Re: FTE 61-79 - building a 360

61-79-list-digest Friday, April 23 1999 Volume 03 : Number 137

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - building a 360
RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - down hill smoker
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??
RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
RE: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
RE: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
FTE 61-79 - FE P/S
Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
FTE 61-79 - P/S
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual
RE: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??
Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
FTE 61-79 - Re: Springs
FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes!...?
FTE 61-79 - Re: freon for factoy AC
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??
FTE 61-79 - floor shifters for Early Broncos
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains
FTE 61-79 - 428s
FTE 61-79 - Rubber boot around 4wd selector
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rubber boot around 4wd selector
Re: FTE 61-79 - floor shifters for Early Broncos
FTE 61-79 - how odd are these rims?
FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value
FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas in the oil pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value
FTE 61-79 - FORD COWGIRL HERE!!
FTE 61-79 - take a look at this FE intake on ebay
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
FTE 61-79 - 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 05:36:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tony Dixon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - building a 360

for a carb get a Edelbrock 4 barrel 826 carb, if you
can still find one.
Teex

- ---William S Hart wrote:
>
> >I am going to have a my 360 rebuilt and am looking
for ideas in building it.
> >I am thinking of putting in a 390 crank shaft,
bore about .030 over, flat
> >top pistons, put in the hardened valves, and
adding a cast 4 barrel intake.
>
> This will give you a really high compression ratio
... especially if you
> need the block or heads shaved to keep them flat
... if you can find nice
> high octane gas, then more power to you
(literally), but if not, you will
> risk pinging ... someone mentioned and covered this
already though, just be
> aware of it.
>
> >I am looking for ideas for the right cam and carb
for it.
>
> I'm building up a similar engine (one of these days
I WILL finish it!), and
> ran all the calculations for carb, to rev up to
5000+revs you need
> something like 630 CFM, so I'm just gonna stick
with my 600 Holley for now,
> possibly go to an autolite that I have sitting off
to the side later. This
> should be plenty of carb for street use, and not so
large that it floods
> out when you goose it ... as for cam specs, if you
hit my rebuild page
> (www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/rebuild.html) you
will find the specs on the
> cam I'm using, unfortunately I can't give you any
feedback on it because I
> don't have it installed yet....
>
>
> I have a C-6 with
> >a shift kit and a 370 ratio rear end. I want to
have some low end torque but
> >also want to be able to run some R's also want a
nice rumble.
>
> The rumble will come with a decent exhaust system
and cam. The R's will
> come with a good intake and exhaust ... you might
consider the Sanderson
> headers that Mark has on his truck if you have a
4x4, if you have a 4x2,
> there are lots of long tubes that will fit up under
the truck nicely. If
> you are trying to run more R's too, you may
consider bumping to a 650 or so
> on the carb.
>
> >71 Ranger XLT
> >67 Mustang Convertible
>
> *drool* one of my FAVORITE Mustangs of all time ....
>
>
>
>
> >
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> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:10:26 -0400
From: TracyJones

cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs

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> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs
I have a 78 F250 4x4, Dana 60 Front end, factory dual batteries,
A/C, tranny
cooler....the works. It is the 8400 lb GVW package. I have noticed
that my
drivers side front spring has sagged about an inch more than the
passengers
side. Time to replace the front springs....

I would like to accomplish three
> things with the swap.
> First; is to soften the ride of the truck, I have ridden in the baby
> F250 (6700 lb GVW) and they ride much smoother than this one. Does anybody
> have a set they took out when they lifted their truck ?
yep, see below
> A bit more on this
> line, I am assuming that the F250 springs are the same regardless of what
> the axle is.....correct ?
I don't know if the Dana 60 springs are the same as the 44 springs. ??
> And for the really dedicated F250 guy, did the
> spring rates change depending on how the truck was optioned, ie A/C vs.
> non
> A/C etc, inside the same GVW code. If so how much. (not asking much
> here..)
> The wild card here is an F150 4x4 Super cab, leaf sprung but what was the
> spring rate ?
I've had good luck getting answers from the tech. guy at Trailmaster.

> Second; Want to lift the front about 2" over stock, just want the
> truck level. No rocket science here but nobody makes a 2" lift for this
> chassis. I want to put an add-a-leaf on the lightest factory spring and
> hopefully level the truck at a lower spring rate that I currently have.
> Would rather be nose down than rough....
Add-A-Leafs are extremely rough when used in the front and will ride good
only on trucks carrying a snow plow.

> Third, would like a bit more articulation.
>
Absolutely stay away from add-a-leafs. They are the anti-christ of wheel
travel.

> I am not building a rock
> crawler here, but I am tired of the doors binding with one front tire on a
> curb. The spring and swaybar combination is so effective on this thing
> that
> an 8" block under one tire will lift the other one of the ground.....
> Great
> for carrying a camper but poor for doing everything else. (would out
> corner
> a buddys Trans Am but thats another story...)
>
I removed my sway bars front and rear and have never regretted it.

> Thats the non-lifted part of the story. If I can't find or do what I nned
> here I have considered one of the 4" "softride" style lift kits. If
> anybody
> has run one of these I am interested in hearing about the plusses and
> minuses..
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>
Chris, I know your dilemma because I've been here and done this. Here's
your options, but remember this is only my opinion/my experience.

First, remove the sway bars. You won't notice a big difference on the
street, but you will off-road.

A) Replace your worn springs with stock height replacements. Call a spring
shop in your area for prices. I think you'll find this to be the least
expensive route.

B) Skyjacker "Softride": My friend has this 4" setup on his '84 (TTB) F250.
Those springs would easily support a small dump truck. No ride, no
articulation, no suspension travel whatsoever. I'm not familiar with their
'79 F250 set-up, but I still wouldn't recommend Skyjacker.

C) Superlift "Superide": This is what I'm running on my '79 F250 (4").
Excellent ride and the articulation is incredible. This is going to cost
some money!! I think I have ~ $700 in the front suspension alone and I
installed it myself. $375 for springs, $125 for dropped drag link, $75 for
extended brake lines, poly bushings....the list goes on. I did have lots
of problems with Superlift sending me wrong/bad parts. They seem to have a
major lack of quality control. I like their suspension but they had my
truck on jack stands for waaaay too long. I will NOT be using their
products again.

D) Trailmaster: I've used their 4" kit on a '78 F150 shortbed. Awesome!!!
Good product, good friendly support people. I'll be using their stuff for
my next lift.

Better have a cool grand in cash handy if you decide to go with the lift.

BTW I have a set of factory springs with 2" Superlift add-a-leafs. Like new
for $80 pair + ship. I'm in Cinci. Ohio

If you want to know more, just ask.

Tracy
'79 F250 4x4
429 C6 NP205 Dana 44/60LS
4" Superlift 33" BFG Mud T/As
8200 Warn Dual batts.
tracyjones

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:16:00 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - down hill smoker

>(big rigs) i came down this long down grade when i got to the bottom i
>missed
>a gear (typical as i do that every day)
>i looked in my pass. side mirror and low and behold , a nice cloud of
>smoke kinda looked blue but it was dark

Any chance it was just dark smoke and not really blue ? Most likely when
you revved after missing the gear you got a really rich condition from the
carb and just puffed out dark because of the extra fuel burning. If you
hit very many revs there's also the chance that it was oil too and you
shouldn't have to worry about it ... are you burning oil? Check it
periodically and see if its low every time, if not, then I wouldn't worry
too much about it ... Right after I did the top end on my 360 it did this,
but then quit as I got the tuning right ....

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:17:44 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

>> Does anybody know why when I turn on my turn signal and
>> then step on the brake the turn signal quits signalling
>> turns? ;) It works fine as long as I keep my foot off of
>> the brake, it's just pretty hard to master that.
>
>Probably a bad turn-signal switch (Steering column). It
>contains switch circuits to isolate the turn/brake lights.
>Or, maybe yours was replaced somewhere along the line, and
>miswired?

Not to be argumentative Pat, but most of the problems I've seen like this
are related to grounding....I'd guess a ground somewhere has gotten coroded
and its now grounding through the turn signal circuit when you hit the
brakes ...

Since it is when you hit the brakes, I'd check the circuits there first ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:35:09 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Springs

>I would like to accomplish three
>> things with the swap.
>> First; is to soften the ride of the truck, I have ridden in the baby
>> F250 (6700 lb GVW) and they ride much smoother than this one. Does anybody
>> have a set they took out when they lifted their truck ?
>> A bit more on this
>> line, I am assuming that the F250 springs are the same regardless of what
>> the axle is.....correct ?
>> And for the really dedicated F250 guy, did the
>> spring rates change depending on how the truck was optioned, ie A/C vs.
>> non
>> A/C etc, inside the same GVW code. If so how much. (not asking much
>> here..)
>> The wild card here is an F150 4x4 Super cab, leaf sprung but what was the
>> spring rate ?

You might call up your local spring store, or even just parts store, they
should be able to tell you what part numbers are the same in their book.
Its possible that they aren't as specific as the factory was, but when I
got my coils for my 1/2ton they asked about air and all that jazz ... also
should be able to cross reference the numbers from an F150 super cab 4x4
and see if they are using the same spring or not ... I would doubt they
would have a heavier spring, but anything's possible. Get to know your
parts guys and treat them well, in return they will do stuff like this for
you. My advantage was workin there for a summer during college, so I know
most of the guys, if they don't feel like doin it,they'll just hand me the
book.

>> Second; Want to lift the front about 2" over stock, just want the
>> truck level. No rocket science here but nobody makes a 2" lift for this
>> chassis. I want to put an add-a-leaf on the lightest factory spring and
>> hopefully level the truck at a lower spring rate that I currently have.
>> Would rather be nose down than rough....
>Add-A-Leafs are extremely rough when used in the front and will ride good
>only on trucks carrying a snow plow.
>
I would agree that Add-A-Leafs are probably not the way to go here, never
actually used them myself, but the logic in them seems to indicate they
won't do quite what you want. Its possible that with the new front springs
the truck will sit level, even if you don't get the 2" lift, unless you've
lifted the back over stock. See my page about installing front springs on
my truck, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Springs/springs.html I
got over an inch and a half back leaving the nose just slightly down, not
really noticeable (and quite up right now with the motor out). The new
springs I got were also progressive rate which smoothed things out quite a
bit. Look and see how much space you have between the front springs and
the rubber bumpers ... is it possible you've been hitting these bumpers and
making things a lot rougher (I was this winter in the snow, man that's a bang!)

>> Third, would like a bit more articulation.
>>
>> I am not building a rock
>> crawler here, but I am tired of the doors binding with one front tire on a
>> curb. The spring and swaybar combination is so effective on this thing
>> that
>> an 8" block under one tire will lift the other one of the ground.....

>I removed my sway bars front and rear and have never regretted it.
>
This might be something to try. Ideally the sway bars shouldn't limit the
wheel travel that dramatically, though its possible if they are hanging up
on something, or binding enough to limit things ... this could possibly
smooth the ride if they are binding too much .... I'd just pull the bolts
and see how things rode ... might not out handle the TA any more (isn't
that fun ? :), but it'll likely sill be pretty good empty.

>> Thats the non-lifted part of the story. If I can't find or do what I nned
>> here I have considered one of the 4" "softride" style lift kits. If
>> anybody
>> has run one of these I am interested in hearing about the plusses and
>> minuses..
>>

No experience with a lift kit of any sort on a truck, sorry

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:11:22 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals

Now that turn signals have come up, it reminds me that I am looking for a
part. I do not know what the technical name for it is, but it is the part
into which the turn signal lever screws. I even bid on and won an entire
NOS turn signal assembly for my '62, thinking that the part I needed would
be included---Wrong! These seem to be pot metal or some such material
that allows its threads to be easily stripped. I have seen several in the
same condition as mine (threads gone). Right now I am using a long sheet
metal screw which doesn't really seem to grip well enough and is always
falling out. Besides, it looks pretty tacky...

Anybody?

Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:18:48 -0400
From: TracyJones

cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals

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> From: Dennis Pearson[SMTP:dpearson

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> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals
>
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> These seem to be pot metal or some such material
> that allows its threads to be easily stripped. I have seen several in the
> same condition as mine (threads gone). Right now I am using a long sheet
> metal screw which doesn't really seem to grip well enough and is always
> falling out. Besides, it looks pretty tacky...
>
> Anybody?
>
>
> Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA
>
>
Is there enough metal to drill it out/tap it to install a Heli-Coil?

Tracy
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:24:07 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals

>Anybody?
>
Ah, just JB Weld that sucker in there ... :)

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:29:18 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

Where can I get some?

clip clip clip

It is called DURACOOL, and made in Edmonton, Canada (not propane, but
probably close). Costs $12 for a 6oz can that is equivalent to 17 oz of
F12.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:48:36 -0700
From: TIGE HARMON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET A MOUNT FOR THE 390 IS THAT A
PROBLEM TO FIND THOSE?
THIS IS MY FIRST FORD PROJECT, SO I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL IT'S ALL ARMSTRONG ALL THE TIME.
WILL THE 4X2 BOX FIT THIS BEAST? WHAT YEAR? WHAT ABOUT THE
COLUMN SHAFT OR THE DRAGLINKS? IS THAT ENOUGH QUESTIONS
FOR YOU? THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP AND ADVICE.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:55:13 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals

Dennis Pearson wrote:

> but it is the part
> into which the turn signal lever screws.

I bid on and got the '65 edition of FoMoCo, Autolite, Rotunda Quick Reference Catalog. Just got it in the mail today. This thing is AWESOME. Before I get your hopes up, the "typical" illustration shows the whole thing as one assembly. It has 5 arrows pointing to different sections of the assembly itself. To make things worse, it doesn't even show the signal lever sticking out of it.

Ted
Bellevue,OH

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:59:57 -0700
From: TIGE HARMON
Subject: FTE 61-79 - P/S

ERIK,
I WOULD APPRECIATE ALL THE HELP YOU GOT ON THE SWAP I'VE GOT
A 74 CREW CAB 4X4 WITH THE SAME NEED FOR THE SWAP THAT I
REALLY WANT TO SWAP SINCE YOU'RE DOING THIS I WOULD LOVE TO
HEAR YOUR STORIES HORROR AND GOOD AS WELL ON THIS SWAP. I
DON'T MIND WELDING OR CUTTING I JUST NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE
DRAG LINKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THANKS AGAIN.
LATER!
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:04:59 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains

Tony Marino wrote:

> Now if you put them to use for what they were designed for
> -- as in offroad, I've never seen anything better!!! (tried wranglers,
> firestone atx's, dunlops, mickey thompsons, trailhandlers) Nothing compares
> to how the BFG's dig it up. 8-)

What?!? No Super Swampers? :)

- --
Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains

super swampers is the best tire i have ever ran, thats what im running now,
33x12.5 tsl radials. I got stuck b4, but never in the mud!

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:11 AM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Tony Marino wrote:
>
>> Now if you put them to use for what they were designed for
>> -- as in offroad, I've never seen anything better!!! (tried wranglers,
>> firestone atx's, dunlops, mickey thompsons, trailhandlers) Nothing=
compares
>> to how the BFG's dig it up. 8-)
>
>What?!? No Super Swampers? :)
>
>--
>Matt Cozad
>When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.
>
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 07:59:02 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

- --

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:17:44 William S Hart wrote:
>>> Does anybody know why when I turn on my turn signal and
>>> then step on the brake the turn signal quits signalling
>>> turns? ;) It works fine as long as I keep my foot off of
>>> the brake, it's just pretty hard to master that.
>>
>>Probably a bad turn-signal switch (Steering column). It
>>contains switch circuits to isolate the turn/brake lights.
>>Or, maybe yours was replaced somewhere along the line, and
>>miswired?
>

I may end up doing the signal first. It is almost shot, I have a rubber band (don't laugh, it works) wrapped around the column to hold the lever in the neutral position. If replacing the switch doesn't do it, then I'll start checking the grounds(sounds like fun).

>
>Not to be argumentative Pat, but most of the problems I've seen like this
>are related to grounding....I'd guess a ground somewhere has gotten coroded
>and its now grounding through the turn signal circuit when you hit the
>brakes ...
>
>Since it is when you hit the brakes, I'd check the circuits there first ...

Thanks
Terry
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 08:38:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual

Don't forget http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.vintage-books.com/ I was in there last week. They
have a pretty extensive selection old Ford manuals.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: draco

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pacifier.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:26 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual

>A couple more places to look for auto literature.
>
>Logan Gray
>Beaverton, OR
>(503) 292-7747 evenings
>
>I got a '74 owners manual from them at the Portland Swap meet.
>
>Powell's Books
>Portland, OR
>www.powells.com
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:16:33 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

Wish wrote:
>> [Terry's turn signals stop flashing when brakes are on]
>> And I replied:
> >Probably a bad turn-signal switch (Steering column). It
> >contains switch circuits to isolate the turn/brake lights.
> >Or, maybe yours was replaced somewhere along the line, and
> >miswired?
>
> Not to be argumentative Pat, but most of the problems I've
> seen like this are related to grounding....I'd guess a
> ground somewhere has gotten coroded and its now grounding
> through the turn signal circuit when you hit the brakes ...
>
And right you are Bill, wierd turn signals usually equals
bad grounds. Must of been the freon I inhaled late last night,
and, I just KNEW that Terry had a rubber band on his Turn
Signal Switch :-)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:01:52 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -another Turn Signals

Thanks for your message at 09:24 AM 4/22/99 -0500, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>>Anybody?
>>
>Ah, just JB Weld that sucker in there ... :)

I tried that. It just doesn't hold for more than a few days, at most...
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:13:22 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 22:02:03 -0500 Jerry Barr
writes:
>I am just curious about a 428. I have a slightly modified 390 in my
>1970
>F250 and would like to build up a 428. If I had one. Are they hard to
>find, or is the 390 better? Please fill me in.

Hi Jerry !
I have a 428 which is made up of two different engines . It has a 391 FT
block which has thicker cylinder walls and allows for the overbore for
the 428 pistons with no problem . This block is the one ford sold as a
replacement for a 428 back in the seventies . This block is still
possible to find in old school buses and other old heavy equipment such
as well drilling etc .
Look for the mirror image of 105 on the left front of the block and
that's all you need to see . This is a stronger block around the main
bearings so you can put it through some hard pulling . It can take it !
You will still have to find the crank and rods for the 428 cubic inches .
Which is what I have in mine . Just a word of advice on the whole thing ,
make sure you get the right flywheel because the 428 is externally
balanced there .
If you do find a 391 FT , don't overlook its possibilities . You see , it
has a steel crankshaft ! That is if it is still stock . Also you may
have found a real live 428!!!
Oh , one last thing GO FOR IT !!!

Rollie Hunt , King N.C.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:17:37 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Springs

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, "Brandt, Chris" wrote:
>
> Second; Want to lift the front about 2" over stock, just want the
> truck level. No rocket science here but nobody makes a 2" lift for this
> chassis. I want to put an add-a-leaf on the lightest factory spring and
> hopefully level the truck at a lower spring rate that I currently have.
> Would rather be nose down than rough....
>
> Third, would like a bit more articulation. I am not building a rock
> crawler here, but I am tired of the doors binding with one front tire on a
> curb. The spring and swaybar combination is so effective on this thing that
> an 8" block under one tire will lift the other one of the ground..... Great
> for carrying a camper but poor for doing everything else. (would out corner
> a buddys Trans Am but thats another story...)
>
>
> Thats the non-lifted part of the story. If I can't find or do what I nned
> here I have considered one of the 4" "softride" style lift kits. If anybody
> has run one of these I am interested in hearing about the plusses and
> minuses..

You can solve all these problems in one shot simply by buying custom
made springs. I know National Spring will do it, probably others
too...then you can spec away to your heart's content.

Birken
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:23:51 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Brakes!...?

We swapped a power booster and MC from a '73 (?) onto our '65.
Did have to put a new hole in the rod coming out of the boost to the pedal
though.

It works great when for making normal stops. very little effort. Really
stops the truck.

Now when we really get on the brakes it seems like they bottom out or
something. the pedal isn't hitting anything. And the braking isn't what I
expect.
Perhaps we are hitting the end of the M/C travel? Maybe the booster has a
problem? It hisses alot when we are pressing the brakes.

We hooked the vacuum hose from the booster to the outlet on the back of the
carb mounting plate. This is a 302. (69-70 ish).

The prop valve is off of an '80's truck.

I also know the rear brakes are shot.

Any ideas?
-srw

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:56:06 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: freon for factoy AC

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, JUMPINFORD

aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/21/99 6:14:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> cannandale

netpointe.com writes:
>
>
> conditioners, >>
>
>
> DO NOT DO THIS!! Dayton is right when he says it is flammable, but I wanna
> add to it. Dont for one instance EVER consider using this stuff. All you
> have to do is get a small leak in the evap. and next thing ya know, BOOM. At
> the very least, you'll be painting your eyebrows on for the rest of your
> life. Also steer away from Mexican R-12, which is (By my sources) up to 50%
> propane.

A propane/butane mix weighs much less than an R-12 charge. There will
be a pound or two maximum in your AC system.

Somebody, may have been ASE, did a study on using HC blends in the AC
system, and found the risk to be negligible. In many people's opinion,
this was covered up by the refrigerant industry to save their business.
It is my understandin that in Europe use of HCs as refrigerants is
widespread now.

Should a catastrophic failure occur inside the passenger compartment,
somebody did some calculations that seem to say that even if the gases
found an ignition source, and were able to stay concentrated enough to
burn despite the fan, and ignited explosively rather than with a flame,
that the windows would blow out before any damage occured to the
occupants by the pressure. They seemed to think that the flame wouldn't
get far enough to cause a danger.

Sorry I can't point you to the information but I can't remember where I
found it. I am convinced that HCs as refrigerants are perfectly safe,
however. This is all purely academic because I understand there are
huge fines involved for this sort of thing. Another example of big
government at work.

BTW, I hear the price on R-134a is going way up this fall. Coincidence?

Birken
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:17:06 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

>I have a 428 which is made up of two different engines . It has a 391 FT
>block which has thicker cylinder walls and allows for the overbore for
>the 428 pistons with no problem . This block is the one ford sold as a
>replacement for a 428 back in the seventies . This block is still
>possible to find in old school buses and other old heavy equipment such
>as well drilling etc .
> Look for the mirror image of 105 on the left front of the block and
>that's all you need to see .

Whoa ... I'm not so sure on that ... Mark and I both have 390's from the
light duty trucks with the same backwards 105 on it, so you might want to
see what bore you're starting with. If I find out though that I can bore
my 360 out that far I'd be amazed (and be workign on a 428 of course :)

This is a stronger block around the main
>bearings so you can put it through some hard pulling . It can take it !
>You will still have to find the crank and rods for the 428 cubic inches .

The rods for an FE are only 2 lengths, so it shouldn't be too hard to find
the right length,they may already be in the stock form, meaning all you
have to find is the right crank.

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:42:06 -0700
From: sdelanty

sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

>> [Terry's turn signals stop flashing when brakes are on]
>> And I replied:
> >Probably a bad turn-signal switch (Steering column).
> >It contains switch circuits to isolate the turn/brake lights.
> >Or, maybe yours was replaced somewhere along the line, and
> >miswired?

Ahhh, the old turn signal problem...
My '71 F100 had this trouble when I first got it.

Check those bulb grounds first. If not, then possibly something is
screwed up in the turn signal switch. Or as Pat said, it may be
miswired.

The problem with mine turned out to be a bad T/S switch *and* someone
had done a creative rewire job to get the brake lights to work.
I got the wiring straightened out and fixed the switch. After about
3 months the switch crapped out again and rather than screw with it
more I added a 2-relay circuit to do the brake/turn light logic.
This way the turn signal switch only needs 2 single pole switches and
only 3-wires coming out of the switch instead of something like 7 wires
and a whole bunch of switch contacts to go bad. The relays do all the
switching and if one goes bad I can simply plug another one in for $6
instead of having to pull the steering wheel and screw around.

If anyone is curious about the relay setup, there should be a schematic here:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/turnsig2.gif

Maybe it will help folks understand how the single bulb type of
turn/brake light logic works and what's going on.
Or maybe it will only confuse...

Steve
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:45:23 EDT
From: KAKneeland

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - floor shifters for Early Broncos

I'm wanting to buy a floor shifter for my '71 Bronco with the standard 3 spd.
tranny. I've surfed around the net a ton and can't really find a lot. But I
also asked a few of my friends and it seems like B&M and James Duff both made
a
floor shifter for Early Broncos. Can anyone offer me some advice/experience
stories
with either of these? Or am I heading down a wrong path entirely? Thanks
tons. Opinions and guesses welcome.

Kory
KAKneeland

aol.com
'71 EB w/302

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:01:04 -0700
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains

cannandale

netpointe.com wrote:

> super swampers is the best tire i have ever ran, thats what im running now,
> 33x12.5 tsl radials. I got stuck b4, but never in the mud!

I just put 36" TSL's and a 4" lift on my truck a couple of weeks ago and they work
awesome in the mud. Deep, soft sand and 2wd don't work real well though. They dig
too good for that.

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Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:02:53 -0400
From: David Henderson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428s

A quick search of the web yielded this site where a '66 428 bare block for $500
and a '68 428 CJ listed as mostly complete is going for $1,500. This guy is
located in central Wisconsin and these prices are listed as not including
shipping. Wish I still had $1,500 lying around!!

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:44:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rubber boot around 4wd selector

At 02:15 PM 4/22/99 , you wrote:
>Does anyone know where I can get a replacement boot for the 4wd selector on a
>'79 F250?

Its much quieter with one installed too, my truck didn't have one when i
got it, I found one at 2&92 truck in IL, check the local salvage yards ....

also might try autokrafters ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:48:50 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - floor shifters for Early Broncos

>I'm wanting to buy a floor shifter for my '71 Bronco with the standard 3 spd.
>tranny. I've surfed around the net a ton and can't really find a lot. But I
>also asked a few of my friends and it seems like B&M and James Duff both made
>a

Dunno, saw this posted, I'll add what I know:

We have a 70 Ranchero with a 3spd and a Hurst shifter ... its a lot of fun,
and narrow throw, but be sure and get the kit that has the shift arms too,
the pattern is narrow, but the throw is almost a foot! This is just a
generic truck master or whatever they call it ... It works well, but since
the throw is so long its a pain in the butt, I'd like it with the shorter
arms, but you have to order like 75 dollars worth of stuff or pay a
25dollar charge ... so if you're ordering from a parts store, lemme know,
maybe someone will let me order just the shift arms ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:48:02 -0500
From: "commodore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - how odd are these rims?

I have a set of 1/2 ton 5 bolt pattern 16" yes I said 16" steel stock ford
rims. They were stock on my dads 72 Ranger. Have any of you seen these
before or are they something rare? This is the ony set I have ever seen and
thought I would post

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:45:54 -0400
From: "Rich Schneck"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value

My wife's grandfather who passed-on a few years back had a 1966 Ford F-250
4X4 Short Bed Step Side which has been garage kept. It has low mileage but I
don't recall the exact number. I seem to remember about 60K. This truck is
in great shape although not restored. I'd like to buy from them but I need
to know what it is worth. I've been told that Ford did not offer a 4X4
package in this year. It seems to me, to be a rare combination of features.
Anyone know?

Thanks,

Rich Schneck

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:04:31 -0400
From: jdklaers

magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?

Folks:

There is a switch of some kind fastened to the top of my steering column on
its base near where it enters the fire wall (inside the cab). I don't know
what it is but I think I've tracked it down to be the source of my
electrical problems. It has a sliding switch that goes from left to right.

Anyone know what it is?

John Klaers

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:36:40 -0400
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?

At 09:04 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Folks:
>
>There is a switch of some kind fastened to the top of my steering column on
>its base near where it enters the fire wall (inside the cab). I don't know
>what it is but I think I've tracked it down to be the source of my
>electrical problems. It has a sliding switch that goes from left to right.
>
>Anyone know what it is?
>
>John Klaers
>
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>"My Karma ran over my Dogma!"
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Doesn't sound factory, but maybe a panel dimmer switch?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:41:56 -0400
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas in the oil pan

At 08:00 PM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>My machinist told me that gas in the oil is not uncommon in older FE's. He
>told me that you need to change the fuel pump immedaitely. I would not run
>it until this is done and the oil is changed. If you don't, he said that
>it will wear our your bearings quick!
>
>Tim
>352 F100 SWB
>3-Speed Std w/OD and P/S
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I did not see the original post, but I do know that if your truck has been
sitting for a while, and the gas varnishes it can make the floats stick in
your carb. If they get stuck in the wrong position, gas can flow out of
the carb, into the intake, and into the cylinder, where it will work its
way past the rings and into the pan. Like I say I don't know what the
original post said, but if the truck has been sitting, may wanna clean the
carb....
Brad

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:55:14 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?

I'm certainly no Automatic transmission expert, but I think what your
talking about is a little safety switch (although I'm pretty sure it
performs other options) that is placed on the column to prevent you from
starting your truck while in any other gear but park. Just like how the
new stick shift trucks require you to push in the clutch before the starter
relay will engage. That's my guess! 8-)

Tony
tony

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>>There is a switch of some kind fastened to the top of my steering column on
>>its base near where it enters the fire wall (inside the cab). I don't know
>>what it is but I think I've tracked it down to be the source of my
>>electrical problems. It has a sliding switch that goes from left to right.
>>
>>Anyone know what it is?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:01:22 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value

At 08:45 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
>My wife's grandfather who passed-on a few years back had a 1966 Ford F-250
>4X4 Short Bed Step Side which has been garage kept. It has low mileage but I
>don't recall the exact number. I seem to remember about 60K. This truck is
>in great shape although not restored. I'd like to buy from them but I need
>to know what it is worth. I've been told that Ford did not offer a 4X4
>package in this year. It seems to me, to be a rare combination of features.
>Anyone know?

The fact it is a SWB F-250 is rare (only heard of one other from someone on
the list) but other than that, Ford offered factory 4x4's starting in 1959.
They did offer other 4x4's through the Marmon-Herrington conversion
company before that(1959), starting in the 1930's I think. Someone here
correct me if I am wrong on that. I am not too sure of engine offerings in
4x4's during that era. 240, 300 and 352 were it but 4x4's probably would
not have had all 3 as a choice then.

I know what the truck would be worth to me in *that* shape but I dare not
throw a number up to a hostile crowd.
It would be debated and chewed on for months, perhaps even years. Snatch
that rare rascal up and let us know about it. Sounds like a nice find and
BTW, when you get ready to sell it, call ME first! 8^)

Goos luck and I hope it helps.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:18:17 EDT
From: Bad4dFilly

aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FORD COWGIRL HERE!!

Howdy everybody! Some of ya may know me from the "Offroad" list, but for
those of ya that don't, allow me to introduce myself! *Tippin my Stetson* My
name is Lisa, I'm 16 I live in Southern California
and I drive a big bad FORD! LOL I bought my first vehicle last month....a
automatic '77 Ford F-150 Ranger 4x4, it's a standard cab short bed lifted 4"
and currently on 33" tires
on it soon, possibly 38"s> and it's Emerald green, so I named her "Envy" =)
I am unsure as to what size engine it has under the hood, I was under the
impression it was a 400ci bored .030....so I assumed that would make it a
403, but I have been told it would actually be a 408ci
stock, 4.00 bore X 4.00 stroke make 402.12ci> and that size engine bored .030
comes out to 408.17ci. I don't know if thats accurate, just what I've been
told. So as you can see, I have a big engine, but I'm not sure exactly HOW
big it is! LOL Anyways, I LOVE driving it, it's SO much fun! I haven't takin
it 4xing yet, but I hope to soon! I do have a pic of my truck if anyone would
like to see it. I wanna see everyone's truck also! Well, I guess that's about
all, nice to meet y'all and talk to y'all soon! Bye! =)

*~*~Lisa and Envy~*~*
*~*~Silly boys...trucks are for GIRLS!~*~*
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:26:19 -0700
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - take a look at this FE intake on ebay

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=92176611
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:16:36 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's this do-hickey?

>There is a switch of some kind fastened to the top of my steering
column on
>its base near where it enters the fire wall (inside the cab). I don't
know
>what it is but I think I've tracked it down to be the source of my
>electrical problems. It has a sliding switch that goes from left to
right.
>
>Anyone know what it is?
>
>John Klaers

It's the neutral switch. If it's out of adjustment the engine can start
in gear.

>-----------------------------
>"My Karma ran over my Dogma!"
>-----------------------------

I hate it when that happens!

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:29:55 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

i have seen several 390 blocks bored .080 over, and have never seen one have
a heating problem, and that down here in the dry hot south.

jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:37:02 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value

have seen two of those in georgia for sale, one was 1500.00, the other was
1950.00
the 1500.00 truck was in good condition, it only showed 70k on the odometer,
it caught me at a bad time. the 1950.00 one was in fair condition.

j grant
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:45:55 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:17:06 -0500 William S Hart
writes:
>Whoa ... I'm not so sure on that ... Mark and I both have 390's from
>the
>light duty trucks with the same backwards 105 on it, so you might want
>to
>see what bore you're starting with. If I find out though that I can
>bore
>my 360 out that far I'd be amazed (and be workign on a 428 of course
>:)

If you have the mirror image 105 on the block it is a heavy duty FT
block . The cylinder walls are thicker than the FE blocks . This block
can turn up in a light duty truck from the factory . Who knows how or why
, but it has happened . The replacement block for a 428 sold by Ford
after 1974 was the 391 FT block and it came bored to the 428 specs (read
it somewhere) . I don't know every detail on this , such as the exact
measurements . Maybe someone else has access to some books to check for
them and reaffirm or disclose that the cylinder wall is thicker on this
block . I hope I didn't send anyone on a wild goose chase . I just
happened to have this setup and it does work but I can hardly pass a gas
station without getting gas .

Rollie .

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:18:07 EDT
From: SHill48337

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

In a message dated 4/22/99 7:36:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
MiskaRL

louisville.stortek.com writes:

Where can I get some?

clip clip clip

It is called DURACOOL, and made in Edmonton, Canada (not propane, but
probably close). Costs $12 for a 6oz can that is equivalent to 17 oz of
F12.
>>
To make a long answer short try going to this very long internet address for
Fox Tool & Supply: (nashville.citysearch.com/E/V/NASTN/0003/71/03/3.ht) You
can get it here along with information.
Caution, it is legal to substitute Duracool directly for R134. But, not for
directly replacing R12, however you can convert the R12 to R134 and then to
Duracool. This way there is less chance you will vent the nasty R12 to the
atmosphere. The assumption here is that you will use a professional to
evacuate and dispose of the residual R12 while converting to R134. What can
I say, last night I was 100% convinced, I am still convinced technically.
However, unless you do this in the right order one could end up getting
wrapped up with the EPA. More loss of freedom.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:07:08 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428

".but unless you're going for the "I have a 428" awe inspiring phrase,"

You could just SAY you had a 428 if bragging up your truck puts lead in
your pencil.A 352,360,390,410&428 all look the same so nobody would be
the wiser.
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:33:40 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 66 4X4 Short Bed Value

Stu Varner wrote:

> At 08:45 PM 4/22/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >My wife's grandfather who passed-on a few years back had a 1966 Ford F-250....

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