last year
(see archives). The rest of the chatter -- mostly in reverse -- I'm going
to attribute to the design of the clutch, the infamous 3-finger Chatterbox
that Marko so aptly named. Get a diaphram-type clutch, my friends!

Thanks for the update, Gene. Have a good safe trip this summer.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:12:21 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Carbs, tune-ups, vac

Hey all,

I added a carb tune-up page, It's just about the way I want it except for
a couple of things. Take a look,

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www3.your-net.com/~pmbaker

Any feedback is most welcome.

Thanks
mike baker
pmbaker your-net.com

1978 F-250 Custom
1978 Bronco

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:25:09 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6

At 02:03 PM 4/27/99 , you wrote:
>I just got this 400M and a C6. I would like to know how to identify what
>year this stuff came out of.
>

Just start lookin for part numbers on things, if you find that they are all
about the same range, then you'll have a good idea ... intake, heads and
block are good places to start, if they're all way different, then you'll
know they've been changed, if you're sure they're stock just check one or two.

Should all probably be D's for the 70's, then 7,8, or 9, depending on the
year that it was produced. DaveR might have better resources and know what
all changed and part numbers changed through the years.

Also check the motor for a metal tag, if its still around you'll know right
away.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:33:11 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dealer installed A/C

Someone writes and several commented on : >>It does though have a little ford
symbol n it???

I've been on vacation for a week, so thats why I'm a little late with response.

These were self contained units that truly bolted underneath the dash in the '63
thru '66 range of Fords. FOMOCO was a little later than the competition, and
the dealers were screaming, so Ford offered a dealer installed optional A/C
unit. It was very effecient, but got in the way of the "middle" passengers
knees. I ordered a 1966 Mustang 2+2 GT 4 speed and had this option installed.
It used the same compressor as was later installed from the factory.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:43:56 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6

>"Eric Washburn"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - My new 400M and C6
>
>I just got this 400M and a C6. I would like
>to know how to identify what year this stuff
>came out of.

Yo Eric:

The block casting number and its casting date can help you identify the model
year when your engine was first built and installed in a vehicle, but it won't
help you identify the actual source vehicle.

The block casting number is located on the right side, below the deck of the
last two cylinders (3 & 4), just above where the starter would be. If the block
casting number is D7TE, it is a truck (or Bronco) block cast beginning in the
1977 model year and until production ended in 1982.

The casting date of the block is located on the upper surface at the rear of the
block, right next to the oil pressure sending unit. The codes used in the
casting date are one or two digits for the year (e.g., 8 or 78), a letter for
the month (A=January), and two digits for the day. The casting date should help
you isolate the exact model year, regardless of the casting number.

Sorry I can't help you w/ the C6 tranny identification.

Dave R (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:18:00 -0400
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

Rob Long wrote:
>
> Hey guys! Has anyone ever heard of having a problem with trying to get a
> set of shocks for a 78 F250 with a 4" lift (blocks). I've tryed calling
> several different stores and they all seem to just scratch their heads and
> tell to go measure the shock. Well...I'm at college and my truck is back
> home. This isn't rocket science! I'm surely not the first person in the
> world to ever need a set of shocks for that type of setup.
> If anyone has any suggestions.... please let me know.
>

I have a 79 F-250 that supposedly has a 4" lift. How was your's
lifted? This one was done with what seems to be front leaf perch drops
only. I can measure the shovck length if you want.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:59:44 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings

My small contribution to this thread is at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm

Let me know what you think. I've found the info very useful.

Got a toolbox from a bed out at my brother-in-laws'. Someone told me
the camper specials had these. It mounts on the passenger side, lower
front of the bed. Any one know where these originated ? Just curious.
Getting ready to install it in the '67. I've cut the hole so I'm
committed at this point. Or as the wife says "should be committed".
Hopefully I'll have pictures to post on my web site soon.

- --
John L. McKay
Mesa, Arizona
'67 F-100 Custom Cab
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:04:48 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

Hey Rob,
I just put a 4" suspension lift on my '70 F100. I know that the
springs are different, but the shocks should be the same. I had 2
different types for mine. The rear had a stud on the top and the front
had an eyelet on top. I don't remember which one it was, but one of
those types were compatible with a buddy's '77 F150, so I'm guessing a
78 F250 should have the same type. Mine are Trail Master. If you would
like the part #'s let me know.

- --
Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

[||||||]=[|00|]=(|____________________)


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:17:52 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?

At 12:43 PM 4/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>earlier, James wrote......
>
>> the engine guy that I use,
>> and that Stu permitted to NOT use yellow valve springs is doing some work
>> for a fellow that acquired, and then decided not to use, a 429 police
>> interceptor.....
>

Then Danger wrote:

>My question is this:) What is wrong with the yellow valve springs?

Absolutely positively nothing except with my "anal retentive" tendencies
with this restoration I am waist deep in right now, I am *thought* to get
uptight by a few (mainly Jim E. and Tony "the maniac kid" Marino) when the
exact factory matching, NOS, OEM quality part is NOT installed.

The valve springs are NOS Ford - painted pea green. All FE 360 valve
springs I have seen in my lifetime have been yellow, not green. See pic
on website below of the fresh heads.

Jim's just jabbin away at me because he is a big bully. You remember the
guy who used to steal your lunch money.
That was Jim E. hehehehehehehehe Sorry Jimbo!

8^)

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:58:35 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Long"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

OX
My truck is lifted with blocks....

Thanks for the advice and tips, but I found a set from National Tire &
Wheel. ( i hope!)

Rob
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:17:01 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Interpreting vacuum gauge readings

>
>Got a toolbox from a bed out at my brother-in-laws'. Someone told me
>the camper specials had these. It mounts on the passenger side, lower
>front of the bed. Any one know where these originated ? Just curious.
>Getting ready to install it in the '67. I've cut the hole so I'm
>committed at this point. Or as the wife says "should be committed".
>Hopefully I'll have pictures to post on my web site soon.
>
>
I've been told that the tool box in the passenger side of the bed was on
the Ranger models in the mid to late '70's.

Stoney

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:27:15 -0400
From: Joe Updegrove
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams

I'm getting ready to do the disc brake conversion and was wondering if I could
use the complete I-beams out of the 74? How do I know if they are
interchangeable? Will I mess-up any suspension geometry? This is my daily
driver and don't want any problems. See ya at the show.

Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:30:16 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams

Measure the length. Also make sure the hole for the radius arm is in the
same place.
That should be all that matters
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'65 F100

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Updegrove
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 4:27 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams


> I'm getting ready to do the disc brake conversion and was wondering if I
could
> use the complete I-beams out of the 74? How do I know if they are
> interchangeable? Will I mess-up any suspension geometry? This is my daily
> driver and don't want any problems. See ya at the show.
>
> Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:36:01 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams

Joe,

I would probably take the whole I-beam out of both trucks, take it to a
machine shop and have them press the king pins out and swap the spindles and
then put new bushings in during the re-installation. That way the machine
shop has the headache of getting that king pin out and you retain the
original I-beam and no worries on changing the front end geometry. The king
pins in the '74 will probably need to be changed anyways.

Later,

- -Ted
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Updegrove
To:
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:27 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1974 I - beams


> I'm getting ready to do the disc brake conversion and was wondering if I
could
> use the complete I-beams out of the 74? How do I know if they are
> interchangeable? Will I mess-up any suspension geometry? This is my daily
> driver and don't want any problems. See ya at the show.
>
> Joe
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:22:13 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 --shocks--

your not talking to the right ppl, i called up summit for a set of 4 rancho
rs5000 shocks, they just asked me for the year and what type of mouting
ends i had, and lift, and thats it, got and they fit just fine..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 04:52 PM 4/27/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Rob Long wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys! Has anyone ever heard of having a problem with trying to get a
>> set of shocks for a 78 F250 with a 4" lift (blocks). I've tryed calling
>> several different stores and they all seem to just scratch their heads and
>> tell to go measure the shock. Well...I'm at college and my truck is back
>> home. This isn't rocket science! I'm surely not the first person in the
>> world to ever need a set of shocks for that type of setup.
>> If anyone has any suggestions.... please let me know.
>>
>
> I have a 79 F-250 that supposedly has a 4" lift. How was your's
>lifted? This one was done with what seems to be front leaf perch drops
>only. I can measure the shovck length if you want.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:28:07 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear axle confusion

I went through this very shortly before I got my F-350. An easy way to ID a
60 from a 70 is to clean the crud off the upper portion of the passenger side
of the pumpkin. If you see a 60, you have a 60, if you see a 70, you have a
70. But I have also seen a 60 with no marks at all, so I cant help ya if
there are no marks. But as far as strength goes, you cant beat a 70, cept
for those 80s that are available on the new SUper Duties that is. Good luck

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:40:57 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around

>>I presently don't have any plans for a move to the left coast although I have
>>family there. In my younger days....it was determined that many thermactor
>>set-ups affixed themselves to the exhaust manifold with a standard NPT
>>fitting. I won't go into any details.
>>
>
>So does anyone around have one of these manifolds and pumps to help this
>guy out ? I imagine a pump can be purchased new, but that doesn't help
>with the bracketry at all ... anyone have any brackets they can spare for
>this ?

On the FE's, the thermactor tubes went into bosses on the exhaust ports
of *the heads*, not into the exhaust manifold. )-:


Steve
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"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:40:59 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Yellow valve springs?

Stu wrote:
>The valve springs are NOS Ford - painted pea green. All FE 360 valve
>springs I have seen in my lifetime have been yellow, not green. See pic
>on website below of the fresh heads.

I've seen lots of yellow ones, never a green one. I've also seen quite
a few purple ones...

Steve
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"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:40:55 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to identify the year of a Ford 360

>>William
>>The inspection station told me, the referee station told me, then I called
>Ford
>>gave them the VIN number and they said yes it came with an air pump.
>>Dennis Dellinger
>>
>Bummer ... maybe someone on the list knows something about this ... I think
>some of the 428's and such from the late 60's early 70's might have had
>them, so they may be available for the FE if you dig enough, finding the
>bracketry could be a problem though ...

Some California cars had smog pumps at least as early as 1966.
I've seen quite a few late 60's Galaxies and other big Fords with
smog pumps on FE's. There's still quite a few out there...
Maybe you could find someone in CA to scour some wrecking yards and
come up with the appropriate brackets and pump for an FE and ship
them to you.

My big concern would be the heads... Do they have the air injection
tubes on them to hook the smog pump up to? If not do they at least
have the air injection boss on the exhaust ports so you could drill
them yourself and install the air tubes?
If not then you'll need a different set of heads to be able to hook
the smog pump up. )-:
What's the casting # on your heads ?

Steve
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"There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:41 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - anti-sieze

>
> are spark plugs and lug nuts.
> >>
>Amen on cast iron. One of my boys used anti-sieze on his plugs for an FE and
>in the process got it on the plug insulator inside and out. Shorted out the
>wires and new plugs. Took him all day to get it cleaned off. It took 6
>months and another set of plugs before they quit backing out.

I'm one of those who never-seizes (or Loctite, depending..) almost
everything. I've used neverseize on spark plugs and and lug nuts for
decades and never had any trouble. Definately gotta keep the never-seize
off the plug insulators. Just put a little on the threads with a brush,
don't dip the plug end into the never-seize can... (-:

Steve
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:49:42 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - just nonsense now, so turn it back around

In a message dated 4/27/99 8:46:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sdelanty sonic.net writes:

>
> On the FE's, the thermactor tubes went into bosses on the exhaust ports
> of *the heads*, not into the exhaust manifold. )-:
>
Yep you've got me. Guess what? I am a Ford convert. With age comes wisdom.
I am still working on both.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:34:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - This guy wants off--Ha!

- -snip-
> It's called a List-serv and that's how it works. You're subscribed for
>life. You didn't think that answer was free, did you...?
>
>
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

LOL! That's one of the best answers I've heard so far...
And they believed me when I said there wasn't a catch! ;-)

Ken

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:46:53 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?

i love my powerstroke, but it cost a fortune to have it worked on. 13 quarts
of oil is bad enough, especialy synthetic at 3.97 a qt. mine had a bad
injector, sent it in for repair, $4500.00 worth of work. thank the lord it
was under warranty. Now i'm trying to sell, and find me a 78-79 f250 4x4 in
good condition, something i can work on.

jeff grant
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:15:54 EDT
From: MongoCaver aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-350 .. diesel or gas ?

I ran a fuel injection shop for 9 1/2 years. We specialized in the systems
on diesel engines, but also did full engine work. You have to tune up a gas
engine several times in its life, but one single diesel injection system
tune-up can cost a whole lot more than all the gas tune-ups combined. Also
compare the costs of rebuilding the engines, even though I have seen 6.9/7.3
diesels with over 350,000 miles on them, it still costs 3 times as much to
overhaul them. The last time I saw a 6.9/7.3 in a wrecking yard they wanted
$3000 for it.
I can still remember 90% of what I ever knew about diesels, but I recently
bought a 78 F350 crewcab with a 460 because I can easily fix anything that
goes wrong with it when I am out in the boonies. No computers, no governors,
no injectors, no glowplugs, no O2 sensors. What a joy it is to work on.
Just my opinion.
James
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:31:08 -0400
From: "Phil"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vibration

I have a vibration in my 79 F-250 4x4, i checked the u-joints and only have
a very slight bit of play in them. It also has alot of play in the
drivetrain when i real fast give it gas or let off it makes a really loud
clunk. I think it is in the rearend, my question is, is there supposed to be
any play in the rear end and if so how much is exceptable? i will be
checking everything out this weekend.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 parts truck
79 F250 4x4 400 C6

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:07:49 -0700
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Anti-Sieze

Wow! i use it on everthing. Unless the instructions on the repacement
part say not too.

As long as your not to libral on the spark plugs you never have a
problem the thing to keep in mind is that most torque specs are "dry
specs" if you lube the part with anything you can then overtighten it
moog and trw will tell you not to with things like their 4x4 ball joint
threads but cheat a little out here where the saltwater gets into
everything.

"William L. Ballinger" wrote:
>
> > you will never cross thread one. You will also eliminate an often
> > overlooked tuneup problem. Two places where anti-sieze shouldn't be used
> > are spark plugs and lug nuts.
>
> I must respectfully disagree with your final statement, though
> anti-sieze isn't necessary in every case it doesn't hurt. Aluminum
> heads must have it, without fail. And you have to get them torqued to
> specs, or they wont ground right. Anti-sieze isn't as necessary on
> cast iron, if you get the plugs tight and the threads and seats are
> clean and paint free, they'll ground fine and wont collect moisture.....


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